Democrat Jones wins stunning red-state Alabama Senate upset

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  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    The crazy, altRight wing of the GOP brought this on themselves. Last night the Tide turned against Populist nonsense driven by Bannon, Hannity, FoxNews et al. The shape of things to come.

    Note that 18-30 year old voters voted for Jones almost 3:1, minorities 4:1. The GOP is losing the groups that are the future and fastest growing, by their own hypocrisy.

    #TrumpNeverMoore

  • Yar Springville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    @Yorkshire

    “An unwanted Democrat running.
    An unwanted Republican running.”

    Of course that’s assuming it from a republican point of view but still accurate nonetheless.

    “If there had been a wonderful and moral Republican running in Alabama, this would have been absolutely no contest.”

    Or at the very least, the GOP would’ve had a better chance. I don’t know if Doug would’ve still won or not, but at least there would’ve been more incentive to consider the GOP side.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    Hatch lucked out on this one. Now he doesn’t have to explain his earlier support of an accused child molester to aid his beloved party. However, if he joins in with the party leaders and refuses to seat Jones until after the tax vote, that may be the last straw for Utah voters as they say “goodbye Orrin.”

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    @Yorkshire: "If there had been a wonderful and moral Republican running in Alabama, this would have been absolutely no contest."

    There was a wonderful and moral Democrat running, a man with a strong law and order record from his years as a prosecutor, a strong record of upholding the Constitution, a man known for working with all people in the community, a man active in his church.

    And he won.

    



  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    @Yorkshire - Logan, UT --

    If there had been a wonderful and moral Republican running in Alabama, this would have been absolutely no contest.
    ---

    There was a candidate that may have had greater support from the rank and file GOP membership, Luther Strange.

    The Republicans who voted in the primaries chose Moore.

    Strange supported such GOP favored goals of state supported discrimination in regard to sexual orientation, as well as limiting or eliminating social support for the needed, and temporary Senator, will probably vote for the Wealthy Relief Tax Initiative.

    And he probably could have mustered a Republican vote to win the day.

    This is what we on the so called Left have been pointing out. If the Bannon and Co. or Trump and Co. are so extreme to the rank and file Republicans, they sure are not showing it by who they vote for in the various elections since Trump's win.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    @ Yorkshire

    Jones wasn't an unwanted candidate by Dems and other liberals. He had strong support among them.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    The people of Alabama have spoken, and I see a future senator that is going to be reaching-across-the-aisle, as Alabama “test drives” him for the next 2 years. I hope he serves the Nation, and his State well.

    Wonder if “someone” will create a rigged (not) election conspiracy. LOL.

  • Yorkshire Logan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    I think the true issue -- and real shame here--- is the very same as it was in the Presidential Election.

    Only 2 choices.

    An unwanted Democrat running.
    An unwanted Republican running.

    If there had been a wonderful and moral Republican running in Alabama, this would have been absolutely no contest.

  • taking a stand for truth Lehi, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 11:44 a.m.

    I applaud the relatively few Republicans of Alabama who had the integrity to do the right thing in this case instead of the masses who, in spite of overwhelming accusations that appeared credible, voted the party ticket. Congratulations!

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 13, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    Re: Editorial decisions on the part of Deseret News.

    Why would one have a picture of the loser in a hotly contested race, rather than the winner.

    One would think we, the reading public, have seen enough of Moore to last a lifetime, and would perhaps like to have an image of the winner to wrap up the coverage.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 13, 2017 10:49 a.m.

    @Egyptian origins --

    Character assassination has become the ruling method of Trump and Co. and by extension the GOP.

    We have heard ad infinitum about 'killer' Hillary, or 'where's the emails', and this after the FBI and any number of Congressional investigations into the Clintons, with not one charge being brought to court.

