We are never going to be able to stop all the bullying out there. So, it makes
sense to start from the time kids are little to help to with skills and self
confidence to handle bullying when it does happen so it doesn't destroy
airnaut - Everett, WAYou may be able to convince the people in
Everett, WA that it is all Trump's fault but the rest of us are smarter
than that.What I really don't understand is why the Democrats
chose Hillary Clinton to carry their banner in the 2016 presidential campaign.
Her problem was with trust issues. We saw what was behind her smile when she
had a meltdown on election night that even the liberal press could keep secret.
@airnaut,No one is forced into having $100k in school loans.
Let's quit the blaming.Taking responsibility and building grit
for their lives is the best way to avoid depression.Blaming and
being dependent isn't going to cut it.
airnaut - Everett, WAThe suicide data is from 2011 on. We can be
assured that the decades long problem of suicide will never be helped if it is
blamed on an less than one year elected president. Using political bias to
address this problem indicates that partisanship is more important that human
Utah was 5th highest in 2012 and 4 other highest states were mountain states.
Taking a cell phone away is listed as a possible cause, yet maybe these
smartphones result in more loneliness. Psychologists do have some success in
Wow, it didn't take long for someone to blame this problem on Donald Trump.
If we really want to get serious about solving this disturbing
trend, we need to take a good hard look at what has happened to morals in this
country and how they have been effected by Hollywood, social media, etc. Common sense has all but disappeared. Pop culture mocks Christianity
and refuses to allow Christian beliefs in the public square, and then we wonder
why kids don't value life (including their own).
Few things to consider:- Mental Health is one of the greatest plagues of
our day. Of those who die from suicide, more than 90 percent have a diagnosable
mental disorder. Many youth have mental disorders, but simply have not been
diagnosed. I recommend families learn more about the signs of mental health and
take their youth to a professional if they see any of the signs.- To that
end, Medication can be an enormous blessing and literal life saver. Please
don't shun or be embarrassed by having prescriptions to address mental
health, any more than you would for an Rx to address a heart condition.-
Look into the great work of Dr Doug Gray, the state's foremost expert on
suicide, and founder of Hope Squads in our schools. He quotes stats on high
suicide rates in Nevada, Colorado and Utah and asks, "How do SLC and Las
Vegas have similar cultures?" In other words, suicide rates are high in all
of those states, and culture potentially plays a much smaller role than many are
pre-disposed to believe.- Look into the research of Perry Renshaw, a
neuroscientist from U of U. He's found links between altitude and mental
health issues (NV, CO and UT have high altitudes).Lasly - don't
KatyKay - Roy, UTWhen children from a very early age are taught
basic concepts of morality, honesty, and human decency they grow up with a
feeling of self worth. If youth wants commit suicide and doesn't have
access to a firearm there are a hundred other ways to take their lives. Most
girls for example take pills because they don't want to disfigure
themselves.The basic concept is that when a girl gets a reputation
her feelings of self respect go flying out the window. Kids that chose the more
difficult path that includes morality have strong healthy feelings of self
Recent research in the UK found that teens who smoke cannabis daily are seven
times more likely to commit suicide! Alcohol consumption should be studied
similarly! But some people would discount science and continue to take the risks
AND suffer the unavoidable consequences always believing it won't happen to
them! Heard is all before too many times!
Two of the biggest correlations: households where the victim has access to guns
(most suicides are carried out with firearms), and being in a position where you
feel like you can't talk to anyone/get help. Given that, it does start to
make a LOT more sense that UT is struggling with youth suicide at a much higher
Some reasons for increased suicides: * Moral values taught by
Hollywood and many political leaders.* Popular music. Much of it causes
depression.* Drinking alcohol and taking drugs* Divorced or fighting
parents.* Social media.* Permissiveness* Pressure stemming
from standardized tests.
