Trump, Hatch gush over each other in tax bill celebration

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  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    Dec. 22, 2017 1:30 p.m.

    I joined the Church many years ago at the age of 15. Church leaders always reminded us how important it is to stay in the right company. I am certain they would not have included self-confessing sexual predators such as Trump as the right company to be with. I certainly took their advice seriously. I wish LDS politicians would apply the same advice to their lives.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2017 1:32 a.m.

    If there is any more gushing over each other I am literally going to be sicker than if I had a bad case of the flu. They will both come out smelling like a rose financially. No wonder they are gushing.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Dec. 22, 2017 12:05 a.m.

    Tax money has been stolen from Americans and mismanaged. A massive debt has been created and a war on poverty hasn't yielded any positive results.

    Our current leaders are taking steps to correct this. Finally!

    Crazy! But some low information people are upset.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Dec. 21, 2017 7:42 p.m.

    Nausea!

    Never see any real man suck-up and mush over like the GOP on Trump.

    (Roll my eye and hold my mouth!)

  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 2:16 p.m.

    ''God loves this country''. AMerica is the base to lead the world. Utah carries the heaviest burden for that.

  • cool47 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    Hatches and others display of 'sycophany' caused internal organ damage and spiked blood pressure.

    I am going to have to take a holiday from watching this stuff.

  • GreyWolf ,
    Dec. 21, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    To Shaun,

    If government expenditures were at maximum efficiency, measured as simply as possible by comparing the intended and actual results of said spending, then it could be argued that the problem was one of revenues. Since government spending has not achieved peak efficiency, or even come close, the problem is due to spending.

    You are also incorrect in laying this solely at the feet of Republicans, as Democrats have also played a significant role in growing the deficit and debt, including the period under Obama where there were no tax cuts to contribute to a steady deficit.

  • Carl Behle Ocean Shors, WA
    Dec. 21, 2017 1:15 p.m.

    I was raised in Utah and I realize it is a Red state, but now even Sen. Hatch is becoming a embarrassment. Time to step down.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 12:52 p.m.

    Hatch and the Donald have both made a career of saying what people want to hear in total disregard of reality, facts or truth.

  • Born in Bountiful Provo, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    1trillion 500 billion shams upon your head Senator. You have set back several generations in their attempt to ever see this country get out of debt. Please retire, you have run out of useful ideas.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2017 12:19 p.m.

    byufootballrocks,

    Could you share what companies are bringing jobs back based on this tax cut? Remember you said bring back. Until we lower labor costs to third world level there are no jobs coming back. Carrier remember them, the big photo op early in the January is still moving most of their jobs to Mexico, and using the tax savings to automate and eliminate more jobs. Again please share all the companies bringing back jobs and how many. I hope you are right but I haven't seen what you are talking about. Here is what I am reading, companies will pay down debt, buyback stock and increase dividends. I can't find a single major company planning to increase wages or add jobs. Show me what I am missing.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    Jer-Bear: "RE: "It is our goal to make this President a one term President"

    "In complete disagreement!

    GO TRUMP !!!"

    You are aware that this was a quote of Sen. McConnel’s regarding President Obama aren’t you?

    There’s a reason that Trump ”loves the poorly educated.”

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    I would rather pay 50% of my income if I could have 100% medicals, a four week paid vacation every year and a zero national debt. That is what is happening in Scandanavia !!

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:38 a.m.

    All poker hands have a "tell". This is a sign that is readily discovered by an astute player. The tell in this Tax Cut Scam is the "permanent vs temporay " aspect. Forget the new rates and forget who gets the breaks and concentrate on this "tell". In 2018 we must simply switch the "tell" by making all tax cuts permanent for the poor and the middle class and make all tax cuts temporary for all corporations that do not reinvest their Christmas Gift of 2017 into job producing projects and who do not give higher wages to those already in the workforce. this simple move will really generate new jobs, new investments and make the Tax Cut revenue neutral. This advice is my Christmes present to America. I sound like Trump don't I?

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:16 a.m.

    Dim Dim wrote "Their attitude is that no matter what the POTUS does, it's wrong or bad for America."
    Have you listened to Donald Trump lately? He is still blaming Clinton (who has never been President) and Obama. He can't stop . Donald Trump is an _____________ unto this Country. Hatch is going loco in his effusive praise of this mad man in office. It doesn't matter to me if Donald Trump turns water into wine, he is still a ________and has bragged about his sexual exploits on live television more than once. If the peolpe in Utah don't want the torments of polygamy to be resurrected then they had better cool it in their love affair for this ______. You fill in the blanks.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:16 a.m.

