Utah baseball program placed on NCAA probation

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  • Husker2 Apache Junction, AZ
    May 28, 2018 10:33 a.m.

    I’m not a Utah fan but this penalty seems harsh. I see schools like North Carolina running completely bogus academic programs and getting a slap on the wrist.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 27, 2018 4:52 p.m.

    “At a blistering 7-22 record I guess beating BYU for the first time in 20 years would be their only major accomplishment tis year”

    Ute busted:

    At least Utah had a baseball accomplishment this year.

    BYU-P? Bupkus.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    May 26, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    Proud to me a member of the Conference of Cheaters !

  • No Conference Will Take Us Seattle, WA
    May 26, 2018 11:28 a.m.

    My fellow BYU fans don't realize, or don't wan to remember, that we have been on probation for over four decades.
    Nobody want's us in a real conference. :(

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2018 9:25 a.m.

    At a blistering 7-22 record I guess beating BYU for the first time in 20 years would be their only major accomplishment tis year, except maybe for making the sports headlines ........... again. They seems to be real good at that. First their AD, then Crisco, now this. Anyone see a pattern?

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    May 26, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    This Bud’s for you .......

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2018 12:22 a.m.

    The baseball program is a train wreck anyway. I was at the WSu game last night in Pullman. What a hot mess the utes are.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2018 12:19 a.m.

    Not unexpected. Whatever it takes to win mentality. It starts at the top and funnels down

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 25, 2018 5:28 p.m.

    Two thoughts:
    1. Throw the book at them. Cheating is cheating, no matter what school does it.
    2. Who cares? It's baseball!

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 25, 2018 3:52 p.m.

    This so great! The coach had someone throw some bp at practice and instruct the catchers. Is any wonder Big Brother took 3 of 4 from little brother? ⚾😂

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 25, 2018 2:23 p.m.

    As Jim Rome would say - "If you're not cheating - you're not trying."

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 25, 2018 2:20 p.m.

    @3grandslams:

    "Now it makes sense why the U was able to take the series from BYU for the first time in 20 years! They were cheating."

    Ha ha! Yet another byu excuse for losing to Utah. I'll have to add that to the long list of excuses - refs, weather, injuries, suspensions, marriages, missions, HC, etc, etc, etc. Lol.

    FYI - Utah had a HORRIBLE team this year. They were not winning games "because they were cheating", they were losing games because they were young and awful. Utah beat byu because byu was just that much worse. Not committing the (minor) violations would not have changed that fact.

    Keep on trying, though. We do appreciate your dedication to all things Utah.

    Go Utes!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 25, 2018 2:19 p.m.

    Picardy "My point, in any case, is that a culture of trust and integrity is damaged by such conduct. I assume that is not an easily disputed issue."
    It's easily disputed. The picture you painted is fantasy and did not happen.

    This is a coach not doing is job and delegating duties to someone he shouldn't have. The solution is simple. Make the coach do the job he is paid for, or find a new coach that is willing to perform the duties.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 25, 2018 1:40 p.m.

    @Jello is Good:

    "Rules is rules."

    Can't argue with that. If you know the rules - don't break them! Not a hard concept.

    Get it cleaned up and move forward.

    Go Utes!

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    May 25, 2018 1:30 p.m.

    Nothing here folks.....move along.

  • Robroy Salt Lake City, UT
    May 25, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    Don't forget cheating, Mr. ekute.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 25, 2018 1:14 p.m.

    Snack PAC,
    We own you pretty good in women's gymnastics, too. Head to head...byu has little to brag about.

  • Picardy Provo, UT
    May 25, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    SoonerUte, the article stated:

    "The report said that Kinneberg knew the director of operations could not participate in on-field coaching and specifically told his staff to make sure such activity didn’t take place if any administrators stopped by practice."

    And what are the chances that student athletes, especially those in the program for long, did not know that they were catching grounders from an unauthorized person. My guess is that they too would have been on the alert for administrators who "stopped by practice." It appears to have been widely known, with instructions broadly intended to avoid detection.

