GOP health bill all but dead; McCain again deals the blow

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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 25, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    @worf....... I tried to post a list of lies by Trump, but the DN would not allow it for whatever reason despite the list being compiled from articles published by the DN.... so go figure. But really for you to claim that you can't find two times where Trump said something that was not correct...

    And honestly, I don't hold Trump responsible for things like his promise of a Mexican funded wall. It was something Trump put forward as policy, that in fact, Trump had little control over. Just like Obama saying you can keep your doctor. There was nothing in ACA that necessitated anyone losing their doctors - that was the insurance companies making their own decisions, or the doctors deciding to charge more than the insurance companies would reimburse. ACA had nothing to do with it. Trump no more can force Mexico nor Congress to pay for his wall.... I don't consider either to be "lies".

    But there are many other cases where what Trump has said is not matched by any measure of truth. And it surprises me you can't seem to recall one or two cases of that. Too bad DN will not let me use their own words to prove it.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2017 1:59 p.m.

    @ David, you mean like the Dems did when they passed Obamacare.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Sept. 23, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    @Rubydo
    "When on the campaign trail McCain stood for the repeal of Obama care but when had the chance he went against his promise to his constituency. He's no hero, just another hypocritical politician."

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    McCain has not said that he is opposed to the Graham/Cassidy bill. He has said that he opposes a process that doesn't include senate committees, public input, mark-ups, compromise, a CBO score and floor debate and amendments.

    With the fortunate failure of this poorly thought out and poorly articulated piece of legislation, let's see the bi-partisan effort of Senators Alexander and Murray be initiated so that both Republican and Democrat can work together to shape a healthcare plan that works for Americans. This is called "governing" -- a term that is apparently unfamiliar right now to Congressional leadership on both sides of the aisle.

  • jdh99999 Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    I have lost all respect fro this man. AHC is all but affordable. I went from descent insurance costing approx. $450 per month for a family of 4 prior to Obama and his NON affordable health care to now $900 for terrible coverage with stupidly high deductibles for a family of 3, and its on target to be high than my mortgage next year. The system is broken, and Obama did nothing to fix it for the middle class. It should have never been passed in the first place, and now those who said they would repeal are typical spineless politicians that are only worried about re-election.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 23, 2017 10:43 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil,

    * McCain should put aside his dislike of Trump and do what's best for the country.

    * Insults? It's a point of view. I've felt more insulted from politicians who have lied, robbed our citizens of their hard earned money, and pitted Americans against other Americans. Much worse than anything Trump has done. Trump is likely the most generous president this country has had.

    * Can you state a couple of Trumps lies?

    * From an LDS stand point. I want a president who resembles the boldness of Moroni. I'm sure he offended many. Trump is no more evil than either Alma or his son before their callings.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    When on the campaign trail McCain stood for the repeal of Obama care but when had the chance he went against his promise to his constituency. He's no hero, just another hypocritical politician.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 23, 2017 7:53 a.m.

    @stevo123 - Sept. 22, 2017 2:33 p.m.
    And so where do Hatch And Lee stand on Graham/Cassady
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    They stand however their far right extremist masters tell them to stand. And to heck with the well-being of the United States and its people.
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    @HaHaHaHa - Sept. 22, 2017 1:44 p.m.
    "Jimmy Kimmel eviscerated them"

    Only in the minds of the deep thinking shopping mall rats and the late night crowd who are mostly made up of the adult snowflake generation, that still live with mommy and daddy (or wish they did) and think they are owed lots of comfort and support by all of society.
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    So tell me. I'm 69 years old. I'm deeply religious, have been married 48 years to the same man, and have raised children to honest, honorable and productive adulthood. I paid the tuition for, and earned, a BA and a law degree (JD) and did not take public assistance(including tuition assistance).We don't live with them, and they don't live with us. We support universal health care, and assistance for those who need it. We support civil rights preventing discrimination for all.

    Please tell me how you think we fit into your demographics described above.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2017 7:18 a.m.

    Critics of McCain must ask themselves honestly and sincerely--If the tables were reversed and Democrats were trying to ram through legislation at the last minute without CBO scoring, what would you say?

    McCain is simply challenging Congress to write good bills, and to learn as much as possible about the potential ramifications of the bill before he can vote for it. Wouldn't you want that from any Senator? So why the criticism and piling-on now?

    I would love to see Obamacare pushed aside for a healthcare law that was better for ALL Americans.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 23, 2017 7:09 a.m.

