BYU OC Jeff Grimes expounds on QB leadership, arm strength

Great quarterbacks lead in their own way, but need not have a cannon for an arm

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  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 4, 2018 5:04 a.m.

    "It might help ute fans if they read and commented on their own articles, like the one discussing how the pac is irrelevant, no comments."

    london josh-er:

    Let's dive a little deeper into that suggestion. As that 'article' had been published only minutes before your comment, you were one of the first to read it. 80% of the 50+ comments there now are from coog fans.

    It might help if coog fans took their own advice.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Jan. 3, 2018 10:43 p.m.

    For most of us, we could care less about all of this talk. Show us on the field. Otherwise, this is again smoke and mirrors of a once great program. Until we see results on the field, let's keep the talk to a minimum.

  • DETERMINISM UTAH, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 10:09 p.m.

    @burning blue
    I didn’t say anything about using the honor code as a battering ram to get kids removed from school when they break it. There is no evidence that Lavell’s players that broke the honor code and were suspended learned from it and weren’t disciplined again. The team clearly lacked discipline on and off the field and when the football team and other athletic teams fail to be a missionary tool for the church, and riddle the school with embarrassment and scandal, it’s harder to justify the large salaries, special treatment, and resources to perpetuate the programs. The players I’m referring to are return missionaries and the lack of accountability didn’t do them any favors.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 2:59 p.m.

    @Jello is Good

    We'll see. I'm confident that the coaching staff knows more about QBs than those of us who coach from our couches. The best players will play. If that's Mangum, great. If not, I wish him the best.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 3, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    @burningblue - Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 1:09 p.m.

    "Mangum did it pretty well as a freshman. The only difference is the OC he had then and the one he had the last two years. I'm willing to bet that he will succeed much better in whatever system comes from this coaching staff."

    Oh you forgot to mention the team was completely different two years later and the completion wasn't as stout. Mangum is done. Heplayed poorly in every game against P5 competition...and if you take out 3 or 4 scramble hail Mary's to talented receivers pulling in the ducks, it would have been worse.

    Grimes is looking for a dynamic leader in his QB. (Haven't you been reading the articles?) Mangum is not ever going to be that.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Jan. 3, 2018 1:32 p.m.

    "I find it very interesting that the DN would be so lacking in Sports news that it would dedicate an entire SERIES of articles not to a new head coach, but to an assistant and OC at BYU. It just looks like they are so desperate for some relevance that they will grasp at anything."

    For BYU football, yeah, nothing to do but explain how things will be better.

    What's funny is grasping for relevance, Gary Anderson is big news, it got 51 comments on it, the Jeff Grimes staff assembly part 1 got 113 comments on it.

    I don't see hits per story, I just see comments, but the DN sees hits in each page and seems to corroborate with comment totals.

    It might help ute fans if they read and commented on their own articles, like the one discussing how the pac is irrelevant, no comments.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 3, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad - Richland, WA
    Jan. 3, 2018 8:42 a.m.

    "Deanvrtc - Vancouver, WA

    “....he plays scared. You can see it in his eyes.”

    He didn’t use to. What happened?"

    He always did. Time to move on.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 3, 2018 1:23 p.m.

    @at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 3, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    "This guy talks too much. He ought to wait until he has done anything before pontificating."

    Good advice. You should follow it.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 1:09 p.m.

    @Deanvrtc

    Mangum did it pretty well as a freshman. The only difference is the OC he had then and the one he had the last two years. I'm willing to bet that he will succeed much better in whatever system comes from this coaching staff.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 1:07 p.m.

    @DETERMINISM

    I don't really care about his plans to help players follow the honor code. LaVell had a lot of players who were suspended for one honor code violation or another, but most of them learned from it and didn't get suspended again. The honor code is supposed to be an ideal that students strive to live up to that makes them better. Not a battering ram to shove everyone out of BYU who fails to meet it. There are many players who need BYU even more than BYU needs them and we shouldn't be offended if a few of them fail to meet that standard.

    Mistakes are an important part of the learning process.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 12:29 p.m.

    BC: "You and many, many other Utah fans have been singing the praises of every OC Whittingham has named for years, even though he ends up replacing or "reassigning" them practically every year."

    Or sending them to BYU-P. Enjoy ARod.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 3, 2018 11:03 a.m.

    truthwillprevail

    "I find it very interesting that the DN would be so lacking in Sports news that it would dedicate an entire SERIES of articles not to a new head coach, but to an assistant and OC at BYU."

