BYU, with Yoeli Childs returning, anticipating a strong 2018-19 basketball season

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  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2018 11:19 p.m.

    @jello
    Haws, on the other hand should have a better year. He plays better when the ball is in his hands,

    ————

    Haws had the ball in his hands last year. He and Hardnett were primary ball handlers running the offense. It didn’t help his game.

    As for your claim that Seljaas will get less playing time, with the departure of Dastrup, Zac will get as many minutes as he did last year if not more. Unfortunately with Dastrup gone we’ll likely see Baxter end up playing a lot of 4 this year and Childs playing a lot of 5. This won’t make either player very happy

    Rose has gone on record stating he will open up the offense more than we saw last year with Schroyer’s rigid “Coach Norman Dale/Hoosiers pass 5 times before anyone is allowed to shoot” scheme which set BYU basketball back in time and led to less offense. This will be a good thing and make BYU more dangerous.

    With Schroyer gone and Rose balancing the offense more we’ll see Seljaas regain the confidence in his shot because he and Haws won’t be under the restraint they were last year.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 23, 2018 12:40 p.m.

    @ Gruncle

    You are the one talking out of both sides of your mouth. The days of running down the court and tossing up the first 3 you find after passing half court are gone. Seljaas and Haws' poor shooting last year were not because they were handcuffed. Taking less shots does not mean you by rule have to shoot a poorer percentage. You shoot a poorer percentage because either you shot poorly or your shot selection was not as good.

    Seljaas is over-rated by many including yourself. He is our fifth best guard and our fifth best forward. I actually see him getting less playing time than last year.

    Haws, on the other hand should have a better year. He plays better when the ball is in his hands, unlike his brother who played better off the ball. Last year was a HUGE improvement for him in every aspect of his game except 3-point shooting. (defense, rebounds, assit to turnover ratio, etc..) With Bryant gone, he should feel in the flow a bit more. Hopefully he will maintain the discipline he learned last year, rather than flying in to the key and getting in the air with no place to go like the year before.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2018 11:20 a.m.

    @jello

    "2. BYU will NOT have a renewed interest in early transition offense. Run when you have the advantage...If not, why tire out your bigs like Childs, Baxter, Lee, Nixon. Play disciplined. stay in your lanes. Don't over-extend...If he coaches to their strength, big year. If he is run and gun and inflexible, maybe his last year.

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    I think you're a little over-extended here because you contradict yourself.

    That IS what transition offense is, run when you have the advantage & Rose has said we'll look to take advantage. Transition in basketball generally occurs after a missed shot or a turnover and the defense doesn't have the time to get set up. Transition offense isn't a free-for-all, it's very disciplined, it's generally when you have a man advantage like a 3-on-2 or a 2-on-1 and doesn't over-extend the offense, it takes advantage of over-extension of the D.

    You condition for it and it doesn't tire out your bigs because in transition offense often the shot is taken before the bigs get to mid court. If anything it gives them a bit of a break.

    We were very inflexible on offense last year and the team suffered for it because we DIDN'T coach to their strengths.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 22, 2018 1:40 p.m.

    @KimmyP - Grantsville, UT
    May 22, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    "It's so funny when the blue faithful can't come up with anything original, so they parrot things from Big Brother, and try deflecting like always when they're called out. 😂

    Call us when the cougs get a seat at the adult table. 😴"

    K-Pop, this article is about basketball. We beat you by double digits and have made a habit of doing that to you. We own you in basketball. You are eating our scraps off the big boy table.

    And since you Uties seem to thing stars = championships, on our current roster we have 7 four star players while you have 3.

    We will smoke you again this coming year. The only thing in question is if we will clear the bench and let even the walk-ons play.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 22, 2018 12:52 p.m.

    KimmyP

    Call us when the Utes accomplish something of significance in a big boy conference - annual 5th place finishes in the weakest division of the weakest P5 is NOT an accomplishment.

    Everybody knows that your invitation to the PAC 12 had absolutely nothing to do with your paltry few football accomplishments.

