One opinion - west jordan, UTPolice in Polk County Florida shot a
suspected cop killer 68 times. Later when the press asked Polk County Sheriff
Grady Judd why they shot him so many times he explained: “That’s all
the bullets we had or we would have shot him more”.After the
FBI was asked to review the case against the police they said “After
careful consideration, we concluded that the evidence does not establish a
prosecutable violation of the federal civil rights statutes. Accordingly, we
have closed our investigation.”True story that Snopes has
verified to be accurate.
The other suggestion is to deploy small drones that get in front of the car to
show allow live video feed. Employing technology is worth exploring to minimize
risk and get intelligence for stops like these.Many times they do do
a remarkable job but this isn't one of them. It's OK to acknowledge
deficiencies and areas to improve upon. And you can simulate the real
things-the armed services do this routinely. Additionally, you can use your
REAL experiences to learn from but if you say that is as good as it can get then
you won't improve.
Thank you to those officers who constantly put their lives on the line for us.
I can't imagine what it would be like to go through something like this.
They are trained well but training cannot simulate the real thing. Those of you
critical of the officers need to remember that. They do a remarkable job!
@ Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CA"Yes, it is so easy to criticize
the police, the President, Congress or anyone else whose "moccasins" we
have never walked in."Fun too.
I believe this was necessary but it could have been done more safely. I also
think every cop in every jurisdiction needs to have a body camera.We
are all judged on our work. If they cant face a little scrutiny and possibly
criticism then they need to get a job somewhere else.
Just because you point out some problem and criticize (read critique)
doesn't mean that you are being disrespectful.And no I don't
have to be an expert to offer suggestions or point out problems. I can promise
you that if you were in a war zone that those officers would be dead if they
don't improve their marksmanship in the heat of the battle. For both their
safety (Shoot to Kill) and the public's I would offer some suggestion:Get even more training on shooting when under pressure. If need be maybe they
could pair up with some military agency that already hones those skills. With as many cops that they had at the beginning on a KNOWN threat I would
follow a plan where you have 2 cops training their guns on the individual while
another cop is trying confront the individual. I'm assuming that weapons
were not drawn yet but hands were on their guns.When on a freeway by all
means shoot as many bullets if shooting to the side of the road if not
endangering anyone but if the car is speeding into traffic it has to be a rule
to stop. The potential of killing multiple innocent people does not out weigh
the desire to shoot the individual.
Thank you police for protecting and serving.
Yes, it is so easy to criticize the police, the President, Congress or anyone
else whose "moccasins" we have never walked in.😁
When i went through the police academy some years ago, the first thing they
taught us is to make sure you know where EVERY bullet lands. To those who
criticize the officers marksmanship. I doubt they have every been in a life
or death struggle with a fugitive.
Now that the video has been linked, I am more sympathetic to how little time the
officers had for the initial split-second reaction. And I do appreciate them
placing themselves in harm's way to protect the public from this dangerous
man. At the same time, it is no less disturbing that the officers continued
firing for a few seconds after he was no longer shooting and was already pulling
into traffic, making their firing angle extremely dangerous. The time-stamp is
6:35 (still rush-hour) on a weeknight on I-15 and the video clearly shows lots
of traffic going both directions. Their 72 bullets could have injured or even
killed many more innocent people than they did. And I am appalled by the
comments of the officer later in the video: "I emptied my gun, his windows
were shattering ... [inaudible] ... I want to be there SO BAD to kill that
[expletive]." I wonder what he said at 8:38-8:42 when the audio goes silent
just before he says "...aww my tape's rolling, I shouldn't say
that." Was that redacted by the Sheriff's Office, or was it just
silenced for language by Deseret News?
It is easy to understand that the police involved with this event felt
threatened and fearful for their own life. However, the police have a
responsibility to use their weapons in a manner that doesn't threaten the
public in general. Overreaction on the part of police officers have caused many
police agencies to call of car pursuits because too many innocent citizens were
being killed from reckless and, in many time, needless pursuits. Having two
citizen hit by random gun fire is either extremely unlikely or extremely
reckless. This situation deserves a full investigation by independent police
agencies to determine what actions can be taken, if any, to make certain that
public safety isn't compromised needlessly.
