Army Sgt. Bergdahl pleads guilty to deserting his post

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 20, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    this is the same Bergdahl that was honored as a hero in the Rose Garden by Mr. Obama along with ma and pa Bergdahl. Once again Mr. Obama has egg on his face.

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Oct. 20, 2017 8:11 a.m.

    @Susan Storm - Sandy, UT
    Bergdahl didn't Bowe walked off one military base in an attempt to reach another base.

    The night he deserted his post he left a note saying he wanted to renounce his citizenship. Probably why he has not pleaded guilty. And Obama praised his actions????????

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Oct. 20, 2017 12:24 a.m.

    @USAlover

    "Obama's type of soldier"?

    Yeah, like Donald Trump is a true national hero. I have no idea what that comment has to do with the rest of the story except that you are still sore about Obama's presidency.

  • Susan Storm Sandy, UT
    Oct. 20, 2017 12:16 a.m.

    Bowe walked off a military base in an attempt to reach another base and was captured.

    Was it a dumb thing to do? Yes.
    Is it worthy of a life jail sentence? That seems extreme. I would say this man has probably suffered enough.

    I think it's high time we let this man leave the spotlight and stop making him a political football. He is a flawed human being who is still worthy of love and support.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2017 10:54 a.m.

    Re: silo

    Finn makes an interesting observation. He/she is suggesting that the timeline you've outlined is only what you and I have heard and read from the press. Do you think it possible that Military intelligence didn't know more about this story than we are being told, and that this information was available to Mr. Obama?

    The word "traitor" comes to mind.

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Oct. 18, 2017 5:51 a.m.

    @silo - Sandy, UT

    Silo asks "So exactly where in that timeline should Rice have become aware of Bergdahl's guilt"

    Do you seriously think that only information Rice and Obama knew about Bergdahl was what they read in the newspapers? Perhaps the military was keeping Obama in the dark about what they knew from day number one? It wouldn't surprise me.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 2:00 p.m.

    @flying finn

    "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"

    This has nothing to do with 15th century expressions and everything to do with intellectual honesty.

    June 30th, 2009 - Bergdahl goes missing from his post and is captured by the Taliban

    May 31st, 2014 - Bergdahl is released by the Taliban as part of a prisoner exchange

    June 1st, 2014 - One day after Bergdahl's release, Rice comments on him serving with honorable distinction

    October 15th, 2017 - 3+ years after his release and after Rice's comments, and following an extensive investigation, Bergdahl pleads guilty to abandoning his post.

    So exactly where in that timeline should Rice have become aware of Bergdahl's guilt in abandoning his post, considering the investigation and his subsequent guilty plea occurred in the 3+ years after her comment?

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    @silo - Sandy, UT

    Silo says "Do you honestly feel that the Commander in Chief and his Secretary of State should judge soldiers and make comments not based on their official record?"

    Sorry silo but no matter how hard you try you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and excuse Obama for praising Bergdahl the deserter.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    @hstucker

    "If anything is "reprehensible" it is the lies Obama and Susan Rice told about Bergdahl. (Google "Bergdahl honorable distinction") to see for yourself."

    Nothing like a little fabricated outrage to justify your opinion.

    Rice and Obama's comments on Bergdahl were made immediately following his recovery and prior to any investigation results regarding his disappearance. The information they had at the time of his recovery was that he volunteered, and had been promoted to specialist and then to Sergeant. All 'honorable distinctions' in his military record.

    Do you honestly feel that the Commander in Chief and his Secretary of State should judge soldiers and make comments not based on their official record, but based on some clairvoyant view of an investigation that hadn't even occurred yet?

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Oct. 17, 2017 11:38 a.m.

    @Utah Girl Chronicles - Eagle Mountain, UT

    "It's a right-wing talking point that soldiers were killed looking for Bergdahl...."

