'Specter of Trump' hangs over 3rd Congressional District debate

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  • dotGone Puyallup, WA
    Oct. 18, 2017 5:34 a.m.

    To those who think this president will or should be impeached: a president can't be impeached because you don't like him. News media and Hollywood trade in slander, rumors and gossip to attack anything Trump does, but legal action has to have some basis in fact and evidence.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:27 p.m.

    To get the Trump effect to work, just say anything not matter how unreasonable that the crowd wants to hear and make up funny names for your opponents.

  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:24 p.m.

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  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    @Anti-Trump - Everett, WA

    Bill Clinton looked Americans straight in the eye and said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false."

  • Anti-Trump Everett, WA
    Oct. 16, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    If we are going to bring Bill Clinton into this --

    I remind conservatives --
    you had no less than 3 Congressional investigations,
    and you IMPEACHED Bill Clinton.

    So, where is your moral indignation over Trump?
    Where is your investigations?

    [Oh, I see - Trump is one of you, so now it's OK to just ignore it?]

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:53 a.m.


    If we are going to talk about allegations against Bill Clinton (again someone I wouldn't vote for) then it's only fair play to include all of the allegations against Trump. There are almost as many of those as there are members of his executive he has hired then fired.

    Still, do Trumpublicans feel it fair to blame the spouse for her husband's sins. Bill Clinton didn’t run in 2016. Hillary did.

  • FelisConcolor Layton, UT
    Oct. 15, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    "I too abhor Bill Clinton's actions, but to compare his sexual involvement with a consenting adult (granted an unethical relationship)"

    Which one would that be?

    Juanita Broadderick, who accused Bill Clinton of rape nearly 20 years ago and has never recanted her allegations?

    Or Kathleen Willey, who accused him of sexual assault, and has never recanted her allegations?

    Or Paula Jones, who accused him of sexual harassment, and who received a Weinstein-esque financial settlement from Bill?

    Or are you talking about the dozens of other women who claimed to have a sexual relationship with Bill Clinton over the years, a good percentage of which were likely not ethical or consensual?

    Even if you are talking about Monica Lewinsky, the President of the United States having a consensual sexual relationship with an intern half his age is a textbook example of sexual harassment, and is prohibited by virtually every corporation and government agency.

  • FelisConcolor Layton, UT
    Oct. 15, 2017 10:12 a.m.

    After reading this article and these comments it appears the same delusions which have afflicted Hillary Clinton for the past year have infected the Utah Democrat Party today.

    Unless they cave to the Democrats on amnesty, gun control, and health care, the Republicans will still control both Houses of Congress after the 2018 elections. And Trump will win re-election in 2020.

    The Democrat Party has become the Party of the 1%, and has no grasp of middle- and working-class concerns. Dr. Allen is a perfect example of just how out of step the Democrats are with the average Utahn.

  • EternalIyImpermanent Costa Rica, 00
    Oct. 15, 2017 10:03 a.m.

    @Rick for Truth: Curious why you don't see any of the candidates who participated in the debate as conservative.

    Does the Libertarian Joe Buchman's fiscal conservatism count? Or are you looking for something different?

    If the is a candidate that champions the free agency of voters in Utah's Third Congressional District, it appears to be Dr. Buchman.

  • TeachyMcTeacherPants Sandy, UT
    Oct. 15, 2017 9:36 a.m.

    Kathie Allen is right.

    If Trump keeps this up Republicans are going to lose big time in 2018 and 2020.

    Moderate Republicans need to stand up and start showing a backbone. They've let the monkeys run the circus for too long.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Oct. 15, 2017 7:48 a.m.

    It seems the bandwagon is loaded with the antiTrump group. In case we have forgotten, Donald Trump is not your average politician. He did not enlist the assistance of others to finance his political campaign. He is doing things like no other politicians do. It seems Trump wants me to have a tax cut. I am sure all of the antiTrump candidates will want to increase our taxes. Why would I want to vote for them? So, call it as you may and get loud as you wish, but the truth is, Utah is a very conservative state. The new political party is nothing more than another dressed up liberal leaning party which will divide the minority voters in the district. How soon have we forgotten the "Vote for it before you can read it" echoed by the Democrats of both corridors of Congress as they pushed to pass the Unaffordable Obamacare. Trump is not perfect but good heavens! I'm so glad he is the President of the United States of America.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Oct. 15, 2017 6:32 a.m.

