Parents petition to change school's naughty sounding mascot

Davis district says other schools with Phoenix mascot have had no issues

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  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 16, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    How about the Farmington farmers?

  • dotGone Puyallup, WA
    Nov. 14, 2017 8:08 p.m.

    Hey Utefan4lyfe! I got a giggle out of your comment. Now we shall have to call the person playing the piano with the Utah Symphony just that! We will all avoid using the one word term that is simpler, but makes youngsters giggle.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 3:06 p.m.

    I taught at a high school in Oregon that was known as the "bobcats". A group of seniors at the end of the school year decided to paint a mural in the foyer of the gymnasium that reflected their "bobcat spirit" and I loosely oversaw their work.

    After three days, some members of the community came in and they were horrified. According to them, the mural of a bobcat leaping through a ring of fire had "satanic" overtones. Our principal had my students whitewash three day's worth of work. The students were crushed. The project was abandoned and those students couldn't wait for the school year to end.

    It's only opinion, but when community members impose ridiculous expectations and standards over the good intentions that students and schools invariably represent, those are the school districts to avoid working in. School boards get too wound up in these matters and important business is sacrificed because of a vocal sub-group of helicopter parents. Schisms develop that hurt the overall educational mission.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    Why not the Farmington "Rhyming Dictionaries"?

  • Me an Der Layton, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 11:06 a.m.

    If your mascot is a horse, do you call it HORSE.
    If your mascot is a tiger, do you call it TIGER.
    If it were a shark, would you just call it SHARKY
    So, give the Phoenix a name, you know a personal name. Maybe GEORGE, LOL

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    Phoenix vs I assume male anatomy is what they are talking about?

    They don't even sound remotely alike.

    Maybe they should change their name to The Lagoon's, eh?

    If they did that the logo would be extremely interesting.

  • SamiAntha Murray, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 10:32 a.m.

    Miami HeatS, Orlando MagicS, Oklahoma City ThunderS, UTAH JAZZS I think not !!

  • Flying Finn Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    Really?
    Seriously?
    Honestly?

    Maybe possible one parent lost some sleep over this name. More than likely this is just fake news.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 9:29 a.m.

    One thing we know for sure. It is verboten to chant "Build that wall!" at a game.

    Perhaps the whole mess is a waste of time. How long before all sports teams are banned anyway? They are too dangerous and separate the children by ability and create winners and losers. And then there is the dressing room controversy. And what if the players take a knee.?

    At some point progressive education bumps into itself coming from both directions.

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    Why does it have to be plural?

    I like it the way it is, the Phoenix! It's strong. My kids attended Westlake, they are the Thunder, not the Thunders, they refer to them as the Mighty Thunder, boys and Girls sports. Someone already posted it. What the name Phoenix means. It's strong they can be the Phoenix, the Mighty Phoenix. I support this mascot 100%, stay with it. It is something the kids can be proud of. Again, why make it plural? Never heard of the

    Alabama Crimson Tide
    Stanford Cardinal
    Syracuse Orange
    Tulane Green Wave
    Tulsa Golden Hurricane
    Marshall Thundering Herd
    Illinois Fighting Illini
    Navy Midshipmen
    Nevada Wolfpack
    NC State Wolfpack
    Notre Dame Fighting Irish
    North Texas Mean Green
    Cornell Big Red
    Dartmouth Big Green
    Harvard Crimson
    Westlake Thunder
    Desert Hills Thunder
    Punahou Buff and Blue
    Stanislaus (Bay St. Louis) Rock-a-Chaw
    Webb (Bell Buckle) Feet *Only in Tennessee

    And the list could go on and on, leave the name alone, it is GREAT!

  • Pineapple Farmington, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 8:34 a.m.

    Why not let the first year's students vote on their mascot? If they want to keep Phoenixes then great but if they want to change it to the Firebirds or the Mammoths or the Fangs or the Ducks or whatever else then why not let them do it?

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 6:15 a.m.

    Last night's moderator denied my additional comment that the Phoenix was considered by our Founding Fathers as our Nation's bird symbol. William Barton drew a proposed United States Seal which was submitted to the 3rd Committee of Congress on 9 May 1782. On the front the figures on each side of the shield were represented by a maiden, and on the other side an American warrior. At the top is an eagle and on the pillar in the shield is a "Phoenix in Flames". The mottos were In Vindiciam Libertatis "In Defense of Liberty" and Virtus sola invicta "Only virtue unconquered". The final design is attributed to Charles Thomson and was adopted immediately by Congress on June 20, 1782. Despite Thomson's statements that this was an Eagle it was instead perceived as the Masonic symbol of the Phoenix, since all the rest of the symbolism was Masonic. Around 1877 a portrayed Eagle became more distinctive. The Phoenix was first used by the Egyptians symbolized in versions of their Creation myth, which is why it was considered for our new Nation, thus the symbol for a new school would make the Phoenix perfect. What are our children being taught in History class anyway?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 2:16 a.m.

    That's what I thought the plural of Phoenix is Phoenix. .. Problem solved?

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Nov. 14, 2017 12:05 a.m.

    Why not the Farmington Ducks? Unique. Apropos. Cool. I've been all over Farmington and I've never seen a Phoenix, dead or alive. Plus, do we have the Phoenises (you're right, it does sound darn close) permission? Don't want to offend anyone, especially something that has mystical powers.