    And of course one would like candidate to speak to the issues not the 'man' or 'woman'... but if the Republicans did present their plan for the future, they'd have to publicize how they are going to give tax bonuses to the wealthy, eliminate those who are need from social support rolls, and promote discriminatory practices, often under the banner of 'religious freedom'.

    With these generally unacceptable goals, it is much easier to engage in a character assassination campaign than actually present to the voters the real GOP agenda, which is more wealth to the wealthy, less support to those in need, and a kick in the teeth for those in the middle.

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Dec. 13, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    Joyfully - American Fork, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:01 p.m.

    Hardly a "stunning upset." He won by 1.1%, with only about 25% voter turnout.

    ======

    You are right, Jones won by a mere 1.1%
    Hardly a blow out by the numbers,
    but considering Alabama is 70+% Republican and has not voted for a Democrat is 60 years -- yes, this is quite extraordinary.

    BTW -- a truly "stunning upset" is like when Hillary Clinton won by even more at 2.1+% of the vote and Donald Trump still managed to be President.
    America and the World - utterly stunned and upset!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 13, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    @Gary O... I am soooo glad I was wrong. You can't even imagine.

    Two reasons. It shows that by a narrow margin, decency won the day. Second, that there are Republicans that will vote conscience over party.... and that is an amazingly positive thing.

    Trump did support the other guy first.... not sure how Moore even won a spot on the ticket. But I am most pleased that this was a rebuke of Bannonism, and the crowd that believes such nastiness is excusable. Seems enough Republicans finally stood up to that crowd.

    Go Alabama.

    @Anti -your segregationist comments.... most southern democrats of that time were far more conservative than even you. Let's not play games with titles... they meant little at that time. Southerners in general were against equal rights - republican and democrat....... and don't forget..... a good part of Utah did and still does associate themselves with "Dixie". That rock your throwing at the south can come boomeranging right back to Utah, which was a Slave state, and many with those attitudes still persist in this fine state.

  • utahcoyote Saint George, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 9:04 a.m.

    perhaps most surprising thing about the jones ' victory was that it was against a candidate that mainstream media behemoth fox news supported 24/7. moore obviously was a very flawed candidate.

    much made about trump supporting moore, but it should be noted that trump actually supported the person moore beat in the gop primary. not sure this election was a reflection on trump at all, for that reason. trump was going to support the gop candidate in the end, no matter who it was.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    After congratulations and a sigh of relief (I did not predict this), let me highlight something for libs that should be obvious now but may take some calling out.

    It should be obvious now that candidates with historical baggage, deserved or not (my opinion Hillary Clinton), are going to have a difficult time in this environment.

    It's time to honor, thank, and say a transitional goodbye to old leadership. Nancy, Chuck, Joe, Hillary, Bill etc. The visceral baggage is just too great, and the calcification /hardening of policy approaches too extreme.

    It's time for someone on the left who can actually speak a traditional workers language, understanding the extreme danger of wealth inequality and at the same time know workers want work, and the challenges of that in todays economy.

    Someone who can do that and still vehemently pursue the civil and moral rights of all our citizens.

    Celebrate today, but don't be fooled by the opportunity. It won't last long.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:47 a.m.

    @Joyfully: "Hardly a "stunning upset." He won by 1.1%, with only about 25% voter turnout."

    Alabama hasn't elected a Democrat Senator for a quarter of a century.

    Trump won Alabama by 62%.

    Black turn-out was very high - partly because of Senator Jones' history of prosecuting Klansmen, but primarily because of concerted effort to get out the vote.

    GOTV had official opposition with voting locations in black neighborhoods closed or moved at the last minute, voter purges in black precincts, inadequate number of machines in black precincts causing long waits, among other games.

    The NAACP examined old - and not effective - GOTV efforts and developed new approaches thatare highly effective, and coordinated with local groups with stunning results.

    Considering Alabama's history and recently stepped up efforts to disenfranchise people of color, this was a historic win and huge game-changer going into 2018.

    The Women's March protests resulted in renewed focus and energy, flipping the Virginia House of Delegates and other seats in 2017.