    Sorry Utahns, but after reading your Senator's remarks about trump, I needed to take a bath.

    I know that Senator Hatch fought mightily to get his Tax bill in front of the president. He deserves all credit (and blame as well when it comes to that). But I also know that this tax bill benefits go primarily (dollar wise) to the already wealthy and to corporate America. Barely a fig leaf to cover up the gross mistreatment of the middle class and the underclass.

    The Hatch/trump Tax Give-away is known already to be bad for most Americans. We don't get much in immediate benefits, and what little benefits we accrue will expire. And that is the parts we know about. The American public still knows little of what is actually in that bill. How any trump supporters or Hatch friends see it any differently is a mystery.

    And how gross is it to see the self-congratulatory back slapping for such activity. Has the GOIP no shame?

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    Senator Hatch, you richly deserve to be one of Utah's Senators for the next 8 years. With President Trump at the helm, we can anticipate the most positive and consequential presidency in history and you sir, should be there...not Romney! I consider Romney another Flake on steroids. Romney's hateful venom against Trump is sickening.

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:09 a.m.

    @silo:

    I did NOT state that Apple paid a 35% rate - I stated that Apple placed plants overseas partly to avoid high US corporate tax rates - they have already admitted as much. I stand by that.

    Also,
    "False again."
    (The mention that there is irony in the fact that more tax dollars will now be collected by the government from corporate taxes here in the US.)

    No, you are dead wrong. That is the truth. When rates are lowered, tax receipts typically go up. You cannot make the claim that they will not until another two years or so pass, as the economy continues to grow.

    "Businesses are moving jobs offshore primarily due to labor costs, not taxes. Tax reform does nothing to alter this trend."

    Oh yeah, then why did innumerable numbers of corporations demonstrate for years that this was in fact the case?

    And now that these lower rates will be put in place they are already working to bring more plants home?

    Facts are stubborn things.

  • Deseret Blue ,
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    "All I can say is God loves this country. We all know it. We wouldn't be where we are without him," Hatch said.
    I am afraid that Hatch and Trump abuse the name of God when they use it for their own political purposes. Invoking His name for the tax bill's assault on working and middle-class people is wrong and won't sit well with voters in 2018.

  • peabody Steamboat Springs, CO
    Dec. 21, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    What a pair to draw to ! Sickening

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Dec. 21, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    Isn't it refreshing and wonderful to not have barrack hussein obama around..

    Globalism is another word for communism. Open borders destroys nations, culture and tradition. Illegal aliens are just that, illegal. Forced healthcare by taxation and fines is communism. Higher taxes and more entitlements strategically bankrupt a country. The USA is a Christian nation, period.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 10:39 a.m.

    I'm so tired of the toxic attitudes of those whose party lost the presidency.

    Their attitude is that no matter what the POTUS does, it's wrong or bad for America.

    Please, stop complaining. Start contributing to this county, other than your toxic words!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    "Please tell us how the Russians "penetrated our voting system"! Was it some kind of mass mind control? Trick ballots? What?"

    Uh, haven't you heard of the Russian use of social media to transmit millions of bits of Real Genuine Fake News? Fakery that was picked up and retweeted by people who were gullible enough to fall for it. Fakery that was repeated by Fox News, Breitbart, and other "conservative" propaganda distributors?

    Unfortunately, there are still people out there who continue to fall for the Russian fakery.

    Watch the PBS broadcast of Frontline's two part account of "Putin's Revenge."

    Putin is sitting back in the Kremlin chuckling because he succeeded in fooling enough Americans to elect trump.

    Pathetic.

    But even more pathetic is the fact that so many are still allowing him to fool them.

    Make America Sane (and Safe) Again

  • DavidMiller Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    Not that I'm sold on this tax reform package but I'd like to congratulate Senator Hatch on getting it passed and remind him (because he is far less likely than any of his constituents to remember) that he started the 2012 election promising that this would be his last term and when he began to walk that assurance back early in his seventh term he did so by saying that he would only run again IF he were in the middle of getting tax reform done.

