Taxes have been raised plenty of times to support schools. On it's face,
it's a good idea. But then the government redirects the funds that were
allocated to education to orher things, and then asks us to pay more for
education. Again. There's no plan and no accountability. If I ask you for
$20 that I'll probably spend on school, aren't you at least going to
ask how it's going to help? I give directly to my kids classes in the form
of needed materials- paper, books, kleenex, etc. Leave the overhead of
government out if it.
@ werWhat's wrong with sex education? Comprehensive Sex
Education has proven to lower STD rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion rates.
Educators in NEA promoting education? Sounds great to me! Why shouldn't we
teach comprehensive sex education? Should we stop teaching evolution or that the
earth is round because you don't like it? It's amazing the
amount of vitriol teachers receive on these pages. Many posters here claim how
little teachers work and how overpaid they are. Simple economics proves
otherwise. We have a teacher shortage not by accident or some act of god, but
simple economics. Some of you could benefit from taking a basic econ 101 class
and learn about supply and demand. "The principles and other
"administrative" personnel are sent on foreign trips all the time, at
our expense."More fake news? Also, it's principals, not
principles. But hey, I guess lying is a hot commodity these days for your side,
right? Get Educated
It is true that teachers do not get paid enough. However, trying to pass off a
permanent tax raise as "one time" is not going to help. In addition, the
bigger problem is who or what is behind this budget increase? Why, it's
the National Education Association (NEA)-the folks who want to make sure every
child, regardless of age, gets plenty of sex education (among other liberal, out
of touch with Utah values) and that no teacher can be fired, regardless the
reason.We do not want any more of their influence in this state!
I am adamantly opposed to any more tax increases! Incidentally, most people
don't know that just because the state budgets money for education, or any
other purpose, they can redirect those funds where ever they like. I say to
stop building palaces and use those funds to pay teachers better, and have
schools all year around, instead of letting those expensive buildings sit empty
for three months.
"Sherlock Holmes" made the uninformed statement that Utah is "dead
last in the nation in per pupil spending". There are several parts to this
problem that need to be recognized #1, When Scott Matheson first became Governor
of Utah, he inherited Utah's first billion dollar budget. One of the
largest pieces of the budget pie is education. Today our population has doubled
while our budget is now over SIXTEEN BILLION dollars. #2, Most of our homes are
older than most schools, and yet our educators think it is prudent to spend
money to tear down schools and build new palaces. #3 The principles and other
"administrative" personnel are sent on foreign trips all the time, at
our expense. #4 Why are people with more money than they know what to do with
(like Gail Miller) telling those who are struggling financially that they need
to pay still more? #5, when are we ever going to stop this annual cry for more
All these government promises require more and more money and the promises are
never fulfilled. One more example of why we really need to turn the schools
back to the local people and not the "experts" who have HUGE salaries
while the teachers who do the work don't. They
"promise" a one-time .45% tax, really? I'm sure it will be just
.45% but then next year it will go up again and again and again.Never ends.
Whether you realize it or not, this story is linked to the story yesterday in
the Deseret News about the new Amazon Headquarters coming to Utah. In that
story, the Deseret News reported that the state had submitted "financial
incentives" for Amazon to build here with the promise of high paying tech
jobs. What is not disclosed is "financial incentives" is code for tax
breaks including property tax. Property tax breaks for corporations need to be
approved by the local school board. So the same "business leaders" who
are pushing for a one time income tax increase are the same "business
leaders" who ask for tax breaks from the school boards for their
A recurring question I'm seeing on these pages is: We keep pouring more
money each year into education. Is that not enough?The answer is
that the number of school kids and schools keeps increasing. Utah is growing
at a fast rate. Way too fast to keep up with new schools and school teachers.
The legislature tries to allocate enough funding to cover just the new growth,
and after that, there is little left. And now, we can't as a state
hire enough teachers for the new students because other states, and other career
opportunities, pay more. This problem will not go away. You
can believe what you want about school districts and state revenues, but nothing
will solve the class size and new growth issues without additional dollars.
@alpiner Our Schools Now discloses its donors, while Americans For Prosperity
does not. The Lt Gov Office requires them to publish a list of all their donors.
I had tried to get other groups to disclose their donors who oppose the
initiative. Needless to say they lawyered up and refused. Will the opposition
disclose their donors?
