@GaryO. You need a course in reading comprehension. You read between the lines
of what I posted and immediately collected $200 without passing "Go".
In fact you went the wrong way on the board!I never said that there
aren't hypocrites in conservative circles who consume pornography and other
vices whilst pretending to be something else.What I said is that you
will find very few republicans in the porn industry as it relates to actors,
producers, promoters etc. I doubt you'd even research it because you are
the one who is likely not being honest with yourself.Same with
prison populations. Why else do you think the dems are trying so hard to make
it possible for convicted felons and general prisoners to be able to vote during
election cycles? It isn't their concern that every vote should be heard.
@Thid Barker: "President Trump explained that his remarks were just locker
room talk and never happened!"Trump either committed sexual
assault and bragged about it because he thought it would impress people;OrHe lied, claiming he committed sexual assault because he thought it
would impress people. On or the other. Either way, he
thought bragging about committing sexual assault was impressive. And
the family values crowd makes excuses and cheers him on. Imagine a
young man, sitting in your living room waiting to take your daughter out, trying
to impress you with that same locker room talk.
@ Hutterite"They all have to go. Rose, Franken, Weinstein, Trump
and the dimestore cowboy Moore."I really wish Franken would
resign. To me that would say a lot about his integrity. Maybe in the future
behavior like his won't merit the "death penalty," but I think it
does now. And by resigning he could actually be a champion of the cause he
claims to support.@ Anti-Trump"The Republican Party
has turned from the party of 'family values', to the party of child
molesters and sexual abusers..."Yes, the "P" in
"GOP" is in danger of standing for something other than "Party,"
The trappings of fame and celebrity can engender a "I'm the best thing
that has ever happened to you" mentality. Charlie Rose seems to have been
perniciously affected by this mindset.I was in a relationship once
with someone who also had this mentality. Ego and accomplishments affected this
person's focus towards what was meaningful and important. Looking back, I
should have resisted the allure. It is very difficult when selfish goals of an
abuser manipulate one's desire to move forward in this world.
It must be tough being a republican now days. I mean you have those higher
moral and families values and you have to try and find a way to justify
supporting Roy Moore and Donald Trump. I laugh when I read republicans
lecturing others about innocent until proven guilty. You mean like with Bill
Clinton and all of his accusers? You say that Al Franken should be because he
admitted to inappropriate behavior one time yet you support Donald Trump who
also admitted to inappropriate behavior on a regular basis and 13 women have
corroborated what he said. Oh wait that was "locker room talk" I
forgot. You hammer Harvey Weinsten and believe his accusers, but you discredit
the Roy Moore accusers because it has been 40 years or Donald Trump accusers
because they haven't taken him to court. You condemn previous
adulter Presidents, but you give this one a pass. You thump your bible and
condemn others but you justify the mote in your own eye. I became a republican
in the 90's because I thought they had a higher moral standing, not so
today. It is time to get off your moral high horse and admit you are no better
than the democrats you condemn.
Hey Surf is Up -Re: "You will find very few republicans in the
porn industry and in general prison populations.". . . Complete
baloney!You will find Republican immersed up to their eyeballs in
porn."Utahns, famous for their wholesomeness and frugality, buy
online pornography at higher rates than the rest of America." - Deseret
NewsTry to be honest with yourself. Stop pretending.The
Party of Pretense only PRETENDS to be the Party of Personal Responsibility. The
GOP only PRETENDS to be the Party of Family Values. And they PRETEND to be
Christians.Republicans exalt in greed and avarice and happily pass
on their debt to the future. Republicans want low taxes now and are happy to let
their children and grandchildren pick up their slack. And look at their stand
on global warming. They don't seem to care about the safety and security of
future generations.The Party of Pretense can only pretend.Man up and stop pretending. At least be honest with YOURSELF.
Anti-Trump - Everett, WAThe folks in Utah's 3rd congressional
district disagree with you Anti-Trump. They wanted someone who would represent
their family values and that is why Kathie Allen only got 26% of the votes.Probably why Mia Love will easily win re-election in Utah's
Utah's 4th congressional district. She represents the thinking of a
majority of the voters in her district.