    He's got his tax reform now so if he decides to run again he can't make any pretense that doing so is anything less than a complete reversal of everything he promised his constituents.

    Also, I echo every word that @David - Centerville said.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    Nauseating.

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Looking at the Tax Bill (available online) I see that Hatch as the highest paid Congressman will receive the highest % of the Congressional tax breaks, but Trump as President falls into the bracket that will receive the highest % tax break of all tax payers at 4.6%, which is $23,000 (Trump's Deutsche Bank & business funds not included). Hatch did say over and over that the Tax Bill was his "baby" as the Chairman of the Senate Tax Committee. And to think Hatch got all emotional with Sherrod Brown claiming he grew up "poor", then later said he was "lower middle class". (the video of the meeting and clash also available online) The truth of the Tax Bill is that the working poor are fighting to receive $1000's whereas the 1% are receiving $billions off of the labor of the working poor. There will be no "trickle down" economics as businesses only buy stock in their own company with the returns. And Puerto Rico is no longer apart of the U.S. considered "foreign" in the Tax Bill - that's just wrong.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 21, 2017 8:00 a.m.

    @ mad hatter: "Only if the Russians improve in their penetration of our voting system."

    Please tell us how the Russians "penetrated our voting system"! Was it some kind of mass mind control? Trick ballots? What? Even Mueller and his band of heavily biased "investigators" can't figure it out either! No evidence but darn it, how else could a Democrat lose to a man like Trump? Dang it!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 7:31 a.m.

    What were the whiners saying when Obama had his worthless stimulus package, and doubled the national debt?
    Well, I'm not sure who you call 'the whiners', but I imagine the more well grounded among us responded to President Obama's efforts to turn the economy around, which did happen, were pragmatic, and stuck in reality. It didn't double the national debt.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 1:23 a.m.

    Sen. Hatch added a provision to the rewrite of the tax bill that will profit a few Senators, including himself. When will Utah voters realize that Hatch has made enough in Washington and stop sending him back for more.

    Hatch has been in Washington a very long time. I would like to see evidence of attempts that he has made over the years to change things in Washington. If he has not tried to correct the problem, he is part of the problem. Don't get fooled again.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 12:55 a.m.

    @byufootballrocks
    "Apple Computers, for one, has many plants overseas because of the high corporate tax rate here"

    You were asked to cite a single corporation that actually pays the 35% statutory corporate tax rate. You cited Apple. You were wrong.

    In 2016, Apple paid $15 billion in corporate taxes on $59 billion operating income, or ~25% effective tax rate. Far less than the 35% you claimed, and slightly above the average for developed countries.

    "business infrastructure overseas as a result - are too numerous to cite in this space. Simple research on the web reveals this."

    Businesses are moving jobs offshore primarily due to labor costs, not taxes. Tax reform does nothing to alter this trend.

    "The irony is more tax dollars will now be collected by the government from corporate taxes here in the US"

    False again. Statutory rate is currently 35%, but corporations only pay a 24% average effective rate after loopholes. Now that the Statutory rate has been dropped, they'll pay far less effective rate because the loopholes still exist. This tax plan does nothing but put more money into corporation's offshore tax shelters and balloon the federal debt.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Dec. 21, 2017 12:52 a.m.

    What were the whiners saying when Obama had his worthless stimulus package, and doubled the national debt?

    Why did we lose the war on poverty and give billions of dollars to North Korea?

    For once, we have a president doing the right stuff.

    Having Americans keeping more of their hard earned money.

    For those protesting Trump, feel free to pay more taxes. The IRS will love it.

  • edgeoftheabyss OC, CA
    Dec. 21, 2017 12:02 a.m.

    Re: There You Go Again, Dave T in Ogden, kmike
    What are you talking about regarding health insurance? The damage was done 8 years ago with the passage of Obamacare. My family had a terrific PPO costing $700/month. With Obamacare, our monthly premium rapidly rose to $1100 and then to $1500 and finally to $2500/month at which point we capitulated into an Obamacare Bronze Plan for $1100. In return, we gave up our doctors and were saddled with a $10,000 deductible only to see our monthly premium rise to $1900 in the following year. A month ago, we received a curt notice informing us that our Obamacare carrier is pulling out of the California market effective this month. With health care, foreign policy, race relations, weaponizing the IRS, and a host of other issues, no modern president has done more damage to the republic than Obama.
    Three cheers to Trump and conservatives for turning back the tide of socialism. Removing the individual mandate is only the beginning. They must vanquish the remnants of Obamacare and unleash the market forces that will offer true choice and value. Conservative governance at home and resolute strength abroad. MAGA.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 11:30 p.m.