  • Pineapple Farmington, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 10:39 p.m.

    I don't much like the name Phoenix anyway. Others have mentioned "Firebird" as an alternative which might be a little better, but fake creatures aren't my thing. Unfortunately the other options that were voted on weren't very good or original either: "Farmers" and "Eagles." Why not choose a mascot that was real and endemic to the area like the "Farmington Mammoths,"or how about one that is a bit more frightful but creative like the "Farmington Fangs?"

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Nov. 13, 2017 10:11 p.m.

    If you change it to another work, and then twist it really hard, and then the others listen for what it isn't, then you have an opportunity to be offended when you shouldn't be.

    No a big deal, the parents making it into something are the problem here.

  • ironmania San Diego, CA
    Nov. 13, 2017 7:47 p.m.

    "Farmington Firebirds" has a nice ring to it.

  • starkat West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 6:50 p.m.

    "'I kind of left with an impression like I have to show these guys there is support for changing the mascot for this reason, otherwise this is just going to stay the same,' Fraughton said."

    This father is really off base here. This is not his team. Repeat: This is NOT HIS TEAM! Why should he act as though the school is out to embarrass him personally? Phoenix is a completely acceptable plural of that bird, as mentioned by someone above (citing the Stanford Cardinal, though that is actually the name of a color).

    The kids chose this name, the school administrators approved it. Let it go, Dad.

    (DN Mods: Would someone care to explain to me how my last attempt at a contribution amounted to a comment "about death and injury" and how I was "insensitive" to such? This is about a perceived overreaction to a mascot's name. There's no actual injury here, let alone death. I don't know how to get in touch with you any other way and I really would like an explanation.)

  • girlofthesea Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 6:27 p.m.

    What about "Beaver, Utah? What about the BYU "Cougars"?

  • oldtimeftballer Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 6:23 p.m.

    We are embarrassed for these Farmington parents if this gets their goat. Cmon.

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 6:09 p.m.

    Fraughton rhymes with Lottin.

    We don’t want our kids thinking they have to play the Lottery to be successful!

    Change the name!

    Give me a break.

  • 1hemlock Tooele, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2017 5:51 p.m.

    "Farmington is like the greatest place to live in the history of the world. I love Farmington, I'm not going anywhere,"

    So when you cheer, say, “Go Farmington!!” or “Stay tough Farmington!!” Root for Farmington.

    When the folks for Stanford cheer for the Stanford Cardinal, they cheer for Stanford. The band’s mascot is a pine tree; no cheering for that.

    You’ve drawn attention to something that didn’t need to be.

    Many of the high schools and Universities don’t use their mascot’s name much at all.
    I hear, “Go East!!” And ,”Go Utah” not much, “Go Leopards!! or “Come on Runnin’ Utes”.

    Move on, be adults and drop all the unnecessary attention that the school and kids don’t need.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 5:46 p.m.

    The best cheer ever is the one that drives the other team crazy trying to understand it.

    East High Leopards: "Woboskeewatendatenladianis."

    Maybe they should be the Jabberwockies.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 5:45 p.m.

    It's easy. They said the Phoenix is a firebird. Make it the Farmington Firebirds. Same logo, harder to mess with, and a great looking muscle car.

  • Chancey Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 5:19 p.m.

    Most opposing teams can find a way to demean any mascot's name, but some are easier than others.

  • aghast SYRACUSE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 5:11 p.m.

    Sorry, got to chime in. For our High School they chose Titans. I have had two kids graduate from there. There the detractors (rivals) derogatorily refer to the female anatomy. I like the Phoenix, good as any, get over it! Derogatory childish remarks will be made by both friend and foe no matter the mascot!

  • Designer123 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 5:03 p.m.

    I don’t see any problem changing it. But if they keep it, then that’s fine too. It’s not totally off base to suggest something better. I read their petition and laughed because yeah, high school students are very immature and I could see the name being a problem in the future. Interested to see what they decide...

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 4:42 p.m.

    I guess next they'll be banning "pianists" and Astronomy class will disavow the existence of the Planet "Uranus"? I'm sure the list can go on and on.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 4:35 p.m.

    Some parents have too much time on their hands, or was that slime, or grime. Use the singular form, Phoenix, who really cares.

  • Gravedigger72 Draper, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 4:09 p.m.

    This is beyond ridiculous. Corner Canyon had the same problem with "Cougars." Phoenix is a great mascot. It would be nice to hear some more original names.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 3:49 p.m.

    Good grief. The kids have no issue with the name. It's the immature parents that make "naughty" out of something that's not. Maybe the parents should clean up their thoughts.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 3:39 p.m.

    Smart move for sure

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 3:32 p.m.

    They aren't pushing a specific replacement, but their fears of having male anatomy the subject of the mascot has now, by their reaction to it, been embedded in concrete. Every high school rival will now embrace this, unfortunately.

    You can use the singular, just like Stanford University does with their mascot; the Cardinal. And no, it's not the Cardinals, just the Cardinal. What's so hard about that? I'd say the petition writers and signers sort of blew this out of the water.

  • Utefan4Lyf West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    So they picked a mascot that is strong, has the ability to heal, and can rise from the ashes. Honestly, it sounds like exactly the type of mascot you should want. But because you can't get your mind out of the gutter you feel they should change it? What do you call the person playing the piano with the Utah Symphony?

  • JMHO Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    Oh really?
    So your mascot lost. Get over it.