Judge Moore's election is not about what he is alleged to have done 40
years ago. It's about which candidate will best represent the conservative
Christian majority in Alabama. Judge Moore's record this past decade
standing tall for religious liberty shows great courage and determination. He
will best represent the traditional values of the people of Alabama - religious
rights, right to bear arms, APPOINT SUPREME COURT JUSTICES THAT WILL RESPECT THE
LANGUAGE OF THE US CONSTITUTION (this is a huge reason alone to vote for him),
states' rights, anti-abortion, traditional marriage. It should be
extremely obvious to the people of Alabama that they can't trust his
Democratic opponent to stand tall for these values.
This man prides himself on self righteous that brings on criticism. Too many
have come forward against him, too many supporting behind him. I tired of
hearing about the garbage of baggage he brings to election. Innocent or not no
one cares at this point. Get someone else to run that will have a mind set of
serving the people not self-serving an ego.
Missing from this story is the issue of abortion; Christians believe that the
taking of an unborn life is one of the most egregious of all sins . However,
many (but not all) liberals do not share that belief. Even if it is true that
Roy Moore was a predator when attempting to date teenage girls almost 40 years
ago, in my opinion I believe that most Christians would rather vote for a
predator who is Pro-life compared to a candidate who is in favor of taking
unborn life, or Pro-choice. Some people would call the differences of voting
for one candidate versus the other candidate, simply - the voting for the less
of two evils.
Allegations! Allegations! The swamp is full of 'allegators'.Of course the fact that Mr Moore is likely to support Mr Trump's
agenda in the Senate and cause some of same agenda to succeed is nothing to do
with it. (Cough cough).Sorry this is more than suspicious. More
and more all one has to do is to accuse someone out of the blue to spoil his or
her chances at anything. Time for a change.People in glass houses
are throwing more and more stones.
When it comes to politicians and questionable actions, the best thing to
remember is: "As ye sow...."If you don't want to
defend yourself even years later, avoid even the appearance of evil.Control your urges or they will control you. How many of both major parties
have fallen because they couldn't control themselves, especially those in
the US Congress and even (or especially) the White House? How many have paid
hush money because they couldn't keep their zipper up or their hands off?
Being young or drunk is no excuse, either. Behave yourself in every situation
that involves anything that could possibly be construed as sexual in nature. Or
not, and wish you had.
@ Uncle Artie"The case against Mr. Roy Moore is starting to unravel -
not based upon emotion, but based upon evidence."If by unravel
you mean building with more witnesses or victims seemingly coming forward each
@ Uncle Artie"The case against Mr. Roy Moore is starting to
unravel - not based upon emotion, but based upon evidence."All
we need is the alt-right media to tell us all those high school girls attacked
Roy Moore and there are some who will believe it. These are sad times.
@milquetoast - "The "white evangelical protestant" shift in opinion
about "morality" from 2011 to 2016 is absolutely astounding. A 42% swing
in five years for political expediency is hypocrisy of the gold medal
variety."Yet these same folks are the first to deflect for Moore
/ blame Bill Clinton for starting all of this.This is how the
stereotype of religious people believing Jesus is the head of the Republican
Party got legs. Twisting politics and religion is clearly a toxic
First of all let me say I have no idea if Roy Moore is guilty or if he is
innocent and is being framed and neither does anybody else -- not in congress or
the media. Nobody. It wouldn't surprise me at all that yet another
polititian did something akin to sexual assault as we now see with this goof
ball Al Frankin and then tries to deny it or minimize it. A woman -- out of fear
--- may have held up saying anything for all these years. On the other hand I
can equally see the Democrats or the Washington Post paying something to lie
about sexual assault to stop someone from being elected at the final hour. We
saw with the Duke Lacaross case the media hung these boys and even professors at
Duke did too before any proof was offered. All just alligations. As it turned
out the Duke boys were innocent and it was the scum bag girl that lied. The
media once again was wrong. Tomorrow some woman out of the blue could accuse you
of anything with no proof other than her testamony and you are hosed. You lose
your job and marriage and reputation over an unproven alligation. This is very
dark and scary times. Wait -- just wait until proof is provided before casting
If you really trusted and believed in God and scripture and sought to make
religion the center of your thought, you would certainly make either a pathetic
conservative or a dysfunctional liberal. And that is the problem, if one blends
religion and politics, one will repeatedly be forced to choose between a
religious principle and political expediency. It is one thing to understand
that conflicts occur in each person's mind within the voting booth. It
would be quite another to watch churches and entire religious communities
violate their core principles and act as political machines. Moderate separation of church and state, based upon First Amendment
principles, does not harm religious belief or churches. It protects genuine
religious life. It protects faith communities from failing to point to the
ideals which are the reason for their existence.