    @ The Meliorist : Harvey Weinstein's payoffs to Hollywood and his massive donations to the Democrats, and their subsequent hypocritical cover-ups have fully demonstrated that America need not listen to Hollywood or Democrat's lectures about morality any longer!

  • jparry Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 11:34 p.m.

    "It's been far worse than this multiple times." We've certainly had many moments of polarization and angry conflict in Washington, D.C., over the country's lifetime, but no, Mr. Curtis, I don't think we've ever had it worse than now.

    We have a president who in an unprecedented way and to an unprecedented degree is simply not fit to be president. His style, as George Will wrote just yesterday, isn't even "governance by tantrum, but rather tantrum as governance." We have a Republican-led Congress that doesn't stand up to Mr. Trump's vindictive, petty way of being, nor have they shown us that they can govern, either. Sen. Corker told us that he is "putting the country on a path towards World War 3"; none of his colleagues either affirm or deny this statement. That's scary.

    Mr. Curtis has been a very good mayor, and at another time, such as the time long ago when moderate Republicans roamed the earth, he would have perhaps been a very good representative of this state. But not now, when his only chance for success will require him to only be seen, not heard.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    Oct. 14, 2017 10:14 p.m.

    What in Tucket wrote:

    "Trump has never been proven to harass a woman."

    Actually he admitted it himself twice. I too abhor Bill Clinton's actions, but to compare his sexual involvement with a consenting adult (granted an unethical relationship) to Trump's self-admitted ogling of underage girls while dressing and unwantedly groping married women? And that is just the stuff he has confessed (bragged about).

    This is why true Republicans who may not have supported Hillary (McMullin here) would never, ever again support Trump. The word that comes to mind is creep.

    Yes, as one respected Republican Senator admitted, "The White House has become an adult day care, and it looks like someone missed their shift."

    Real Republicans are more upset about Donald Trump than the Democrats, because they realize the horrible damage he is doing to the party AND the country.

    Save us Mitt!

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:22 p.m.

    So we want a candidate who is going to support Trump policies? A wall? Are we really so set against letting people come join their families, find jobs, and move to a country they love that we would spend, say, $25 billion to lock them out? I am not so set against these people that I want so much of my money spent to deprive them of coming to our country. Health care? I do not like Obamacare, but have not seen anything being suggested that is an improvement. Nothing. And, now Trump is acting on executive authority. Will Curtis support keeping the measures in place even though they are being achieved by executive order? Tax reform? Are we big enough to see that if we are being promised tax cuts, that means the national deficit -- already one of our nation's biggest problems -- could get even bigger? And who will get so much of the tax cuts? Isn't it the rich? Cutting the rich a favor at a time when the national debt is so out of hand doesn't seem wise. If we elect Curtis, are we going to get someone who is promising to come in and line up behind Trump policies? If so, I want one of the other candidates.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 4:58 p.m.

    Rick, that's the problem.
    You and many others would have voted for literally anybody except Hillary. Literally. Anybody. That's a scary thought for true Americans.

    Trump is not a good or honest person, not a good or honest businessman, and a wholly unqualified President.

    Them's the facts.

  • J2 Riverton, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 4:22 p.m.

    To be honest, Joe Buchmann is perhaps the only candidate with anything remotely credible to stand for. The other three don't seem to have any principles whatsoever.

    A few of the principles from his website:
    "Rigorous financial integrity"
    "Peaceful social acceptance"
    "Individual personal liberty"

    Sounds like some real ideals I can get behind. Too bad I don't live in that district...

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Oct. 14, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    Its been very interesting and educational to watch the left's response to President Trump's successes! Their only offering is how much they hate President Trump! Still they have no plan, no vision, no hope! Do they really think rational American will vote for them on that basis? Best of all, they STILL can't figure out why they lost both houses of Congress, the WH and now over 70% of governors are GOP! Carry on Democrats, the GOP hopes you never wake up!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    The spectre of trump, or perhaps better described as a pall, hangs over a lot more than that.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    To LDS Liberal & Ralph; every day I wake up and Hillary is NOT the POTUS, I get on my knees and thank God! You may hate Trump, but he loves America! The payments to the insurance companies were Unconstitutional, illegal, and the RINO’s and Democrat congressmen did not have the nerve to challenge it. We still have a lot to do in removing weak kneed RINO’s to finally get Obamacare killed. Real tax reform, and yes, the fence built! Way to Go Trump!

