Utah Democrats: Win in Alabama Senate race 'incredibly energizing'

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  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Dec. 14, 2017 12:14 p.m.

    Tighty-Whities - Draper, UT Dec. 13, 2017 1:29 p.m. Wrote: Hatch's endorsement of an accused pedophile shows that he is a 'win at all costs' politician who should be replaced by Utah voters. It is a foregone conclusion that his replacement will not be a democrat, but I am now firmly in the 'anyone but Hatch' camp. Please, someone, challenge him in the primary.

    And based on the responses of many on this site, had that situation occurred in UT ( alleged sexual predator vs. Democrat ) UT would be sending the alleged sexual predator to Capital Hill. As with Alabama apparently there aren't enough republican voters in UT with the integrity and decency to do the right thing.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Dec. 14, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    ConservativeUtahisBest - Salt Lake City, UT Dec. 13, 2017 12:11 p.m. Wrote: the democratic candidate goes up against an accused child molester that is accused of rape. And the candidate can't even get half of the votes? And you call that energizing?

    Really, if it wern't for the heroics of the African American community in Alabama the alledged pedophile and rapist would have won as he carried the white vote, both men and women. In UT, and other parts of America no such heroics are possible.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 9:36 a.m.

    The Democrat's win in Alabama was due to a combination of factors - a deeply flawed candidate that generated massive bipartisan push back, low voter turn out and lack of support by the Republican party - which will not necessarily translate into other elections. The previous 5 House special elections were won by Republicans.

    Both parties should be on notice that the old rules no longer apply. Each election will be decided on merit, not party affiliation.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Dec. 14, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    Two words: Scott Brown

  • Yorkshire Logan, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    Copybook Headings said: "When Democrats win an election: "It's energizing! It shows we can win in a red State."
    When Democrats lose an election: "We wuz robbed!"

    And also Let's throw fits, have riots, vigils, protests, marches, civil disobedience, violence, promise/attempt impeachment to the winner, and in general refuse to move on.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2017 8:36 a.m.

    @Moracle – “to set back the "Establishment" movements toward shredding our Constitution”

    The Right needs no help in that regard. I could write a book on how they are shredding our Constitution, but let’s just start with Citizens United.

    If you think the Founding Fathers thought money was speech and corporations were entitled to the same rights as natural born person, then you really need to read what the Founders actually wrote. Here are a couple of examples:

    “I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” — Thomas Jefferson.

    “The power of all corporations ought to be limited, [...] the growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.” — James Madison

    Educate yourself. Think you own thoughts. Stop letting entertaining shills for oligopoly think for you.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 7:16 a.m.

    This "win" for the Democrats in Alabama is nothing but a flash in the pan. He'll get unelected when next up for real election. So the Democrats shouldn't get so giddy. The Alabama redneck faction put forth a lousy candidate. Nothing more. The message is, the Republicans in Alabama screwed up.

    Republicans in other states will see this Alabama nonsense and work harder to elect good Republicans that can win elections, so nothing will change. This will not translate into anything nation wide for the Democrats. It's possible that they will pick up one or two seats in the Senate but not the landslide Democrats are hoping for.

    The positive for Republicans in general, this Alabama race showed that people shouldn't follow Bannon. We keep him out of the mix, nothing bad will happen.

    To one vote, the Democrats won't win the next senate election here in Utah. Doesn't matter who runs, Wilson will get creamed.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 9:41 p.m.

    All the Democrats need is a tweeting golfer that is his own worst enemy. The Bannon faction warring against the Romney faction will take care of the rest. Hatch's seat is a democratic lock.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:59 p.m.

    Democrats need decades old accusations to win an election, they are in trouble.

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:35 p.m.

    By choosing an un-electable nominee and then Not voting for him, the Republicans of Alabama have given us at least two years of possible stalemate in Congress -- Meaning no progress on the Trump agenda to set back the "Establishment" movements toward shredding our Constitution, and take us back to a more Constitutional government.

  • Red Corvette St George, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:25 p.m.

    It would appear that Democrats become incredibly energized by anything. Yet they keep on losing.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 5:48 p.m.

    Good for Alabama for putting country and decency first. Thank you. Trump supporters here in Utah don't seem to have the same qualms, mores the pity.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 4:27 p.m.

    @Hoosier87
    "Cause if you think for one minute that election was a referendum against President Trump, then think again."