Most importantly, do not overlook the fact that the "Raise my taxes"
initiative is separate from and in addition to the Legislature's promise to
increase spending of your tax dollars for education next year.The
greedy education establishment (which is not the same as the fine hard working
teachers who produce great results) will never say that they have enough money,
and no matter how much is given they will be back for more next year and the
year after.It is time for the education establishment to cut
spending on low priority programs, duplicate programs, bloated staffs, redundant
bureaucracy, ineffective programs and especially on palatial schools which add
huge costs but not a bit more education than if schools are plain and simple.Refuse to sign this deceptive ballot initiative, and refuse to allow
more money to be taken from people who work hard for it!
I like that quote that Garcia doesn't want to have her grandchildren in a
kindergarten class of 50 people in Sandy. How about the DesNews verifying if
that is even close to being accurate. These unfounded claims are ridiculous and
that is why this initiative will fail. I also like the shot at Americans for
Prosperity. Who is this education group paying as their lobbyists?
If you are happy with the education system as it is right now (I would point out
that Utah is dead last or second to dead last of the 50 states on per pupil
expenditures), don't support the proposal. If you feel that
the 30 in a classroom is too many, and you believe that it is difficult to
attract good people to be teachers, then you might consider supporting this
PLEASE support this initiative. If you are anti-tax, please re-consider. This
initiative does NOT fund the federal gov't, does NOT fund the State
gov't, and does NOT perpetuate the welfare state. It is NOT a heavy burden
to the individual tax payer. Anyone who has raised a child recently or who is
raising a child understands that our education system in Utah is under-funded
and suffering right now. Teacher shortage is a real problem but not the only
real problem. Art programs, sport programs, and music programs are being cut.
Large class size does negatively impact the education of students. Please our
children deserve our best efforts at providing a good education. This initiative
will help. And, in the long run, even those of us without children, will benefit
from a highly educated people. Please don't let your fear of losing a
little money to taxes to get in the way of helping our children and our society.
This is very thing I want my tax dollars doing. Let's do what our elected
officials don't have the guts to do. Let's do more to fund public
education. We won't regret it.
Okay, let's help teachers earn more. Let them work more hours and they can
earn more, right? Most people work year-round and get a handful or two of
holidays off, no sick pay and 2-3 weeks vacation. And believe me, their
retirements are not nearly as nice as teacher.Let's remove all
the extra holidays, spring/fall breaks, summers off and personal/sick time off
that teachers are getting. Oh, and let teachers do as most workers do and
contribute to their own 401ks and equivalent instead of a retirement paid by
taxpayers.With the money saved, we could pay teachers more and
probably hire more. Really!!
Hmmm, shocking that more people aren't signing up in droves to tax
themselves more into oblivion :-)
@Brave Sir Robin from San DiegoTeacher pay is highly correlated to crime.
I performed a linear regression on teacher salary data in Utah and noticed that
there was a very strong correlation between teacher salary and forcible rape 7-9
years later. The ultimate aim of education is character, not math scores, but
developing grit and integrity. Test scores will come as we retain the best and
FYI, there is ZERO correlation between teacher pay, classroom size, and academic
success. Teacher pay and classroom size are emotional buzzwords, but are not
linked in any way to test scores.
@water rocketYou may want to ask for names and dates of district
officials that go out of the country on school business. That is NOT a
widespread practice. If you are happy with the current funding for
teachers salary and larger class sizes, don't vote for this proposal. If
you want to see some change in those two areas, one should support it. My wife has taught 30 4th graders for the past few years. She is a
good teacher, IMO. But 30 is tooooo many.
These "financially comfortable" people should voluntarily contribute to
education instead of coveting the widow's mite and grinding further on the
face of the poor. Perhaps they hope to increase the availability of
"affordable housing" by taxing those on fixed incomes out of their
It is about time the people of Utah are stepping up and doing something about
Utah’s public education. I have taken an active role in visiting with my
local state representatives and have gotten nothing but excuses why we
can’t put more funding into education. Too many kids, not enough property
tax to go around. We have dedicated teachers in this state that are overworked
and underpaid! Why are we allowing this to happen when we are a culture that
values education! I moved here from the east and my older children received an
education during their elementary years that has benefited them into their
adulthood. Thank you to everyone working to promote Our Schools Now!! I have
signed your petition and hope to see this initiative on the ballot in November!
No way, no how!!School districts do enough raising taxes all on
their own. They don't need yet another funding source from the state.However, I WILL offer an alternative tax; how about if we stick a
10%surcharge on EVERY new car sold, and a $5.00 surcharge on EVERY Jazz ticket
sold??THOSE people have demonstrated through their purchases that
they can afford "extra" for schools.Now the "shoe is on
the other foot" - as it should be!