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    "No president has done more for the country in such a short time...His agenda is super good, the wall, tax cuts, free market health care, a decent military, etc....Trump has never been proven to harass a woman."

    How did this satire get past the censors.

    "Trump has never been proven to harass a woman." Except, of course, by his own admission.

    George Orwell is rolling in his grave. "Everything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth."

  • migraine Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 12:19 p.m.

    The Republicans" method for healthcare reform so far has been a handful of panicked backroom proposals, developed in secret, which turn out to be nothing more than mean-spirited cuts without any true reforms or "care." Now the Republicans' beloved Trump plans to blow up the healthcare markets entirely (note to GOP: when you blow something up yourself, you don't get to blame Obama for the mess).

    Now they're moving on to tax reform, which, true to form, consists of a bunch of massive cuts to the highest income bracket and the wealthy estate tax (only couples with estates over $10mil even pay anything). Banquets for billionaires, crumbs for the commoners.

    We need responsible non-chaos candidates like Kathie Allen to help prevent any more Republicans from "fixing" anything. Curtis might be running away from any mention of Trump, but he & his fellow Republicans are very much the ones who elected Trump, and who continue to pledge their allegiance & support for our chaos president. Kathie Allen is the exact opposite of the "adult day care" scenario that's otherwise unfolding. Responsible grandmas, unite!

  • Trudere Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    3rd District voters in 2016 wholeheartedly embraced the conservatism of Ted Cruz over Donald Trump's dubious history. But since Trump took office, he's shown he's clearly working for the middle class and the issues we've been so exasperated at the GOP Congress over. Democrats are sabotaging the agenda the people want. Kathie Rodham Allen et.al. will only make things worse. John Curtis knows how to negotiate and get things done in a positive atmosphere.

  • Goldminer Salem, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    Too bad these candidates make President Trump the issue and NOT what the People need: honesty, patriotism, integrity, courage and doing the correct Constitutional things. Our current Congress (and has been for many years) is full of corrupt people who do not really care for America unless it fattens their pockets. OK, I know there are some who are not corrupt but I am not sure I can name them. So, be offended if you wish, and turn down any tax cuts you may see coming so you can be supportive of the dems. [Sarcasm]

  • peabody Steamboat Springs, CO
    Oct. 14, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    For reasons too many to mention please elect a representative who'll vote to
    Impeach Trump when the time surely comes.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    @Shaun "All I can say is if trump gets us in a war with NK over words it will be the down fall of his presidency."

    It will be the deaths of all of us.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    "All I can say is if trump gets us in a war with NK over words it will be the down fall of his presidency."

    How about the entire world?

    Make America Sane (and Safe) Again

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    I think people republicans tolerate Trump but he definitely has some fanboys.

    Trump hasn't accomplished much so it is a wait and see how he impacts the party over the next decade. All I can say is if trump gets us in a war with NK over words it will be the down fall of his presidency.

  • CaliCougar American Fork, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    “The Spector of trump hangs over and pollutes the entire world.”

    “Yes, Utah has a great reputation when it comes to believing in con men and their affinity frauds.”

    “which torch do you support? Liberty or the Fascists?”

    Seriously....please tone down the rhetoric. It doesn’t contribute to the issues we face today in our country.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:25 a.m.

    'Specter of Trump' hangs over 3rd Congressional District debate
    'Specter of Trump' hangs over Republicans
    'Specter of Trump' hangs over America
    'Specter of Trump' hangs over the World

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:24 a.m.

    Better an elephant in the room than a donkey' Touche. I liked Dr.Allen's picture of those torches - they remind me of Democrats' antifa hoodlums on one of their rampages. The good Doctor doesn't need to go to Washington to "diagnose' the problems, she can and should do it right now. Some of us may want a second opinion. @Egyptian Origins - The health crisis is not over. Trump merely rescinded by executive order that which Obama instituted by executive order, using funds to give financial aid to insurers to buoy up ACA. By the Constitution, Congress is the body to allocate appropriations. This allocation was not part of the ACA passed by Congress. Trump merely corrected a deviation from our Constitution. So, Obamacare is still on the path to a crash; as Obama intended ACA to be a stepping stone to a more government-controlled healthcare system.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:25 a.m.

    In my view Curtis = Trump.