    My point, in any case, is that a culture of trust and integrity is damaged by such conduct. I assume that is not an easily disputed issue.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 25, 2018 12:36 p.m.

    @SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 25, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    "Picardy calls it "the premeditated, large-scale collaboration to engage everyone (including players) in an ongoing cover-up."

    Did you read an entirely different article Picardy? The coach and director of operations is two people, not a large-scale collaboration. The players were not involved."

    Read the article in the other SLC paper. It has a few more details. Although I agree it is a minor rules infraction, he knew it and asked the rest of his staff to cover it up.

    I think the bigger issue was asking his student aid to go buy him beer on a road trip. The issue isn't that he drinks beer, it is that he asked a student to go buy it for him.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 25, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    What part of Utah’s head coach intentionally conspiring to break NCAA rules do you not understand?

    Do really think that Utah’s players were completely clueless of what was going on?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 25, 2018 12:24 p.m.

    ekute: “We dominated BYU in baseball, football and the Deseret duel.”

    We dominated Utah in softball, basketball and in the Directors Cup (which compares ALL men’s and women’s sports, not just a hand-picked few).

  • 3grandslams Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 25, 2018 12:11 p.m.

    Pretty sure this wasn't innocent as U fans want to preach. Clearly, at this level the coaches know what they are doing. Now it makes sense why the U was able to take the series from BYU for the first time in 20 years! They were cheating.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 25, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    Article "a ruling that head coach Bill Kinneberg... instructed his then-director of baseball operations (Connor Lambert) to impermissibly perform coaching duties" essentially giving the Utes "the benefit of an extra coach".

    Picardy calls it "the premeditated, large-scale collaboration to engage everyone (including players) in an ongoing cover-up."

    Did you read an entirely different article Picardy? The coach and director of operations is two people, not a large-scale collaboration. The players were not involved.

  • My Rash is Red ,
    May 25, 2018 10:56 a.m.

    @ Cutie-Utie

    What on earth does a minor rules infraction by the Utah baseball team have to do with either BYU or football?

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 25, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    @Lester L. Wester - Henderson, NV
    May 25, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    "The "holier than thou" are out in full force this morning. Maybe should practice a little "judge not lest ye be judged", but that won't happen."

    Seemed like an innocent mistake, but it is a rule and there is a consequence. That's not holier than thou, just a fact. The only comment you could be referring to is the one about buying beer for the coaches. I know nothing about this. But if coaches did send their college team out to buy them beer, would you say that is wrong?

  • Picardy Provo, UT
    May 25, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    I am more troubled by the culture created by these coaches than by the particular violation. I don't justify the offense but the premeditated, large-scale collaboration to engage everyone (including players) in an ongoing cover-up seems worse (not to mention the apparent "party culture." Teaching character and integrity goes along way toward infusing the trust in players that will have them easily embrace your other instructions. Too bad!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 25, 2018 10:31 a.m.

    We dominated byu in baseball, football and the Deseret duel.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    May 25, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    The "holier than thou" are out in full force this morning. Maybe should practice a little "judge not lest ye be judged", but that won't happen.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 25, 2018 9:31 a.m.

    Getting caught cheating is bad enough, but sending out students to buy beer for the coaches was just as troubling.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 25, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    Rules is rules.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 25, 2018 9:01 a.m.

    Doing the wrong thing for the (seemingly) right reasons is still wrong. We make changes, pay the price, and move on.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    May 25, 2018 8:35 a.m.

    This seems pretty straightforward. Coach was in the wrong and the program has to pay for it. I think a lesson can be learned. I have to say---I'm relieved to see that nobody connected to the Ute Athletic program is screaming that they are being picked on or singled out. In Utah--we hear that from some places, sometimes--don't we? We were wrong. We admit it. Let's do things the right way. Utah has plenty of coaches who know how to do just that.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 25, 2018 8:01 a.m.

    Caught cheating again.

    Embarrassing.