    Worf.... I whole heartedly agree with the first half of your comments. But then you head off on "Trump is the only one who is different, and is a threat to the corruption. That's why the liberal politicians, and their media friends are so bitter."

    I am sure that may be true for some, but most of the people I know that have issues with Trump are that he is a chronic liar, and he feels insults are a way to get people to work with him. Trump insulted McCain during the election cycle - and now Trump is reaping the reward of his words. Trump insults our enemies and partners alike. Negotiation by insult might be how the realestate business is run in New York - or even maybe your corner of Texas, but in most of the rest of the world you don't gain allies by insulting them.

    Trump is the champion of the bitter. And these people may be justifiably bitter, but Trump's methods aren't how you lead a nation to better health care laws. It's time we had a bipartisan solutions that the majority of the nation can get behind.... not just some partisan white washing of the previous administration.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Sept. 23, 2017 6:12 a.m.

    @ silo

    "You may not like what [McCain] said, but you cannot legitimately argue with his reasoning, especially if you're one of those people who claimed that Obamacare was 'rammed down our throats' or whined that there were zero Republican votes on the PPACA."

    Well said, silo. McCain is in a way saying, "I am against doing to them what we accuse them of doing to us." That to me is placing country over tribe, more of which is desperately needed at this time.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2017 11:56 p.m.

    The only way a government can create a twenty trillion dollar debt is to have uncontested mismanagement, and spending.

    Both Democrats, and Republicans are responsible. They're both the same!

    Trump is the only one who is different, and is a threat to the corruption.

    That's why the liberal politicians, and their media friends are so bitter.

  • Liberal Survival on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 11:13 p.m.

    HaHa-

    "Only in the minds of the deep thinking shopping mall rats and the late night crowd who are mostly made up of the adult snowflake generation, that still live with mommy and daddy (or wish they did) and think they are owed lots of comfort and support by all of society".

    Deep yawn...Highly intellectual. "Mall rats", "Snowflakes" and "Mommy and Daddy's basement". Let us place a wager which one of pays much more income taxes yearly, since you mentioned this topic for some unknown reason? No "Mall rat" here comrade. I'll be more than happy to supply the information needed on my end first. Furthermore. Which one? "Snowflakes" or "violent, militant, Antifa, anarchist thugs"? Thank you and keep digging!

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 10:32 p.m.

    byufootballrocks wrote: "There are always some Republicans who cut their teeth on not going along with the majority and grandstanding their way along. They get nothing done, but boy do they love the cameras!"

    In all seriousness, if Bill Cassidy had not appeared on a late-night comedy TV show in front of TV cameras, don't you think his legislation would be more alive than it is?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 8:40 p.m.

    GOP now can not be considered as one party. It is an unworkable mess when confronted with reality of governing.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Sept. 22, 2017 6:27 p.m.

    In your face GOP! Now get off your behinds and build a bridge to compromise!

    You better get off your high horse Republicans before the midterm elections. America is looking for compromise and working together. We are sick of your ugly division.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 6:10 p.m.

    America could fix this garbage by repealing the 17th amendment.

    "The process would begin by the amendment being proposed by either 2/3 of both Houses of Congress or by a constitutional convention called by 2/3 of the State legislatures. It would then need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states."

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 6:06 p.m.

    @Vermonter
    "Senators McCain, Paul, and Collins are all for Obamacare. And Senator Murkowski of Alaska is at best, sitting on the fence, having voted against repeal a month ago."

    They're for repealing and replacing Obamacare with something better. They just haven't found a bill they think is better.

    @Rocket Science
    "So a question to airnaut, Utah Girl, Impartial7, and others who like Senator McCain and his colleagues want to keep ACA intact and unchanged:"

    Who says anything about keeping the ACA unchanged? A third of the Dems in Congress and half the Dem public want single payer (using one of the more pessimistic polls... there's a lot of spread depending on wording with "universal healthcare" polling much higher) and most of the rest want to make adjustments like having the subsidies reach down to cover those left in a hole without subsidies or a Medicaid expansion (since the law was written on the assumption all states would expand it since it basically forced it until the court struck down the forcing mechanism). The Dems have wanted to make tweaks for years but the GOP doesn't want to hold votes on a smaller fix.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 6:02 p.m.