    BYU owned U historically and in the four seasons immediately preceding your PAC 12 invite, and your traveling partner, who was invited before you were even in the picture, was a dumpster fire at the time.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 22, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    @fakenews,

    It's so funny when the blue faithful can't come up with anything original, so they parrot things from Big Brother, and try deflecting like always when they're called out. 😂

    Call us when the cougs get a seat at the adult table. 😴

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2018 11:02 a.m.

    So when the utes even get the occasional 3 or 4 star player it is big new and stars matter.
    When BYU has a ton of 3 and four star players, stars do not matter.
    Fickle thinking if you ask me..

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 22, 2018 10:46 a.m.

    @Rockwell - Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    "4 Star Recruits: Childs, Haws, Emery, Baxter, Dastrup, Harding, Lee

    3 Recruits: Nixon, Seljaas, Hardnett, Worthington, Shaw, Andrus

    Lots of new, young talent being added to BYU's roster next season."

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    In contrast Utah has:

    4 star recruits: Johnson, Doutrive, Carlson, Allen

    3 star recruits: Rawson, Popoola, Tillman, Brenchly, Buttan, Guskin, Jones, Thioune

    BYU has 4 more four stars than Utah. Using Ute rationale since stars are all that matter to them we might as well not even play the game. Utah's recruiting is substantially inferior.

    Hehehehe.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    4 Star Recruits: Childs, Haws, Emery, Baxter, Dastrup, Harding, Lee

    3 Recruits: Nixon, Seljaas, Hardnett, Worthington, Shaw, Andrus

    Lots of new, young talent being added to BYU's roster next season.

    Looking forward to seeing how they come together as a team.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 22, 2018 8:18 a.m.

    jonny in the city

    "When was the last time BYU played in 2 top-tier/BCS bowl games?"

    The failed BCS system died a merciful death 5 years ago.

    The fact that Utah-SLC fans keep trumpeting their "achievements" in a failed system from over a decade ago, shows just how bereft your program is of any real achievements.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 22, 2018 7:12 a.m.

    jonny in slc

    "Coug fans can't stand the response to the original topic, so they move the goal posts. "

    Nope!

    The subject was championships - division, conference and national. Ute fans have been spouting off about winning PAC 12 championships and playing in the Rose Bowl since 2010, so they were challenged:

    @fakenews: "Call us when Utah actually wins a division, conference or national title."

    To which you replied:

    @ JohnInSLC: Why? The Utes won a conference title since BYU last did it.

    Thereby, broadening the subject to include all championships.

    BYU has won at least one championship in each category.

    Utah-SLC has never won a division or national championship, and has been pathetic at winning conference championships for over half-a-century.

    Since 1965, BYU has won 23 conference championships and 9 of their champions were ranked and won at least 11 games.

    Since 1965, Utah has won 5 conference championships and only 2 of their champions were ranked and won at least 11 games.

    Not only has been won more than FOUR times as many championships in the last half century, BYU's champions have been MUCH more successful on a national scale.

  • RR Omaha, NE
    May 22, 2018 5:53 a.m.

    "When was the last time BYU-P played in 2 top-tier/BCS bowl games?"

    John, what on Earth does little red bro's only football accomplishment in their program have to do with Child's? Stick to the topic at hand.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 22, 2018 12:00 a.m.

    azute1,

    "...byu-p will equally get handled by us to make it 4 out of the previous 5 meetings for us, period."

    *****************

    It's really hard for me to follow your posts.... I don't understand the reasoning,,, if there is any,

    what is meant by "equally handled"... Out of the last 16 games between BYU and utah the utes have lost 12... BY any objective measurement that record screams that the utes are inferior to the Cougs in BB... or in other words, the Coug have owned the utes in BB over the past 10 years.

    December's game will be on a neutral floor and I believe that BYU will make it 13 W's out of the last 17 games between the two... The Cougs won't have Bryant but they will have Baxter, Emery, Andrus and Connor Harding which they didn't have this year... The Cougs should be better and that's bad news for the utes.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 21, 2018 11:45 p.m.

    johnnyisnslc

    "When was the last time BYU-P played in 2 top-tier/BCS bowl games?"