    This is the next step. We will save our Constitutional Republic from the right-wing theocratic political machine serving the Oligarchy.

    



  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:43 a.m.

    This is the first bit of optimism I have felt since Trump's election (not getting carried away though). With Jones' victory it will be a little harder for the Republicans to trash my social security and medicare!

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:40 a.m.

    By not following the Constitution we are now in the greatest crisis this nation has ever faced. Our government allows public opinion to decide criminal guilt or innocence of electoral candidates rather than the required speedy Trial by Jury of Peers process. We as a nation allow accusations to fly unchecked without pursuit in the Justice Courts. Lives and reputations are destroyed without ever really knowing the truth. This new Judicial Process is not just dividing our Nation but is the main threat to our Nation collapsing. And guess what? This process is Democracy by definition. We are supposed to be a Republic not a Democracy and what is happening in our Elections is why we need to be a Republic. Congratulations to Jones for winning but a Republic is not supposed to have Parties in the first place. Alabama was forced to choose the Democrat to keep the Republican out and it was still close. Will Moore's accusers still pursue their accusations in the Courts? Will we ever learn the truth of Moore's guilt or innocence to know if Alabama made the right choice? Will we still have a Nation left?

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 6:09 a.m.

    The Roy Moore fiasco will forever stain Alabama, Donald Trump and the Republican Party in Washington DC. They can't escape their initial condemnation and their ultimate surrender and support all done in the name of "party". Taxpayers should forever mark and beware of all those slick operatives, ie: Mitch Mc Connell and Paul Ryan, who honored their political party before truth and morality . Especially those operatives here in Utah . The Southern Evangelicals willingly abandoned lost their innocence and spiritual high ground in a bold and deplorable way by their undying support for Roy Moore. They will never again be able to raise the morality standard for their issues. The evangelicals will now be known for their adoration of the Party above and beyond their moral compass.T This is what you get when you mix religion with politics. In the end politics will comtaminate all that dare to mingle. Faith is the bastion of religious freedom. Truth should be the bastion of the politics in a Christian country. Prevarication , avarice and wealth are the norm in politics and business and will be the doom of our capitalistic society.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 5:59 a.m.

    When Democrats win an election: "It's stunning rebuke of the president himself. It surely clears the path to taking back Congress and the White House. It's the end of the GOP as we know it".

    When Democrats lose an election: "We wuz robbed!!!"

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Dec. 13, 2017 5:37 a.m.

    Wow, wow, wow, what a fantastic Christmas present to the nation.
    However, this is only a small step in regaining sanity, decency and stability in our country.

    Thank you Alabama!!

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Dec. 13, 2017 5:06 a.m.

    Decency won. And that necessarily means that Trump and Bannon lost.

    Thank you, Alabama. I knew we still had it in us.

  • FanOf"ChuckARama" Vernal, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 4:59 a.m.

    Can someone tell Moore that no mo(o)re belly aching about loosing and to please concede? LOL!

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 4:35 a.m.

    The people have spoken. Alabama is not the same place Dr. King spoke of so many years ago. emb

  • RJohnson Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2017 1:46 a.m.

    @Anti Bush-Obama

    "Once a segregationist state always a segregationist state. Geroge Wallace would be proud because his party won."

    Having become a born-again Christian in the 70's, admitting that his segregationist policies were wrong, publicly asking forgiveness from the African American community, and taking action to appoint a record number of blacks to state positions during his last term as Governor, I suspect he would be mighty proud of what happened in Alabama today.

  • kmike las vegas, NV
    Dec. 12, 2017 11:01 p.m.

    Now that Sen Jones is the new Senator from Alabama, it is time for him to take his place in Washington.
    Mitch McConnell has vowed not to seat Sen Jones until after the "Tax Scam" Vote.
    Now is the Time for Utah's Sen Hatch to grow a Conscience and put pressure on Sen McConnell to do his job.
    Luther Strange is no Longer the Temp Senator from Alabama,

    Welcome to the U.S. Senate Doug Jones.

