Tighty-Whities - Draper, UT Dec. 13, 2017 1:29 p.m. Wrote: Hatch's
endorsement of an accused pedophile shows that he is a 'win at all
costs' politician who should be replaced by Utah voters. It is a foregone
conclusion that his replacement will not be a democrat, but I am now firmly in
the 'anyone but Hatch' camp. Please, someone, challenge him in the
primary.And based on the responses of many on this site, had that
situation occurred in UT ( alleged sexual predator vs. Democrat ) UT would be
sending the alleged sexual predator to Capital Hill. As with Alabama apparently
there aren't enough republican voters in UT with the integrity and decency
to do the right thing.
ConservativeUtahisBest - Salt Lake City, UT Dec. 13, 2017 12:11 p.m. Wrote: the
democratic candidate goes up against an accused child molester that is accused
of rape. And the candidate can't even get half of the votes? And you call
that energizing?Really, if it wern't for the heroics of the
African American community in Alabama the alledged pedophile and rapist would
have won as he carried the white vote, both men and women. In UT, and other
parts of America no such heroics are possible.
The Democrat's win in Alabama was due to a combination of factors - a
deeply flawed candidate that generated massive bipartisan push back, low voter
turn out and lack of support by the Republican party - which will not
necessarily translate into other elections. The previous 5 House special
elections were won by Republicans.Both parties should be on notice
that the old rules no longer apply. Each election will be decided on merit, not
Two words: Scott Brown
Copybook Headings said: "When Democrats win an election: "It's
energizing! It shows we can win in a red State."When Democrats lose an
election: "We wuz robbed!"And also Let's throw fits,
have riots, vigils, protests, marches, civil disobedience, violence,
promise/attempt impeachment to the winner, and in general refuse to move on.
@Moracle – “to set back the "Establishment" movements toward
shredding our Constitution”The Right needs no help in that
regard. I could write a book on how they are shredding our Constitution, but
let’s just start with Citizens United.If you think the
Founding Fathers thought money was speech and corporations were entitled to the
same rights as natural born person, then you really need to read what the
Founders actually wrote. Here are a couple of examples:“I hope
that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations,
which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid
defiance to the laws of our country.” — Thomas Jefferson.“The power of all corporations ought to be limited, [...] the growing
wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.” —
James MadisonEducate yourself. Think you own thoughts. Stop letting
entertaining shills for oligopoly think for you.
This "win" for the Democrats in Alabama is nothing but a flash in the
pan. He'll get unelected when next up for real election. So the Democrats
shouldn't get so giddy. The Alabama redneck faction put forth a lousy
candidate. Nothing more. The message is, the Republicans in Alabama screwed
up. Republicans in other states will see this Alabama nonsense and
work harder to elect good Republicans that can win elections, so nothing will
change. This will not translate into anything nation wide for the Democrats.
It's possible that they will pick up one or two seats in the Senate but not
the landslide Democrats are hoping for.The positive for Republicans
in general, this Alabama race showed that people shouldn't follow Bannon.
We keep him out of the mix, nothing bad will happen.To one vote, the
Democrats won't win the next senate election here in Utah. Doesn't
matter who runs, Wilson will get creamed.
All the Democrats need is a tweeting golfer that is his own worst enemy. The
Bannon faction warring against the Romney faction will take care of the rest.
Hatch's seat is a democratic lock.
Democrats need decades old accusations to win an election, they are in trouble.
By choosing an un-electable nominee and then Not voting for him, the
Republicans of Alabama have given us at least two years of possible stalemate in
Congress -- Meaning no progress on the Trump agenda to set back the
"Establishment" movements toward shredding our Constitution, and take us
back to a more Constitutional government.
It would appear that Democrats become incredibly energized by anything. Yet
they keep on losing.
Good for Alabama for putting country and decency first. Thank you. Trump
supporters here in Utah don't seem to have the same qualms, mores the pity.