    ****************

    Here we go again... lol... who cares... 10 + Years ago.

    Comparing a 2008 Sugar Bowl Appearance and a 2004 Fiesta Bowl Appearance to a NC 34 years ago , a Heisman Trophy 28 years ago, and numerous other national trophy winners (Doak Walker, Sammy Baugh, Johnny Unitas, Outland, etc) is totally laughable.... but then, that's all Ute fans have and so I guess those 2 games are important to you... so congratulations.

  • Bigtimecoug Houston, TX
    May 21, 2018 11:21 p.m.

    BYU would have beaten Utah without Child's. Now they're going to crush them.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2018 10:16 p.m.

    "Nice try, but you didn't answer the question"

    No Bowl for BYU-P:

    Coog fans can't stand the response to the original topic, so they move the goal posts. In that spirit, my answer is:

    When was the last time BYU-P played in 2 top-tier/BCS bowl games?

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 21, 2018 3:52 p.m.

    Jello is good...

    "This year if we make the NCAA and place higher than 3rd in the WCC it will NOT be because we played up-tempo or shot three’s better.

    It will be because we rebound better, play interior defense better, and have the depth to not have to play the same five guys for 40 minutes."

    I think it will be all of the above.

    - BYU needs to take advantage of fast break situations to get easy scores.

    - BYU needs to hit threes in order to open up the middle.

    - BYU needs to have a deeper bench to keep players fresh on offense and defense and to hustle for lose balls and rebounds.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 2:24 p.m.

    IMO the reason we have struggled with SMC and the Zags is that we did not have the size or depth. This also cost us a couple of head scratchers per year when our shooting was off.

    This year if we make the NCAA and place higher than 3rd in the WCC it will NOT be because we played up-tempo or shot three’s better.

    It will be because we rebound better, play interior defense better, and have the depth to not have to play the same five guys for 40 minutes.

    The three stars on this team will be Childs, Emery and Baxter.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 1:58 p.m.

    @Gruncle Ralph - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 12:41 p.m.

    "The level of offensive restraint last year with basketball hurt overall productivity imo.

    Fitting the offensive scheme around the talent we have will yield a better result and allow players like Haws, Emery and Seljaas play more instinctive in select situations. "

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    First let me say that Emery wasn't on the team last year so comparison's involving his production from the previous year are not needed.

    Second Seljaas played poorly and Bryant played well so Seljaas received little PT. This won't change next year. He is the fifth best guard and/or the fifth best forward on next years team. Let's not change our offense for a deep bench player.

    That leaves Haws. I believe Haws' production suffered on offense first from being tired playing both ends of the court. Second Bryant usually had the ball and, unlike is brother, TJ doesn't play as well off the ball. That being said, I liked his game much more last year than the year before

    Let's build our offense around our best players. This year that will be Childs, Baxter, and Emery with Haws a distant 4th. Seljaas is a role player.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 1:55 p.m.

    @MRM

    Villanova attempted 1,158 3PT and made 464 (40%) in 2017-18.
    BYU attempted 649 3PT and made 225 (35%) in 2017-18

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    Nice data point...it illustrates the problems with BYU's offense last season and the restraint that some players seemed to operate under.

    @Jello

    Control from our bench was a little too tight last season and with Schroyer gone will ease up this year (good thing). Villanova ranked #1 in 3pt makes last season, #2 in 3pt attempts and #13 in 3pt%. They finished the year scoring 86.6 pts a game (#1) and had 7 players shoot 35% or better from 3.

    By contrast BYU was #243rd in 3pt makes, #250th in 3pt attempts and #191st in 3pt%. We scored 74.3 pts (160th) and had 3 players shoot 35% or better (2 of those were bench guys who hardly ever played).

    In our own conference Gonzaga showed we lagged seriously behind offensively. Gonzaga made 328 3's (#29 nationally) on 891 attempts (#32), shot 37% (#86) and scored 83.5 pts per game (#11) yet was able to match BYU defensively last year (BYU - 67.8 pts #56 vs Gonzaga - 67.7 pts #53).