Education is a commitment. Our Congress Representatives and Senators have sat
on their hands for 7 years or more blaming the President for their inaction.
Working across the aisle is not what the politicians of 15 years have done since
9/11. Education is a high pocket item but it is not a groovy
proposition for most politicians. Sport activities such as the RSL and bidding
on Olympic Games is more appealing to the people that spend more than taxes on
season passes to the Jazz, RSL and Buzz tickets. College sports have problems
also, such as the Pennsylvania system with coaches and students. Taxes through legislative system are better processes than through citizen
initiatives. The Charter Schools have really benefitted with State and Federal
dollars to inflate their incomes after the first of October deadline when some
of their students go back to regular public schools with funding going back.
Their student/pupil dollars are then a loss for the District schools and the
charter schools benefit.I haven't seen the data for those
students switching back to the regular public school after October first but not
all students fit in the Charter school scene.
How is it that we who are already struggling to make ends meet are told we need
to learn to manage our finances better when we ask for more money why
doesn't someone tell the schools this .why should we have cough up more
when our income stays the same
Government keeps going down the same path as usual. To them the only answer is
to increase revenue. NEVER to cut spending. That's the only answer they
can see. They need to get out of the real estate business. Quit building fancy
vaulted ceiling schools and buildings. Quit purchases so much property. Cut
administrators salaries. Learn to live within their budget like the rest of us.
The "percentage" of taxes we pay continues to eat up our income.
It's a half of percent here and a half of percent there and NEVER stops.
The quality of school teachers surely isn't improving. My grandson comes
home from school every day bored to death. He says all his teachers spend the
whole time lecturing. I thought we got away from "lectures" years ago.
Guess not. I thought we were supposed to be getting the kids involved with
class participation. I ask kids with 4 years of high school foreign language a
simple question in a native tongue they've supposedly studied and they just
give me a blank look. We need to see results before we consider salary raises.
Not one of my grandkids can tell me who Abraham Lincoln was or who George
Washington was. ????????????????????????
I don't have faith that the money will be used to increase teacher salary
or reduce class size. Therefore I will vote no. If the federal and state
government had less involvement in education, there would be plenty of money for
local schools to make their own decisions with the help of parents. Teachers
would have higher pay, class sizes would be smaller. Our country did great
things even when it educated kids in one-room school houses. Now we pay out a
whole lot of money for what?
You have raised my property taxes beyond inflation every year, you raise my
sales taxes. Your only, I mean only answer to everything is to raise my taxes
over and over. No, I will not vote for this debacle, I will fight you every step
of the way. Go to Taxifornia if you want to throw away money that is NOT yours.
Get your filthy hands out of my pockets. You didn’t earn it, it’s
not yours, live like us within your budget.
I have yet to see a principal take a foreign trip on tax payer money. I'd
like to hear one real life true example please. Just because you "heard
it" doesn't make it true. I would also like to see any
teacher that got a $10,000 raise. I remember one district giving a 10% raise
but not a $10,000 raise. 10% for a beginning teacher would work out to be about
$3,500 which still makes their salary pitiful for a college graduate.By the way most districts got a 2-3% raise this past year but none of that
made it to the local news. That amounts to about $700.This
initiative is going to pass. We need it to pass. Our kids need it to pass. We
need qualified teachers in every classroom and we need to pay the teachers a
great salary. Not a decent salary, a great salary!I'm ready to
sign and I'm a republican. I'm tired of the rhetoric from our
legislators. I am friends with a few legislators and they are afraid if they
raise taxes they will get voted out. When I tell them we support raising taxes
for education they turn the other way. I want my kids and grandkids to have
experienced teachers. It makes a huge difference!
It's always the same with these people. Tax increase upon tax increase. I
have an idea, lets take away ALL tax dollars from the schools and let the
parents of the students pay for their schooling. Me and a lot of other people
are sick & tired of paying for the education of other people's kids. If
you can't afford to raise, educate, shelter, feed, and clothe your kids
then you shouldn't have kids. Period.
Please sign this initiative. If you have doubts, visit your local school. Look
at their success with SITLA (Trustlands funds). Schools have been able to choose
how to spend their money with parents help and its been a wonderful success. Now
with Our Schools Now, we should see amazing results!!!
@Orem Parent - Orem, UTHopefully people on fixed incomes who have to
chose between eating and paying higher taxes will speak out at the ballot box.