    Apparently you know more than the Pentagon does. Please contact them and tell them how terribly wrong they are. I'll also tell a personal acquaintance of mine that the young man they buried in the meadow behind their home was is not really dead, nor are the supposed other five men who were not really killed whilst trying to recover Bergdahl.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Oct. 17, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    @AT - Elk River, MN.

    It is good that you would never enlist in the military. I can tell you wouldn't even survive basic training.

    It is sad that people like you live in this country and bask in the benefits and freedom it provides, all-the-while declaring the same country as an evil empire. But then again that is exactly what this country allows.

    I've been all over the world. I've seen things that have changed me. But those things also reinforced just how remarkable the United States of America is and, with all of its flaws, is still the best game in the world.

    Why do you think people are still trying to get in anyway they can?

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    @LOU Montana - Pueblo, CO

    Yes, all these "Recliner Rambos" have clearly pointed out that there are consequences attached to deserting your post and placing the lives of you fellow solders at risk. questioning the valor of one man who has paid dearly for his mistakes.

    There is no valor in sending your mother a letter saying "I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american," or leaving a note in his tent the night he deserted his post saying he wanted to renounce his citizenship.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 17, 2017 7:20 a.m.

    As a veteran who served, I think Bergdahl should spend the rest of his life in Leavenworth, since we no longer shoot deserters in time of war, evidently.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Oct. 17, 2017 3:28 a.m.

    All of these "Recliner Rambos" questioning the valor of one man who has paid dearly for his mistakes.

    val·or
    valr/Submit
    noun
    great courage in the face of danger, especially in battle.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 16, 2017 8:40 p.m.

    Despite my being a veteran with lifetime injuries due to the military service, the censors won't allow a very critical comment about this deserter and my feeling about what the punishment should be for desertion in a time of war. Shame on the censors. I served in the military to avoid just this sort of censorship.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:59 p.m.

    @ Husker 2

    "What did the Army do that Bergdahl found 'morally reprehensible'?"

    Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara declared in his 1995 autobiography that the Vietnam War was "wrong, terribly wrong". He orchestrated that war more than anyone. When the person responsible for escalating the Vietnam War backtracks that much thirty years later, it's not inappropriate for anyone to question what they're doing in the military. Bergdahl didn't want to wait thirty years, that is all.

    It's safe to say some people are not fit to serve in the military. Jimi Hendrix and George W. Bush come to mind. Bergdahl was a flake who should have been discharged and sent home.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:57 p.m.

    I lost an uncle in WW1, a cousin in WW 2, comrades in Korea and an in-law in Vietnam so my view is execute this traitor, without further delay.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:51 p.m.

    If anything is "reprehensible" it is the lies Obama and Susan Rice told about Bergdahl. (Google "Bergdahl honorable distinction") to see for yourself.

    Now that the truth is out, America has one more reason to celebrate the miracle that Democrats are not in the White House.

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:06 p.m.

    To those combat veterans who posted here, thank you for your service. My point was not to demean or disagree with your comments but to remind those that have not served that they may wish to delay judgment until they have heard all of the relevant facts. My husband served for 30 years in the Army and I currently have four sons serving on active duty, three of whom are combat veterans who have depended on their fellow soldiers for their expertise, devotion to duty, and often their lives. I understand. I also know that war inflicts scars, the nature of which may never be understood by those who do not serve.

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:06 p.m.

    Re: Impartial7 - DRAPER, UT

    During the Vietnam War some men enlisted but the great majority were conscripts that were compulsorily forced to serve in a war we had not intention of winning.

    There was nothing dishonorable about seeking deferments to avoid that useless waste of human lives.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 3:55 p.m.

    AT:
    "You go to work, you find that your employer does many things that are morally reprehensible..."

    I notice you use this line, morally reprehensible, several times. Certainly none of us are so naive as to believe that the military or the US are perfect and never do anything immoral. However, your inferences are what I find "morally reprehensible".

