Morning links: ESPN predicts another losing season for BYU; Fred Warner receives praise

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  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 27, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    Jello is Good - ,
    May 23, 2018 12:25 p.m.
    @Who am I sir? - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    "Wow, if this comes about consider:

    back to back 4-9 and 4-8 seasons.
    0-9 record against P-5 teams.
    0-2 record against Boise State."

    The 4 years of Crowton were worse and we came out of that one alright.

    ------------

    Crowton: #25, #90, #68, #41
    Sateki: #36, #112, TBD

    Bronco used Crowton's talent to build his program 2005-2009 (longer period due to RM).

    Also you now play 3-6 P5 teams with MWC level talent.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 26, 2018 11:01 a.m.

    “LOL at the hysteria one losing season at BYU generates under the crimson bubble.”

    road rage:

    LOL indeed. We were laughing hysterically!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 26, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    “I challenge you to cite even a single DN article that has BYU winning 10 games this year!”

    coogfan68:

    Not to worry, Harmon will come through for you in August.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 25, 2018 2:40 p.m.

    Wallbanger

    Utah...”National Champions” NEVER, but loads of “Moral SOS Victories”! It’s a good thing that division, conference and national championships don't count anymore, huh?

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 25, 2018 1:05 p.m.

    Jello is probably right, but I'm staying blue in that one. I have to go with BYU winning, just because.

    However the prediction is tough. Utah went from a 9/10 win team under ARod to a 7 win team with TT, in his second year will be bring them back up? If so is that because a few of the PAC south teams are rebuilding? How's the Utah health in November?

    Sorry for discussing Utah football on a BYU forum but I figure that half their fans are here anyway, so why not include them?

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 25, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    No conference for you:

    Byu...”National Champions” every year in “Moral Victories”! It’s a good thing the FINAL SCORE doesn’t count anymore, huh?

    Still waiting on ‘Utah State’s Little Brother’ to post the cougs stats vs. the “weak” PAC 12...

    Happy 3,100 day! That’s a LONG time!!!

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 25, 2018 11:31 a.m.

    @Uteofferouus - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2018 4:13 p.m.

    "I see Utah going 7-5 and I see BYU going 7-5. Only catch is that one of the 7 W's for BYU will be over Utah. Sorry Ute fans but it is what it is."

    I agree with you on every point except the Utah game. Although another extremely close game, I think Utah wins again, unfortunately, leaving BYU 6-6 and Utah 8-4. Both are unranked and both are going bowling.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 25, 2018 7:57 a.m.

    CougarForever

    "What will happen with our new highly regarded OC and crew:

    Arizona: We get them at a good time, first game with a new coaching staff and all sorts of confusion -- we get the surprise win

    California: A winnable game at home

    Wisconsin: Yeah, we lose this one

    McNeese State: Certain win

    Washington: OK, a loss there

    Utah State: No way we lose this one at home (although it will be a short week for us while the Aggies have two weeks to prepare)

    Hawaii -- a blow-out win like last year

    Northern Illinois -- not a cupcake but we win

    Boise State -- despite their pedigree and pre-season ranking they are fading, a likely surprise win for us

    UMass -- revenge win at Gillette Stadium

    New Mexico State -- they get two weeks to prepare but we take this one easily

    Utah -- in the season finale for both teams and after a long drought for us, we finally prevail over a Utes team that will be beat up from PAC-12 play

    Prediction: 9-3
    Best reasonable case: 10-2
    Worst foreseeable case: 7-5

    This will not be a bad season. ESPN's bogus FPI-based prediction will be long forgotten when it's over."

    Spot on.

    Go Cougars!

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    May 25, 2018 3:49 a.m.

    What will happen with our new highly regarded OC and crew:

    Arizona: We get them at a good time, first game with a new coaching staff and all sorts of confusion -- we get the surprise win

    California: A winnable game at home

    Wisconsin: Yeah, we lose this one

    McNeese State: Certain win

    Washington: OK, a loss there

    Utah State: No way we lose this one at home (although it will be a short week for us while the Aggies have two weeks to prepare)

    Hawaii -- a blow-out win like last year

    Northern Illinois -- not a cupcake but we win

    Boise State -- despite their pedigree and pre-season ranking they are fading, a likely surprise win for us

    UMass -- revenge win at Gillette Stadium

    New Mexico State -- they get two weeks to prepare but we take this one easily

    Utah -- in the season finale for both teams and after a long drought for us, we finally prevail over a Utes team that will be beat up from PAC-12 play

    Prediction: 9-3
    Best reasonable case: 10-2
    Worst foreseeable case: 7-5

    This will not be a bad season. ESPN's bogus FPI-based prediction will be long forgotten when it's over.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2018 10:27 p.m.