    Coaches are working to find that right balance between run n' gun and playing Coach Dale/Hoosiers style.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    jonny boy

    Nice try, but you didn't answer the question:

    "When was the last time Utah-SLC had back-to-back, 11+ win, Top 15, conference champions?"

    Hint:

    - It wasn't this century
    - It wasn't last century
    - It wasn't in the century before that

    Regardless of how you frantically and emotionally try to spin it:

    BYU has won TWICE as many conference championships during the Whittingham era as U.

    and

    BYU has won nearly FOUR TIMES as many conference championships in the last 6 decades as U.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    DEW Cougars

    "Here we go again. Can we wait till they play in November?"

    Wait for what?

    Are you saying that no sport should ever be discussed until the season has begun?

    Or, that no predictions should ever be made until after the season is finished?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2018 1:28 p.m.

    “'The Utes won a conference title since BYU last did it. Seems like it's your turn to call us.'

    When was the last time Utah-SLC had back-to-back, 11+ win, Top 15, conference champions?"

    defective reasoning:

    Like I said, sometime BEFORE Utah last won a conference championship. Try to keep up.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 21, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    It's Monday, time for another "BYU might do well" sports article, and time for the onslaught of comments from those who have outgrown us and moved beyond us yet still light up our boards with outrage that BYU sports actually exist and people have the nerve to cheer for them.

    as for the BB team - who knows if they'll be good or not, depends on how the good players gel together as a team.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2018 1:18 p.m.

    Here we go again. Can we wait till they play in November?

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    @WillCall - Bountiful, UT
    May 21, 2018 11:36 a.m.

    "@Brave Sir Robin - San Diego, CA
    May 21, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    They all believe in themselves and their teammates, but the rest know how to keep their mouths shut in public."

    They say sometimes it's wise to take your own advice.
    ____________

    "They also say, you first."

    ----------------

    Why? I have no problem with speaking out. It would appear that BSR would like us all to sit on our hands and say nothing....Unless, of course, it is he that has something to say.

    I say speak up. Tell them what you think. If you think you will win, then say it.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    May 21, 2018 12:55 p.m.

    DETERMINISM

    "When asked about the situation with Emery and the NCAA investigation, coach Lewis said “I have not idea” “I don’t know where it’s at”. I would rather coach Lewis simply say , no comment or they don’t discuss issues like that. Coach Lewis knows exactly what is going on and where the investigation stands being that he has mentored Emery through this difficult time. Patently and categorically lying about the situation is beneath the dignity and values of the institution he represents. We all forgive Emery for his mistake and optimistically wish him well. Let’s show some integrity coach Lewis."

    The NCAA is notoriously slow at investigating cases and making decisions, so what proof do you have that Coach Lewis is lying?

    Let's not forget that the NCAA has much bigger fish to fry with the FBI shoe scandal, so it's very possible that Emery's case is still waiting on the back burner.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    May 21, 2018 12:49 p.m.

    jello

    "Rose has 7 four star and 6 three star players this year. If he coaches to their strength, big year. If he is run and gun and inflexible, maybe his last year."

    There's a difference between run and gun and simply taking advantage of early offensive opportunities.

    Well coached teams can do both - push the ball early, then back it out and set up the half-court offense if the early break isn't there.

    Shooting is all about confidence and rhythm. Players have to know that the coaches have enough confidence in them to hit the early, open shot in rhythm, and coaches have to have enough confidence to know that their players won't rush bad shots.

    Villanova attempted 1,158 3PT and made 464 (40%) in 2017-18.
    BYU attempted 649 3PT and made 225 (35%) in 2017-18.

    Quite obviously, walking the ball up and passing it around the key for 30 seconds before throwing up a forced shot was not working. Teams that rely solely on trying to force the ball inside aren't successful unless they have a dominating, unstoppable front line.

    Without that, BYU is going to have to be much more successful at hitting 3's in order to open up the middle for BYU's bigs.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 12:41 p.m.