@Hoosier87"Cause if you think for one minute that election was a
referendum against President Trump, then think again."It
certainly wasn't but it plays a role. Trump won the state by 25 points but
his approval rating has fallen in Alabama to around 50-50 so that probably cost
Moore a few points. Moore being a far out there candidate, twice removed from
the court, said we were last great during slavery, and thinks Muslims should be
barred from holding public office... he's not a mainstream republican and
these things cost him points. And of course the sexual abuse allegations cost
him another 10 or so points. He only lost by a couple so pretty much all of
these pieces (largely taking the form of decreased R turnout and increased D
turnout) were needed for Jones to win.It's sort of like with
Hillary, she didn't lose because of any one thing. She lost because there
was one thing too many.
Well in the 3rd district Allen wasn't even all that close to half of the
combined total of Curtis + Bennett so if there's a similar mess here then
the Republicans could just bail to a United Utah candidate and the Democrat
would still lose.
Helps to go up against an incredibly bad candidate
Democrats must embrace faith to have a chance in 2020. Wedding cake outcome in
June with Supreme Court will be a test. Democrats deserve better than Mr. Obama
who threatened schools with withholding funding if no transgender bathrooms in
When Democrats win an election: "It's energizing! It shows we can win
in a red State."When Democrats lose an election: "We wuz
I agree with those who don't see how and why the Jones victory in Alabama
would translate into Utah electing a Democrat to a national office.While Utah shares with Alabama a deep red electorate, it has a finger-in-wind
pragmatism that makes the Trump-Bannon appeals to bigotry much less effective.
Utah's GOP leaders are comfortable enough in their seats to talk tough, but
unlike a true firebrand like Roy Moore, they stick to the safety of the middle
of the herd...never getting too far out ahead or lagging behind wherever the
Republican party is taking them.If anything, the loss by Moore may
persuade Hatch to get off the fence and yield to a less enmeshed Republican such
as Romney. Romney had the common sense and decency to name Moore and Trump for
what they are and the corrosive effect they have on what was once a coherent
Over time mixed (urban-rural) areas tend to switch political party alliances
@CMO Beaver – “as soon as the Trump crowd dissipates, loony tune
characters like Moore will be swept from the land”Probably
true, but still nice to see that even ultra-red state Alabama hasn’t
completely sold its soul.
This is very interesting. Doug Jones didn't win this race, Roy Moore lost.
As soon as Alabamians see how Jones votes, I expect they won't wait 2 years
to get rid of him. But why did Moore lose? The dirtiest of the dirty tricks, a
terrible candidate and both parties against him. And even then it was a
squeaker. Any other candidate from the Republican primary would've walked
away with a win. So when Marcus Stevenson, Utah Democratic Party
vice chairman, says, "This really shows Democrats can win statewide in red
states...We can do this." What does that mean? Will the Dems work with the
Republicans to select candidates they can both approve of and kinda split the
ticket in smoke-filled backrooms? Now that the caucus system has been neutered
that's certainly possible. Will Utah Dems be taking a page out of the
dirty-trick playbook and just fling mud until something sticks? Some media
outlets around here would love to help. I guess we'll have to
see but I expect a full broadside of skullduggery this mid-term. Batten down the
YeeHaw! Hillary's back!After a national media frenzies against
Moore, the democrat pulls out a win in Alabama.That doesn't
mean Misty Snow can win in Utah. Or Doc Allen for that matter.May
the Utah Democratic Party be blessed with overconfidence for many years to come.
any normal, non child stalking Republican would have won this deal in
landslide... Dems can only dream about holding this seat. as soon as the Trump
crowd dissipates, loony tune characters like Moore will be swept from the land
"Bannon lashed out at Romney, suggesting he was a draft dodger for serving
an LDS Church mission in France during the Vietnam War."...Because Trump and Bannon were both war heroes, *smh*. There
are no so blind as those who actively refuse to see.*****@ConservativeUtahIsBest..."...the democratic candidate goes up
against an accused child molester that is accused of rape. And the candidate
can't even get half of the votes? And you call that energizing?"Given the voting history of Alabama over the last 25 plus years, and the
polls two months ago in a state Trump won with 62% of the vote.... ....and winning huge among younger voters who are going to be around longer
than the fossils (like me) who already have one foot in heaven's waiting
room and so won't be voting for nearly as long, and given how this goes
along with the results in Virginia and New Jersey in this "first year of
Trump," yes I absolutely would call that energizing.The South
may indeed rise again if the people are ready to throw off the chains of
bigotry, blind fundamentalism and lack of respect for women and people of
different cultural background.