    Senators Hatch, Graham and Corker have all been gushing with compliments to the President recently as if they want some appointed position. Even VP Pence praised the President today 10 times in two minutes at the Tax Bill pat-on-the-back party. There were so much flattery I was almost galled.

    The Continuing Resolution will have to be modified now that Corporations won't be paying enough taxes and individuals will have to make up the difference.

    Then Medicaid and Medicare will stop because of the increase for National Defense. The Infrastructure Bill will require Social Security payments to be stopped because $180M wasn't enough for the 15 miles of Amtrak high speed rail to be safe and also pay for the speed controls for the high-speed trains.

    Trump Towers don't have enough gold accoutrements in them for his tax benefitted friends and foreign dignitaries to be impressed.

  • kmike las vegas, NV
    Dec. 20, 2017 11:16 p.m.

    Sen Hatch, you are endorsing Mr Trump Why.

    Have you lost touch with reality of what just happened.

    When people in Red States start to lose their Insurance, have their Medicare and Medicate cut or worse yet Vouchers. They are going to revolt in Record Numbers.

    It is time for Utah to look to the Party that protects the worker, that reduces the deficeit, and wants Universal Health care.

    Utah needs to go Blue

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 11:08 p.m.

    The elected GOP U.S. Representatives and Senators throughout the nation have sat back for 7-years fighting everything that President Obama attempted to do from Bills, Acts and even Supreme Court Appointees. They kept on stating they were waiting for a Republican President. They wanted a Republican President at any cost. All these GOP Representatives and Senators made no criticism of the DJT candidate as he ridiculed the GOP processes and procedures then he attacked everyone of the 15 candidates, their spouses and even former Presidents and First Ladies.

    The GOP lost dignity and respect. Seniority and committee appointments has met an end disappointment.

    Senator Hatch has always wanted a Supreme Court seat. The Mr Petersen appointment to the DC Circuit is a blemish for Utah and Utah Valley.

  • Dave T in Ogden Ogden, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 11:06 p.m.

    Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted, yet millions of poor children will be mourning when they lose their health insurance as part of this Trumps/Hatch's tax cuts for the rich. Blessed are the peacemakers...Yet Hatch does not reach across the isle to Democrats or the rest of Americans to debate this important tax legislation. Why are our Troops risking their lives to support our freedoms (HAH) so the rich can have their way with government? Hatch decides to go on Fox News regularly, when that news organization would like the US to become another Syria before they will admit that Trump is wrong. Why aren't the LDS Church leaders saying anything against Hatch and conservative hate media for wanting our nation to become like Syria. Fox News hate is just causing this destructive emotion to take on several additional quantum leaps. Our nation is doomed - unless - to paraphrase a famous quote, "If the Republicans/Democrats loved this nation more than they hate liberals/conservatives, our country would be better off. Religious leaders could advocate such concepts, I could always hope Jesus will reach into the hearts of Trump, Hatch, Fox News to stop the hate and greed

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:40 p.m.

    @silo - Sandy, UT

    "Cite a single corporation that actually pays the 35% rate."

    Apple Computers, for one, has many plants overseas because of the high corporate tax rate here - they've all but admitted that.

    Further, the number of companies quoted or reviewed in the trade press over the last decades that have admitted and demonstrated disincentive to invest here - and the taking of their business infrastructure overseas as a result - are too numerous to cite in this space. Simple research on the web reveals this. This is widely known among corporations in the United States - it's indisputable. Until today we had one of the very highest corporate tax rates in the world.

    The irony is more tax dollars will now be collected by the government from corporate taxes here in the US, because these companies and others will greatly expand here. A much higher volume of revenue times a 21% rate more than exceeds a lower volume of revenue time a 35% rate, in actual taxes collected. Simple math.

  • jalapenochomper albuquerque, NM
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:19 p.m.

    Getting some popcorn for these comments.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:18 p.m.