@Pssst - LOGAN, UT"There is a reason for statutes of limitation.
If it wasn't important or reported forty years ago why is it important now?
The courts have been very sympathetic to the claims of offended women for at
least that long, and ever since"its hard for me to believe that
even you believe what you have written. do you honestly believe that people
would have taken the word of a teenage girl versus an assistant district
attorney 40 years most place in the united states, much less the deep south?with authority figures, the person making accusations always seems to
be suspected of lying. that is reason many more rape claims aren't made
or prosecuted.in terms moore, have no clue what he has or
hasn't done in his personal life. the sheer fact that he pretty much
admitted to dating teenage girls on mainstream media behemoth fox news suggests
that he was attracted to very young females as man in his 30s.
@uncleartie"The case against Mr. Roy Moore is starting to
unravel"Citation?"emember those nine women who
came forth to testify against Donald Trump during the campaign? They were proven
to be liars; set up by the political opposition."Citation?You take a lot of jabs against mainstream media and make statements that
Moore's accusers can't be taken at their word.So why
should we take you at your word without any evidence to back up your claims?
There is a reason for statutes of limitation. If it wasn't important or
reported forty years ago why is it important now? The courts have been very
sympathetic to the claims of offended women for at least that long, and ever
since.Also, as a woman, I wonder what is wrong with a man who asks a
young woman of 17 on a date, when she is old enough (in Alabama) to marry
without her parents' consent? She just has to say "No, thanks" as
to anyone else or, if she wants to be specific, I only date men who were born
from this year to that year and so on.I really wonder that liberals,
who are usually so 'liberal' and even libertine about everything else
are so apparently outraged on this subject. I invite suggestions on
how the marriage laws should be changed to dictate what age a man or woman must
be to date another individual of legal marriage age? Would legal majority of
both parties (18 or more) satisfy those who are so upset about this. or does
there have to be a set maximum age differential, between the ages of adults
wishing to date. As a strict Mormon it's OK for me to group date at 16 and
single date at 17; I heard no dictate on differences in age.
"In these emotionally charged issues it has become clear to me that a person
cannot get the truth from any main stream media outlet."____________________That's certainly the narrative Donald Trump
If Roy Moore was a Democrat he wouldn't have the publicity.
As I read through these comments it is clear to me that few if anyone gets their
news from alternative sources. The case against Mr. Roy Moore is starting to
unravel - not based upon emotion, but based upon evidence.Remember
those nine women who came forth to testify against Donald Trump during the
campaign? They were proven to be liars; set up by the political opposition.
In these emotionally charged issues it has become clear to me that a
person cannot get the truth from any main stream media outlet.
This article should be titled,"The Utter Hypocrisy of
Politicians Who Claim to be Christian".And if you think that
Utah's esteemed senators are exceptions, check out Orrin Hatch's
behavior yesterday when Sherrod Brown pointed out the GOP's lies about
cuts to the corporate tax rate. This morning's Washington Post has an
excellent article about it.The Ninth Commandment must have a
subsection which says that dishonesty is OK if it furthers your political
The moment a candidate starts using a religion to get elected, I get suspicious.
It tells me all I need to know about him or her, that he or she will use just
about any means to get elected. That disqualifies a person as surely as any
crime would. Too slick and oily for my taste.