    Wallbanger

    “When your Cougs turn the ball over six or seven times, you lose by 44 points...at home. When Utah turns the ball over six times, they still win.”

    yawn

    Utah’s 6 turnovers were offset by several BYU turnovers.

    You’re conveniently forgetting that after giving you 5 touchdowns in the first 10 minutes of the Las Vegas Bowl, BYU dominated you the rest of the game and had Utah fans desperately hoping that BYU wouldn’t get one more possession at the end to tie the game and send it into overtime with BYU having all of the momentum.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 24, 2018 8:43 p.m.

    Aunty:

    Not just six points, but now we’re one day away from 3,100 days since the mighty cougs beat the Utes. Long live those “moral victories”!

    When your cougs turn the ball over six or seven times, you lose by 44 points...at home. When Utah turns the ball over six times, they still win. Even when we try to give it away, we can’t. Just be glad Utah has a hard time getting up for this game anymore.

    Still waiting on those impressive stats the whY has posted vs the incredibly “weak” PAC 12...

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 24, 2018 6:27 p.m.

    Wallbanger

    the weakest team
    in the weakest division
    of the weakest P5 conference

    barely beat one of the worst BYU teams in the last 50 years,

    by 6 points.

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    May 24, 2018 5:10 p.m.

    No way no how the offense is anywhere near as terrible as last year. They also beat UMass, Utah St, Cal and Utah if they can break the curse of just missing by 1 bad play or blown call.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 24, 2018 4:53 p.m.

    Weber State’s little brother:

    “- the weakest team
    - in the weakest division
    - of the weakest PAC 12 conference”

    Why don’t you remind us how your mighty cougs have fared against the PAC 12. Since they’re so “weak” and all. As bad as they are, I’m sure the whY has a dominating record over them. So go ahead and post those stats. If you’re too embarrassed...I’ll do it for you. All time and since going independent. Bet you can’t do it!

  • Uteofferouus Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2018 4:13 p.m.

    I see Utah going 7-5 and I see BYU going 7-5. Only catch is that one of the 7 W's for BYU will be over Utah. Sorry Ute fans but it is what it is.

  • PorLibertad Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2018 4:10 p.m.

    If BYU has a losing season again this year I will eat my University of Utah Utes hat even if it makes me puke - ugh!

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 24, 2018 1:15 p.m.

    robo

    "Did the BYU offense of the last two years look like an offense led by a 14-year NFL veteran described by many reliable sources as an offensive genius, or by a fullback turned defensive coach..."

    BYU's offense in 2016 looked like a mishmash of BYU's previous offense and some new wrinkles introduced by Detmer that under-performed given the talent they had at QB and RB.

    BYU's offense in 2017 looked like an old school offense run by an OC who had never coached at the major college football level and who had to deal with a rash of injuries that would have challenged even an experienced OC.

    It's too bad Detmer didn't have time to grow into the position. In hindsight, he should have started as QB coach, then slowly progressed to Assistant OC and then OC.

    Grimes hasn't been an OC before, but he's been coaching at the major college football level for over 20 years, including GA and coaching stints at Texas A&M, Boise St, Arizona St, BYU, Colorado, Auburn, Va Tech, and LSU.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 24, 2018 1:01 p.m.

    Bluto: "[According to ESPN, Eccles University will never win the South or play in a Rose Bowl.
    U of U] ...The Washington Generals of the Pac 12."

    Lester L. Wester: " So what does that make BYU?

    - ranked in the National Bottom 10 - for the first time EVER
    - never played a NY6 Bowl game - neither have U
    - no CFP ranking - Utah was never even close to being a CFP contender
    - hasn't beat a ranked team in 20 years
    - beat #18 Utah in 2009
    - has lost seven games in a row to Utah - the Utes have only beaten by more than a touchdown ONCE since 2009

    None of that, however, changes the fact that the Utes are

    - the weakest team
    - in the weakest division
    - of the weakest PAC 12 conference

    cannon fodder for the big boys of the PAC 12 and obsessed with comparing everything they do with BYU.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    May 24, 2018 12:25 p.m.

    Bluto: "The Washington Generals of the Pac12."

    So what does that make BYU-P, ranked in the National Bottom 10, never played a NY6 Bowl game, no CFP ranking, hasn't beat a ranked team in 20 years, and has lost seven games in a row to Utah? And the "tip of the spear" is going to get broken the last game of the season.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    May 24, 2018 10:51 a.m.