@Anti-Trump "The Republican Party has turned from the party of "family
values", to the party of child molesters and sexual abusers..."While that statement, comically, is completely inside-out as it relates to how
things really are-- if it were true the democrats should be incensed because
perversions of all kinds have always been their domain, and a large portion of
their voting base. You will find very few republicans in the porn industry and
in general prison populations.Sure there are some bad actors on the
republican side. They will be rooted out.But, as it stands folks
like you want to convict first, and try in court last.Go figure.
Poor Charlie Rose. All he did was walk around naked in front of
young women. And what a beautiful body! That was just his way of
expressing his admiration for them. And they OBVIOUSLY didn't mind. He
was doing them a favor.How in the world could they take offense at
that now?!This is all just a big misunderstanding!
The Republican Party has turned from the party of "family values", to the party of child molesters and sexual abusers...
What seems to be lost in the present debate is the fact that there are ambitious
women who ask, "Who do you have to sleep with around here to get
ahead?"They are out there and they are prospering.It
takes two.We are focusing on the "unwanted advances" here
but ought not ignore this problem.
Flying Finn - Salt Lake City, UT Nov. 21, 2017 1:42 p.m. Wrote: Bob A. Bohey -
Marlborough, MAIt was Bill Clinton that taught us that what ever goes on
behind closed doors is none of our business. Are you suggesting that he got it
wrong? What I wrote has nothing to do with your attempted deflection and your
attempted deflection supports my observations of the hypocracy of the right.
LOU Montana - Pueblo, COIf Roy Moore was a Democrat you'd send
money to help his campaign. The real issue is control of power in Washington
and has nothing to do with morality ...... of which neither party can lay claim
In the house of FOX News they simply pay a huge sum of money and keep the guy on
for years to come. CBS fired Charlie Rose immediately.Now the Trump administration is making a play to have Roy Moore (who is
accused of mall stalking 14-year-old little girls) elected. How
perfectly gallant of them.
We're living in the age of PC. And, for some reason, the women are coming
out of the woodwork with sexual complaints past and present against high profile
men. It also looks like the man is guilty and has to prove his innocence. The
mere stating of something inappropriate being said or done is enough to end his
career. The fact that some of these allegations are in the distant past
doesn't seem to matter much. What if we find out a politician did
something in grade school to a girl in his class? Should he be held to the same
standard as a politician who has done something while in office? Are the 16
women who accused Trump going after him or does he get a pass?
Thid; Trump's admission of guilt and victims coming forward is not enough
evidence for you?This is not locker room bragging, bravado, talk. In
my life of working with miners, mechanics, cowboys, carpenters and cops, I never
heard anyone EVER brag about groping a women. EVER!There is no excuse
ever for talk like that. To make excuses for Trump sets a new low for the GOP.
And People Mag still does its sexiest man alive cover. And we wonder why this
attitude of anything goes exists. Crazy!
They all have to go. Rose, Franken, Weinstein, Trump and the dimestore cowboy
Moore. Tolerance on this one is zero. Yet, using some of the linguistic
gymnastics we've seen here today, at least one or two of these will remain.
"@Airnaut: Never defended either, just pointed out that all Americans are
presumed innocent until proven guilty, even for Presidents! If you have proof of
guilt, please reveal it!"You want to explain how a woman
"proves" she was groped, or molested in private, even though it was
unwelcome and unwanted?The only reasonable standard....if you have
any moral character.. is a least a preponderance of evidence. Roy Moore, and
Donald Trump have had multiple (over a dozen), accusers all tell similar
stories. Many if not most (or all) would be believed by a person of character.
And yes in the light of a new era it makes Bill Clinton look vastly
@ Lou: President Trump explained that his remarks were just locker room talk
and never happened! If you have proof of your harassment accusations, please, by
all means, provide it!
Impartial7 - You obviously forgot to mention Bill Clinton as a creep the
Democrats were calling out. Why is that?
I actually commend CBS news. They addressed the situation head on. They
didn't try to bury the story or make excuses. Instead, they spent a
considerable amount of time on the story this morning. Whether these
perpetrators are liberals or conservatives, it doesn't matter. They need to
be called out and dismissed.
Thid; Trump admitted his guilt on an open-mic. How about taking some of that
tough guy talk and fire Trump and set him as the ultimate example?
Is sexual misconduct the product of increased objectification? Yes.Does
porn cause objectification of men and women? Yes.Do men and women
understand that dis-robing for the camera is almost entirely responsible for
this epidemic of objectification? Some do. Most don't.Does our
population have a problem with pornography addiction? Yes.I see peoples
awareness of the problem but wholly lacking in their ability to connect the
problem with the increase in lewd crude and rude media.
