this is the same Bergdahl that was honored as a hero in the Rose Garden by Mr.
Obama along with ma and pa Bergdahl. Once again Mr. Obama has egg on his face.
@Susan Storm - Sandy, UTBergdahl didn't Bowe walked off one military
base in an attempt to reach another base.The night he deserted his
post he left a note saying he wanted to renounce his citizenship. Probably why
he has not pleaded guilty. And Obama praised his actions????????
@USAlover"Obama's type of soldier"?Yeah,
like Donald Trump is a true national hero. I have no idea what that comment has
to do with the rest of the story except that you are still sore about
Bowe walked off a military base in an attempt to reach another base and was
captured.Was it a dumb thing to do? Yes. Is it worthy of a
life jail sentence? That seems extreme. I would say this man has probably
suffered enough.I think it's high time we let this man leave
the spotlight and stop making him a political football. He is a flawed human
being who is still worthy of love and support.
Re: siloFinn makes an interesting observation. He/she is
suggesting that the timeline you've outlined is only what you and I have
heard and read from the press. Do you think it possible that Military
intelligence didn't know more about this story than we are being told, and
that this information was available to Mr. Obama?The word
"traitor" comes to mind.
@silo - Sandy, UTSilo asks "So exactly where in that timeline
should Rice have become aware of Bergdahl's guilt"Do you
seriously think that only information Rice and Obama knew about Bergdahl was
what they read in the newspapers? Perhaps the military was keeping Obama in the
dark about what they knew from day number one? It wouldn't surprise me.
@flying finn"you can't make a silk purse out of a
sow's ear"This has nothing to do with 15th century
expressions and everything to do with intellectual honesty. June
30th, 2009 - Bergdahl goes missing from his post and is captured by the
TalibanMay 31st, 2014 - Bergdahl is released by the Taliban as part
of a prisoner exchangeJune 1st, 2014 - One day after Bergdahl's
release, Rice comments on him serving with honorable distinctionOctober 15th, 2017 - 3+ years after his release and after Rice's
comments, and following an extensive investigation, Bergdahl pleads guilty to
abandoning his post.So exactly where in that timeline should Rice
have become aware of Bergdahl's guilt in abandoning his post, considering
the investigation and his subsequent guilty plea occurred in the 3+ years after
@silo - Sandy, UTSilo says "Do you honestly feel that the
Commander in Chief and his Secretary of State should judge soldiers and make
comments not based on their official record?"Sorry silo but no
matter how hard you try you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear
and excuse Obama for praising Bergdahl the deserter.
@hstucker"If anything is "reprehensible" it is the lies
Obama and Susan Rice told about Bergdahl. (Google "Bergdahl honorable
distinction") to see for yourself."Nothing like a little
fabricated outrage to justify your opinion.Rice and Obama's
comments on Bergdahl were made immediately following his recovery and prior to
any investigation results regarding his disappearance. The information they
had at the time of his recovery was that he volunteered, and had been promoted
to specialist and then to Sergeant. All 'honorable distinctions' in
his military record.Do you honestly feel that the Commander in Chief
and his Secretary of State should judge soldiers and make comments not based on
their official record, but based on some clairvoyant view of an investigation
that hadn't even occurred yet?
@Utah Girl Chronicles - Eagle Mountain, UT"It's a
right-wing talking point that soldiers were killed looking for
Bergdahl...."Apparently you know more than the Pentagon does.
Please contact them and tell them how terribly wrong they are. I'll also
tell a personal acquaintance of mine that the young man they buried in the
meadow behind their home was is not really dead, nor are the supposed other five
men who were not really killed whilst trying to recover Bergdahl.
@AT - Elk River, MN. It is good that you would never enlist in the
military. I can tell you wouldn't even survive basic training.It is sad that people like you live in this country and bask in the benefits
and freedom it provides, all-the-while declaring the same country as an evil
empire. But then again that is exactly what this country allows.I've been all over the world. I've seen things that have changed me.
But those things also reinforced just how remarkable the United States of
America is and, with all of its flaws, is still the best game in the world. Why do you think people are still trying to get in anyway they can?
@LOU Montana - Pueblo, COYes, all these "Recliner Rambos"
have clearly pointed out that there are consequences attached to deserting your
post and placing the lives of you fellow solders at risk. questioning the valor
of one man who has paid dearly for his mistakes.There is no valor in
sending your mother a letter saying "I have seen their ideas and I am
ashamed to even be american," or leaving a note in his tent the night he
deserted his post saying he wanted to renounce his citizenship.
As a veteran who served, I think Bergdahl should spend the rest of his life in
Leavenworth, since we no longer shoot deserters in time of war, evidently.
All of these "Recliner Rambos" questioning the valor of one man who has
paid dearly for his mistakes.val·orvalr/Submitnoungreat courage in the face of danger, especially in battle.