    Patriot,

    You need to ask Sen. Lee where his bill is. He is great at opposing bills and being undecided. I want to see what he is actually for and the rest of Utah to see what he is for, regular Utahns and independent contractors or more for big tax cuts for the wealthy and letting the independent market eat cake but die of unaffordable premiums?

    McCain is a man that you may disagree with, but at least he is his own man and steadfast in his principles. He will put people over party which is refreshing and far too uncommon in DC.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 5:33 p.m.

    The irony about everyone criticizing McCain's position is that McCain is the only legislator making a principled stand and backing it up with specifics.

    He never said he didn't like the GOP proposal. He never said he did like it.

    He specifically said that he could not in good conscience vote for it because it's missing the supporting process and data that is typically required for this scope of legislation. CBO score, passage through the various committees, debate, justification, bipartisanship, compromise, etc.

    You may not like what he said, but you cannot legitimately argue with his reasoning, especially if you're one of those people who claimed that Obamacare was 'rammed down our throats' or whined that there were zero Republican votes on the PPACA.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Sept. 22, 2017 5:23 p.m.

    Thank you Sen McCain for stopping this latest GOP attempt to repeal and replace the ACA it's a quick short sad excuse. I agree with Sen McCain that a bipartisan approach is needed. Work on that Senators and Representatives, now that you've lost your battles to go it alone at all costs, now that you've complained about the woes of the ACA and that it's going to implode, now work on bipartisan ideas that will make some improvements.

    Keep the individual mandate, that makes insurance more affordable for all, and makes honest men out the young men who think they'll be healthy forever and who think they'll never be responsible for a pregnancy!

    Keep the lid on compensation for health insurance management, woops the GOP already took off that lid, which will be a problem for keeping costs down, GOP gotta turn that one around.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 4:58 p.m.

    What I keep wondering is where is McCains bill? Yes where is the bill from this 40 year senator? Nowhere. The man never put any thought into a bill but he sure promised the people of Arizona he would repeal Obamacare at first opportunity but we now know that was a big lie. McCain is not a truthful man -- a very dishonest and self serving man. At least Rand Paul has a bill of his own. Not McCain. All McCain does is vote no. He will vote no on tax reform too. There is ZERO difference between McCain and Harry Reid and you and check their voting record to prove it. Shame on Arizona for voting this man in. Now millions of Americans are left to suffer with 120% increases in their health care premiums (as in Arizona) all due to Obamacare. Watch McCain now vote for the Bernie Sanders Socialist single payer plan. I am betting he does. Watch and see. The man is a fraud.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 22, 2017 4:19 p.m.

    I see only one reason why Republicans have been so obsessed with repealing the ACA. They want to be able to shout, “We did it! We said we would, we promised we would, and we kept our promise.”

    Not much of a payoff. But for those who have hated Obama with an insane passion for nine years, it would be the political trophy of a lifetime.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    I wonder how he will vote on the $ trillion Obamacare and tax payer bailout next year and the year after, and on and on. So much money, do little gained!

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:53 p.m.

    Good!
    trump can't just bully and elbow his way through the presidency like he does through the real estate world.

  • LeeSheppard UK, 00
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:39 p.m.

    I am grateful that John McCain stood up against partisan politics, imploring congress to function as they should, with due deliberation and trying to do what is right for the American people.
    I am delighted to see that the majority of correspondents here agree with that sentiment.

    With all the thoughtful and creative solutions that have been presented to improve the healthcare system, I am sad to see the Republican leaders seemingly ignoring them all. Instead they are intent in one goal only - being seen to do something. Oh for the day when they will actually show leadership.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:38 p.m.

    I wonder how much longer John McCain will be able to come to the Senate and offer any kind of reasonable, supportive substance on anything. It seems his days are numbered indeed.

    Thanks for your service in the military. It's time to go home now!

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    @ David,

    Yours are very high premiums indeed. But allow me to ask you a question. What insurance did you have before Obamacare and what were your premiums?

    Shamefully, the Republican Congress has either forgotten how to govern or simply doesn't care to. If they weren't so selfish about pulling out all stops to erase anything with Obama's name on it, they would have instead sat down with the Democrats and on a bipartisan basis made changes to the ACA. Instead they keep trying to unilaterally slam poorly-crafted and ill-understood pieces of legislation without hearings, without knowing the impact of the bill and without stakeholder input. What a farce!

  • Lone Eagle Aurora, CO
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:28 p.m.

