A model of how the state of Utah gains title to federal lands?Tucked
away on the very last page of Rep. Chris Stewart's ‘‘Grand
Staircase Escalante Enhancement Act’’ is this little bit:SEC. 14. HOLE IN THE ROCK ROAD.The Secretary shall convey to the State
of Utah all right, title and interest of the United States in and to the Hole in
the Rock Road (BLM Road 200).
Guess it would be too much to expect of the Utah delegation to propose N.P
Status for both monuments with boundaries as previously defined.
Rickydee says:"This land belongs to Utah not the Federal
government."Which is simply factually wrong. I wonder where he
got such a provably wrong idea? All the land we are talking about is
federal. The Utah constitution forbids any claim to this land.
Why bother? So the next bought and paid for politician can just undo it? Chris Stewart works for his 'donors', not us. Stop electing
these self important career politicians. Reelect no one, ever.
Politics should not be a career.
A lot of pickle-sucking here from respondents, none of which have traversed the
former areas included in such vast areas of sagebrush and desert. One floated
the river 80 miles. Whoopee. You are arguing on preserving desert
for the most part. The reduction this week still keeps the best parts. Get
over it and hey... go visit it. Don't whine over that which you don't
even visit.Go find a better cause. Otherwise you might as well
write your congressmen/women to include the entire west as a national monument,
because there is beauty in all of it. But that does not justify turning it into
a national monument.
This is a wolf in sheep’s clothing type of event. The Antiquities go away
and a trailer park sized National Park is only talk. The former Presidents
didn’t make these Monuments in a vacuum. Orrin May have been caught off
guard but Clinton had the Monica event going on.Utah has plenty of
its own State land that it cannot manage. This sounds good but it is still
Federal Land. Is the United States in debt to the Russians for this land grab?
TOO littlt, too late.
It appears that our legislators are finally thinking “outside the
box” here and looking for a sustainable future for our lands. Not just a
Actually Ricky, the land is not "Utah's" land. The land was
federal before the monuments were reduced and are federal after. Utah does not
control these lands.
My only suggestion is that it be named after Ronald Reagan."Ronald
Reagan National Park".He was truly a Great President and a Man of the
West.Escalante was only briefly passing through....
This land belongs to Utah not the Federal government.If Utah wants to
develop it then so be it. If you want it left alone then you can attempt
to purchase it and do with it as you please.
Airnaut, Have you never been to: - Snow Canyon- Goblin
Valley- Dead Horse Point- Goose Neck- Antelope Island-
Kodachrome Basin- Coral Pink Sand Dunes- Edge of the Cedars Those are all State managed lands. I've been to all of them.
Multiple times. They are every bit as wonderful as the National Parks. And in
some cases more spectacular.
Every time I think of Utah controlled lands, I think of Beck Street, the I-15 corridor, Point of the Mountain, Kennecott, and the
Refineries....Every time I think of Federal controlled lands, I
think of the NATIONAL Parks Capitol ReefBryce CanyonCanyonlandsArchesZionsthe NATIONAL Forests [Uinta-Wasatch-Cache, Ashley, Fish Lake, Dixie, Manti-La Sal]and the National Monuments -- [Rainbow Bridge, Bears Ears, Grand Staircase
Escalante, Cedar Breaks, Dinosaur, Glen Canyon and Hovenweep ]I've been to all of them.Obama did the right thing -- Trump did the wrong thing.
Interesting comments about how making a national park makes for crowds of
tourists, I thought you people were arguing that these national monument
designations were economically harmful?
@patriot - Cedar Hills, UT". . . . . . What in the world are visitors
going to travel far and wide to see? What is so unique or spectacular? This is
very ordinary south eastern Utah country and nothing more. This is
silly."- - - - -The only thing that is silly are your comments
concerning some of the most unique, pristine and beautiful lands in the world,
lands that you have obviously never seen nor visited.
With respect to Grand Staircase, just give me back the monument the way it was,
intact, and in one piece.
I see daily what unregulated access to our lands creates, such as countless ATV
trails on blue clay hills which then erode, glass and even a car dragged out to
a beautiful campsite and used for target practice and left for others to
"enjoy", trash from Easter weekend, Buckhorn Wash
pictographs/petroglyphs vandalized and shot up, etc. Nine Mile Canyon, preserved
for eons, is now experiencing more damage from pollution and vandalism. Monument designation helped curtail excesses in Bears Ears and Grand
Staircase-Escalante by restricting unlimited access to fragile ecosystems.
We'll have to see how this goes, but at any rate, this battle is just at
the beginning stages.
Whatever Stewart does, he should ensure that there can be no development,
drilling, coal or mineral mining, etc., in the lands that were within the
original description of Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante. Protect the
land from despoilment and pollution. Keep the land safe.
If Stewart wanted to do what is right, he would restore monument status to the
entirety of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante as they were described
prior to Trump's atrocity yesterday.
I really wonder whether Stewart can get something done to fix this mess, because
Bishop, as committee chairman couldn't. I think he was sleeping for six
years. He could have headed off all of this, but for some reason, he failed.
But truthfully, I don't trust Stewart or anyone else in Utah's
delegation. I think they are all bought off one way or another. It does seem
odd that Stewart is willing to spend a lot more of the taxpayers money for this.
Clearly, Republicans have no problem spending money or going further into debt
as long as its for their pet projects.