Despite my being a veteran with lifetime injuries due to the military service,
the censors won't allow a very critical comment about this deserter and my
feeling about what the punishment should be for desertion in a time of war.
Shame on the censors. I served in the military to avoid just this sort of
@ Husker 2"What did the Army do that Bergdahl found
'morally reprehensible'?"Secretary of Defense Robert
McNamara declared in his 1995 autobiography that the Vietnam War was "wrong,
terribly wrong". He orchestrated that war more than anyone. When the person
responsible for escalating the Vietnam War backtracks that much thirty years
later, it's not inappropriate for anyone to question what they're
doing in the military. Bergdahl didn't want to wait thirty years, that is
all.It's safe to say some people are not fit to serve in the
military. Jimi Hendrix and George W. Bush come to mind. Bergdahl was a flake who
should have been discharged and sent home.
I lost an uncle in WW1, a cousin in WW 2, comrades in Korea and an in-law in
Vietnam so my view is execute this traitor, without further delay.
If anything is "reprehensible" it is the lies Obama and Susan Rice told
about Bergdahl. (Google "Bergdahl honorable distinction") to see for
yourself.Now that the truth is out, America has one more reason to
celebrate the miracle that Democrats are not in the White House.
To those combat veterans who posted here, thank you for your service. My point
was not to demean or disagree with your comments but to remind those that have
not served that they may wish to delay judgment until they have heard all of the
relevant facts. My husband served for 30 years in the Army and I currently have
four sons serving on active duty, three of whom are combat veterans who have
depended on their fellow soldiers for their expertise, devotion to duty, and
often their lives. I understand. I also know that war inflicts scars, the nature
of which may never be understood by those who do not serve.
Re: Impartial7 - DRAPER, UTDuring the Vietnam War some men enlisted
but the great majority were conscripts that were compulsorily forced to serve in
a war we had not intention of winning. There was nothing
dishonorable about seeking deferments to avoid that useless waste of human
AT:"You go to work, you find that your employer does many things that
are morally reprehensible..."I notice you use this line, morally
reprehensible, several times. Certainly none of us are so naive as to believe
that the military or the US are perfect and never do anything immoral. However,
your inferences are what I find "morally reprehensible".You
sound like an academic who's "done the research" but never lived
the reality. You have no idea what patriotic sons and daughters sacrifice in the
military so you can sit comfortably behind your computer finger-pointing. There
are times when war requires subterfuge and brings out the ugly side of humanity.
The least you could do is show some measure of respect and gratitude for those
who have sacrificed and lived that reality so you didn't have to. But no,
instead you question their "intelligence" and minimize their service to
our COUNTRY, by painting it as some evil "empire". By all means, if you
don't enjoy the freedoms of said "empire", your free to bask under
the sun in Syria, where goodness abounds and there is nothing "morally
@AT - Elk River, MNThere is a difference between going to work for
7-11 and signing an agreement with the United States Military. When you sign a
military contract both you and the military agree in writing to specific
guarantees.I'm a little surprised that you didn't know
Once again, the leftist posters on this thread demonstrate that the charge of
anti-americanism is very much a charge they plead "guilty" to.Heck, half of them are openly rooting for the terrorists. Right, AT?
@AT - Elk River, MNElk River .... apparently you do need the advice
from Surg that aren't forced to join today's military. When a person
does decide to enlist however they sign on the dotted line to commit for a
specified the make a commitment to serve. Google
@Husker2 - Of course someone should be able to quit whenever they want. You want
the alternative - someone out there who can't be depended upon? An added
benefit of such a change is that it might limit the empire to only doing those
things with its military that really are in support of freedom and liberty (as
opposed to the morally reprehensible actions currently happening in Afghanistan
- for example). With your long tenure in support of the empire, it may be that
you're no longer able to make that distinction. If only we had a military
with the intelligence to recognize the importance the oath they took and the
courage to live up to it...
@USAlover;"Obama's type of soldier."As opposed to
the type of soldier Trump was? 5 military deferments to Vietnam (one for bone
spurs that kept him out of the Army, but not off the tennis team) while many
other young men joined to fight for their country?
Military Mom,I’m a 3rd generation soldier. Grandfather was in
WW2, father in Vietnam twice, and I’ve served in 3 combat zones, and 2
hostile fire areas. The world, especially Europe and asia
@ Surf is UpIt's a right-wing talking point that soldiers were
killed looking for Bergdahl. As the article states, "A Navy SEAL who
suffered a career-ending leg wound and an Army National Guard sergeant whose
head wound put him in a wheelchair would not have been hurt in firefights had
they not been searching for Bergdahl, the judge has ruled."Lt.
William Calley was convicted of murdering 22 Vietnamese women and children in
1971. He's been a free man since 1974. While what Bergdahl was wrong, and
while he definitely endangered others, let's not lose perspective. War
makes people do things they would not ordinarily do.