    Just out of curiosity, how many people have tried to pay for services without using insurance? The experience is a real eye-opener for me. I asked a doctor why are the prices charged insurance companies so high when compared to self-pay. The response was also eye opening for me. Insurance companies sit in the cat-bird seat and really are despotic in their treatment of doctors.

    IMO, If the patient were more involved with actually paying for the services then submitting a reimbursement from the insurance company, the price would come down.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    I am absolutely fascinated by the posters who now loathe McCain, his maverickiness and his devotion to Senate process.

    I don't much care for the man, but I have come to respect his devotion to principle. That principle being a bipartisan health care plan that meets the goals of both parties. What is wrong with healthcare for all without exception and prior conditions, affordability for those who can't afford healthcare, asking the healthy to pay into the healthcare system that they eventually will use and asking the already well off to pay a little more to pay for the whole thing.

    I guess the members of the GOP are more interested in revenge against all things Obama than doing good for the American people. Just who is the traitor to American principles? Is revenge one of the cornerstones of the US Constitution?

  • Lone Eagle Aurora, CO
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:23 p.m.

    So many people on this board are saying that there should be bipartisan support for anything to do with ACA. Where was the bipartisan support with ACA passed? Where were the calls for there to be bipartisan support? ACA is designed to destroy the insurance market and institute a single payer system (and put tremendous strain on our already-over-$20T debt load). If single payer comes about, this country will lose a lot of freedom.

  • Lone Eagle Aurora, CO
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:21 p.m.

    "I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal..." John McCain.

    How can anyone in good conscience have voted for this pretend republican? Of course he will vote his true colors now. He is not up for re-election and has no political risk in voting his true colors, and that is apparently democrat.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:11 p.m.

    John McCain says NO for the same reason he did last round....

    The Senate is NOT following 230 years of Senate rules and protols.
    i.e.,
    holding hearings,
    amending,
    tweeking,
    getting BI-partisan support,
    holding more hearings,
    asking the American people,
    honing and still more tweeking,
    more hearings,
    and THEN, the vote!

    McCain said something that effects 350 million Americans,
    and is 1/5th of our GDP absolutely must have Bi-partisan support!

    The Senate once again did everything is secret,
    ram-rodded this bill in secret and is forcing a straight up and down vote
    without knowing what was even in it!

    Good for Senator McCain for sticking to principles,
    and not caving to these 'secret combinations'.

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    stevo123 - Driggs, ID
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:33 p.m.

    And so where do Hatch And Lee stand on Graham/Cassidy
    ---
    Hatch Lee - For
    Mike Lee - undeclared/undecided

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2017 3:04 p.m.

    Big shame when American citizens are on their knees and dependent for government help.

    The same government which robs their citizens, caused our enormous debt, over funded education system, shrunk the social security funds, and caused a high welfare state.

    Crazy how folks want politicians controlling our healthcare. Why?

    What have they done to deserve public trust?

  • GeePost slc, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:56 p.m.

    Something is, or probably multiple things are, seriously wrong with McCain.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    Shame on John McCain for this latest "maverick moment."

    While McCain's purported reasons for his decision have merit, the mere fact that the Senate is hopelessly dysfunctional negates every one of his objections.

    McCain campaigned on repealing Obamacare, but when given the opportunity to repeal, or even chip away at it a bit, he has refused to do so.

    Perhaps, or even quite likely, McCain is still in a snit over Trump's unfair comment about "preferring heroes who don't get captured." But, putting that bit of personal pique ahead of fixing the national disaster of Obamacare is inexcusable.

    The only solution is for the House to defund Obamacare, before it destroys the greatest health care delivery system in history. (Not the Byzantine Government-Insurance complex which want to control insurance options instead of the free market.)

    Too many RINOs to get anything done in the Senate. Drain the swamp!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:45 p.m.

    I love mavericks like McCain. Everything he has said about health care reform makes sense. Make it a bi-partisan effort and don't rush through it just to please some big-money donor. I love a politician who hasn't sold his soul to his party.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:36 p.m.

    Congress is deliberately trying to avoid addressing one of the most pressing REAL problems with American health care. The obscene pay given to executives in the health care industry is one of the primary causes of the mess we are in. Yet Congress has enabled this to happen. Why?

    Could it be because the health care conglomerate is so generous with campaign contributions.