    It certainly wasn't but it plays a role. Trump won the state by 25 points but his approval rating has fallen in Alabama to around 50-50 so that probably cost Moore a few points. Moore being a far out there candidate, twice removed from the court, said we were last great during slavery, and thinks Muslims should be barred from holding public office... he's not a mainstream republican and these things cost him points. And of course the sexual abuse allegations cost him another 10 or so points. He only lost by a couple so pretty much all of these pieces (largely taking the form of decreased R turnout and increased D turnout) were needed for Jones to win.

    It's sort of like with Hillary, she didn't lose because of any one thing. She lost because there was one thing too many.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 4:23 p.m.

    Well in the 3rd district Allen wasn't even all that close to half of the combined total of Curtis + Bennett so if there's a similar mess here then the Republicans could just bail to a United Utah candidate and the Democrat would still lose.

  • james d. morrison Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    Helps to go up against an incredibly bad candidate

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    Democrats must embrace faith to have a chance in 2020. Wedding cake outcome in June with Supreme Court will be a test. Democrats deserve better than Mr. Obama who threatened schools with withholding funding if no transgender bathrooms in each school.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    When Democrats win an election: "It's energizing! It shows we can win in a red State."
    When Democrats lose an election: "We wuz robbed!"

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Dec. 13, 2017 3:07 p.m.

    I agree with those who don't see how and why the Jones victory in Alabama would translate into Utah electing a Democrat to a national office.

    While Utah shares with Alabama a deep red electorate, it has a finger-in-wind pragmatism that makes the Trump-Bannon appeals to bigotry much less effective. Utah's GOP leaders are comfortable enough in their seats to talk tough, but unlike a true firebrand like Roy Moore, they stick to the safety of the middle of the herd...never getting too far out ahead or lagging behind wherever the Republican party is taking them.

    If anything, the loss by Moore may persuade Hatch to get off the fence and yield to a less enmeshed Republican such as Romney. Romney had the common sense and decency to name Moore and Trump for what they are and the corrosive effect they have on what was once a coherent conservative movement.

  • Roboteacher West Valley City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 3:04 p.m.

    Over time mixed (urban-rural) areas tend to switch political party alliances periodically.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Dec. 13, 2017 2:51 p.m.

    @CMO Beaver – “as soon as the Trump crowd dissipates, loony tune characters like Moore will be swept from the land”

    Probably true, but still nice to see that even ultra-red state Alabama hasn’t completely sold its soul.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    This is very interesting. Doug Jones didn't win this race, Roy Moore lost. As soon as Alabamians see how Jones votes, I expect they won't wait 2 years to get rid of him. But why did Moore lose? The dirtiest of the dirty tricks, a terrible candidate and both parties against him. And even then it was a squeaker. Any other candidate from the Republican primary would've walked away with a win.

    So when Marcus Stevenson, Utah Democratic Party vice chairman, says, "This really shows Democrats can win statewide in red states...We can do this." What does that mean? Will the Dems work with the Republicans to select candidates they can both approve of and kinda split the ticket in smoke-filled backrooms? Now that the caucus system has been neutered that's certainly possible. Will Utah Dems be taking a page out of the dirty-trick playbook and just fling mud until something sticks? Some media outlets around here would love to help.

    I guess we'll have to see but I expect a full broadside of skullduggery this mid-term. Batten down the hatches.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 2:07 p.m.

    YeeHaw! Hillary's back!

    After a national media frenzies against Moore, the democrat pulls out a win in Alabama.

    That doesn't mean Misty Snow can win in Utah. Or Doc Allen for that matter.

    May the Utah Democratic Party be blessed with overconfidence for many years to come.

  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:49 p.m.

    any normal, non child stalking Republican would have won this deal in landslide... Dems can only dream about holding this seat. as soon as the Trump crowd dissipates, loony tune characters like Moore will be swept from the land

  • Bigpics West Haven, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:46 p.m.

    "Bannon lashed out at Romney, suggesting he was a draft dodger for serving an LDS Church mission in France during the Vietnam War."

    ...Because Trump and Bannon were both war heroes, *smh*.

    There are no so blind as those who actively refuse to see.

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    @ConservativeUtahIsBest...

    "...the democratic candidate goes up against an accused child molester that is accused of rape. And the candidate can't even get half of the votes? And you call that energizing?"

    Given the voting history of Alabama over the last 25 plus years, and the polls two months ago in a state Trump won with 62% of the vote....

    ....and winning huge among younger voters who are going to be around longer than the fossils (like me) who already have one foot in heaven's waiting room and so won't be voting for nearly as long, and given how this goes along with the results in Virginia and New Jersey in this "first year of Trump," yes I absolutely would call that energizing.

    The South may indeed rise again if the people are ready to throw off the chains of bigotry, blind fundamentalism and lack of respect for women and people of different cultural background.