From Deseret News June 5, 2014 Dan Liljenquist - In 2009 while serving in
Afghanistan, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl abandoned his post and disappeared. He left a
letter in his tent saying that he was disillusioned with the army, no longer
supported the American mission in Afghanistan, and was walking away to start a
new life. Upon leaving the safety of the U.S. military base, Bergdahl was
captured by the Taliban. In the subsequent weeks, as U.S. military commanders
frantically sought to rescue Bergdahl, several U.S. soldiers, including some
from Bergdahl’s own unit, were killed in Taliban ambushes while searching
for him. Eventually, Bergdahl’s perfidy became known, and the military
stopped looking for him. Since apparently no one was willing to risk more
American lives for a suspected deserter, , the Obama administration began
negotiating with the Taliban for Bergdahl’s release. The Obama
administration’s actions in the Bergdahl saga are inexplicable,
inexcusable. The President, by trying not to do “stupid stuff”, has
backed us into a devastating and dangerous foreign policy reversal. President
Obama has announced to terrorists that the United States is willing to
The military has a process for reporting grievances. There is a chain of
command for a reason. Walking away from one's post is inexcusable.@AT "You go to work, you find that your employer does many things
that are morally reprehensible, then, if you decide you don't like your job
any longer and don't want to work for your employer, your employer can
throw you in jail for the rest of your life."What did the Army
do that Bergdahl found "morally reprehensible"? Do you feel the
military should just let people quit whenever they want? military
mom "I am assuming that those commenting are all combat veterans who have
endured the horrors of war and always reacted heroically in spite of physical,
mental, and emotional challenges."I am a combat veteran with
over 30 years in uniform...21 years on active duty. It doesn't take combat
experience to know that what Bergdahl did was wrong.
@Surf - not defending Bergdahl. Just noting another reason not to join the
military. And, no, I didn't need your advice not to join. And, no, you
don't speak for all Americans. Fortunately, more and more are waking up to
the lies the empire tells.
@majmajor - perhaps you missed it when we learned that the people flying those
planes on 9/11 were from, wait for it, not Afghanistan (did you ever commit the
thought crime to ask the question why we didn't attack the country(ies)
that did have a greater role in 9/11?). Perhaps you also aren't aware that
the US forces in Afghanistan have committed one atrocity after another in
support of a war that has nothing to to with what happened on 9/11. There
certainly are reasons for why US troops are there - but it's not
"defending our freedom." Sure, Osama was hanging out there, but the
death and destruction wrought by US forces surely exceeds the justification.
@AT--When you join the military, you willingly accept those rules, regulations
and conditions. This is not employment, it is not a job--you become a part of a
military unit, whose members' safety and lives depend on each other, on
everyone performing their duty. If you don't, you not only jeopardize your
own life and safety, but also those of your unit, and you jeopardize the success
of the mission, which may have far-reaching consequences. That is why the
regulations exist, and it is why enforcement of those regulations needs to be
strict and unwavering.And you're right--those who don't
get it, and who don't like those rules, should not enlist in the military.
Thank heavens for those who do, and who perform their duty in combined efforts
to preserve our freedoms.
@AT - Elk River, MN "As if you needed another reason to not join the
military...."Bergdahl joined the army.Bergdahl
decided he didn't agree with what the army was doing.Bergdahl
decided to desert his post.Bergdahl's subsequent capture by the
Taliban led to others (who also joined the army) being killed and wounded.95% of those who join the army know what they are getting themselves
into. They know what it is to be disciplined and loyal to an oath they took.
Otherwise they leave before turning to treason.Perhaps you and
Bergdahl fall from the same tree. My advice is for you never to join the
military. All Americans will be better off without you there. The other
soldiers who understand how precarious and dangerous this world really are will
continue to protect you from afar. Even if that means you will not appreciate
what they do.BTW: I never served in the army. I was a Marine. Is
that good enough Military Mom?
@military mom - Herriman, UTIn a letter to his mother Bergdahl said
"I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american."In a note he left in his tent the night he deserted his post Bergdahl said he
wanted to renounce his citizenship.He plead guilty this morning and
maybe that will save him from getting a life sentence.
Since I haven't spent 5 seconds in the military much less 5 seconds in
combat - I'm not going to judge the guy. However, there must some form of
I am assuming that those commenting are all combat veterans who have endured the
horrors of war and always reacted heroically in spite of physical, mental, and
emotional challenges. Otherwise, they would surely pause before judging any
soldier unless they had first walked in his boots.
Obama's type of soldier.
AT,The nation is at war started by killing 3 thousand Americans
civilians the Sergeant was a coward in a combat zone, and led to the deaths and
injuries to better and braver Americans then most others. Without these brave
Americans in the service of our nation the NFL wouldn’t have a flag to
protest.He deserves a long prison sentence.
As if you needed another reason to not join the military... You go to work, you
find that your employer does many things that are morally reprehensible, then,
if you decide you don't like your job any longer and don't want to
work for your employer, your employer can throw you in jail for the rest of your