Now, if only we can get Donald Trump to endorse Hatch, Lee, Stewart, Bishop,
Love and Curtis...
Hatch's endorsement of an accused pedophile shows that he is a 'win at
all costs' politician who should be replaced by Utah voters. It is a
foregone conclusion that his replacement will not be a democrat, but I am now
firmly in the 'anyone but Hatch' camp. Please, someone, challenge him
in the primary.
As a lifelong Conservative, I've been saying since Trump jumped in the race
that he is NOT a Conservative. Neither are the talk show clowns that run Trump
from behind (Bannon, Hannity, etc.). They're all in it for the money and
the narcissistic attention they get as entertainers. Sad that so many buy into
their nonsense. Massive Hypocrisy is destroying the Conservative
cause. Trump ran on the platform 'Drain the Swamp' and then he makes
like a bandit off the laws he's signed. He and Moore are sexual predators
promoting Family Values. Trump and his team sell out to Putin and other
autocrats, while whining about Hillary's e-mail server. His people are
systematically destroying our FBI, CIA and Justice Dept. And on and on... Trump needs to resign for his crimes against women and girls.
Conservatives need to do some soul searching and stop listening to Talk Show
hosts, and think about how to make converts rather than pursue heretics. And no
Moore Populists. Otherwise, they're in for a lot of Losing.
This race means nothing for democrats nationwide. If they think that they are in
Every time a democrat wins an election, an angel loses its wings.
Utah..... please don't read too much into this. This was yet again
another "Trump" style moment where one of the candidates was just not
very appealing (Clinton) so Trump won as a no vote to her. This was clearly a
"no" vote moment to Moore.... it wasn't that Alabama voters had
moderated. If Dems are to win in Utah, they can't count on
the other person on the other side is going to be so distasteful that some will
not vote, or will vote for the other side. You need to come up with something
positive - not abortion - not welfare state. But better ideas. So far, the
democratic party has failed miserably on that front.So don't
confuse this "no" vote for Moore as a "yes" vote for the next to
nonexistent platform of the Dems.
You know what Democrats - I see your point. If you could just accuse every
opponent of sexual assaults just before the election, then I guarantee you
could win a lot of elections. Good strategy.Cause if you think for
one minute that election was a referendum against President Trump, then think
I guess the Utah Democrats are looking for ANYTHING to bolster their hopes.
This will be better for the country as a whole. Imsmarterthanyou seems to loathe
the idea of feeding his fellow countrymen and instead seems to prefer the money
going towards the purchase of bombs to be dropped on innocent people elsewhere.
Last night's Democratic victory in Alabama is more a referendum on
Moore-Trump than the entire Republican party. With a less controversial
candidate, the Republican party would likely have won. Jones was successful
because he was a moderate. If he leaned far left, he very well could have lost,
even to Moore. If the Democratic party wants to gain similar victories in red
states, it will need to adopt positions that are more closely aligned with the
values of religious voters or at least field moderate candidates.
They're right, it is a very positive outcome.
please, Utah, choose Jenny Wilson over the hyperpartisan Hatch who has joined
the insidious Team Trump!
Utah next to feel the Democratic domination caused by the Donald.
I believe fellow commenter Thid Baker from Idaho was asserting that the voters
in Alabama would pick someone accused of sexual misconduct (possibly statutory
rape no less) over a "liberal democrat".Sorry Thid, you and
Steve Bannon were both wrong.
This is a sad day for those who enjoy freedom and wish to keep the government
out of their personal lives. It's also a very sad day for those of us who
are sick & tired of paying for the food stamps, welfare checks, & health
care of all the parasite democrats who refuse to pay their own way. Maybe
communist people of Alabama could be deported to Venezuela. That's what
If we can just convince majority of voters in the LDS community to support
Abortions on demand, progressive anti-capitalism, militant feminism, and wealth
redistribution, I think the Democrats can really take off in this state!
And the Trump election was energizing to Republicans in Detroit. But, Detroit
Republicans still will not be winning any elections in my lifetime.
the democratic candidate goes up against an accused child molester that is
accused of rape. And the candidate can't even get half of the votes? And
you call that energizing?