    Juice box,
    I am a huge BYU fan and avid DN reader! Even Rock who many call a BYU homer doesn't have BYU winning 10 games. I challenge you to cite even a single DN article that has BYU winning 10 games this year! I am a BYU homer and optimists and I think they will finish 7-5!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 24, 2018 9:27 a.m.

    BYU will finish no worse than 6-6 and will play in a bowl.

    Mark it Down!

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    May 24, 2018 6:54 a.m.

    I would dare say all major news companies predict a long season for BYU... with the exception of Deseret News, who has them at a 10 win season.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2018 1:52 a.m.

    Not even the broadcast partner can pretty up the disaster known as BYU football.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 23, 2018 10:28 p.m.

    @robo,

    What evidence do you base your statement?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 23, 2018 10:04 p.m.

    If BYU has the same level of injuries as last year, then maybe ESPN is right. Otherwise I think 6-6 is more reasonable.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 23, 2018 10:03 p.m.

    Do you think detmer was HC material?

    Sitake had a very good year and a very bad year.

    I'm heartbroken that detmer got fired, it seemed too early and not fair. Had they fired Sitake instead I'd feel the same way.

    Kalani and detmer's first season byu was 8 points away from perfection, and the second season was a disaster, the disaster seemed to be on offense and the coaching staff that's replaced needed to be replaced, and as far as a business decision I think that they made the right move.

    If BYU replaced Sitake guess who else gets replaced - detmer is gone in that scenario also as odds are the new HC isn't going to let him stay.

    Grimes has a lot of college experience, very good coach, if the offense does well but the defense stutters then I think that grimes will get that HC position he eventually wants at BYU in 2 years.

    I hate the decision, personally I think they needed to give him one more year, but if the AD or HC felt that a decision needed to be made it was the right call.

    Personally I hope detmer gets back to coaching at BYU in the future, possibly as a QB coach.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 23, 2018 5:34 p.m.

    IMO,--A national champion is still number one the next year until someone beats them.

    BYU is still a weak football team until they start winning on the field. Words and opinions don't matter!

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 23, 2018 4:51 p.m.

    Based on the disaster that BYU had in 2017 no wonder that the predictions are a bit grim.

    who cares!

    2017 wasn't predicted to be so bad, 2018 probably won't wind up as predicted either.

    Uteology is pessimistic about the 5-6 wins - on the other hand those saying that BYU will only lose 3 games might not be on the money.

    The computer numbers don't take into account the many factors at play here for both teams, it's almost always something different than expected.

    While it's cool for bragging rights if you win every game each year, it's not super exciting for fans.

    Many might disagree with me, but Superman needs to see it's own blood sometimes - I can deal with losses, I can hope for 7-5 to be the final record this year, after last year I'd be happy with 6 wins and content with 5. Programs don't always improve overnight, sometimes they do, but computers can't predict that. I'm anxious to see what kind of fight the ratings give our players this year, it's more exciting than them being comfortable.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2018 4:18 p.m.

    backpacn - Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2018 10:22 a.m.
    @utemythology: "FPI is an intern at ESPN? According to ESPN, you have a 3% chance of beating Washington, 4% Wisconsin, 13% Utah, 14% Boise, 15% Arizona, 20% Cal, 43% Cal, 45% Utah State."

    @utemythology: "In 2018, Utah is more than capable of 9-3."

    Pre-season FPI has Utah finishing 7-5.

    LOL at your inconsistency.

    -----

    Utah is a favorite in 9 games. So again, Utah is more than "capable" of winning 9-3.

    BYU is favorite in 4, I would say you are capable of winning 5-6.

    Good luck!

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 23, 2018 2:38 p.m.

    Mesake looks like a good get. He's got impressive offers.

    As for wins and predictions, last year was very different, this year we likely be different as well.

    I'm hoping for 7 wins, I think 6 is a safe bet, I think 8+ would be amazing.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 23, 2018 2:11 p.m.

    Another losing season? Yes!

    Until the Cougs prove different on the field.

    Use this as motivation!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2018 1:51 p.m.

    @Jello is good

    "The 4 years of Crowton were worse and we came out of that one alright."

    The 4 years of Crowton had a combined win/loss record of 26/23. No combination of two years was as bad as last year and this predicted record.

    In addition, in 2001 BYU defeated CAL, Utah, and Mississippi State. In 2002 BYU defeated Syracuse and lost to Georgia Tech and Utah. In 2003 BYU defeated Georgia Tech and lost to Notre Dame, Utah, USC, Stanford, and Boise State. In 2004 BYU defeated Notre Dame and lost to Stanford, USC, Boise State, and Utah. That is a combined record of 6 wins; 11 losses against now P-5 teams and Boise State during that span. (winning % 33%.)

