How Utah's child care shortage impacts the gender wage gap

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  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2018 2:18 p.m.

    Millenial Snow,

    There have always been lots of ways to raise a family, even back in the 1950s. Really, the only thing that's changed is that society seems to now believe that strangers who are paid to take care of children are going to do as good a job raising your children as you would.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:43 a.m.

    @Rifleman

    Also, I resent you calling my kids "latchkey kids"

    Parenting is much more than being there to make cookies after school. I have no doubt that you would criticize my parenting more if I stayed home but needed government aid.

    You judge an awful lot on stereotypes. Get out of the 1950s, the world is different now and there are lots of ways to raise a family.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:37 a.m.

    @Rifleman
    The economy is simply different than it was 20 years ago.

    It's not government regulations that have made our salaries stagnate and jobs disappear.
    It's the free market. There is cheaper labor in Asian countries. It is cheaper to build robots and machines to work on a factory line - and more precise. Those jobs are gone for good and that is good for the bottom line (though not for the factory worker).

    Government regulations keep our air and water clean and our food products safe. Just like anything else there needs to be a balance, but dont make regulations the boogey man. I much prefer to live in a world where someone is looking out for the consumer.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    @Rifleman - it wasn't taxes that forced stay-at-home mom's to get a job.

    It was the rest of the world developing economically, and the impact of technological displacement of jobs that has been doing damage to most workers, beginning around 1980.

    Trump made a big deal about stopping Carrier from shipping jobs to Mexico, they got a big tax break from the State of Indiana to keep lower level manufacturing jobs there.

    The same week, Carrier executives openly admitted their plan to use the tax incentives to invest in more plant automation.

    Are the Carrier executives unpatriotic? Or just doing their best to provide inexpensive air conditioners to customers - ie, "stay in business" - while making shareholders happy?

    Taxes didn't force moms to work. Economic reality did. Young Utah families need to have fewer kids, and much more modest lifestyles.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    Millenial Snow - Sandy, UT

    Before government regulations went through the roof and taxes quadruped mothers were able to stay home and take care of their children while the average Joe earned the living.

    One of the sad results of mothers that are forced to work are latch key kids who get little or no parental guidance, and our society pays the price for the increase in crime.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Unless you have an amazing job, most likely both parents are going to have to work. And no, it's not to pay off a boat or to buy a big screen TV.

    I would love to stay home with my kids but we depend on my job for our health insurance.

    It would be really amazing if politicians who said they want to support families would actually do things that support families. State sponsored preschool starting at age 3 would go a long way for lots of people. Instead we write tax cuts for billionaires. What a country.

  • Max Upstate, NY
    Nov. 22, 2017 9:45 p.m.

    It just won't go away. No labor economist takes this seriously because there is no gender wage gap. When you adjust for education, experience, and field, it goes away. In other words, the explanatory variable is not gender, it is education, field and experience. Google: Freakonomics The true story of the gender wage gap. This will take you to an interview with Harvard economist Claudia Goldin who explains this in more detail.

  • DeepSpace Livonia, MI
    Nov. 22, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    Women's advocates have long insisted employers pay women less than men for doing exactly the same work in the exact same occupations and careers, working side-by-side with men on the same job for the same organization, working the same number of hours per week, traveling the same amount of time for work obligations, with the same exact work experience and education, with exactly the same level of productivity.

    If women's advocates know women are paid less, working women surely know it. So where are the millions of lawsuits? If the women don't know they're paid less, and the advocates do know it (how would THAT happen?), why haven't the advocates notified them? And why haven't they named the employers to embarrass them and helped the women sue?

    See why they don't:

    "Salary Secrecy — Discrimination Against Women?" Male Matters USA malemattersusa.wordpress.com

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    What is described as a decent wage is the issue.

  • Llew40 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    How sad a husband who only makes minimum wage is excused from stepping up and increasing his education so he can get a higher paying job and support his family. No. The woman must do it all.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    I think it is sad when a mother has to leave her young children at the local Drop-A-Tot. Someone else gets to watch them grow and learn. Someone else steps in and takes the role the mother should play.

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2017 11:06 a.m.

    Did this article just bemoan the fact that child care is too expensive, while in the next paragraph complaining that childcare workers (who are predominantly women) are severely underpaid?

  • Rebekeh Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    This story is too long. In short, jobs viewed as "women's work" are historically underpaid. The Republican job growth plans fall terribly short year after year as salaries become lower and lower. We're not far off with almost any job becoming "women's work" at $10-$12 dollars per hour. The lack of funding for education doesn't help either. All we're doing in Utah is creating service jobs to serve the rich.

    As long as people keep electing Republicans, in search of the almighty dollar, investments in human development will continue to plummet. The effects are already upon us and it is destructive to families.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Nov. 22, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    It is possible to be home with children most of the time, even if the father is paid only $14 an hour. It is hard, yes, but it can be done. The important aspect is that Mom is the one with the children. I have worked in child care settings, and even the best really don't offer what a good mom offers. I know of a mom who lives in a small town where child care is almost non-existent. Her husband has a good stable job, but the pay is about $17 per hour. She has a part time job that does not take her away from her children more than 16 hours each month. The four children are well fed, well-clothed and two ten-year olds have learned ways to earn money for their own desires. Their home is modest (and mortgage free), their car has many miles on it and they are good at finding inexpensive diversions. One of our big obstacles to family financial stability is lack of resourcefulness at home and being big on consumer spending.