"The accusations against Ray Moore are falling apart rapidly. "...Sure, on AM radio. They can spin him out of this. Meanwhile, trump is
coming out and supporting Moore. Kind of a 'takes one to know one'
scenario. He's willing to take an accused child molester over a democrat.
His values are showing.
@Airnaut: Never defended either, just pointed out that all Americans are
presumed innocent until proven guilty, even for Presidents! If you have proof of
guilt, please reveal it!
Impartial7 - "Starting to see a pattern with sexual predators? Dems have
been calling out creeps like Louis C.K., Harvey Weinstein, and Al Franken. While
Repubs are circling the wagons to defend creeps like Roy Moore, Donald Trump,
Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes."Talk about projecting onto
others dude. Dems have been calling them out? LOL.C.K &
Weinstein et al-- were known as predators for a long, long time. Nobody was
"calling them out". It is only now, when they have been
knocked down by just a couple of brave people, and one reporter that those so
called "dems calling them out" suddenly have garnered the
"bravery" to condemn them? The other guys already have
acknowledged they are guilty because there is indisputable proof. Roy Moore
hasn't plead guilty and there is no proof. If there is proof let's
see it. Then most conservatives would knock him down. O'Reilly, and Ailes? What happened them? They lost their positions and
prestige. Do you want conservatives to put out a hit on them too in order to
prove to folks like you how seriously they take this?Wake up and
smell what U-be shoveling man!
FOX News palace pays out nearly $100 million in hush money to victims of sexual
abuse. Did you get that part? $100,000,000=ONE HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS in HUSH MONEY!To protect their most patriotic people. Al Franken asked for an investigation and Charlie Rose is fired with law
suits to follow. Conservatives are justifying Trump and Roy Moore,
It's sad to see accomplished professionals going down but it's
encouraging to see this long tolerated behavior being taken seriously.
Thid Barker - Victor, IDNov. 21, 2017 11:59 a.m.Liberals the
defenders of women?======== Says the man defending
Donald Trump and Roy Moore...
I do not understand why sexual harassment has become politicized.
Bob A. Bohey - Marlborough, MAIt was Bill Clinton that taught us
that what ever goes on behind closed doors is none of our business. Are you
suggesting that he got it wrong?
Starting to see a pattern with sexual predators? Dems have been calling out
creeps like Louis C.K., Harvey Weinstein, and Al Franken. While Repubs are
circling the wagons to defend creeps like Roy Moore, Donald Trump, Bill
O'Reilly and Roger Ailes.
@USAlover"This won't see the light of day on CNN. "Hyperbole much? Breaking news headline on CNN at this very moment is
the firing of Charlie Rose by CBS and PBS.
Hutterite - American Fork, UT wrote: He had to go. Franken needs to go. So too
the halloween cowboy, Roy Moore. And many more. I agree 100% and would add the
president needs to go as well and for the same reasons. Sad that that those that
are gloating over Franken and Rose won't mention Moore or Trump, sad but
Liberals the defenders of women?
Other news: Democrat Congressman John Conyers is also facing accusations by
women; apparently while his wife was in prison for corruption as an official in
Detroit. Perfect Democrat power couple, there. I'm just
waiting until the left remembers that they lionized a woman-killer, a lecher,
and a traitor in Ted Kennedy. Right now, he's still the very model of a
Democratic Senator. Oh, and Hutterite? The accusations against Ray
Moore are falling apart rapidly. Turns out, lots of lying women, egged on by
the Washington Post and Gloria Allred. Clarence Thomas all over again. How sad
for you leftists!
The liberals have suddenly discovered something that they never knew they had.
Morality.It was only yesterday that Hollywood woke up and realized that
they have been using casting couches for decades.
Pardon my schadenfreude, but I really enjoy replaying Charlie and Al's smug
sermons of liberalism...almost as much as I like watching my progressive friends
turn on a dime in their pseudo-puritanism.Just in time for the
annual outcry over the song, "Baby, it's cold outside."Are we ready to halt the free condoms in high schools? Oh no. We don't
He's liberal? Oh okay....nothing to see here folks. This won't see
the light of day on CNN. Nor will Frankin, who now has two more victims coming
He had to go. Franken needs to go. So too the halloween cowboy, Roy Moore. And