    Thid Barker - Victor, ID
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    "If President Trump chooses to run again, he will be tough to beat . . . "

    Only if the Russians improve in their penetration of our voting system. With his popularity falling south of 32% (particularly among young people, women, minorities, and college-educated men), it is difficult to see the path you so emphatically imagine. Unless the Republicans find more ways to disenfranchise people who don't vote Republican and the Russians are able to get into our voting machines and change votes, we should have a fair and impartial election.

    Also, Donald Trump will not be running against Hillary Clinton and all the negative baggage she carried. He will have all his baggage with the addition of all that has been added since November, 2016. If Republicans want to win in 2020, considering they lose big in 2018 because of the votes cast by Republican incumbents on health care and taxes (and their intimate ties to Trump and his mess), they will need a moderate candidate. But that's not going to happen. People who have hope for America will probably swing Left.

    Unfortunately, there is much Trump has done that will take decades to undo.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:01 p.m.

    @byufootballrocks
    "Don't they know that the old 35% corporate tax was the highest in the world, for decades causing many companies to locate large major parts of their businesses - and jobs - overseas?"

    Cite a single corporation that actually pays the 35% rate. The reality is that the statutory rate may be 35%, but the actual effective rate paid by corporations in the US is in the 24% range due to the number of loopholes available.

    Next, cite a single US corporation that shipped jobs offshore due to taxes alone. Just one example.

    You made your comment with a great deal of confidence, so providing details should be relatively easy.

  • Brent Russell Draper, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 9:48 p.m.

    I listened to a Republican Senator today. What he said made a lot of sense:

    He said (my rough numbers) that somewhere around 70% of our national budget is committed to entitlements and interest on the debt. And these are always increasing. In the current environment our elected officials simply have no say on how that money is spent.

    Accordingly, when they determine the budget, no matter how willing they might be to apply fiscal discipline, they can only affect the remaining 30%.

    He said that one of their two top priorities in passing this tax legislation is to increase the amount of government revenue through growing the economy. Short of entitlement reform, he sees that as their best option.

    I considered what he said as reasonable and in the best interests of our country.

    Brent Russell

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 9:41 p.m.

    What an incredible display of criticism, cynicism, negativity, and bile on this board, from those who cannot see the good in this President and seem obsessed with their caricatures of him.

    Several major companies, including AT & T and Boeing, announced pay raises or bonuses and significant new US investment today as a result of this bill's passing and the corporate tax rate reduction. Today two major corporations raised their own minimum wage to $15 per hour. Most of the new jobs created thereby are middle-class workers who are employed by these companies.

    Yet they still say this is going to the rich. How about telling the truth? Where are their facts? They have none - just platitudes and baseless statements.

    Don't they know that the old 35% corporate tax was the highest in the world, for decades causing many companies to locate large major parts of their businesses - and jobs - overseas? Now those jobs are headed back to the US. These are middle class jobs.

    It's false this is designed for the rich. You're going to have to demonstrate facts; the old phony lines are wearing thin.

    As the economy continues to explode and unemployment keeps falling, then what will you say?

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 9:17 p.m.

    The Tax Bill is available online for all to read, not only does it give Wells Fargo and other banks 14%, meaning Wells Fargo just got $140 BILLION (remember the scandal they were just in?), but Puerto Rico also got labeled a "foreign" nation, meaning they got slapped with a huge tax and they are still without power (remember when Trump said they're on their own and threw in the symbolic "paper" towel at them?). Puerto Rico's Governor has now vowed revenge on the GOP claiming he will influence 14 Puerto Rican dominated States to vote Democrat. But wait, there's more. Remember CHIP failed to get renewed? Starting the New Year when the GOP wants the new Tax Bill to take effect, millions of sick children will be dropped from care and treatment. And still there's more...

    "By their fruits ye shall know them"

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 9:06 p.m.

    Terrific headline--it gave me a good chuckle because the Hatch and Trump seem almost giddy about each other. Mr. Hatch will undoubtedly be happy to receive Mr. Trump's endorsement. Hopefully that will backfire and the majority of Utahns won't vote for Hatch when he runs. One can always hope.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 20, 2017 8:48 p.m.

    "you probably are not going to be in business in America for very long nor can you hire people who then are not able to pay much taxes! Go figure!"

    Yep.... because Fed Taxes are based on gross income.... not net income..... right? If your paying higher taxes, you can't afford to hire people because you pay taxes before salaries in tax accounting... right?

    Argh.... who ever starting selling this line about how accounting needs to be honored with the biggest liar award. That is not how standardized accounting goes.