    You sound like an academic who's "done the research" but never lived the reality. You have no idea what patriotic sons and daughters sacrifice in the military so you can sit comfortably behind your computer finger-pointing. There are times when war requires subterfuge and brings out the ugly side of humanity. The least you could do is show some measure of respect and gratitude for those who have sacrificed and lived that reality so you didn't have to. But no, instead you question their "intelligence" and minimize their service to our COUNTRY, by painting it as some evil "empire". By all means, if you don't enjoy the freedoms of said "empire", your free to bask under the sun in Syria, where goodness abounds and there is nothing "morally reprehensible".

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    @AT - Elk River, MN

    There is a difference between going to work for 7-11 and signing an agreement with the United States Military. When you sign a military contract both you and the military agree in writing to specific guarantees.

    I'm a little surprised that you didn't know that.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:45 p.m.

    Once again, the leftist posters on this thread demonstrate that the charge of anti-americanism is very much a charge they plead "guilty" to.

    Heck, half of them are openly rooting for the terrorists. Right, AT?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:39 p.m.

    @AT - Elk River, MN

    Elk River .... apparently you do need the advice from Surg that aren't forced to join today's military. When a person does decide to enlist however they sign on the dotted line to commit for a specified the make a commitment to serve.

    Google "integrity".

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:17 p.m.

    @Husker2 - Of course someone should be able to quit whenever they want. You want the alternative - someone out there who can't be depended upon? An added benefit of such a change is that it might limit the empire to only doing those things with its military that really are in support of freedom and liberty (as opposed to the morally reprehensible actions currently happening in Afghanistan - for example). With your long tenure in support of the empire, it may be that you're no longer able to make that distinction. If only we had a military with the intelligence to recognize the importance the oath they took and the courage to live up to it...

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:15 p.m.

    @USAlover;
    "Obama's type of soldier."

    As opposed to the type of soldier Trump was? 5 military deferments to Vietnam (one for bone spurs that kept him out of the Army, but not off the tennis team) while many other young men joined to fight for their country?

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:12 p.m.

    Military Mom,

    I’m a 3rd generation soldier. Grandfather was in WW2, father in Vietnam twice, and I’ve served in 3 combat zones, and 2 hostile fire areas.

    The world, especially Europe and asia

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:48 p.m.

    @ Surf is Up

    It's a right-wing talking point that soldiers were killed looking for Bergdahl. As the article states, "A Navy SEAL who suffered a career-ending leg wound and an Army National Guard sergeant whose head wound put him in a wheelchair would not have been hurt in firefights had they not been searching for Bergdahl, the judge has ruled."

    Lt. William Calley was convicted of murdering 22 Vietnamese women and children in 1971. He's been a free man since 1974. While what Bergdahl was wrong, and while he definitely endangered others, let's not lose perspective. War makes people do things they would not ordinarily do.

  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    From Deseret News June 5, 2014 Dan Liljenquist - In 2009 while serving in Afghanistan, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl abandoned his post and disappeared. He left a letter in his tent saying that he was disillusioned with the army, no longer supported the American mission in Afghanistan, and was walking away to start a new life. Upon leaving the safety of the U.S. military base, Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban. In the subsequent weeks, as U.S. military commanders frantically sought to rescue Bergdahl, several U.S. soldiers, including some from Bergdahl’s own unit, were killed in Taliban ambushes while searching for him. Eventually, Bergdahl’s perfidy became known, and the military stopped looking for him. Since apparently no one was willing to risk more American lives for a suspected deserter, , the Obama administration began negotiating with the Taliban for Bergdahl’s release. The Obama administration’s actions in the Bergdahl saga are inexplicable, inexcusable. The President, by trying not to do “stupid stuff”, has backed us into a devastating and dangerous foreign policy reversal. President Obama has announced to terrorists that the United States is willing to negotiate.

  • Husker2 International Falls, MN
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:11 p.m.

    The military has a process for reporting grievances. There is a chain of command for a reason. Walking away from one's post is inexcusable.

