Trump rolling back limits on military gear for police

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  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    Oh come now, what police department can do without grenade launchers?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 28, 2017 4:12 p.m.

    Police in many countries carry far fewer weapons than police in the United States yet those countries still have less crime.
    More guns isn't the answer.

  • barfolomew TOOELE, UT
    Aug. 28, 2017 4:13 p.m.

    @ LOU Montana

    "(Why is everyone freaking out?)"

    Not everyone is.

    Just the left.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 28, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    Obama's law allowed less intense gear and would still be available, but will require a little bit of effort to get, according to the report. Local police departments will have to gain permission from a local governing body, complete department-wide training requirements, and "provide a persuasive explanation" before they can get access to:

    Manned Aircraft, Fixed Wing
    Manned Aircraft, Rotary Wing
    Unmanned Aerial Vehicles
    Armored Vehicles, Wheeled
    Tactical Vehicles, Wheeled
    Command and Control Vehicles
    Specialized Firearms and Ammunition Under .50‐Caliber (excludes firearms and ammunition for service‐issued weapons)
    Explosives and Pyrotechnics
    Riot Batons
    Riot Helmets

    (Why is everyone freaking out?)

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 28, 2017 2:21 p.m.

    Listed in a report of Recommendations Pursuant to Executive Order 13688, federal agencies will no longer give local police the following:

    1. Tracked Armored Vehicles: Vehicles that provide ballistic protection to their occupants and utilize a tracked system instead of wheels for forward motion.

    2. Weaponized Aircraft, Vessels, and Vehicles of Any Kind: These items will be prohibited from purchase or transfer with weapons installed.

    3. Firearms of .50‐Caliber or Higher

    4. Ammunition of .50‐Caliber or Higher

    5. Grenade Launchers: Firearm or firearm accessory designed to launch small explosive projectiles.

    6. Bayonets: Large knives designed to be attached to the muzzle of a rifle/shotgun/long gun for the purposes of hand‐to‐hand combat.

    7. Camouflage Uniforms: Does not include woodland or desert patterns or solid color uniforms.

    Keep in mind it was conservative who feared Obama would use military gear the police to enforce martial law.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Aug. 28, 2017 2:14 p.m.

    Para-military is the correct term for this.
    and the Nazi SS [Schutzstaffel - Protection Squadron] was nothing more than a militarized Police force.

    Do not weaponized 'peace keepers' or 'law enforcement' like this.
    If you 'need' the military, call up the military.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 28, 2017 1:32 p.m.

    A lot of local police departments have enough armored tanks and military-grade weapons to invade small countries.

    The dangerous thing about an authoritarian autocrat like Trump is he may use all those armaments on people who disagree with him. If anything like Kent State 1970 went down again, you know Trump would be giving those national guardsmen medals.

  • barfolomew TOOELE, UT
    Aug. 28, 2017 11:57 a.m.

    @ Impartial7

    You say:

    "But, we all know that there are a lot of unreasonable cops out there just waiting for an excuse to use more force than necessary."

    Then I say:

    But, we all know that there are a lot of unreasonable citizens out there just waiting for an excuse to use more force than necessary.

    So, what's your solution to that side of the problem?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 28, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Ok. Then they also need to ramp up laws to aggressively arrest cops that use excessive force. The problem with giving non-military police, military weapons like tanks and grenade launchers, is that they'll find an excuse to use them against citizens. Reasonable cops use reasonable force depending on their situation. But, we all know that there are a lot of unreasonable cops out there just waiting for an excuse to use more force than necessary.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 28, 2017 10:05 a.m.

    Police need to have adequate protection for the job they're asked to do. Unfortunately, trump sees their role as state vigilantes, and he doesn't mind lawless, violent behaviour on the part of the police. He sees police as an occupying force, fighting the enemies of the state. Policing, as such, is now more or less an extension of the military.
    So, round and round it goes, spinning in an ever tightening circle.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 28, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    I wish they could find some middle ground between militarizing our police force and not giving them the proper protection. sadly we have seen police severally out gunned at times but at the same time we create a certain mind set within the police force and the public when we over militarize our police. there has to be some reasonable middle ground between this policy and Obama's ban.