    Here are ANNUAL and DAILY pay packages enjoyed by just a few health execs:

    1Leonard S. Schleifer, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, $47,462,526. {$130,034 PER DAY}

    2Jeffrey M. Leiden, Vertex Pharmaceuticals, $28,099,826 {$76,986 PER DAY}

    3Larry J. Merlo, CVS Health, $22,855,374 {$62,618 PER DAY}

    Closer to home, the CEO of HCA (parent company of Mountainstar) Milton Johnson, earned $21.3 million last year, nearly 20% more than what he received in compensation for 2015, according to HCA's new proxy statement.Mar 8, 2017

    Johnson was paid $58,438 PER DAY!

    Until we voters demand that Congress eliminate such obscene profiteering, our health care will continue to be unaffordable.

    Make America Sane Again

  • humbug Syracuse/Davis, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:34 p.m.

    Thank you, Senator McCain. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:33 p.m.

    And so where do Hatch And Lee stand on Graham/Cassady

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:28 p.m.

    Clearly Obamacare has no shortage of problems and the American people deserve better, but this latest version of legislation is fundamentally flawed as well.

    Why Congress can't get their act together and work across party lines for the benefit of our country is beyond me.

    Loyalty to party before conscience is beyond words.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:22 p.m.

    Good for John McCain. Thank you, Sir, for having the courage to stand up for what is best for Americans despite the foolish cupidity of your GOP colleagues.

    Make America Sane Again

  • David Centerville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:21 p.m.

    I greatly dislike Obamacare. My premiums went from $1100/month in 2014 to $2600/month with a high deductable plan in 2017 for my family. Obamacare has directly hurt my family financially. I would love to see Obamacare repealed and replaced by a plan that helps all Americans, not just those that would vote Democrat.

    Having said that, I agree with McCain on this bill. How can he, and any Senator, vote for a bill when you don't know the impact it will have? The CBO hasn't scored the bill yet!

    Republicans have been desperate to get something to pass and they are running out of time. So now they throw out something at the last minute, realizing that Americans won't know the financial implications of the bill until it is too late. Did Republicans WANT this bill to fail? Is it their strategy to campaign again on repealing Obamcare..."Just send me again to Washington so we can get rid of Obamacare" they will say.

    Republicans are a joke. Trump is a joke. I will vote for Independent candidates until the GOP can give us someone worth voting for, and a governing plan worth voting for.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    If the Republicans had spent the same amount of time working to fix the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) as they did trying to repeal it American would be the better for a "yuge" and beautiful health care package. Everybody would be a winner. Mc Cain's vote is not a vote against the Republican health care package, as onerous as the package is, it is a vote against a president that doesn't like American war heroes that were taken prisoner. Touche heh Mr. President

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    The Senate elections next fall greatly favor Republicans - many Democrats are running in states Trump carried. Republicans have potential to pick up 4 to 7 seats.

    If that happens, then the few Republicans who have been obstructionist and have stopped repeal - their votes won't matter.

    Then we will have Obamacare repeal as the Republicans have promised for seven years.

    There are always some Republicans who cut their teeth on not going along with the majority and grandstanding their way along. They get nothing done, but boy do they love the cameras!

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    @ HaHaHa

    "Only in the minds of the deep thinking shopping mall rats and the late night crowd who are mostly made up of the adult snowflake generation, that still live with mommy and daddy (or wish they did) and think they are owed lots of comfort and support by all of society."

    Actually, these are sixteen health care organizations that came out against Graham-Cassidy. These are groups that work on the front lines to advocate best practices to meet people's health care needs. After you're done reading the list, call them all the juvenile name you want.

    ALS Association
    American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network
    American Diabetes Association
    American Heart Association
    American Lung Association
    Arthritis Foundation
    Cystic Fibrosis Foundation
    Family Voices
    JDRF
    Lutheran Services in America
    March of Dimes
    National Health Council
    National Multiple Sclerosis Society
    National Organization for Rare Diseases
    Volunteers of America
    WomenHeart

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Sept. 22, 2017 1:51 p.m.

    @Utah Girl Chronicles.
    I don't know what you mean by "Republicans are in control now..."

    Every Democrat voted with McCain, Paul, Collins and Murkowski. They are the ones controlling health care legislation. We get Obamacare unchanged and not modified because of them (at least until it implodes).