    This will encourage companies to repatriate funds to the US..... but will it add jobs? That's a laughable logic. This is all post expenses... and will go to the shareholders... not employees.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 8:42 p.m.

    Gary O: What you don't get is that if Utah were recieving 100% of government aid (if it were possible that the government could continue to function like that), while receiving nothing from the citizens of Utah, there are some, like myself, that make decisions based on principle. The principle is this. Some, like myself, don't care. Rip it all away. Take it all away. I'm with it. I support it. I am all for it! I don't believe in Socialism as a means to help anyone, but particularly the poor. So, if you are trying to make points with others, like myself, it won't help. The decision is already made. Government is not the answer for us!. Period. End of story. P.S. government does have some limited responsibilities. If you want to start there, then your on for a discussion.

  • Anti Bush-Obama , 00
    Dec. 20, 2017 8:35 p.m.

    Yeah those darn corporation are giving $1,000. Bonuses to all their employees and raising their minimum wage to $15. per hour. Not to mentioninvesting in infastructure all within hours of this bill passing.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 8:25 p.m.

    I hope all these Trump haters pause and think about what it means to forgive, or allow a person to find grace, or move forward despite mistakes. It won't matter anyway. This tax cut will start the engines, engines that were not only burdened by a Socialist president, but one that raised our debt to atmospheric proportions because there was no incentive to work, earn or even live into the future. Obama could only smile and feel pity for the poor. Trump wants to give them a chance to find themselves without government aid. Anybody against this, including business leaders or corporations, are against it because they have had it cushy for 30 years and see no reason to change the status quo (why change when your making a lot of money?). I would vote for Trump again based on four major reasons so far (Hopefully, more will come): A Constitutional Supreme Court justice, voting to move the embassy to Jerusalem, this tax cut, including ridding the Obamacare individual mandate, and doing what he can to disrupt the Democratic and Republican machine. No Democrat would have even considered this type of tax cut. It is a threat to their welfare, Socialist base.

  • Jer-Bear Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 8:02 p.m.

    To RC in WJ;

    RE: "It is our goal to make this President a one term President"

    In complete disagreement!

    GO TRUMP !!!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 7:58 p.m.

    "This tax cut is voluntary! If you don't like it, don 't participate! Feel free to send in YOUR money to the IRS! Match your rhetoric with your money! Demonstrate by your actions that your words mean anything"

    This coming from a person who bemoaned 10 trillion in debt from 08-16 but will now gladly add more to it. In the future when you complain about the deficit or debt please match your rhetoric and do not take social security or medicare. Do not ask for a tax cut before demanding that Republicans reduce spending first.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 7:41 p.m.

    For 8 years Republicans whined...Deficits Matter.

    Now in complete control of government...

    Deficits Don't Matter.

    The Republican Occupant in the WH told Americans no one would be left without affordable health insurance.

    The Republican Occupant in the WH told Americans they would be able to do their taxes on a postage stamp.

    The Republican Occupant in the WH told Americans he had people in Hawaii who would prove Barack Obama was not born in the US.

    The senior Senator from Utah ran for office on a platform of term limits.

    The senior Senator from Utah told Americans he would not run again for the Senate.

    There is a definite observable pattern of behavior exhibited by the current Republican occupant in the WH as well as the Senator from Utah.

    That definite observable Republican behavior has nothing to do with telling the truth...

    It has everything to do with dissembling.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 7:40 p.m.

    Many republicans are fond of saying we don’t have a revenue problem but have a spending problem. However our debt problem(spending) is exacerbated by the fact that republicans continue to attack revenues.

    Republicans have created our debt problem by being irresponsible with this nations finances by cutting revenue and therefore creating debt.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 7:21 p.m.

    Mar-a-Lago is not a citizen’s place for the commoner. To sign the Tax bill for his rich patrons or Lords in a castle is not appropriate. It will mark history in the books.

    The Candidate Trump at various times requested help from President Putin.

    As an American and military veteran, I object to all of the Security alleged problems from a General, Attorney General, Son and Son-in-Law and other surrogates are offensive and abhorrent for high-level personnel..

    Security is vital for our nation. We require high levels of integrity in all branches of government. Without it, our national interests cannot be secure.

    We need good people dedicated to Constitutional principles and not fluff words by radio talk hosts for monetary gain and ratings.

    Honesty and integrity?

    Governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.

    No government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life.

  • Jer-Bear Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 6:50 p.m.

    Re: RC in WJ

    "no other president in recent memory has had to deal with this much adversity"
    and
    "Surely you made this statement in jest"

    Not so! President Trump is doing a fantastic job!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 6:29 p.m.

    I have concerns on two mentionable levels: 1) Can a president be the "best ever" having abused women the way Trump has in the past? 2) Can a president be the "best ever" while fomenting racial tensions the way Trump has through his campaign and into his presidency?

    I am a conservative and yet I am deeply troubled by the fact that the Republican Party has dumped traditional values. It appears the GOP values power and winning over values and character. I understand that political realities, necessities and compromise are critically important (the fact the Democrats and Republicans could never compromise during Obama's term is likely a large part of why politics has become so ugly of late). But are we willing to compromise to such an extent that we forget who we are as a nation?

    Do we forget traditional values? Do we forget decorum, decency, civility? Do we forget balanced budgets, federal debt, and the financial enslavement of future generations? These used to matter to Republicans.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 6:13 p.m.

    Re: Boyd in Provo

    "no other president in recent memory has had to deal with this much adversity"

    Surely you made this statement in jest!

    Let me refresh your memory! "It is our goal to make this President a one term President" Spoken by Sen. McConnell the day after Obama was elected POTUS. The following eight years is just what Trump is now getting.

    And oh by the way, about 65% of the population hopes to make this Trumps one and only term.

  • Boyd in Provo , 00
    Dec. 20, 2017 5:20 p.m.

    Presidents Washington, Lincoln and Reagan were our best presidents. Senator Hatch is almost correct with the fact that President Trump will one day be counted as one of our very best and effective presidents who displays a great love for our country. He has had to serve these past eleven months with almost half of the country in a constant never ending battle with him and no other president in recent memory has had to deal with this much adversity. It has taken a very strong minded person to get accomplished what President Trump has in so short a time. I'm glad he has an experienced Senator Hatch and many others strongly supporting him. I expect many great achievements from this presidency in the next three to seven years.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 5:05 p.m.

    Talk about the 'Impossible Dream'! Even the D News editors said Trump was unfit to be president. His self-admitted behavior means he will always be a... well you know what he is by his own words. How can that be great?

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 5:02 p.m.

    It's awfully difficult to celebrate making America great again when that's perceived as a negative. Hopefully the Clinton cabal and other leftists will experience a change of heart as time goes on. If 2017 has taught us anything, it's that reasoning with them just doesn't work. In the meantime, all we can do is love them, serve them, and pray for them.

    Merry Christmas everyone, and may God bless Senator Hatch and President Trump.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Dec. 20, 2017 4:55 p.m.

    Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations

    For 11 months, the GOP has had complete control over the White House, the House, and Senate.

    Republicans finally -- finally! -- pass one...their first...piece of substantive legislation to become law.

    And Hatch and the rest of the GOP congratulates each other with creepy and syrupy hyperbole...literally, that Trump is on track to become the "greatest" President ever.

    This is a pathetic failure, full stop.

    11 months to pass 1 law.

    This is a joke, not a success.

    Such anemic and feeble performance would be pathetic even if the drafting of this "tax reform" bill was not outsourced to K St. lobbyists hired by the wealthiest of the wealthy. They demanded that the GOP jump, and Republicans dutifully shouted "how high?" Not a leader among the lot.

    Hatch and many comments on DN prove a point made recently by David Frum in The Atlantic: a 'conservative' in 2017 is increasingly characterized and limited to nothing more than the defense and flattery of Trump.

    'Conservative' no longer suggests fiscal prudence and discipline, morality or religious grounding, belief in the rule of law and democratic principles.

    Congratulations!

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 4:47 p.m.

    We should all be doing everything we can to make our elected president the most successful in history. Hatch has represented Utah well and the prosperity has followed. Main Stream media’s efforts to bring down this president is absolutely disgusting and who are they accountable to? Elite media is going to be wrong on Tax bill.

  • Jer-Bear Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 4:44 p.m.

    Senator Hatch is a very wise man! He realizes that Trump means to do "good for the people" foremost...

    I hope he runs again.

    Great wording today Orrin!!!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 20, 2017 4:38 p.m.