@PatriotYour comment about Escalante not being unique shows how
misinformed you are. As someone who has floated the 80 river miles to the
reservoir, hiked almost every drainage, and walked many of it's wide open
mesas, it is some of the most jaw dropping beauty I've ever seen,
anywhere. It's not for armchair recreationalist like you see swarming all
over Zions or Arches. It's wilderness with scenery that rivals the Grand
Canyon. On a trip this Fall I was talking with one of the two rangers
who oversee the Monument. He talked about the hordes of people who have come
to the park with the exposure the internet has brought. Many of those visitors
are not prepared for this rugged land and they should limit their exposure to
Calf Creek Falls. If you think it's ordinary, Id' venture you're
not prepared for the challenges its backcountry present. Better to stay at
Great Utah. Destroy the best things about the state (the national parks) just
like you've destroyed the breathable air.
At casual observer - by "both sides" you mean the democrats and who
else? I am a solid republican and I don't support this at all. I want to
use the land as I see fit, no have some national park cop following me around
and telling me where I can camp, where I can ride my ATV, where I can' use
the restroom and what kind of water bottle I have to use along with telling me I
can't have a fire, or a million other restrictions that come with all
national parks. You can keep your national parks and leave a little bit for
those of us who actually want to use the land, rather than falsely enjoy it from
pictures or a guided tour.
@patriotGiven that you don't seem to know where the Grand
Staircase is, how have you been able to arrive at your opinion that it's
not worth visiting?I have been there, love the area, think it's
worth preserving, but am concerned that National Park status would attract too
much attention and development. Why not make it a wilderness area, Chris?
JBs,It shouldn't surprise anyone that land in the Grand Staircase
would one day be nominated for National Park designation. Arches, Zion, Bryce,
Grand Canyon, and many other National Parks were originally designated as
National Monuments.Fact is, no designation (including Wilderness) will
guarantee solitude on public land as our population grows. I would argue that
by creating Monuments, Presidents Clinton and Obama greatly reduced
opportunities for solitude, peace, and quiet in these landscapes.
The government still owns the property, which I am okay with. However, national
park status means no atv riding which is allowed now. I would hate to see that
curtailed. We don't need to expand it, but let's not eliminate other
uses for the land.In addition, brace for the rush of people and all
the garbage they bring.
Irrespective of size or where, a national park is the right methodology.
Monuments should be short-lived designations to allow Congress time to research
the issue and then to pass (or not) permanent protections.The
President (any president) should not have the authority to create monuments
except on a temporary basis.
Sure, but why stop there? Why not have five or six new, smallish national
parks? Perhaps some of the parks could offer nice views of an active coal mine.
Others could have bleachers set up so visitors can watch folks ride their ATVs
on adjacent land.But what happens when someone introduces legislation to
create a 1.9 million acre national park called Grand Staircase-Escalante 2.0 or
the same amount at Bears Ears? What will the Utah delegation do then? Blame
Yvon Chouinard?If tourism is the goal, or even resource protection, then
surely more is more. Go bigly, Mr. Stewart, or go home.
No!! The National Park Service doesn't have enough money to maintain the
parks they have so why on earth would we want to make this un-spectacular part
of south eastern Utah yet another national park and dilute the money pool even
further? A national park is supposed to be pristine in some fashion and
spectacular. Zion, Canyonlands, Arches comes to mind. Yellowstone and Yosemeti
and GrandCanyon also are typical. But this whole grand staircase place is NOT
even close to National Park status. What in the world are visitors going to
travel far and wide to see? What is so unique or spectacular? This is very
ordinary south eastern Utah country and nothing more. This is silly.
Less wildlife protection. Bigger government. More government spending. Hmmm.
Come on airnaut! You are being contrary just because you hate Trump. You should
be thrilled with this. Let's be honest, if Nancy Pelosi was proposing this,
you would be ecstatic.
Any time a landscape is designated as a national park a bunch of bad things
happen. First off hoards of tourists arrive. On top of that a park designation
takes away many management and recreational options that would otherwise be
available, For instance, once a national park, there will be no hunting, no
timber harvest, no livestock grazing, permit only camping and so on. Most of these recreation and management tools are still available if an area
is designated as a monument. Rep. Stewart needs to do his homework and realize
what a bad idea, this idea is.
I'd support this national park, provided that its creation doesn't
include any new roads at all and no paving of current dirt roads.
Let me guess --- Propose a new 'National Park', setting
the boundaries at the new tiny Trump size...
National parks take away from the quiet and serenity of the area. Have you been
to the national parks in tourist season? They're madhouses. And, Mr. Trump
didn't create two new monuments, he reduced the size of existing monuments.
Spin it however you want, Mr. Stewart, you are not helping preserve our lands.
...too late Mr. Chris (Trump enabler syphocant) Stewart.We
want to see you thrown out of office next year.
Well, perhaps I've sold Rep. Stewart short in the past. This is
Great proposal. Both sides of the preservation issue should support a national
park in Grand Staircase-Escalante.
"Another consideration, he said, is the “backpack tax,” a fee on
camping gear similar to the surcharge on ammunition that funds wildlife
management."- - - - -A better idea would be to buy fewer F-35
fighters and a whole lot fewer M1-A1 tanks that the Army and Marines do not
want. Add a "Billionaires Luxury tax" to the current "so called"
tax reform bill.