Do you think you are clever, Clark? We who are members of the LDS Church should
not be so quick to deny some large share of this shameful problem. The
distribution of LGBTQ people is not discriminatory by religion. All humans (and
all mammalian species) have the same distribution of individuals born with
sexual attraction to the same or opposite gender. But all religions do not take
the same hurtful stance toward one segment of this normal distribution of human
characteristics. Very few biological or social scientists are willing to exclude
as a probable cause of Utah's (and other western U.S. states) higher than
expected youth suicide rates the hateful culture toward gays and lesbians found
in our Church. A better way to help is work for change not deny the problem we
This is a very serious problem that deserves much more attention. There are two
things that need to be studied that were not mentioned in the article: 1) Social Media Exposure - Even adults can experience depression after reading
a constant feed of high-points in everyone else's life.2) Work
Ethic - Hard work (not overwork) is good for mental health. Idleness is bad for
mental health. Kids who work hard and serve others in their community learn to
turn outward, have a higher sense of purpose and belonging.
It all starts and ends with the family unit.
Two observations:1-Kids with sexual identity confusion are at
heightened risk of suicide and a host of other problems no matter where they
live. Homosexuals are at higher risk than the general population of drug and
alcohol abuse/addiction, self harm, depression, and suicide in every nation and
culture where I can find reliable data. Rates of these problems vary by
culture, but whatever the culture, homosexuals have higher rates than
heterosexuals. This is true no matter how accepting or protecting of
homosexuals the culture is.This suggests to me that homosexuality is
at least often co-incident with mental health problems.2-Regardless
of sexuality, it is sadly unsurprising that suicide rates are too high. Most of
us live in prosperous, good times. But we are barraged with messages of
doom.I don't like marriage benefits for homosexuals. But it
hasn't ended the world.Neither is Global Warming going to kill
us. Reducing the size of national monuments or electing Donald Trump are not
the end of the world. Neither mass shootings nor terror incidents are a major
threat.But a lot of entities benefit by convincing us that things
are very bad.Things are not bad.
@ClarkHippo:"All together now, 'It's the LDS Church's
fault'"You might have a point. As worf (above) notes,
'Immorality will increase suicide.' But it's not the immorality
that does it. It's being taught that immorality is a dreadful sin. The
guilt of sinfulness is very hard to deal with in some youth and can lead to deep
Airnaut-I have a masters degree. I make A LOT more than $37,000
dollars. I have a modest home and mortgage. Other than this I have no debt.
I was able to pay off more than $75,000 dollars in student loans for my masters
program in less than 5 years. I went to undergrad ( not ivy or high priced
private) on scholarships and worked to pay the rest without taking out loans.
No help from parents other than an occasional place to live when money was low.
I have not been out of school that long.So yes, please have the talk
to me. I can positively tell them that life is good and it can be done.
However, if they choose art history for theirmasters or doctorate degree,
you’re right there is no hope. You can’t expect a doctorate in
anything leads to a good wage. I look forward to the grad invitation.
@Mick - , 00Nov. 30, 2017 2:57 p.m.Airnaut-Give me
a break. Trump has been the president for 11 months. Maybe his 8 year
predecessor’s name should land in your comment.The reality is
that kids do not know how to cope. They have lost this skill. Ask any college
admission counselor. The incoming freshman cannot problem solve or cope. And if
you don’t have these skills, despair may lead to suicidal thoughts and
then actions.======= Give me a break -- I'll
remember your comment at my son and daughter's University graduations with
both a Doctorate and Master's Degrees.Starting at $37,000 a
year, while owing and paying on $100K can't ever buy that small
starter house they worked so hard for....Yes, it's pretty
depressing for our youth....
Immorality is a cause for depression and wrong has become an acceptable
right.IMO. Permissiveness leads to jealousy, feeling of rejection,
loneliness, frustration, confusion, depression, excessive drinking, anger, and
thoughts of suicide.Moral values will decrease suicide.Immorality will increase suicide.
William Faulkner wrote this, back in 1956, about the tragedy of adults who
murder children:"Maybe the purpose of this sorry and tragic
error committed in my native Mississippi by two white adults on an
afﬂicted Negro child is to prove to us whether or not we deserve to
survive. Because if we in America have reached that point in our desperate
culture when we must murder children, no matter for what reason or what color,
we don’t deserve to survive, and probably won’t." The situation
is much worse now, where so many of our children don't wait for someone
else to kill them but sink into the kind of despair that causes them to take
their own lives." This is a very great tragedy, one for which I have no
answer. It doesn't look like anybody else does, either.