  • Anti Bush-Obama , 00
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:51 p.m.

    My logic says we won’t hear another peep out moores accusers. They will now fade into oblivion.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:06 p.m.

    Doug Jones made sure the last of the murderers of Addie Mae Collins, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson and Carol Denise McNair at the 16th Street Baptist Church faced justice.

    Black voters were instrumental in sending him to the US Senate tonight.

    Time for all of us true patriot Americans to mobilize and do the same - vote the racists and bigots and religious wing-nuts out.

    Thank you Senator Jones, and thank you great Americans who voted for a good man tonight.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:04 p.m.

    Congrats Senator Jones! Thank you to a true American Sen. Shelby, for standing up for decency. I truly did not see this coming. I thought that no matter how flawed Roy Moore was, Alabama would not elect Doug Jones or any Democrat. This is only a first round knockdown in what will be a long hard fight to win back decency and common sense for our nation. But I’m feeling something tonight that I haven’t felt in many months—-namely, less horrified.

  • Joyfully American Fork, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:01 p.m.

    Hardly a "stunning upset." He won by 1.1%, with only about 25% voter turnout. Many GOP stayed home, as I would have done. In 2 years, Alabama will no doubt choose a conservative candidate again.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:54 p.m.

    I disagree with the choice some people made to vote for Roy Moore because he has been removed as a judge twice, doesn't understand the constitution, and is by definition a bigot.

    That doesn't mean it is okay to make fun of the people of Alabama. That is rude and uncalled for. I loved living in the south and the opportunity to get to know the generous, good people and the culture. We need to respect everyone.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:52 p.m.

    I'll gladly take the win. The sad part is that 48% of Alabamian's voted for Moore and his sketchy stalker past.

  • Anti Bush-Obama , 00
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    Once a segregationist state always a segregationist state. Geroge Wallace would be proud because his party won.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    Supporters of Trump should realize its the man himself holding him back from accomplishing his agenda. He is who he’s always been. Listen to the Howard Stern tapes, watch the Billy Bush video or just objectively listen to his current, rude, crude comments. He does not represent the America our parents worked so hard to give us.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:47 p.m.

    Mitt suggested early on that the RNC should step away from Roy Moore and that he should step down.

    Donald Trump played politics and went all in on Moore. So instead of taking the high ground he went low and damaged the Republican Party even more.

    Romney was right on Russia. He was right on Trump. And he was right on Moore.

    Of course Moore still won a higher percent of the popular vote than Trump. But in Alabama that makes you the loser.

    2018 is not going to be good for Republicans thanks to Trump. Sad year to be a true conservative. Unless Romney takes Utah and then starts to shake things up in DC.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:44 p.m.

    It is a positive outcome, for sure. Sad it's so close; accused child stalker should be more of a detriment than so called values voters make it.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:35 p.m.

    You don't prey on young teenage girls and then quote God and scripture in your election loss. Have Republicans not figured out people in general are fed up with that cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy?

  • Yar Springville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:31 p.m.

    Serves the GOP right for trying to elect a pervert to the senate. Seriously guys. Next time you nominate someone, let’s see you actually use someone who actually has integrity.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:28 p.m.

    This vote shows that the United States is a country where character still counts for the majority of people. Alabama chose country over party and I'm grateful and relieved.

    And kudos to President Trump for a gracious tweet to Doug Jones. Tomorrow will be another day of tweeting in his usual style, but for today I'm going to enjoy it.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:20 p.m.

    It would seem that the Republican Party will still be burdened with the image of President Trump even without Moore. Moore's negative issues will not be going away anytime soon. President Trump will just have inherited them to carry the same issues into next year's Congressional elections.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:20 p.m.

    Dreams do come true!

    Congratulations to the people of Alabama and Doug Jones!

