Dear Star Wars fans: It's time to grow up and accept 'The Last Jedi' as a great film

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  • Thomas Paine South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 6:37 a.m.

    Finally, we get a better than Empire Strikes Back - Star Wars movie. Of course, we will have whiners that don’t like it, but let’s not let the complainers dictate the conversation.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Dec. 21, 2017 6:29 a.m.

    Just my opinion.

    I had mixed feelings about the movie. Maybe it’s because I grew up with the synergies of Luke, Leia and Han. Maybe it’s because I like that the force was semi-exclusive to a small group of people. Maybe it’s because I didn’t like seeing all of my classic heroes pass away. Maybe...maybe it is better...I just walked away feeling empty. Not excited for the next show. That is the difference for me in this movie is I’m not overly excited for the next installment. That is the difference and I can’t put a finger on it

  • Nichol Draper West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 2:57 a.m.

    I liked it. Spoiler alert. There were parts that make this the kind of work that warrants discussion. While the Porg may as well had a price tag affixed to it. The plot, while disheartening to many Star Wars fans was good. If you didn't realize that Yoda's explanation about failure was a key plot line, then you would be frustrated that each main character executes a plan that fails during the film. While Star Trek follows the same plot, the hero always wins, this movie gave us something to think about. In LOTR you see the analogies to the two world wars that shaped Tolkien's time. In Star Wars you see the ambiguity that shapes our time. Were we the good guys or the bad guys in Vietnam? Are the Jedi nights good or bad? Wonderful parallels. This movie upped the literary value of the Star Wars franchise. So many Star Wars fans will hate this movie.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    "Force Awakens" was a sorry money grab, regurgitating an inferior version of the original film's plot. Its only innovations were an omniscient and omnipotent street urchin, already better than everyone at everything despite never having learned anything from anyone else, and a teenage boy who has less self-control than a two-year-old but somehow can control the ultimate powers of the universe. Entitlement replaces the relatable everyman Joseph Campbell type hero's journey of the original film.

    "Rogue One" was a much more ambitious, creative, and coherent story than "Force Awakens," and though there are a few ways in which the fit with the originals doesn't feel natural, it was enough to make people hope Disney wasn't going to flub this too badly.

    "Last Jedi" was more creative and ambitious than "Force Awakens," and more enjoyable while watching the film in isolation. Rey is also suddenly human and relateable, and Kylo, while still too ridiculous to allow us to keep up suspension of disbelief, is much less so than in the previous film. But the film is full of plot holes and messes too much with the series' central conceit, and "Empire vs Rebels REMATCH!" is still a tired arc.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 3:00 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug, that's not why people dislike newer Star Wars movies.

    Yes, expectations are high for each movie. Do you know how many people worked on this and how many man-hours were invested? Couldn't some more of the nearly one BILLION dollar budget have been invested in working towards a coherent plot?

    For the original trilogy, George Lucas had some big ideas - and lots of stupid ideas. But he took good ideas from wherever he could find them, iterated on them, and got refining creative input from others. He asked one of the best screenwriters - who was also the first major woman sci-fi author - to write the initial drafts for "Empire." It went through years of serious revision after she passed away before it was turned into a film. The result wasn't perfection, but it was art.

    By the time of the prequel trilogy, Lucas had more ideas both good and bad but his head was too big to seek the creative help he needed and nobody dared to question the film legend. The films were properly ambitious but miserably written.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 20, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    I'm not saying Last Jedi was a perfect film, but so far everyone has hated Force Awakens (for being too much like the originals) and all 3 Prequels (for being too unlike them).

    So I guess what everyone is saying is to stop making these movies.

    In the end, SW is a victim of its own success. Expectations are so incredibly high for each movie that you just can't win.

    Unless you can just chill and watch the show...

  • HappyDad Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 1:46 p.m.

    I loved the movie. I'm having a hard time understanding why people are mad about it. Doesn't have nearly as many plot holes as The Force Awakens did. Pretty solid fun.

  • cyruszuo LAKE FOREST, CA
    Dec. 20, 2017 12:47 p.m.

    Modern acceptance of everything is very narrow-minded in that it only accepts those that agree with it. The irony of course being that you aren't accepting everyone if you require them to think the way you do to be accepted.
    I disagree with the philosophy put forth in this article. It is not the way to a better place for the franchise. It will lead to more indistinguishable Disney films, much like the endless barrage of comic book movies.

    I do believe in respecting differing opinions.
    My opinion is that the original movies are a tough standard. I wish Disney luck in replicating the impact they had and hope they will respect the fans as they move towards the future.

  • Utahman23 Herriman, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    I personally think this movie shows that it's not just a cash grab to make Star Wars movies. Rian Johnson took major risks and even though I don't think all of them hit well, it shows that they want to make the story new and different and that might result in people hating it which would then lead to less ticket sales. If they wanted the cash grab they could just remake the original trilogy then people would flock to it and be content. The Last Jedi shows that they have something new and are going to roll with it.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:58 a.m.

