Why 'Dreamers' hope help for them won't hurt other immigrants

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  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 23, 2018 9:55 a.m.

    @Misty
    You wrote: "It's the laws themselves that are hateful and compassion-lacking. Such as the law which provides zero legal immigration slots for 99% of the Mexican population."

    I'm afraid the facts don't bear up your assertion.

    Little old Mexico, with 125 million of the world's 7.4 billion people has for decades been given 13% of all the green cards issued, mostly to family members. How is that hateful and lacking in compassion?

    And these are NOT Mexico's "best and brightest." Mexico's elites stay in Mexico. They've got it good, with maids and chauffeurs and landscapers. Mexico has no middle class. So the poor and needy are coming here from places like Michoacan, Zacatecas and Jalisco...rural states.

    This isn't a brain drain scheme by the USA.

    And if 99% of Mexicans aren't able to be part of this migration, why is it that 1 in 10 Mexicans live in the United States?

    THAT'S the data.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 8, 2018 3:18 p.m.

    @USA Lover writes,

    "What is it about keeping the laws of our nation that is so hateful and lacking in compassion?"

    It's the laws themselves that are hateful and compassion-lacking. Such as the law which provides zero legal immigration slots for 99% of the Mexican population.

    Or laws which enabled the new Republican governor to cut off the Kentucky Medicaid expansion, overnight depriving tens of thousands of lower income Kentuckians of medical insurance.

    Or Bowers v Hardwick.

    Or the "health and safety" laws which affected only abortion clinics, despite their zero complication rate (which was 1/32nd that of colonoscopy clinics, which were not affected).

    Or Amendment 3.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Jan. 8, 2018 12:27 p.m.

    Run a front page graphic, proclaiming massive support for illegal children. When you examine the details of the poll, something anyone could have done on the internet in 15 minutes, you discover that 40 percent of those polled were in Los Angeles, and 20 percent were in NYC. Don’t want to call it fake news, but what do you call it when the front page prints misleading news, maybe trying to sway local public opinion? For fun I called 7 Friends this morning, none of us have ever been contacted for any poll on anything. Hey DN, why don’t you conduct your own poll?

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 8, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    @Vanceone wrote,

    "The Washington Post just wrote an article bemoaning the fact that a Dreamer with his second felony DUI might get deported... after running over someone, in fact."

    Interesting claim, but a search finds no such "fact". Can you give us some details?

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 8, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    @Love London wrote,

    "Recently at work we had an employee that is German become an American citizen along with his family. As soon as they got their citizenship they immediately returned to Germany. Some day he will draw Social Security from the U.S. and a pension from Germany.

    Given that he worked here for five years, at least, and paid into Social Security for that time, yes, he is entitled to collect when he turns 62. But all those years between age 18 and 62 --except the five or so that he was here--are going to have zeroes in them for the amount of income earned. His social security check is going to be tiny, because it's going to be based on his salary for those five years--multiplied by .12, the percentage of the time he worked under SS.

    If you have a problem with that, then the fair thing to do would be to petition your congressman to file a bill which would bar naturalized citizens from receiving social security at all, and then refund them for the dollar amount of SS taxes that they had withheld. While you're at it, refund all the SS taxes paid by all illegal immigrants, who, at this point, are not eligible to collect ever.

    Fair's fair, right?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2018 11:04 a.m.

    Perhaps "Dreamers" with clear records and proven accomplishments should be allowed head of the line privileges for legal immigration.

    They are in a bad situation not because evil Americans hate them, but because their parents were criminals who broke out laws coming here. Blame the parents, not the U.S. laws or citizens.

    Any form of amnesty (by any name) without prior enforcement of our immigration laws and securing the border is totally unacceptable. See Simpson-Missoli, 1986 for the reason this must be the only way a deal can be accepted. Amnesty without enforcement only redoubles the flow of illegal immigrants.

    Mr. Castro is a good man in a difficult situation, but preservation of the rule of law is much more important for the safety and security of all Americans, both native born and immigrants.

    Shame on those who encourage illegal activities and then seek to retroactively make them legal.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Jan. 8, 2018 10:42 a.m.

    Where are all the comments from the cadre of leftist DN brain trusts? Sarcasm off.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    What is it about LEGAL immigration that is so hard to understand and enforce?

    What is it about keeping the laws of our nation that is so hateful and lacking in compassion?

