Davis district says other schools with Phoenix mascot have had no issues
The Farmington Phoenix is very catchy. I like it. There would surely be issues
with names like Ducks or Bucks. And I agree with another comment that Phoenix
in the plural should still be Phoenix. I also don't think it sounds like
the male anatomy.
This is the best description of a "solution in search of a problem" I
have read in a long time! An unsavory subtext can be assigned to anything, any
name, any phrase, if that is the direction the interpreter chooses to go. There
is absolutely nothing wrong with a mascot named "Phoenix." Cheer for
"The Mighty Phoenix", "The Phoenicians”, or simply “The
Phoenix.” Do not change an inoffensive mascot in an effort to encourage
the school's students to be as whiny and immature as their parents driving
this initiative. Youth today are facing genuine challenges but this silly
non-issue is certainly not one of them.
How about the Farmington farmers?
Hey Utefan4lyfe! I got a giggle out of your comment. Now we shall have to call
the person playing the piano with the Utah Symphony just that! We will all
avoid using the one word term that is simpler, but makes youngsters giggle.
I taught at a high school in Oregon that was known as the "bobcats". A
group of seniors at the end of the school year decided to paint a mural in the
foyer of the gymnasium that reflected their "bobcat spirit" and I
loosely oversaw their work.After three days, some members of the
community came in and they were horrified. According to them, the mural of a
bobcat leaping through a ring of fire had "satanic" overtones. Our
principal had my students whitewash three day's worth of work. The students
were crushed. The project was abandoned and those students couldn't wait
for the school year to end.It's only opinion, but when
community members impose ridiculous expectations and standards over the good
intentions that students and schools invariably represent, those are the school
districts to avoid working in. School boards get too wound up in these matters
and important business is sacrificed because of a vocal sub-group of helicopter
parents. Schisms develop that hurt the overall educational mission.
Why not the Farmington "Rhyming Dictionaries"?
If your mascot is a horse, do you call it HORSE.If your mascot is a tiger,
do you call it TIGER.If it were a shark, would you just call it SHARKYSo, give the Phoenix a name, you know a personal name. Maybe GEORGE, LOL
Phoenix vs I assume male anatomy is what they are talking about?They
don't even sound remotely alike.Maybe they should change their
name to The Lagoon's, eh?If they did that the logo would be
Miami HeatS, Orlando MagicS, Oklahoma City ThunderS, UTAH JAZZS I think
Really?Seriously?Honestly?Maybe possible one parent lost
some sleep over this name. More than likely this is just fake news.
One thing we know for sure. It is verboten to chant "Build that wall!"
at a game.Perhaps the whole mess is a waste of time. How long before
all sports teams are banned anyway? They are too dangerous and separate the
children by ability and create winners and losers. And then there is the
dressing room controversy. And what if the players take a knee.?At
some point progressive education bumps into itself coming from both directions.
Why does it have to be plural?I like it the way it is, the Phoenix!
It's strong. My kids attended Westlake, they are the Thunder, not the
Thunders, they refer to them as the Mighty Thunder, boys and Girls sports.
Someone already posted it. What the name Phoenix means. It's strong they
can be the Phoenix, the Mighty Phoenix. I support this mascot 100%, stay with
it. It is something the kids can be proud of. Again, why make it plural?
Never heard of the Alabama Crimson TideStanford CardinalSyracuse OrangeTulane Green WaveTulsa Golden HurricaneMarshall Thundering HerdIllinois Fighting IlliniNavy MidshipmenNevada WolfpackNC State WolfpackNotre Dame Fighting IrishNorth Texas Mean GreenCornell Big RedDartmouth Big GreenHarvard CrimsonWestlake ThunderDesert Hills ThunderPunahou
Buff and BlueStanislaus (Bay St. Louis) Rock-a-ChawWebb (Bell
Buckle) Feet *Only in TennesseeAnd the list could go on and on,
leave the name alone, it is GREAT!
Why not let the first year's students vote on their mascot? If they want to
keep Phoenixes then great but if they want to change it to the Firebirds or the
Mammoths or the Fangs or the Ducks or whatever else then why not let them do it?
Last night's moderator denied my additional comment that the Phoenix was
considered by our Founding Fathers as our Nation's bird symbol. William
Barton drew a proposed United States Seal which was submitted to the 3rd
Committee of Congress on 9 May 1782. On the front the figures on each side of
the shield were represented by a maiden, and on the other side an American
warrior. At the top is an eagle and on the pillar in the shield is a
"Phoenix in Flames". The mottos were In Vindiciam Libertatis "In
Defense of Liberty" and Virtus sola invicta "Only virtue
unconquered". The final design is attributed to Charles Thomson and was
adopted immediately by Congress on June 20, 1782. Despite Thomson's
statements that this was an Eagle it was instead perceived as the Masonic symbol
of the Phoenix, since all the rest of the symbolism was Masonic. Around 1877 a
portrayed Eagle became more distinctive. The Phoenix was first used by the
Egyptians symbolized in versions of their Creation myth, which is why it was
considered for our new Nation, thus the symbol for a new school would make the
Phoenix perfect. What are our children being taught in History class anyway?