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:17 p.m.

    Moore, Trump, Bannon and their cynical enablers in the GOP have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:04 p.m.

    Doug Jones for President! Make America reasonable again.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:59 p.m.

    Taking back America! Is a beautiful thing!

    The haters are in trouble now.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:58 p.m.

    The voters of Alabama have spoken. I hope they are pleased with the results.

    I hope this seat isn't the deciding vote in being able to get another originalist on the court, but instead having to settle for a "moderate."

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:55 p.m.

    How Sweet It Is!

    God Bless Doug Jones.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:51 p.m.

    @thid
    Maybe you should read my post again. I am well aware of how the elctorial college works and my point remains the unchanged. The elctorial college is fundentallty flawed. It gives a disperportjional weight to the votes of people in low population states.

    Btw how you liking the Jones win?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:51 p.m.

    I have hope, again, for our country, for our Republic, for our people, for our families.

    The mid-terms will be epic.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:49 p.m.

    @Barker, @Vanceone, @Worf, @Cactus Pete, @Rifleman, @Richards, @No Names, Etc.

    Good evening fellow posters. In the deepest, most ruby red of states the American people have clearly said “no more” to Trump and his enabling faction! Have a wonderful rest of your evening. Happy Holidays! #NoMoore!

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:44 p.m.

    Thank you Alabama for using your common sense and making a case for decency and a high moral standard for our elected officials.

    Setting the standard for the rest of us.

  • Lets check the facts Santa Fe, NM
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:42 p.m.

    I was hoping he'd win and then immediately resign. Now we are even worse off. :(

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:41 p.m.

    Thank You Citizens of Alabama!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:39 p.m.

    Who's the poster here that loves to quote Jackie Gleason? "How Sweet It Is"
    Yes, yes it is. A good first step in correcting our country's misstep.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:39 p.m.

    A stunning victory for Doug Jones but more importantly, a victory for integrity, dignity, and character!

    What a humiliating defeat for Trump and Steve Bannon. The 2018 Democratic tidal wave has now started and the velocity is building.

    All the enablers who propped up Roy Moore need to take a serious look in a mirror. If you do, civilized society will probably welcome you back.

  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    The low information, enabling, non college educated, alt-right extremists will unfortunately continue on attempting to defend the indefensible, while hiding behind the guise of God, family values and religion. What a complete sham! You all have the unmitigated gall to defend a clear child predator! Defend militants which took up arms on federal land and vote for man which clearly has no moral compass in the least! Therefore let us all rejoice that a child predator will likely win and then swiftly be removed once an ethics investigation occurs. Let us rejoice in the comparison of “murdering children to marrying homosexuals”. (How repulsive!) Let us all rejoice regarding the daily tweets sent out from the Supreme Leader demeaning women with ongoing misogyny. Let us all rejoice at his mocking of the disabled. Let us all rejoice as he now faces his own accusations (which he has previously admitted). Let us all rejoice at his embarrassing approval ratings of 32% which are declining hourly! After all we’ll scream “fake news” in order to justify the ongoing embarrassment. Let us all rejoice because the African American is no longer President. Pathetic! Country before party comrades!

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    The low information, enabling, non college educated, alt-right extremists will unfortunately continue on attempting to defend the indefensible, while hiding behind the guise of God, family values and religion. What a complete sham! You all have the unmitigated gall to defend a clear child predator! Defend militants which took up arms on federal land and vote for man which clearly has no moral compass in the least! Therefore let us all rejoice that a child predator will likely win and then swiftly be removed once an ethics investigation occurs. Let us rejoice in the comparison of “murdering children to marrying homosexuals”. (How repulsive!) Let us all rejoice regarding the daily tweets sent out from the Supreme Leader demeaning women with ongoing misogyny. Let us all rejoice at his mocking of the disabled. Let us all rejoice as he now faces his own accusations (which he has previously admitted). Let us all rejoice at his embarrassing approval ratings of 32% which are declining hourly! After all we’ll scream “fake news” in order to justify the ongoing embarrassment. Let us all rejoice because the African American is no longer President. Pathetic! Country before party comrades!