    @AT "You go to work, you find that your employer does many things that are morally reprehensible, then, if you decide you don't like your job any longer and don't want to work for your employer, your employer can throw you in jail for the rest of your life."

    What did the Army do that Bergdahl found "morally reprehensible"? Do you feel the military should just let people quit whenever they want?

    military mom "I am assuming that those commenting are all combat veterans who have endured the horrors of war and always reacted heroically in spite of physical, mental, and emotional challenges."

    I am a combat veteran with over 30 years in uniform...21 years on active duty. It doesn't take combat experience to know that what Bergdahl did was wrong.

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:07 p.m.

    @Surf - not defending Bergdahl. Just noting another reason not to join the military. And, no, I didn't need your advice not to join. And, no, you don't speak for all Americans. Fortunately, more and more are waking up to the lies the empire tells.

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    @majmajor - perhaps you missed it when we learned that the people flying those planes on 9/11 were from, wait for it, not Afghanistan (did you ever commit the thought crime to ask the question why we didn't attack the country(ies) that did have a greater role in 9/11?). Perhaps you also aren't aware that the US forces in Afghanistan have committed one atrocity after another in support of a war that has nothing to to with what happened on 9/11. There certainly are reasons for why US troops are there - but it's not "defending our freedom." Sure, Osama was hanging out there, but the death and destruction wrought by US forces surely exceeds the justification.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    @AT--When you join the military, you willingly accept those rules, regulations and conditions. This is not employment, it is not a job--you become a part of a military unit, whose members' safety and lives depend on each other, on everyone performing their duty. If you don't, you not only jeopardize your own life and safety, but also those of your unit, and you jeopardize the success of the mission, which may have far-reaching consequences. That is why the regulations exist, and it is why enforcement of those regulations needs to be strict and unwavering.

    And you're right--those who don't get it, and who don't like those rules, should not enlist in the military. Thank heavens for those who do, and who perform their duty in combined efforts to preserve our freedoms.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Oct. 16, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    @AT - Elk River, MN "As if you needed another reason to not join the military...."

    Bergdahl joined the army.

    Bergdahl decided he didn't agree with what the army was doing.

    Bergdahl decided to desert his post.

    Bergdahl's subsequent capture by the Taliban led to others (who also joined the army) being killed and wounded.

    95% of those who join the army know what they are getting themselves into. They know what it is to be disciplined and loyal to an oath they took. Otherwise they leave before turning to treason.

    Perhaps you and Bergdahl fall from the same tree. My advice is for you never to join the military. All Americans will be better off without you there. The other soldiers who understand how precarious and dangerous this world really are will continue to protect you from afar. Even if that means you will not appreciate what they do.

    BTW: I never served in the army. I was a Marine. Is that good enough Military Mom?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 11:14 a.m.

    @military mom - Herriman, UT

    In a letter to his mother Bergdahl said "I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american."

    In a note he left in his tent the night he deserted his post Bergdahl said he wanted to renounce his citizenship.

    He plead guilty this morning and maybe that will save him from getting a life sentence.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    Since I haven't spent 5 seconds in the military much less 5 seconds in combat - I'm not going to judge the guy. However, there must some form of accountability.

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    I am assuming that those commenting are all combat veterans who have endured the horrors of war and always reacted heroically in spite of physical, mental, and emotional challenges. Otherwise, they would surely pause before judging any soldier unless they had first walked in his boots.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:55 a.m.

    Obama's type of soldier.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:47 a.m.

    AT,

    The nation is at war started by killing 3 thousand Americans civilians the Sergeant was a coward in a combat zone, and led to the deaths and injuries to better and braver Americans then most others. Without these brave Americans in the service of our nation the NFL wouldn’t have a flag to protest.

    He deserves a long prison sentence.

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:06 a.m.

    As if you needed another reason to not join the military... You go to work, you find that your employer does many things that are morally reprehensible, then, if you decide you don't like your job any longer and don't want to work for your employer, your employer can throw you in jail for the rest of your life.