That's what I thought the plural of Phoenix is Phoenix. .. Problem
Why not the Farmington Ducks? Unique. Apropos. Cool. I've been all over
Farmington and I've never seen a Phoenix, dead or alive. Plus, do we have
the Phoenises (you're right, it does sound darn close) permission?
Don't want to offend anyone, especially something that has mystical powers.
I don't much like the name Phoenix anyway. Others have mentioned
"Firebird" as an alternative which might be a little better, but fake
creatures aren't my thing. Unfortunately the other options that were voted
on weren't very good or original either: "Farmers" and
"Eagles." Why not choose a mascot that was real and endemic to the area
like the "Farmington Mammoths,"or how about one that is a bit more
frightful but creative like the "Farmington Fangs?"
If you change it to another work, and then twist it really hard, and then the
others listen for what it isn't, then you have an opportunity to be
offended when you shouldn't be. No a big deal, the parents
making it into something are the problem here.
"Farmington Firebirds" has a nice ring to it.
"'I kind of left with an impression like I have to show these guys
there is support for changing the mascot for this reason, otherwise this is just
going to stay the same,' Fraughton said."This father is
really off base here. This is not his team. Repeat: This is NOT HIS TEAM! Why
should he act as though the school is out to embarrass him personally? Phoenix
is a completely acceptable plural of that bird, as mentioned by someone above
(citing the Stanford Cardinal, though that is actually the name of a color).The kids chose this name, the school administrators approved it. Let it
go, Dad.(DN Mods: Would someone care to explain to me how my last
attempt at a contribution amounted to a comment "about death and injury"
and how I was "insensitive" to such? This is about a perceived
overreaction to a mascot's name. There's no actual injury here, let
alone death. I don't know how to get in touch with you any other way and I
really would like an explanation.)
What about "Beaver, Utah? What about the BYU "Cougars"?
We are embarrassed for these Farmington parents if this gets their goat. Cmon.
Fraughton rhymes with Lottin.We don’t want our kids thinking
they have to play the Lottery to be successful!Change the name!Give me a break.
"Farmington is like the greatest place to live in the history of the world.
I love Farmington, I'm not going anywhere," So when you
cheer, say, “Go Farmington!!” or “Stay tough
Farmington!!” Root for Farmington.When the folks for Stanford
cheer for the Stanford Cardinal, they cheer for Stanford. The band’s
mascot is a pine tree; no cheering for that.You’ve drawn
attention to something that didn’t need to be. Many of the
high schools and Universities don’t use their mascot’s name much at
all. I hear, “Go East!!” And ,”Go Utah” not much,
“Go Leopards!! or “Come on Runnin’ Utes”.Move on, be adults and drop all the unnecessary attention that the school and
kids don’t need.
The best cheer ever is the one that drives the other team crazy trying to
understand it.East High Leopards:
"Woboskeewatendatenladianis."Maybe they should be the
It's easy. They said the Phoenix is a firebird. Make it the Farmington
Firebirds. Same logo, harder to mess with, and a great looking muscle car.
Most opposing teams can find a way to demean any mascot's name, but some
are easier than others.
Sorry, got to chime in. For our High School they chose Titans. I have had
two kids graduate from there. There the detractors (rivals) derogatorily refer
to the female anatomy. I like the Phoenix, good as any, get over it!
Derogatory childish remarks will be made by both friend and foe no matter the
I don’t see any problem changing it. But if they keep it, then
that’s fine too. It’s not totally off base to suggest something
better. I read their petition and laughed because yeah, high school students are
very immature and I could see the name being a problem in the future. Interested
to see what they decide...
I guess next they'll be banning "pianists" and Astronomy class will
disavow the existence of the Planet "Uranus"? I'm sure the list can
go on and on.
Some parents have too much time on their hands, or was that slime, or grime. Use
the singular form, Phoenix, who really cares.
This is beyond ridiculous. Corner Canyon had the same problem with
"Cougars." Phoenix is a great mascot. It would be nice to hear some
more original names.
Good grief. The kids have no issue with the name. It's the immature parents
that make "naughty" out of something that's not. Maybe the parents
should clean up their thoughts.
Smart move for sure
They aren't pushing a specific replacement, but their fears of having male
anatomy the subject of the mascot has now, by their reaction to it, been
embedded in concrete. Every high school rival will now embrace this,
unfortunately.You can use the singular, just like Stanford
University does with their mascot; the Cardinal. And no, it's not the
Cardinals, just the Cardinal. What's so hard about that? I'd say the
petition writers and signers sort of blew this out of the water.
So they picked a mascot that is strong, has the ability to heal, and can rise
from the ashes. Honestly, it sounds like exactly the type of mascot you should
want. But because you can't get your mind out of the gutter you feel they
should change it? What do you call the person playing the piano with the Utah
Oh really?So your mascot lost. Get over it.