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:47 p.m.

    Democrats recently held a "Scream at the sky" day. Where they got together and, well, screamed at the sky. It rained on them in response, as I recall.

    And Hutterite says they are the party of sanity?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    @Vanceone
    [You have to love the leftists here: "At the end of the day, morals and integrity count! That's why you have to vote Democrat..."

    How much lightning are you guys dodging for that blatant lie?]

    Not as much as Trump does on an average day ending in y.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:39 p.m.

    Moore will win as he should.

    1-Politically timed allegations are not proof. This conduct is from 40 years ago but only comes to light in the very narrow window between Moore winning the Primary and holding the general election? That is just too convenient not to be deliberate partisanship on the part of the media.

    2-Both sides are play games. The Democrats and their media allies protect Sen. Menendez who is actually under federal indictment because his resignation would let GOP Governor Christe replace him with a Republican. It is only fair that the GOP not hand over a GOP-safe seat to a Democrat.

    3-The Democrats didn't even try to run a credible candidate here. Doug Jones in pro-abortion, anti-gun, and has insulted his State and constituents as "an embarrassment".

    After Moore is elected, the Senate Ethics Committee ought to commence a full investigation and determine whether Moore even violated any laws or otherwise sexually harassed or assaulted anyone. Expel him if necessary. And hold another election where the Republican candidate is likely to win.

    Sad game we are all in right now. But raw power is all that matters because we are right and the other side is evil.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:23 p.m.

    @Common Sense Guy

    Your comment...

    Just a question, because it hasn't been discussed in the media. How common was it for men to date younger women in Rural Alabama 40 years ago? I am not defending any actions. It is just a question. I just wonder why it has not been discussed.

    My response...

    "Dating" younger women...

    I guess you would have to define "dating".

    @Patsy...

    Your comment addressed abortion and homosexuality.

    My response...

    Ronald Reagan is a Republican Icon.

    Ronald Reagan signed into law an abortion bill that lead to the deaths of over 2,000,000 babies.

    Ronald Reagan had a son who is gay.

    Following the terminology/logic of your comment...

    Voting for a Godless Ronald Reagan was out of the question.

    Yet... millions of Republicans voted for a Godless Ronald Reagan.

    Millions more define their politics by invoking the name of a Godless Ronald Reagan.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    We could sure use a democrat in there. They're the sane voice in this race, and the nation. The politics of fear and division are getting real tired. And Moore, with all his 'my values trump your rights' approach, is a despicable person even before you address the sex assault issues.

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    IMHO -- I'd like to see Doug Jones win.

    However,
    I will be even happier if Roy Moore wins.

    What better way to drag down 50 - 100 Republicans,
    than having an alleged pedophile in the Senate and a sexist, misogynist President under his own sexual abuse investigations at the top of their ticket going into the mid-term elections next year....

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    You have to love the leftists here: "At the end of the day, morals and integrity count! That's why you have to vote Democrat..."

    How much lightning are you guys dodging for that blatant lie? Morals and integrity and Democrats are like oil and water, cats and dogs, positive and negative. They only exist when there's a negative in the same sentence.

    After all, this is the party that lauds Ted Kennedy as a hero; that ran Bill Clinton and then his rapist defending wife; the party of Al Franken and Bob Menendez. And you leftists think you can claim morality and integrity? Pah-leeze! The party of Matt Lauer and Harvey Weinstein and Roman Polanski has zero room to talk about integrity and morality.

    And indeed, you haven't. How many times have we heard the left scream about "Christian theocracy!!" every time someone says politicians should be moral? The left tells Republicans they are Christian fundamentalists all the time. And now you claim you are the party of morality? Yeah, right. Unless you mean the morals of Moloch and Baal, of Sodom and Gomorrah? Ok, I'll buy that.