    Certainly not BYU's "glory years"; however, that winning % against P-5 teams is about the same as BYU's historical average.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 23, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    "Hello,...BYU?"

    "Yes?"

    "This is ESPN calling. How about we re-up the contract for another 5 years at 3 times the money?"

    "Will you guarantee automatic tiered bowl tie-ins?"

    "You bet."

    "I think this is sustainable. Thanks partner."

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 23, 2018 12:50 p.m.

    ESPN is right. I predict 4-5 wins this season at best. Kalani Sitake is a really good coach but you can only go as far as your talent will take you. BYU is in a waste land of talent now days. It feels alot like the 1847 pioneers trying to make the most what little they had. The future for the Y isn't going to change no matter the coach. I will say this. BYU is going to have to drop ticket prices pretty soon otherwise all they will get is students in the stands. People will pay for a winner but not for a mediocre product.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 23, 2018 12:27 p.m.

    @cjd1 - Draper, UT
    May 23, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    "It is time for BYU to join the MWC and stop playing P5 teams. It is getting embarrassing."

    Actually you continuing to make this same post is what is getting embarrassing. Read the other article in DN which spells out the FACTS. BYU is never taking its football program back to a G5.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 23, 2018 12:25 p.m.

    @Who am I sir? - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    "Wow, if this comes about consider:

    back to back 4-9 and 4-8 seasons.
    0-9 record against P-5 teams.
    0-2 record against Boise State."

    The 4 years of Crowton were worse and we came out of that one alright.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2018 12:12 p.m.

    Important tip: Don't ask ESPN to help you pick your lottery numbers

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    Hmmm, another long-range prediction by ESPN. Are they going to start doing the weather too? They're so "solid" with their predictions.....

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    May 23, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    whoami

    LOL at the hysteria one losing season at BYU generates under the crimson bubble.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    May 23, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    It is time for BYU to join the MWC and stop playing P5 teams. It is getting embarrassing.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    Wow, if this comes about consider:

    back to back 4-9 and 4-8 seasons.
    0-9 record against P-5 teams.
    0-2 record against Boise State.

    Wins would be FCS Portland State and McNeese State; Hawaii (2); San Jose State; UNLV; No. Illinois; and New Mexico State.

    And hardest to handle: 8 straight and 13 of 16 losses to Utah.

    Power 5 conferences and ESPN no longer taking calls?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2018 10:34 a.m.

    @Uteology

    According to ESPN, Eccles University will never win the South or play in a Rose Bowl.

    # U of U .....The Washington Generals of the Pac12.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    @utemythology: "FPI is an intern at ESPN? According to ESPN, you have a 3% chance of beating Washington, 4% Wisconsin, 13% Utah, 14% Boise, 15% Arizona, 20% Cal, 43% Cal, 45% Utah State."

    @utemythology: "In 2018, Utah is more than capable of 9-3."

    Pre-season FPI has Utah finishing 7-5.

    LOL at your inconsistency.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    Bluto - Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2018 9:21 a.m.
    ESPN is not a Human Being, therefore, ESPN predicted nothing!
    Some intern at ESPN made a prediction.
    Big Deal!

    -----

    FPI is an intern at ESPN?

    According to ESPN, you have a 3% chance of beating Washington, 4% Wisconsin, 13% Utah, %14% Boise, 15% Arizona, 20% Cal, 43% Cal, 45% Utah State.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 23, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    If Sitake gets fired, he and Holmoe should share the same Uber out of town. It was Holmoe's brilliant idea to hire an inexperienced OC and think it would be swell. Once Sitake was allowed to hire a real OC, that OC hired real position coaches.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 23, 2018 9:28 a.m.

    My vote is if we have another losing season in 2018 that Sitake be fired. A losing season in 2018 plus, and this is huge, the manner in which we lost so badly, so often, in 2017 plus the manner/debacle in which Detmer was fired tells me it would be time to get someone else.

    I hope it doesn't come to that.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 23, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    Can't blame them after last year and all the unknowns this year. Although I think we are on the right track now, BYU could post anywhere between 4 and 8 wins. I'll cut it right down the middle and predict a 6-6 year.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2018 9:21 a.m.

    ESPN is not a Human Being, therefore, ESPN predicted nothing!
    Some intern at ESPN made a prediction.
    Big Deal!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 23, 2018 9:02 a.m.

    ESPN predicts a losing season? I love it - those guys are wrong every year. A .500 year would not be surprising.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    "ESPN predicts another losing season for BYU"

    yawn...

    Last season, ESPN predicted that

    BYU would be playing Houston in a bowl

    and

    Utah and Colorado would finish 3rd and 4th in the PAC 12 South