Truth or claiming sexual impropriety many decades later??I know a
good man who was forced out of his employment for allegedly doing something
wrong the week before by someone who knew he would be fired if this change was
brought against him.False accusations, truthful accusations.What a mess. And often the falsely accused suffer wrongly because
no one dares question these kind of claims-- and the women who are seeking to
damage their boss or their manager etc know these accusations will bring about
the damage they are seeking to inflict.
If I was a voter in Alabama, Moore said enough on Sean Hannity to convince me
not to vote for him. His stated rule to ask a teenage girl's mother before
dating her is enough, regardless of the legal age of concent.
I am a medical doctor who is a woman,I am 68 years old and have been raped
and nearly beaten to death by two other military officers back 30+ years ago. I
had a fractured jaw, skull, broken ribs and ruptured spleen. Yet it was still my
word against their’s. They were never prosecuted and returned to
Annapolis to teach.After ten years enough women came forward to repeat the
SAME accusations and they were finally court-martialed and given bad conduct
discharges...but no prison time.As a doctor I see women and men
sexually assaulted, raped, harassed and there is no one to report to as so many
people REFUSE to believe the victim! Why is that? If a well dressed man
reports he was mugged and had his $5,000 Rolex and $1500 Louis Vuitton wallet
stolen, NO ONE says “Why should we believe him?” or “He
shouldn’t have been wearing something expensive?”Search
within yourselves. If you really think that women and men “make up being
raped or sexually assaulted” that says more about you than the victim.
Why do you believe the man?It is SO hard to come forward with rape
and sexual assault allegations as people blame the victim. It’s time to
be show more respect to human beings.
@1covey "Forgotten is the beginning of permissiveness 50+ years ago.
Remember the flower children ? Love-ins ? Miniskirts ? Movies flaunted sexuality
- very popular. Fashions flaunted sexuality - still do. "Are you
implying the abuse of women began 50 years ago? If so, you are dead wrong. The
willful sexual abuse of women has been with us from the beginning. That's
one of the reasons evangelicals like Falwell have no real problem with it.
Personally, I believe that politics is much easier to "navigate" when I
immerse myself in the scriptures, especially the BOM and the D&C. The BOM
tells me what to expect in these latter days, while the D&C tells me how to
act. My personal motto is D&C 59:1 where we are told that we are blessed if
we have an eye "single" to glory of the Lord. When I am doing that, I
feel the Spirit guiding me, telling me what is correct and what is false. And I
move forward from there. The fact that our country's founding documents are
much like the scriptures, divinely inspired and as of yet, incomplete, tells me
that what we have now, is what the Lord wants us to have in our day, and that we
should be following them and looking for His interpretation of them, not
deciding on our own, "trusting in the arm of flesh".
I believe a person of faith could believe Roy Moore committed those acts with
those young girls. But when one's faith throws up a firewall that
completely excludes that possibility, that's a professional license to be
Religion, well embodied in this case by a Falwell, is about sex and power in the
here and now. Moore's supporters have no problem stretching their ethics to
support him. They did the same thing supporting trump. Religion and it's
adherents show much of their true colours in these cases where they enable
behaviour in some that they abhor in others. By evidence of his followers, god
loathes Franken. He's OK with the thrift store cowboy and trump. I
see what religion really values in this.
Religion is politics.
Politics exploits religion no less than it exploits anything that may help a
candidate get elected. The candidate may be sincere but religion does strike a
chord. I don’t know how since Roy Moore is but voters should question any
overtures making a pitch for support. What I do know for sure about Moore is
that he has spent a number of years waving the Bible around.
Ronald Boss is correct in that too many of us are trusting the media to act as
judge and jury. In this case, however, the number of accusers indicates that we
ought to take them seriously. Expecting them to have come forward
earlier ignores the fact that most of the women who did come forward earlier
(regarding other famous men) were ignored or criticized. This is the time when
they are being listened to for the first time.Expecting
"proof" is problematic in these cases, too, for obvious reasons. We may
have to accept the sheer number of accusers as evidence in this case.Personally, I think the larger problem comes from those who are willing to
critique Hollywood and the Democrats, but won't consider these issues in
their own party. They jumped on Weinstein and Franken, but won't hear a
word about Moore. Many Democrats are equally guilty: They attack Moore, but
won't critique Franken. If our moral judgment becomes secondary to our
political party, if we attack others for that which we ourselves practice, we
become hypocrites - which certainly flies in the face of what we Christians
purport to believe.
