President Monson an avid supporter of Boy Scout program, a 'builder of boys'

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  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 6:54 p.m.

    @illuminated:

    How does the BSA push homosexuality?

    I oppose the changes in BSA policies to allow openly homosexual persons to participate...but only because of what "openly homosexual" means to too many people.

    Do you think--would you want--LDS bishops made a habit of expelling from the Young Men's program or Scouting any and every young man who sought his counsel about feelings of same-sex attraction?

    Do you really think that none of the temple worthy "confirmed bachelors" called to serve as scoutmasters were actually homosexual, choosing to live chaste, virtuous lives? Would you want such valiant men to be overlooked as potential mentors for our youth?

    Again, I oppose the change in BSA policy because of what "open" means to too many.

    But, let us be very careful that we do not allow a proper position on matters of "public policy" to cross into antipathy or animus towards individuals who may be different than we are. The BSA may yet adopt policies that force the LDS church to part ways. But thus far, God's inspired prophet hasn't characterized the BSA as anywhere near the monster you describe.

    Stay in the mainstream of the church.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 6:47 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil:

    Very well put. While I thoroughly enjoyed scouting as an 8 to 15 year old and had some notion of the good it did, it has only been in adulthood that I've really come to understand the benefits it provides to youth, that it provided to me.

    Too many fail to understand that Scouting is not about camping or knots. Scouting is about instilling in boys universal virtues in a non-denominational setting. As an entity outside the LDS Church, Scouting has served as almost a kind of "second witness" to many boys about the universality of these virtues.

    Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. Doing a good turn daily. Being prepared. Doing one's duty to God and country, helping others, to keep oneself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.

    These are not merely LDS or Christian virtues, but the virtues of a civil society.

    Scouting instills them, along with teaching a few potentially useful outdoor skills and some essential skills in leadership and the willingness to do hard things and finish what one starts.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 4, 2018 12:23 p.m.

    "We can't support this program with our money and follow God's law at the same time."

    What an absurd concept....

    "A bitter fountain cannot bring forth good water...Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil"

    Here is the problem with this quote being used as broadly as it is. It portends that people are all one, or the other. But seeing how there was only one perfect who was on this earth, that leaves the rest of humanity on the other side. Find me one person, anywhere, that is all "good water"... that doesn't take to anger, has never spoken falsely of others, that truly cares for the poor and needy as we are all commended, and then I will grant you this statement.

    But until then, the reality is man, and what mankind creates are neither all good, neither are they all bad. If the bar is set that we can only associate ourselves with those things that are "all good", we will find we have little to associate with, inside or outside of the church.

    Makes for good pulpit pounding statements, but as we have seen discussed many times during conference, we are all imperfect, all a work in progress.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 4, 2018 9:43 a.m.

    It's too bad the church has lost a strong supporter of scouting. While as a youth I hated scouting, but with the benefit of age now, I see how it taught me to do the tough thing sometimes when just playing was the option. I am glad for the experiences I had as a scout, even though at the time I didn't understand the benefit... and didn't appreciate it.

    I hope the young mens organization quickly figures out positive things to do with the 14-18 year old boys, because the void left by the recent direction has been a disaster. Attendance on Wednesday nights both in TX and NC is down - and what non-members we did have attending, no longer come. Please fix this soon.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 4, 2018 6:33 a.m.

    The Boy Scouts openly pushes homosexuality and gender fluidity in its program which directly contradicts "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" which is LDS Scripture (D&C 68:4), the Word of God (D&C 1:38), and signed by President Monson himself.

    Moroni 7:11-12
    "A bitter fountain cannot bring forth good water...Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil"

    Alma 7:20
    God "cannot walk in crooked paths; neither doth he vary from that which he hath said; neither hath he a shadow of turning from the right to the left, or from that which is right to that which is wrong; therefore, his course is one eternal round."

    We can't support this program with our money and follow God's law at the same time.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 4:28 a.m.

    And he was right on target. emb

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Jan. 4, 2018 2:34 a.m.

    Rest in peace, President Monson.

    I am somewhat confused by this article. President Monson clearly was a dedicated scouter for most if his life. If his affinity for the scouting program continued to his death, then why did the LDS Church back away from the BSA on his watch? If he "lost faith" in the scouting program, then why are we eulogizing his scouting history today?

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 10:38 p.m.

    President Monson knew what most of the Utah Faithful denied, Scouting takes boys and mentors them into upstanding men if applied properly...God Speed...