Airnaut-Give me a break. Trump has been the president for 11
months. Maybe his 8 year predecessor’s name should land in your
comment.The reality is that kids do not know how to cope. They have
lost this skill. Ask any college admission counselor. The incoming freshman
cannot problem solve or cope. And if you don’t have these skills, despair
may lead to suicidal thoughts and then actions.
The top risk factor for suicide is depression. Generic Prozac
(Fluoxetine) is $10 for a 3 month supply at Walmart.
@airnaut - Everett, WAairnaut says "...I can see and understand the
despair in their lives...."Why don't I see despair in the
lives of the young people in my neighborhood? They do volunteer work, go to
school and get an education, have a plan for their future, don't expect
other people care for them from cradle to grave, and are happy.Do
they each have problems and difficulties? Heck yes. Does solving those
problems and conquering their difficultiles make them stronger? Heck yes.It's all in your attitude. Based on your list of reasons for
despair I'd suggest smelling the roses and start looking for things to be
Let see -- They have no hope for ever having good paying jobs, in addition to $100k in school loans, their country will leave them a
huge debt their parents left for them, they see Corporations get the
benefits - they will be nothing more than slaves, they will probably not
have health insurance, the Trump Administration is leaving them more
polluted air, water and land, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer,
perverts in office get a free pass, 95% voted AGAINST Trump who got
in office anyway with the least votes, ...I can see and understand
the despair in their lives....
Re: J2"6 out of 40 identified individuals were found to be
sexual minorities? That is a very revealing percentage, and seems to run counter
to the common claim that sexual minorities are more likely to commit
suicide."Given that federal estimates suggest that only around
3% of the population are sexual minorities, the finding that 15% of identifiable
cases involved sexual minorities would suggest that they are more likely to
commit suicide than the average person. It's a small sample size, but
it's still important to think of these in per capita terms.
The KSL article on this topic included an interesting graph that showed the
youth suicide rate going all the way back to 1999. Looking at the
graph, it shows that using the 2011-2015 stats is misleading. The youth suicide
rate was actually higher in 2002 then it was in 2011, then dipped for almost a
decade before it's recent rise. Simply focusing on the last 4 years
isn't going to get us any closer a solution. Better question to ask is why
the peak in the early 2000s, the dip in the following decade, then the rise in
the last 4 years.Any way the editors of the D-News could add this
graph to the story?
@J2"6 out of 40 identified individuals were found to be sexual
minorities? That is a very revealing percentage, and seems to run counter to the
common claim that sexual minorities are more likely to commit suicide."That depends. That's 15% of the suicides. Are sexual minorities
more or less than 15% of the population?
This is a very interesting and revealing report. 6 out of 40
identified individuals were found to be sexual minorities? That is a very
revealing percentage, and seems to run counter to the common claim that sexual
minorities are more likely to commit suicide.Also interesting to see
that participation in religious activities seems to lessen the risk. These results are no big surprise to me, but for some they will definitely be
@Cactus PeteExcept young people these days on average are waiting til
later to engage in those actions.
Love Louder isn't working. Trying to encourage more people to leave home
into your safe haven isn't the answer.The answer is to hold on
to our long established values. Everybody be kinder. Look for ways
to help others. When people are not included they leave to find anyone who will
accept them. The real answer is to Love others. It is the original idea. Still
the right one.
All together now,"It's the LDS Church's fault"There, now that we've blamed the usual suspect we don't have
to delve deeper in the numbers behind these suicides. We don't
have to make any effort to find out what other factors outside of religion might
play a part. We don't make any comments about why youth
suicides are going up nationwide and not just in Utah. We don't
have to discuss any negative ramifications they may result from online bullying,
less personal time with family because of cell phone use or other negatives
resulting from technology. We will simply blame the main church in
Utah, that way those who are members of the that church can feel ashamed and
those doing the blaming can feel happy for themselves, believing they've
actually done something of substance. Problem solved.
Today's youth are being told that anything goes, and that it is old
fashioned to wait until you're married to partake of the sacraments of
marriage. There is no escape from the consequences of our actions. While it
may be politically correct to say it the jump in suicides should not come as a
Children often left at home with little or no parental supervision get into
trouble.Girls who don't put value in morality loss self respect.Children with parents that drug addicts have problems.Children
that grow up in 2-parent homes where they are taught basic concepts of morality
and decency make up a minority of those committing suicides. Family values make
all the difference.