I’m not a Utah fan but this penalty seems harsh. I see schools like North
Carolina running completely bogus academic programs and getting a slap on the
“At a blistering 7-22 record I guess beating BYU for the first time in 20
years would be their only major accomplishment tis year”Ute
busted:At least Utah had a baseball accomplishment this year. BYU-P? Bupkus.
Proud to me a member of the Conference of Cheaters !
My fellow BYU fans don't realize, or don't wan to remember, that we
have been on probation for over four decades.Nobody want's us in a
real conference. :(
At a blistering 7-22 record I guess beating BYU for the first time in 20 years
would be their only major accomplishment tis year, except maybe for making the
sports headlines ........... again. They seems to be real good at that. First
their AD, then Crisco, now this. Anyone see a pattern?
This Bud’s for you .......
The baseball program is a train wreck anyway. I was at the WSu game last night
in Pullman. What a hot mess the utes are.
Not unexpected. Whatever it takes to win mentality. It starts at the top and
Two thoughts:1. Throw the book at them. Cheating is cheating, no matter
what school does it.2. Who cares? It's baseball!
This so great! The coach had someone throw some bp at practice and instruct the
catchers. Is any wonder Big Brother took 3 of 4 from little brother?
As Jim Rome would say - "If you're not cheating - you're not
@3grandslams:"Now it makes sense why the U was able to take the
series from BYU for the first time in 20 years! They were cheating."Ha ha! Yet another byu excuse for losing to Utah. I'll have to add
that to the long list of excuses - refs, weather, injuries, suspensions,
marriages, missions, HC, etc, etc, etc. Lol.FYI - Utah had a
HORRIBLE team this year. They were not winning games "because they were
cheating", they were losing games because they were young and awful. Utah
beat byu because byu was just that much worse. Not committing the (minor)
violations would not have changed that fact.Keep on trying, though.
We do appreciate your dedication to all things Utah.Go Utes!
Picardy "My point, in any case, is that a culture of trust and integrity is
damaged by such conduct. I assume that is not an easily disputed issue."It's easily disputed. The picture you painted is fantasy and did not
happen. This is a coach not doing is job and delegating duties to
someone he shouldn't have. The solution is simple. Make the coach do the
job he is paid for, or find a new coach that is willing to perform the duties.
@Jello is Good:"Rules is rules."Can't argue
with that. If you know the rules - don't break them! Not a hard
concept.Get it cleaned up and move forward.Go Utes!
Nothing here folks.....move along.
Don't forget cheating, Mr. ekute.
Snack PAC,We own you pretty good in women's gymnastics, too. Head to
head...byu has little to brag about.
SoonerUte, the article stated: "The report said that Kinneberg
knew the director of operations could not participate in on-field coaching and
specifically told his staff to make sure such activity didn’t take place
if any administrators stopped by practice." And what are the
chances that student athletes, especially those in the program for long, did not
know that they were catching grounders from an unauthorized person. My guess is
that they too would have been on the alert for administrators who "stopped
by practice." It appears to have been widely known, with instructions
broadly intended to avoid detection.My point, in any case, is that
a culture of trust and integrity is damaged by such conduct. I assume that is
not an easily disputed issue.
@SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UTMay 25, 2018 11:32 a.m."Picardy calls it "the premeditated, large-scale collaboration to
engage everyone (including players) in an ongoing cover-up."Did
you read an entirely different article Picardy? The coach and director of
operations is two people, not a large-scale collaboration. The players were not
involved."Read the article in the other SLC paper. It has a few
more details. Although I agree it is a minor rules infraction, he knew it and
asked the rest of his staff to cover it up.I think the bigger issue
was asking his student aid to go buy him beer on a road trip. The issue
isn't that he drinks beer, it is that he asked a student to go buy it for
SoonerUteWhat part of Utah’s head coach intentionally
conspiring to break NCAA rules do you not understand?Do really think
that Utah’s players were completely clueless of what was going on?
ekute: “We dominated BYU in baseball, football and the Deseret
duel.”We dominated Utah in softball, basketball and in the
Directors Cup (which compares ALL men’s and women’s sports, not just
a hand-picked few).
Pretty sure this wasn't innocent as U fans want to preach. Clearly, at this
level the coaches know what they are doing. Now it makes sense why the U was
able to take the series from BYU for the first time in 20 years! They were
Article "a ruling that head coach Bill Kinneberg... instructed his
then-director of baseball operations (Connor Lambert) to impermissibly perform
coaching duties" essentially giving the Utes "the benefit of an extra
coach".Picardy calls it "the premeditated, large-scale
collaboration to engage everyone (including players) in an ongoing
cover-up."Did you read an entirely different article Picardy?
The coach and director of operations is two people, not a large-scale
collaboration. The players were not involved.
@ Cutie-UtieWhat on earth does a minor rules infraction by the Utah
baseball team have to do with either BYU or football?
@Lester L. Wester - Henderson, NVMay 25, 2018 10:24 a.m."The "holier than thou" are out in full force this morning. Maybe
should practice a little "judge not lest ye be judged", but that
won't happen."Seemed like an innocent mistake, but it is a
rule and there is a consequence. That's not holier than thou, just a fact.
The only comment you could be referring to is the one about buying beer for the
coaches. I know nothing about this. But if coaches did send their college team
out to buy them beer, would you say that is wrong?
I am more troubled by the culture created by these coaches than by the
particular violation. I don't justify the offense but the premeditated,
large-scale collaboration to engage everyone (including players) in an ongoing
cover-up seems worse (not to mention the apparent "party culture."
Teaching character and integrity goes along way toward infusing the trust in
players that will have them easily embrace your other instructions. Too bad!
We dominated byu in baseball, football and the Deseret duel.
The "holier than thou" are out in full force this morning. Maybe should
practice a little "judge not lest ye be judged", but that won't
Getting caught cheating is bad enough, but sending out students to buy beer for
the coaches was just as troubling.
Rules is rules.
Doing the wrong thing for the (seemingly) right reasons is still wrong. We make
changes, pay the price, and move on.
This seems pretty straightforward. Coach was in the wrong and the program has to
pay for it. I think a lesson can be learned. I have to say---I'm relieved
to see that nobody connected to the Ute Athletic program is screaming that they
are being picked on or singled out. In Utah--we hear that from some places,
sometimes--don't we? We were wrong. We admit it. Let's do things the
right way. Utah has plenty of coaches who know how to do just that.
Caught cheating again.Embarrassing.