4 legislators join calls for Utah County commissioner to resign

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  • glacierlake3 Provo, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:15 p.m.

    Imperfect I am, even below the dust of the earth.
    3rd Nephi 11:30
    Behold this is not my doctrine to stir up the hearts of men with anger one against another, but this is my doctrine that such things should be done away.

    IN the case of we the people, for the people, of the people and by the people on the matter of this elected official. the loud noise is real. but also there are the facts before the people. Not the other elected officials. It really needs to be brought before the people as information and question of support for or against the duly elected official. I really do not feel this is two much to ask in the matter of Handling Utah County.

  • Trudere Provo, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    To those who like to blame the caucus-convention system for electoral ills: No system is without fault. I investigate every candidate as much as possible. I follow up after every election. Some officials lie or break promises. One of Graves's first votes was to break his campaign promise to cancel BRT. He's never recovered in the eyes of voters. The caucus-convention system is open to everyone. It's an effective way to vet candidates--usually. Look what we got in McMullin and Ainge, the drive-by frauds who didn't get investigated.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 11:22 a.m.

    NoNamesAccepted, what you're asking for is that an employer not have power to fire their employees unless the employee has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be criminally guilty. That is not a conservative position, and is actually further to the left than socialist-tending European labor unions.

    This case, like the Ott/Sanone fiasco, shows that we the people ought to have processes in place to allow us to terminate at will the employment of any "public servant" who is utterly failing to serve the public, just as most employers can do with their misbehaving employees.

    Union agreements require just cause for firing, and in contested cases that requires "substantial evidence." That's a step less than the evidence required in a civil case, and vastly less than what's required in a criminal case. We neither have nor should have union-type protections for elected officials, but the investigative report contains more than enough to show "substantial evidence" of Graves' misbehavior and malfeasance.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    Met him at the Draper Days festival.
    Abrasive, unfriendly, arrogant.
    I hope he takes their direction and quits.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Dec. 13, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    Bullying behavior does not stop until someone takes decisive action. I wrote this before, and my comments were rejected so I am rewording them. However, I do sincerely believe the only way to stop intimidating and threatening behavior is for enough people to protest vehemently and persistently.

  • bill in af American Fork, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    Having met the man at a candidate meet and greet, I am amazed he got elected in the first place. It seems the position of Utah County Commissioner has had its fair share of questionable elected officials in recent years for being just a 3 person board. Maybe it is time to look at a change in the system. Another fine example of how county delegates have failed the representative democracy system again.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 4:33 a.m.

    He should have never been elected in the first place. emb

  • Strider303 American Fork, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:56 p.m.

    Dump the archaic commission form of government. Create a, part-time, five to seven person commission who elects their leader (mayor, president, whatever). The commission hires a professional public administrator to run the county.

    The commission makes policy, cuts ribbons on openings and rides in cars in parades. The full-time administrator and staff carry out policy.

    A county commission is a holdover from the 19th century.

  • AGPennypockets Provo, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:49 p.m.

    Find a new gig Graves.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:31 p.m.

    "For the "reputation of the county" and the Utah County Republican GOP, Graves' resignation is needed, Thurston said."

    While I agree 100% that Graves is unfit and should resign, " the "reputation of the county" and the Utah County Republican GOP," ship has sailed long ago. How many articles about the Utah County GOP and their infantile behavior, has the D-News published in the last year? From the reports of Graves' behavior, he's a perfect fit for leadership.

  • Sad Sack Hurricane, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:21 p.m.

    "Bramble said he thinks lawmakers will discuss a new law but he doesn't know if a solution can be found without creating a law that could potentially be used as a political weapon."

    I don't know either Bramble, or Graves. But it seems to me that all of the charges and allegations alleged against Graves could be used as a "political weapon."

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 7:30 p.m.

    "Bramble said he thinks lawmakers will discuss a new law but he doesn't know if a solution can be found without creating a law that could potentially be used as a political weapon."

    Could it be any worse than the current political process?

    Don't get me wrong. Graves sounds like a jerk. Or at least 15 government employees think he is a jerk.

    Has he behaved so badly that there are grounds for criminal charges? What about subordinates or coworkers having legitimate claims for hostile workplace compensation?

    Lots of people are unpleasant or difficult to work with or for. Has this guy crossed the line between unpleasant and actually creating a hostile workplace, assault, or some other actionable conduct? Political or personal disagreement doesn't cross the line.

    I can find 15 people who would say that Bramble, or Herbert, or any other elected official is unpleasant to work with. That doesn't mean any should be forced from office.

    Maybe Graves has crossed the line. But mere allegations shouldn't be enough to force a duly elected official out. File suit, file charges, file a formal complaint with an employment board.

    We can't afford to lose due process in this nation.