    Meh is all I can say. Disney/Lucasfilm needs to get back to the original Star Wars Episode 4 Space Opera style of movie making. It was much more enjoyable than anything newer. And I'd include anything after Empire Strikes Back in that list. The only thing that seemed to flow fairly well was the animated Clone Wars series. Disjointed is not a bad thing in a space opera...

  • Aggie95 Orem, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    Flock shooting insults toward a group of people who don't agree with you begs the question of "needing to grow up" far more than having the backbone to dislike a movie when popular opinion differs. This seems to be the main argument of those who love The Last Jedi. "If you don't love it then I'm going to insult you with claims that you're immature, can't accept change, stuck in the past, not able to see a movie for its own merits, etc, etc." Insults are not convincing arguments.

    For me (also an avid fan), The Last Jedi was.....simultaneously amazing and awful. Great production values, surprisingly good acting (aside from a couple of characters), and exciting action scenes (including one of the best in Star Wars history). Some, but only some, of the story was outstanding.

    Some of the story was also insulting, unnecessary, lame. The movie lacks a soul. Embracing something new doesn't require insulting the past. The Last Jedi rips the heart out of Star Wars, making light of nearly everything that has made it special. This is not something I am willing to overlook. When unnecessary, change is not a good thing. At least now I know I am immature for thinking so.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:39 a.m.

    I have pretty much the same credentials as the author in terms of Star Wars fandom. Even though your opinion appeared in a newspaper, sorry, but that's all it remains, an opinion. Your plea to stop the complaints is appreciated, but I disagree.

    I actually liked the film, but I have so many concerns that I am almost in the dislike category. Disney is pushing it to interesting new places. But it doesn't mean that I will like it. Yes, it made millions, but that is no indication of how good it is. The porn industry makes billions. Don't cite the box office figures as a way to enlighten me as to the movie's worth. Anything with the name "Star Wars" on it will continue to make money for a long time.

    I thought they really misused Luke, the ending was a cheat on the audience (don't tell me they set it up during the movie; it was still a cheat), Leia's space walk, the slow chase (out of missile range? come on), the casino planet side story that didn't matter, the shoe-horned Laura Dern character, etc. etc. It has problems for me that are more than just nit picks.

    Unfair to compare to the originals though. Those are masterpieces. This was just a somewhat good movie.

  • Strider303 American Fork, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    A mediocre film, heavy reliance on explosions, crashes, and shouting. No development of characters, individual scenes tied together in some coherent plot or manner.

    A money-maker, yes. Cinematic art, no way, fluff and whimsy.

    A waste of very talented Daisey Ridley’s time. She deserves a script and movie worthy of her talents.

    This movie is surely good fodder for MST 3000, at some near future date.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    It is a work of fiction. The stories are what those who own the franchise want them to be. People criticized George Lucas on his prequel stories so much he gave up and sold the whole thing to Disney. People may gripe but they still make buckets of money.

  • StangeeBoy08 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 10:10 a.m.

    NOOOOO! I want to complain that The Force Awakens was too similar to A New Hope! And I want to complain more that this movie took risks! I'm not happy with the same thing and I'm not happy with change!

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    Dec. 20, 2017 9:59 a.m.

    Hmmm... I'm finding the "fans" referred to in the article odd... I'm an adult (60) who saw the films first in theaters when they were released, seen them plenty of times since and, in the case of Last Jedi, was thoroughly delighted -- mostly by the way LJ ties all the other folms together, pays homage to everything and just is amazingly GREAT. I put it on the top of list of all the SW films. I'll go so far as to say, beyond Academy consideration which I though the some of the films always deserved, thius one is Oscar worthy.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 9:27 a.m.

    I don't think I would call it a "great film." I found it entertaining, but true to all star wars films it is full of bad acting, bad direction, cheesy dialogue, and absurd plots. However, I would call it the 2nd best star wars film behind Rogue One. But no Star Wars film could ever be called a "great film" by an adult movie lover. Unless they are completely deluded and living in the past.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    Scribner concludes "Disney is willing to bequeath you an endless series of Star Wars films! All you have to do to receive this boon is give up on anything that made Star Wars special or remarkable. It needs to become something new - a cash cow regurgitating and re-chewing a gradually less nutritious cud, every two years for the next century. Isn't that wonderful? Here's a quote from the latest archvillain about why we should do this; I'm sure we can trust him to tell us what is proper and right."

    Telling people they need to "mature their Star Wars palettes" so they can appreciate whatever comes off the production line next - even if it's drivel - is insulting.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 20, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    Maybe it is time for professional critics to get over themselves and realize that regular viewers are entitled to their own views.

    Personally, I consider the film adequate, a decent couple hours entertainment. It is neither horrible, nor epic.

    And that would be fine if the film were merely a stand alone film. Or even a sequel to a routine movie. What are expectations for Rocky 47 or Die Hard 12?

    But it is a sequel to an epic trilogy. It was the original Star Wars, episode 4, that changed the entire genre of sci fi. Some of us didn't watch that on grainy VHS, but saw it in theaters in all its pre edited glory.

    Anyone can make a sequel to a routine movie. Nobody should even attempt a sequel to Gone With the Wind or Casablanca. And Disney is having a very hard time getting Star Wars sequels correct.