The "scandal" is that suddenly a candidate is accused a couple of weeks
before an election and so many are willing to believe unproven allegations.
That is a scandal politically, societally and 'religiously'. My 'religion', my conscience and my political and societal
beliefs tell me that is wrong and unjust to believe an allegation without proof,
and naive to believe accusations that predictably emerge, too late to disprove
them to every gossip's, and no partisan's, satisfaction, just before
an election. They should be treated with the contempt they well deserve. It is a sound principle in jurisprudence as well as in basic fairness
not to act on such remarks or to conclude guilt rather than assume innocence.
Are you listening GOP and DNC? I believe the electorate is listening, and
taking note, and will not reward these tactics. A 'long train
of abuses' is what I look for not just 'witnesses' that appear
and disappear according to political expedience.
Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, lead the efforts to impeach Bill Clinton in
the '90s. He later admitted to having an affair with a Congressional aide
the entire time. He resigned from Congress, and was replaced by Bob
Livingston. On the day of the impeachment vote, Livingston announced that he too
was resigning for.... you guessed it! An extramarital affair (apparently four of
them). Livingston was replaced by Dennis Hastert, who remained in
that role during the trial on the articles of impeachment. Years later, it was
revealed that Hastert had paid nearly $2 million to keep people whom he had
molested as children quiet. He was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison and
labeled a "serial child molester" by the federal judge. I
once thought that those men would represent the pinnacle of religious
conservative hypocrisy, but I was wrong. The election of Donald Trump (by a
majority of those same people) and the unwavering support of Roy Moore is even
more shocking. The "white evangelical protestant" shift in
opinion about "morality" from 2011 to 2016 is absolutely astounding. A
42% swing in five years for political expediency is hypocrisy of the gold medal
Forgotten is the beginning of permissiveness 50+ years ago. Remember the flower
children ? Love-ins ? Miniskirts ? Movies flaunted sexuality - very popular.
Fashions flaunted sexuality - still do. Remember what Ben Franklin said about
women and fashion ? Sex sells. Look at advertisements. Religious leaders have
spoken out about these evils for years as a voice in the wilderness; and now
the chickens are coming home to roost. America needs to take a good hard look
at itself. Both men and women.
He' not proven guilty yet, but the abundance of accusers sure has created a
lot of suspicion. Usually where there is smoke there is fire and most cases
like this in the past have vindicated the accusers. Republicans,
conservatives, and Evangelicals have, through supporting people like Trump,
unfortunately lost high ground.The survey quoted in the story -
where most religious conservatives formerly felt that personal morality was
important to discharging public duty, and now many more people in that same
group feel that it is no longer important - is telling. This truly is a blind
spot for many conservatives and it is truly sad for those of us who still feel
that personal morality is important for holding public office. For
Mormons, the injunction in D&C 98:10 should still ring true "honest men
and wise men should be sought for diligently and good men and wise men ye should
observe to uphold". I personally feel this instruction from the Lord is
even more important than if someone has an "R" in front of their name on
Here is your dilemma ardent, fundamentlists.Elect a fundamentally
flawed person whose politics you like or a righteous person who has political
views you disdain.Government is an interaction of human beings doing
the best they can for us, the people. I prefer the individual with the better
personal life over the moral failure. I think people of good character with
good intentions will do better for us than stinkers.But then again,
it is easy to disagree. However, what message does that send to our children
and grandchildren that we vote for a support the likes of the current president?
Why do you and your headline editor use the word "scandal" in the Roy
Moore story as though the allegations are a proven fact? Also, linking him to
others accused of sexual misconduct makes him appear guilty. We use to believe
that a person was innocent until proven guilty. Now the media to often makes
that decision for us.