    Hatch must be working on a new career - sit down comedy. That phrase can't be taken seriously. Only a delusional few think that Trump's presidency will be the greatest ever.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 4:27 p.m.

    There is absolutely no longer any doubt. Hatch MUST go!

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Dec. 20, 2017 4:23 p.m.

    Holy cow, I can’t believe he said that. He’s losing it. And so out of touch with his own constituents in his own party.

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Dec. 20, 2017 4:19 p.m.

    Senator Hatch certainly understands the buttons to push on our accidental commander in chief's monstrous ego.
    This blooming bromance is so beyond the pale that it can never be parodied.
    Please Utah, primary your senior senator and end this silliness before it becomes even more embarrassing.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:56 p.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap: Well, I figure since I worked for my money it belongs to me, and not the government! But that is beside the point! The point of this is that if you are trying to run a business and hire people in America but you are forced to pay 10-15% higher taxes than your foreign competitors, you probably are not going to be in business in America for very long nor can you hire people who then are not able to pay much taxes! Go figure!

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    @ patriot

    Trump presidency an answer to prayer? Whose prayer? Prayer of the rich, the famous and the superior people? Well, wait for the bombs to fall on North Korea and WW III starts, that would also be a great answer to prayers. lol!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    No Thid - your tax cut is temporary - remember? Now if you were one of Trump's oligarch buddies - your tax cut would be permanent.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:38 p.m.

    Wow. That concept comes in just short of delusional, Orrin.
    You're going to have put everything you've got into getting this presidency to the level of civility of a third grade class with an elderly substitute teacher.
    This tax thing, with it's 'magic math' that somehow makes deficits disappear, is no screaming achievement. This has been a pet project of the GOP for years and you barely squeaked it by. It offers nothing to people who pay taxes but more debt.
    As for trump, where's the great healthcare at a fraction of the cost? Where's the unity? Where's the basic human decency? Where's the soaring rhetoric and calm, measured demeanour? Where is presidential at it's most basic, let alone 'greatest'?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:32 p.m.

    Just remember deficits do not matter so when the tables turn just take all these republican interviews and show them to republicans when they complain about the deficit next time.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    Good grief. Just when I think I can't be surprised by politicians anymore, here comes this article. Mr. Hatch is clearly gearing up for a run again and he's counting on our erstwhile president to help him. My only hope is that the Trump effect will negatively impact Independents and mainstream Republicans in Utah and backfire. C'mon, Mitt, get with it and announce your run for the Senate.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    going from the worst presidency ever (2008 - 2016) to now potentially one of the best presidencies in the past 50 years. What a change. What an answer to prayer. Trump is awesome!

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    Hey Thid Barker -

    " . . . the opposite party has NOTHING to offer people who actually pay taxes!"

    Wrong. Once again . . .

    Democratic states pay a disproportionately high amount of Federal taxes, and it is Republican states who get most of the free stuff, courtesy of hard-working American tax payers.

    The Red states take far MORE money from the federal government than they pay in taxes. Look it up.

    Here are a couple of interesting articles:

    "Which States Rely the Most on Federal Aid?" - Tax Foundation

    "2017’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States"

    Of the 32 states which receive more federal money than they contribute, 27 states (84%) are REPUBLICAN. Of the 18 states which contribute more federal tax dollars than they receive, 14 states (78%) are DEMOCRATIC.

    “For percentage of residents in poverty, we found that 93 of the 100 poorest counties were in red states . . . For median income, we found that 95 of the 100 poorest counties were located in red states.” – Politifact

    GOP-run states have a solid track record of parasitizing our national resources (including our tax dollars) and they STILL can’t lift their citizens out of poverty.

    Why?

    . . . Can't govern?

  • fatenews Lehi, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    "...we’re going to keep fighting to make this the greatest presidency we’ve seen not only in generations, but maybe ever." ..."Mr. President, I have to say you're living up to everything I thought you would," the seven-term senator said. "You're one heck of a leader."

    Ok, I think either Hatch is seriously kissing up and fawning over Trump or his mental capacity is fast deteriorating. He definitely should retire.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    "...but maybe ever."

    More like "...but maybe Never." Seriously - Trump will be recorded in the annals of time as the worst US president ever. Hatch is seriously losing it.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    Prosperity always makes a President successful! If President Trump chooses to run again, he will be tough to beat not only because his policies are very effective but because the opposite party has NOTHING to offer people who actually pay taxes!