  • Flying Finn Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 1:41 p.m.

    @GaryO - Virginia Beach, VA

    "Gary says Jones will win . . . By 12 points."
    There was a time when Mrs. Bill Clinton wondered aloud why she wasn't ahead 50 points.

    Apparently the liberals are finding out that their efforts to smear Mr. Moore didn't play out the way they'd hoped.

    I can understand your frustration.

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 1:13 p.m.

    The same "Basket of deplorables", as Hillary Clinton refers to them, that voted for President Trump will help elect Roy Moore. At the end of the day the liberals will be beside themselves with frustration that the people in Alabama won't buy what they are trying to sell.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 12, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    Tolstoy: Surely you know Presidents are not elected by popular vote but by electoral college! What that election meant is that voters in 60% of the states didn't really vote FOR Donald Trump, the voted AGAINST liberalism! No matter who was on the opposite side of the ballot, the election results would have been the same! In other words, Donald Trump is POTUS today because liberalism was rejected in 30 out of the 50 states! This concludes the lesson for today!

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 12:58 p.m.

    Appropriate picture for sure

  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    @patriot "Voting for a godless , Socialist Democrat is out of the question "

    This is the man who prosecuted the murderers of 4 little girls in a church. Shame on you!

  • Common Sense Guy Richfield, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    Just a question, because it hasn't been discussed in the media. How common was it for men to date younger women in Rural Alabama 40 years ago? I am not defending any actions. It is just a question. I just wonder why it has not been discussed.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    Judge Roy Moore graduated from West Point and then went on into the service, served in Vietnam and then came back and was in law school. All of the ladies, or many of the ladies that he possibly could have married were not available then, they were already married, maybe, somewhere. So he looked in a different direction and always with the [permission of the] parents of younger ladies. By the way, the lady he's married to now, Ms. Kayla, was a younger woman," Benham said on WAPI 99.5 FM Monday evening. “He did that because there is something about a purity of a young woman, there is something that is good, that's true, that's straight and he looked for that. -- Flip Benham

    "there is something about a purity of a young woman," sounds just like Warren Jeffs, "keeping sweet" language.

    Then again the GOP supported Hastert, and our own Hot Tubbing leader, who got a standing ovation.

    Sorry Patriot, yelling "baby killers" doesn't justify you and yours supporting pedephiles.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Dec. 12, 2017 12:25 p.m.

    Hey Rifleman -

    Re: "Yes, Utah Girl, these are the "Basket Of Deplorables" Hillary Clinton was referring to . . . "

    Not the whole basket, just part of it.

    Hey Utah Blue Devil -

    Re: "People for the most part will vote party line..... regardless. Moore will win. "

    I'm not so sure about that. But then again, I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy.

    I say Jones will win . . . By 12 points.

    Do you see what faith of I have in the better instincts of Alabamians?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 12:24 p.m.

    "character will always win the day." I wish I shared your optimism Utah Chronicle Girl but given last year election and the great likelihood Moore will win todays election I do not see much hope for the future of people of Character or reason returning to office anytime soon.

    @thid
    once again ignoring the fact that the majority of Americans actually voted against Trump and focusing on the fact that low population states voted for Trump does not really speak to a self correction as much as a problem with our election system were a vote in a states like WY holds so much more weight then a vote in a high population states like NY.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 12:13 p.m.

    what's worse -- murdering children and marrying homosexuals (both sins) OR swallowing hard to vote for someone who "may" have done bad things to under age women? The Moore alligations are sketchy it seems especially with this latest revelation that the year book was fabricated by the woman herself. To me its really simple. Voting for a godless , Socialist Democrat is out of the question if you are a Christian so Moore is the only choice. I suspect if he is elected he will undergo a full senate investigation into the alligations as he should. If Chirstians stay home they are voting for the Democrat in effect.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    @ Rifleman

    "Are you suggesting that they aren't smart enough to vote?"