    All Democratic senators and Senator Collins promised to keep Obamacare intact and voted that way. 49 Republican senators promised to repeal Obamacare and voted that way. McCain, Paul, and Murkowski all broke their promise to the voters. This is about basic integrity and those senators who have none on this issue.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Sept. 22, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    "Jimmy Kimmel eviscerated them"

    Only in the minds of the deep thinking shopping mall rats and the late night crowd who are mostly made up of the adult snowflake generation, that still live with mommy and daddy (or wish they did) and think they are owed lots of comfort and support by all of society.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 1:40 p.m.

    So a question to airnaut, Utah Girl, Impartial7, and others who like Senator McCain and his colleagues want to keep ACA intact and unchanged:

    What is to be done about the impending implosion that was set in time to occur in the ACA?

    The rich will have their care the poor have had care expanded. The middle class has been squeezed tremendously already. Middle class haven't seen the worst yet while already getting priced out of the market and having co-pays and the deductibles become so burdensome that we put off, delay and opt to skip altogether necessary medical care.

    The Republican effort was not optimum but something has to be done - what will it be?

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    Utah Girl Chronicles wrote 1:08 PM: "Republicans are in control now and all they care about is Robert E. Lee statues and keeping their big donors happy."

    You need to add "wedding cakes" to that otherwise good sentence.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 1:08 p.m.

    @ HaHaHa

    Seven years of empty GOP promises. Republicans are in control now and all they care about is Robert E. Lee statues and keeping their big donors happy. Jimmy Kimmel eviscerated them and exposed their lies. He's done some good work.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    It's a wonderful thing. McCain, with whom I've not often agreed politically, has always conducted himself with the dignity that his office and the American people deserve.
    Once again, he has shown he will act in favour of the American people instead of the party. Health care is for people, not donors or politics.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:58 p.m.

    "Funny how a late-night comedian can speak the truth about Graham-Cassidy in terms most Americans can understand and within 72 hours Republicans meekly pick up their ball and go home."

    Interesting what you refer to as "speak the truth". Your standards for that idea are exceptionally low. But at least we still have good old barry care which is a crap idea, that provides almost nothing that what was promised.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    @Vermonter;
    "Let's call this like it is. Senators McCain, Paul, and Collins are all for Obamacare. And Senator Murkowski of Alaska is at best, sitting on the fence, having voted against repeal a month ago"

    They don't have to be "for" Obamacare. They're just against the sorry excuses for replacements that the GOP have come up with. Remember Hatch saying he had a better plan years ago? Remember Trump saying he had a better, cheaper replacement "day one"? Turns out they lied. They have nothing but plans sure to kill more Americans. And you're proud of that? I'm proud of the few Republicans that are saying No to harming Americans.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    McCain's plan?? Die and leave it for the next generation. Thank McCain!!

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:52 p.m.

    @ Vermonter

    "Dissent of the nature displayed by McCain, Paul and Murkowski is punished severely in the Democratic Party."

    Yes, and I'm sure there are thousands of admiring, supportive comments on Brietbart regarding McCain, Paul, and Murkowski today. No one is suggesting they be primaried because these are all great patriots.

  • iammad ROOSEVELT, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:48 p.m.

    Well, its official.
    The Republican Party never had the so-called "majority" in the Senate.
    The senators from Arizona, Maine, and Alaska have shown their true Democrat colors. The senator from Kentucky is too extreme and not willing to compromise.
    They will go down in history as the Republicans? that saved the ACA, then watched it implode.
    We are all in a lot of trouble.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    Let's call this like it is. Senators McCain, Paul, and Collins are all for Obamacare. And Senator Murkowski of Alaska is at best, sitting on the fence, having voted against repeal a month ago.

    Collins can at least say she promised voters to vote against repeal. McCain, Paul and Murkowski can make no such claim. They promised the voters one thing, and have done the opposite. Voters in Arizona, Kentucky and Alaska should take note, and elect them again if they like such behavior from their representatives.

    Also, this would not happen if there was a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress. The Democratic Party has much better party loyalty and party discipline. Dissent of the nature displayed by McCain, Paul and Murkowski is punished severely in the Democratic Party.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:40 p.m.

    Good!

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    Funny how a late-night comedian can speak the truth about Graham-Cassidy in terms most Americans can understand and within 72 hours Republicans meekly pick up their ball and go home.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 22, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    What happens to a Republican when they are diagnosed with a life threatening illness. Empathy and remorse. It happened to Lee Atwater and now John McCain.
    Wake up D.C. and work on a bipartisan solution. The rest of the civilized world has and so can we.