Every officer is given an enormous amount of training with firearms. Those
suggesting target practice have likely never had shots fired at them, nor had to
approach an armed subject intent on killing them. There is little to no time to
react and respond perfectly in every situation. This incident will
certainly be reviewed multiple ways. There will be multiple perspectives on how
to do it safer next time. No officer wants to injure an innocent bystander and
at the same time it is nearly impossible to predict what further threat to
police officers and innocent persons had this criminal been allowed to continue
into the city. Prayers for those injured. And prayers as well for the officers
who have to withstand the criticism of those who have no idea how difficult it
is to stop an active shooter. Thank you heroes.
Thanks for adding the video. For those criticizing the police. See
how well you shoot when someone is shooting at you. Just
It's really easy for people to slam the police and Monday morning
quarterback their actions. Have any of you ever put their life on the line to
protect the public? Have any of you ever faced a person who would kill you if
he gets the chance? I seriously doubt it. Anyone ever been in a combat
situation? I seriously doubt that, too. Before you judge the officers'
actions and the number of shots they fired, go through their training and then
put yourself in the same situation. Put your own life on the line and then
maybe you'll be qualified to judge.
Well handled by the police. Heroes.Thank you for protecting us.
Wow! I believe our police generally do a good job. How dangerous! Not only
for the police but also for the innocent bystanders/drivers adjacent to this
event. Hunters are always cautioned to look beyond the target to ensure that
nothing else is in the line of fire. Are the police also trained the same way?
It appears that such is not the case. I'm wondering if police followed
protocol since two others were hit by police bullets. Is there anything more
that should be investigated?
If innocent people were hit...and they were... the officers were acting in a
reckless and inappropriate way. They should be held accountable.
I love the story and full support of the police but it made me laugh, 75 shots
and only 3 not by police, and amazingly not a single cop or cop car was hit -
probably because 72 bullets came from their direction against 3 that came at
Great and Superb job by the local Police!We are all proud of the
awesome work you all do!!!
75 shots? Come on - do the patrolmen need more target practice? Innocent people
were hit by the patrolmen- not the criminal which indicates some kind of
training is certainly needed here. I'm glad the criminal was apprehended
and it was wise to close exits with police and all ended better than it could
have. 75 shots blows me away (and almost others around)
Yes, it sounds like they were justified in returning fire and had little other
choice since he fired first and they of course need to defend themselves. It is
very unfortunate that they shot an innocent person in the process. Perhaps
nothing could have been done in this instance, like taking more care in the
direction and angle they were firing to reduce the possibility of harming
innocent people on the highway and surrounding areas. However, it doesn't
surprise me at all because I have witnessed many times in which law enforcement
here completely disregarded the safety of innocent bystanders when the
possibility of gunfire was high, in pre-planned stings at a busy park near my
home. Once each suspect arrived, 10-20 officers swarmed into the park in
unmarked vehicles at dangerously high speed wearing bullet-proof vests and with
guns drawn and pointed at the suspect. On some of those occasions, the
officers' guns were pointed in the direction of the playground that was
only feet away, while small children and their mothers were present. Not to
mention the dangerous possibility of running over a child when flying blindly
into the parking lot at high speed next to a playground.
Opening line of the story reads: " More than 75 shots were exchanged, all
but three of them from police. Amazingly, not one officer or even a law
enforcement vehicle was hit."I guess I'm not so amazed that no
shots hit law enforcement of their vehicles since only three of the 75 shots
came from the suspect. What I am amazed at is that the suspect was able to drive
off after having 72 shots fired at him or the vehicle. However, an innocent
person 1600 feet away was hit in the shoulder and a Chevy Duramax was hit,
narrowly missing a four year old. Based on that information, I would say
officers badly need some target practice! The events described sound dangerous
and reckless. There were more "casualties" from innocent people in the
vicinity than from the perp. Sounds like there should be some very serious
review of police procedures. What a scary event for anyone in the vicinity.
With a title "Dramatic video shows..." wouldn't it make sense to
include the video?
I agree that law enforcement seems justified in their actions toward this man.
But I also hope they're reviewing how to limit the adjacent damage to the
other people.I might have misread the article but was there no
charge for discharging a firearm in Nephi? He should be charged with everything