    After pulling the rug out from under the health care of millions of Americans, Trump will go down in history as shameful, along with his enablers -- such as Curtis.

    Kathie Allen is the only true moral choice in this election.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    No president has done more for the country in such a short time. Stock market up $5 trillion plus and more on the way. His agenda is super good, the wall, tax cuts, free market health care, a decent military, etc. Looks like Curtis is my man.
    As for sexual indiscretions surely Bill Clinton activities are horrendous and Harvey Weinstein's activities are just the tip of the iceberg for Hollywood. Trump has never been proven to harass a woman.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 9:03 a.m.

    Personal attacks and negative campaign strategies usually indicate desperation on the part of someone who cannot address legitimate issues and is far behind in the polls. This says more about Kathy Allen's credibility than it does about John Curtis. Hopefully Utahns will see through this unfortunate attempt at diversion.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    I'm not sure which candidate I'd vote for, but they are all better candidates than Herod would of been.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    The Spector of trump hangs over and pollutes the entire world.

    Maybe the 25th Amendment might save us.

    Make America Sane (and Safe) Again

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    "President Trump is very popular in Utah..."

    Yes, Utah has a great reputation when it comes to believing in con men and their affinity frauds.

    "In this bottle I hold Liberal Tears, guaranteed to salve all your social worries. Step right up, folks. All it'll cost you is your allegiance with the Dark One himself. Sign right here, please."

  • whatsup1 Kekaha, HI
    Oct. 14, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    I'm reading the comment about no one being worth voting for reminds me of our past presidential election when both popular political parties put the worst possible candidate they could on the platform for election.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Oct. 14, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    President Trump is very popular in Utah and among the middle class in most of America! Is that the "Spector of Trump"? His approval rating is about 45% depending on which poll you read, and given the 2% margin of error in polls, President Trump's approval rating could be about 47% which is higher than was Obama's approval during much of his miserable term! Ah, yes, the "Spector of Trump"! What a great thought!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 8:17 a.m.

    "Afterward, Curtis told reporters it wasn't his place to "clean that up. Trump has distractions." ~ article

    Excuse Me?!

    As a United States Representative, and member of Congress -- that is PRECISELY you job.

    Congress IS the Check and Balance to the Executive branch.

    If you do not stand up against evil, and what is wrong --
    YOU become an accomplice to that evil and wrong.

    Espicially when it is your Consititional duty to do so.

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    Kathie Allen, as a doctor, is no longer needed in Congress because Trump has settled the Health Care crisis without Congress all by himself. And the other candidates do not know philosophy, which Plato indicated our government leaders need to be philosophers rather than politicians, for philosophers won't promote themselves to such a position, not being thus subjected to the vices of greed, pride, and corruption of authority. And if by chance the winner goes on to push for Constitutional values rather than the neo-Nationalist values that are being Tweeted across this country, for which the Congressman will be bribed by campaign contributions of special interest groups to sustain, they will be kicked out just like Chaffetz who had the audacity to suggest an audit of the Federal Reserve just before his announcement to leave office to be with his family, though he has left his family again to be a Harvard Professor. So frankly I don't see even a need to have an election for the 3rd Congressional District, with the Executive Branch running the government all by themselves.

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 7:34 a.m.

    Mr. Curtis and for that matter everyone else running for office should answer the question which torch do you support? Liberty or the Fascists? It's not as Mr. Trump said good people on many sides...

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 14, 2017 6:31 a.m.

    Don't believe Mitt Romney was much beyond the 5th grade when he gave some kid a "noogie" which was a big deal in his presidential race. Don't see any reason that a reference to a Fifth Grade report card wouldn't be relevant in this contest.


  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 14, 2017 6:09 a.m.

    Trump will always be the elephant in the room. The Republican party unravels more every day. Curtis will contort himself into a pretzel before it's all over.

  • JkeithC Richland, WA
    Oct. 14, 2017 5:14 a.m.

    The Democratic concern for compassion is admirable. But when was it wrong to expect people to be self-sufficienct? Honestly in our country we have just about compassioned to ourself to the poor house.
    That seems to be the division in our country. The Democrats want to be compassionate: the Republicans say that we can't afford to provide welfare benefits to all the illegal aliens and those who would like to receive them.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2017 11:21 p.m.

    No real conservative to vote for. Looking forward to next year. Won’t be voting in the House race for the first time in my life.