    Not suggesting that at all. There will be a time very soon when the good people of Green Pea, Alabama realize it will take more to get Republican candidates elected than quoting Bible verses and waving a gun around. Character means something. Despite projection and other assorted Republican diversionary tricks, character will always win the day.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 12, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    Rifleman

    Are you looking to get into internet fights?

    A commenter made a reference to so oddly named small towns in Alabama whose citizenry will stand by former Judge Moore till the cows come home. We all know that. It's not exactly a big secret that many rural residents in Alabama are diehards for Moore, the fundamentalist Christian.

    And somehow you turn that self evident fact into a "but Hillary!" comment. Why turn a fact into a fight? Do the people on the Right spend all day looking for slights and insults? (Hint: look to the presidential example for the right answer)

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 11:25 a.m.

    Is it a coincidence or not that Alabama has one of the lowest ratings of education and literacy levels in their citizens out of all our states -- second from the bottom. Only Mississippi scores lower.

    Perhaps that might help explain support for moore.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    @Utah Girl Chronicles - Eagle Mountain, UT says: "the state has hundreds of isolated hamlets with names like "Green Pea" and "Red Scab"."

    Yes, Utah Girl, these are the "Basket Of Deplorables" Hillary Clinton was referring to. Are you suggesting that they aren't smart enough to vote?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:49 a.m.

    UtahBlueDevil - I rarely agree with you but I thank you for your excellent and accurate comment! Merry Christmas to you and yours!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:20 a.m.

    People for the most part will vote party line..... regardless. Moore will win. Tired of the drama around this. Republicans will give him the benefit of doubt and call the women liars. Democrats will doubt him for ever and consider him a man of low morals - or at least used to be.

    The funny things we've seen in the past is those that profess and pound the pulpits the loudest, often are those that have the most to hide as well. Not always.... but it is not totally unusual either. The louder the protestations - the more hidden problems there are.

    Lets hope for all these allegation are not true.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:13 a.m.

    We need to realize while Alabama has progressive-minded voters in urban areas, the state has hundreds of isolated hamlets with names like "Green Pea" and "Red Scab". Those rural voters are indignant that anyone would even challenge Roy Moore.

    If he is elected, it's not hard to envision Senate leadership instructing Roy Moore to hide out in the Senate coatroom until the moment his vote is needed and whatever you do, don't be talking into any media microphones.

    In addition, consider legally changing your name to something less divisive and incendiary, some like .... "Doug Jones" perhaps.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    @Cactus Pete
    A narrow win in a state the GOP normally wins by 20+ points while electing an embarrassment that has many in the GOP refusing to seat him... that's your idea of a momentum boost?

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    one old man - Ogden, UT

    Unfortunately you will be even more nauseated when you see the election results. The majority of the people in Alabama didn't by the Democrat's smear campaign which was designed to discredit President Trump. This will have momentum as the 2018 election cycle gets underway.

    The voters in Alabama just weren't buying what the Democrats were trying to sell.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    "voters in 2018 will make the self-correction."
    That election actually already happened in the last national election when 30 out of 50 states (60%) rejected liberalism! 2018 will be more of the same!

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:27 a.m.

    Moore has been removed from being a judge twice for refusing to follow the constitution.

    We can hope that the people of Alabama will make the reasonable choice but this is the state who elected George Wallace so I dont have much hope...or respect for the state.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 8:10 a.m.

    This is absolutely nauseating. The trouble is that the GOP itself is doing nothing to clean its own pig pen.

    Make America Sane (and Safe) Again

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 12, 2017 7:42 a.m.

    Suburban moms may vote for Doug Jones, as the pundits say, but the reality is Alabama is a very rural, anti-abortion state. Roy Moore not campaigning very much shows the arrogance Republicans relate with. In the end however, voters in 2018 will make the self-correction.