  • Anti-Trump Everett, WA
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    Now, if only we can get Donald Trump to endorse Hatch, Lee, Stewart, Bishop, Love and Curtis...

  • Tighty-Whities Draper, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:29 p.m.

    Hatch's endorsement of an accused pedophile shows that he is a 'win at all costs' politician who should be replaced by Utah voters. It is a foregone conclusion that his replacement will not be a democrat, but I am now firmly in the 'anyone but Hatch' camp. Please, someone, challenge him in the primary.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    As a lifelong Conservative, I've been saying since Trump jumped in the race that he is NOT a Conservative. Neither are the talk show clowns that run Trump from behind (Bannon, Hannity, etc.). They're all in it for the money and the narcissistic attention they get as entertainers. Sad that so many buy into their nonsense.

    Massive Hypocrisy is destroying the Conservative cause. Trump ran on the platform 'Drain the Swamp' and then he makes like a bandit off the laws he's signed. He and Moore are sexual predators promoting Family Values. Trump and his team sell out to Putin and other autocrats, while whining about Hillary's e-mail server. His people are systematically destroying our FBI, CIA and Justice Dept. And on and on...

    Trump needs to resign for his crimes against women and girls. Conservatives need to do some soul searching and stop listening to Talk Show hosts, and think about how to make converts rather than pursue heretics. And no Moore Populists. Otherwise, they're in for a lot of Losing.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:59 p.m.

    This race means nothing for democrats nationwide. If they think that they are in trouble politically.

  • IAlaw Council Bluffs, IA
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    Every time a democrat wins an election, an angel loses its wings.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    Utah..... please don't read too much into this. This was yet again another "Trump" style moment where one of the candidates was just not very appealing (Clinton) so Trump won as a no vote to her. This was clearly a "no" vote moment to Moore.... it wasn't that Alabama voters had moderated.

    If Dems are to win in Utah, they can't count on the other person on the other side is going to be so distasteful that some will not vote, or will vote for the other side. You need to come up with something positive - not abortion - not welfare state. But better ideas. So far, the democratic party has failed miserably on that front.

    So don't confuse this "no" vote for Moore as a "yes" vote for the next to nonexistent platform of the Dems.

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:51 p.m.

    You know what Democrats - I see your point. If you could just accuse every opponent of sexual assaults just before the election, then I guarantee you could win a lot of elections. Good strategy.

    Cause if you think for one minute that election was a referendum against President Trump, then think again.

  • logical Meridian, ID
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:51 p.m.

    I guess the Utah Democrats are looking for ANYTHING to bolster their hopes. Sad.

  • canyonprophet69 provo, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    This will be better for the country as a whole. Imsmarterthanyou seems to loathe the idea of feeding his fellow countrymen and instead seems to prefer the money going towards the purchase of bombs to be dropped on innocent people elsewhere. Sad.

  • John Valentine in Denver Brighton, CO
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    Last night's Democratic victory in Alabama is more a referendum on Moore-Trump than the entire Republican party. With a less controversial candidate, the Republican party would likely have won. Jones was successful because he was a moderate. If he leaned far left, he very well could have lost, even to Moore. If the Democratic party wants to gain similar victories in red states, it will need to adopt positions that are more closely aligned with the values of religious voters or at least field moderate candidates.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    They're right, it is a very positive outcome.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:35 p.m.

    please, Utah, choose Jenny Wilson over the hyperpartisan Hatch who has joined the insidious Team Trump!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:33 p.m.

    Utah next to feel the Democratic domination caused by the Donald.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:23 p.m.

    I believe fellow commenter Thid Baker from Idaho was asserting that the voters in Alabama would pick someone accused of sexual misconduct (possibly statutory rape no less) over a "liberal democrat".

    Sorry Thid, you and Steve Bannon were both wrong.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:19 p.m.

    This is a sad day for those who enjoy freedom and wish to keep the government out of their personal lives. It's also a very sad day for those of us who are sick & tired of paying for the food stamps, welfare checks, & health care of all the parasite democrats who refuse to pay their own way. Maybe communist people of Alabama could be deported to Venezuela. That's what they deserve.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    If we can just convince majority of voters in the LDS community to support Abortions on demand, progressive anti-capitalism, militant feminism, and wealth redistribution, I think the Democrats can really take off in this state!

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:14 p.m.

    And the Trump election was energizing to Republicans in Detroit. But, Detroit Republicans still will not be winning any elections in my lifetime.

  • ConservativeUtahisBest Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:11 p.m.

    the democratic candidate goes up against an accused child molester that is accused of rape. And the candidate can't even get half of the votes? And you call that energizing?