    I find it interesting the Utah fans are so starved for attention that they whine about every BYU article.

    BYU had one of the worst offenses in the country last season, so, of course, BYU fans are going to be extremely interested in what BYU is doing to fix the problem.

    Sorry, if that bumps Utah's amazing bowl win over another mediocre 7-6 bowl opponent to yesterday's news, but that's the way it is.

    You'll have content yourself with a rehash of the exciting details of Anderson's circuitous return to Utah.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 10:52 a.m.

    at long last. . .

    "Maybe you could share with the readers some of those pontificating comments about Utah's OC that you say I am always making."

    Don't kid yourself.

    You and many, many other Utah fans have been singing the praises of every OC Whittingham has named for years, even though he ends up replacing or "reassigning" them practically every year.

    As a refresher, simply review Utah fan comments after every OC hiring.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 3, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    B.C- "Constantly pontificating"? Maybe you could share with the readers some of those pontificating comments about Utah's OC that you say I am always making. I just think you are a little thin-skinned about my comment regarding the new, untried and untested first-time OC for the TDS. For credibility one needs to perform prior to talking a lot. . .

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    before unloading on Grimes, just remember how an unknown defensive coach named Lavell Edwards worked out. Same with Wittingham

  • truthwillprevail Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    I find it very interesting that the DN would be so lacking in Sports news that it would dedicate an entire SERIES of articles not to a new head coach, but to an assistant and OC at BYU. It just looks like they are so desperate for some relevance that they will grasp at anything. I do hope, for BYU's sake, that he's a success, but come on. He's going to have to work with what he's got, and that ain't much. Judging from the way Detmer was treated, this guy might only be coaching Cougars for a year or two. Then what?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 3, 2018 8:42 a.m.

    Deanvrtc - Vancouver, WA

    “....he plays scared. You can see it in his eyes.”

    He didn’t use to. What happened?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 3, 2018 7:58 a.m.

    I love the experience and leadership already being exhibited by Grimes.

    He knows exactly the qualities he wants in his starting QB and won't settle for anything less just because a certain QB is "next in line".

  • B C Park City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 7:54 a.m.

    at long last. . .

    "This guy talks too much. He ought to wait until he has done anything before pontificating."

    Says a fan who is constantly pontificating about Utah's latest and greatness OC.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 3, 2018 7:49 a.m.

    Deanvrtc

    "So BYU has no QBs in the barn that can do this stuff?"

    And you know this how?

    Have you personally observed each of the QBs in the barn and carefully evaluated their strengths and weaknesses?

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 3, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    This guy talks too much. He ought to wait until he has done anything before pontificating.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2018 6:37 a.m.

    And next, new offensive coordinator, Jeff Grimes, will expound on the importance of a QB having good vision and the ability to distinguish the offense from the defense...

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Jan. 2, 2018 10:07 p.m.

    So BYU has no QBs in the barn that can do this stuff? The performances last year were a disaster...especially Mangum. That leaves hopeful freshman newcomers or a JC transfer. Sad we are even in this position. We can hope for a JC player who will compete. Mangum is not the answer....he plays scared. You can see it in his eyes.

  • DETERMINISM UTAH, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 8:18 p.m.

    Would love to see an article profile how Grimes and company are going to hold the players accountable to the standards of the church and the honor code. Would love to hear an emphasis on attending class, following team and school rules and a commitment to be disciplined on and off the field. I do t expect the new staff to take the worst season in 50 years and turn it into a bowl appearance but I would like them to clean up th behavior on and off the field. A value and commitment that seems to be fleeting.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 7:58 p.m.

    Anyone heard any rumors as to who will be BYU's 10th assistant FB coach? Utah has just hired Gary Anderson as their 10th coach, which they say will become effective on Jan 9. The 9th is apparently is the magic day.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 7:30 p.m.

    So grateful this is the last in this series of articles.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 4:10 p.m.

    Mike Leach “I’ve seen guys improve, but they don’t all of a sudden become accurate.”
    Of the 5 quarterbacks pictured, who is the most accurate?
    Mangum was 57%. What is the baseline for an "accurate" designation?

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 2, 2018 4:02 p.m.

    Well having spent 18 years coaching just offensive linemen, does new OC Grimes have any experience to back up his theories about QB's leadership and arm strength? Maybe Sitake's little younger cousin who coached at Weber State knows more about this. But coaches who have actual experience are usually the norm and are automatically trusted. Like Gary Anderson being hired at Utah, this is a hire that comes with experience and a knowledge base.