Over the years my property taxes have increased 50% and I'm paying more
than my fair share of taxes now.
My dad has been a high school teacher for 30+ years so maybe I'm tainted
but if I had any faith that even 50% of this money would actually be used for
what people are hoping for (smaller class sizes, higher teacher pay, etc) then
I'd go for it. But I have no faith in the school districts using this money
to truly help students. Instead it'd be wasted on pet projects. Districts
are always looking for "innovative" ways to help students instead of
just helping teachers do their jobs and helping students get more individual
attention and education. Until that changes, I'm not in favor of just
throwing more money at the problem.
You'd have to pretty un-educated to not see that tax payers cannot continue
to support increasing taxes. Our tax burden in this state is already in the top
half of America. Just say NO to another tax increase voters - tell the
politicians and educators to find ways to be more efficient and less wasteful
with the monies they already have!
When will the insanity stop? We the taxpayers of Utah already shoulder an
enormous tax burden that is killing us! Next a lot of people will have to start
choosing between paying rent or buying groceries so that we can prop up an
education system that already receives an obscene amount of tax dollars.I urge our citizens to vote NO to any additional tax increases to
support schools and education. Take a look at your property tax valuation form
and see how much you are currently shelling out for the school systems. This
has just go to stop!
It seems there will never be enough money for these folks. A record amount of
money were allocated in the State budgets in the last few years and we were told
we are heading the right direction. If businesses like this idea, why don't
they spent part of their profits in this endeavor. Maybe it's time to pare
down big infrastructures and increase online education. Many people graduate
from high schools cannot fill out a job application correctly. Many cannot even
read. And all these money for what? Money spent per student does not guarantee
much. According to reports on Utah high schools' academic progress, many
States who spent more money than Utah are far behind academically. What does
that tell me? Vote no if it comes through the ballot box.
Can someone help me out here please. My property taxes went up
$300.00 again this year after going up $300.00 last year too. Then we just
received a ballot in the mail to authorize Granite School District to obtain a
bond that would increase my property taxes about $160.00 a year more. Bet you
can't guess how we voted on the Granite School Tax bond?Now
"Our Schools Now" wants to increase our taxes even more. I'm on a
fixed income and these taxes are sinking the part of my ship that hasn't
already sunk with the Healthcare disaster we have in American. I
note that a big percentage of my $600.00 property tax increases already goes to
support schools - so who can explain to us tax payers how the powers that be can
have the unmitigated gall to ask for more of our money for education?
Anyone who doesn't support the best education possible is a fool. Our
future is an advanced technological world. Education is a continual process in
though out our lives!!!
I tend to think that laws should be made by our elected representatives, but
when they are all in the pockets of people like the Koch Brothers, it's
time for people to take action.The sales taxes increase in highly
regressive, but at least the income tax increase is more progressive. A tax on higher end homes would be a good source of revenue, but this is good
first step forward!
“It’s a business issue.” It’s a business
issue, all right. The business of charter schools. Teachers in
nearly every district just got $10,000 a year raises, which is great. I applaud
that. But sales taxes are regressive, and combine that with income tax and
it’s too much. Remember, Utah, what everyone always forgets:
we are in a boom now, and there is inevitably a bust. Do you want higher taxes
when that comes around again?
I am sorry, but throwing money at education never works. We need to get
politics out of the classroom and our education system and go back to educating
these kids without the progressive overtones.
If the legislature won't do it, we the people will. I'll
sign the first chance I get.
They need to talk to the politicians pushing another 40 million or more to do
another Olympics. Education or Olympics? Should be an easy call.
I learned recently from a school district employee that principles and
administrators routinely go on foreign trips at tax payer expense. This, along
with the absolutely wasteful tearing down of perfectly good school buildings,
and other wasteful practices needs to stop. If they did stop, there would be no
need to increase taxes even more.
The author of this article states, "Our Schools Now seeks to ask voters for
a one-time, 0.45 percent increase in sales and income tax rates in 2019, which
would generate more than $700 million in annual public education funding."
It doesn't seem to me that it is a "one-time...increase ...in
2019", rather it is an increase that also will remain in place each year
thereafter.It also seems that if we really want to ensure that the
increased funding is used effectively, it would be prudent for the school
administrators to submit an outline for how the funds would be used before
taxpayers commit to give them the money. Otherwise, there is high risk that the
money will be used to perpetuate problems (e.g., little performance assessment
and accountability especially for underperforming teachers and under-recognition
and compensation for high performing teachers).Show me your planned use of
funds, then let's talk about funding.