    Please, somebody give me the first rational explanation as to why we've created an entire generation of immigrants who feel our nation's laws are not to be respected?

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 7:03 p.m.

    So-called "Dreamers" are victims of a crime committed by their parents. Crime has consequences, and while it is sad, it is not the law that breaks up families, but the decision of people to break the law and come to the U.S. illegally, and the decision of others to stay here instead of returning to their home country.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 6:00 p.m.

    If you want to deter future efforts to come here illegally, DACA is NOT the answer.

    We know that because the 2012 DACA plan created an influx of children from Central America at the border, Estimates are 120,000 a year.

    I've got a bad feeling about this.

  • LoveLondon Murray, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 4:50 p.m.

    It's time for comprehensive immigration reform. I would be okay with granting "Dreamers" amnesty if we could pass other legislation that would help prevent illegal immigration in the future.

    The following laws/policies need to be passed now:
    1. E-verify of potential employees by all companies.
    2. No more chain migration.
    3. No more lottery system for handing out work visas.
    4. No more birth citizenship. Unless at least one of your parents is an American citizen you should not get American citizenship.
    5. No more dual citizenship. If you are going to become an American citizen I only want people coming here that will be 100% committed to the United States. Recently at work we had an employee that is German become an American citizen along with his family. As soon as they got their citizenship they immediately returned to Germany. Some day he will draw Social Security from the U.S. and a pension from Germany. There are too many people coming to this country that could care less about the U.S. All they care about is their economic benefit.

    If Congress can come up with a bill that includes everything I mentioned above then I would be okay with granting amnesty to "Dreamers."

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 3:10 p.m.

    Past immigration reforms promised America the wall, e-verify and interior enforcement (1987 reform and amnesty). The 1996 immigration reform promised us a visa entry/exit system.

    Until these promises made in the past are kept, we should not be talking about DACA. Most are adults (PEW puts the number over 21 years old at 70%) and are now responsible for their own illegal status.

    America's laws are based on equal justice, it's wrong to give one group of people rights, and deny the rest. After seven amnesties we should never reward anyone again for breaking our laws, it just creates more law breaking.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    Jan. 4, 2018 12:35 p.m.

    If a man robs a bank and gives the money to his children to "help" them, should the children be allowed to.keep the money? Should the man be free from prosecution because he was " helping" his children? Should he be left free because it would separate the family if he was in prison? If one person robs a bank to "help" his children and is not punished, would that not encourage many others to rob banks to "help" their children also?
    That is exactly what amnesty is. The illegals rob us and by not enforcing our laws, or by giving amnesty, it encourages others to do the same.
    What message does this send the world? What about those that have gone through the proper channels to become US citizens? It says "Your efforts were in vain, you should have just jumped the border dummies!"
    Why have ANY laws in the first place if we pick and choose which to uphold and which to ignore?

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 12:11 p.m.

    Amazing how this article is nothing more than blatant propaganda. Not a word about Dreamers and illegal's, well, illegal activity. The Washington Post just wrote an article bemoaning the fact that a Dreamer with his second felony DUI might get deported... after running over someone, in fact.

    Let's face it: illegals have more rights than Americans. Illegals in Democrat jurisdictions do not fear the law, because the left will not enforce the law. Illegals can commit crimes with impunity.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    Once again the DN tries to put a "happy face" on an illegal activity.

    First off, this guy is VERY atypical of the "dreamers". Almost all the ones I come in contact with are barely getting by in school, and the only reason they stay in school is so they won't be deported. Besides that point, what's wrong with him returning to his country of origin to pursue a career? - he'll most likely do great, right??

    Most all of them require some sort of government assistance, which they have come to expect WILL be delivered.

    This "dreamer" should go ask his parents WHY they put him in jeopardy by trespassing into this country.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 8:10 a.m.

    Don't you just love the open borders parsing of the narrative.

    The one advocate said she didn't want to create the good immigrant-bad immigrant problem here.

    Well, they already have. They have taken the word "immigrant" and thrown illegal alien in the mix. They want us to treat them the same. But they aren't.

    No other nation in the world has been so generous with our immigration policy, but that wan't enough for some people. They had to trespass into the USA or overstay a temporary visa.

    And the open border folks claim it is unchristian to enforce our laws.

    The tragedy here is that people like Castro can get an audience with the politicians to hear his plight. He can even get an in-depth article about his problem. But I can even get my elected representative to take my phone call.