    @jello

    Rose has 7 four star and 6 three star players this year. If he coaches to their strength, big year. If he is run and gun and inflexible, maybe his last year

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    As a coach you also need to craft an offense that plays to the strengths of your players and not try to force square pegs through round holes. We saw this didn't work well with our offense in football the past couple of seasons. The 2016 season we were very mediocre on offense despite having an NFL QB and an NFL running back at the point of attack.

    The level of offensive restraint last year with basketball hurt overall productivity and while players like Childs and Bryant had a green light to shoot whenever, the rest of the team played under more restriction and suffered as a result. The pendulum swung from one extreme to the other imo.

    Fitting the offensive scheme around the talent we have will yield a better result and allow players like Haws, Emery and Seljaas play more instinctive in select situations. Coaches have already said those situations will be on misses by the other team when we have transition opportunities. Opening up the offense a little more will be a good thing for all.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 21, 2018 12:11 p.m.

    jonny boy

    “The Utes won a conference title since BYU last did it. Seems like it's your turn to call us.”

    When was the last time Utah-SLC had back-to-back, 11+ win, Top 15, conference champions?

    BYU has more such achievements since 2006, than Utah-SLC has achieved in their entire history.

    And, let’s not forget, BYU has done that MULTIPLE times.

    Despite your BCS resume, you’ve still only won 6 conference championships in the last 6 decades.

    LOL!

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 11:54 a.m.

    8 years in a watered down conference in both basketball and football and what have the utes accomplished?

    Determ, How do you know that the coach does not know what is happening at the NCAA level? Do you know more that he? Please do tell.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 11:46 a.m.

    BlueCoug

    "Whatever losses incur with the departures of Schroyer and Bryant imo will be made up by return of Zac, Nick and TJ."

    1. The losses of Bryant and Shroyer will be compensated, but NOT by Zach and TJ. More likely from Baxter, Childs, Emery and Lee.

    "BYU will have a renewed emphasis on early transition offense. "

    2. BYU will NOT have a renewed interest in early transition offense. Run when you have the advantage. If not, why tire out your bigs like Childs, Baxter, Lee, Nixon. Play disciplined. stay in your lanes. Don't over-extend.

    "BYU used to be one of the best teams in the country in early offense, often scoring within a few seconds after a made basket by their opponent, which is VERY discouraging if you're the opponent."

    3. BYU may have been good at early offense, but this often resulted in early offense for the other team. When they were hot, great. When not, trouble. This lack of consistency led to 2 or 3 stupid losses taking them out of an at large and then early exit from the tournament.

    Rose has 7 four star and 6 three star players this year. If he coaches to their strength, big year. If he is run and gun and inflexible, maybe his last year.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 11:41 a.m.

    I would rather see a positive attitude from the players and a sense that they can accomplish great things than just the opposite.

    I still cannot believe the BYU obsession from Azute and the rest of the jealous ute fans. Get over beat downs in 12 of the last 16 games to the Cougars. You don't wear the jealousy well.

    Back talk, Not hype, just facts. The score board speaks for itself 12 of the last 16 games.

    Go Gougs.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2018 11:41 a.m.

    "Call us when Utah actually wins a division, conference or national title."

    fakecomment:

    Why? The Utes won a conference title since BYU-P last did it. Seems like it's your turn to call us.

  • WillCall Bountiful, UT
    May 21, 2018 11:36 a.m.

    @ Jello is Good - ,
    May 21, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin - San Diego, CA
    May 21, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    @One of Vai's Cousins
    They all believe in themselves and their teammates, but the rest know how to keep their mouths shut in public."

    They say sometimes it's wise to take your own advice.
    ____________

    They also say, you first.

  • fakenews Layton, UT
    May 21, 2018 11:20 a.m.

    kimmy

    This happens every year on the hill. During the spring and summer, outlandish claims are made based on nothing more than wishful thinking. Then when reality sets in, the crimson goggles wearers whine/brag about their SOS and proudly proclaim "wait 'til next year".

    It's so funny to watch the lather, rinse, repeat cycle each year.

    Call us when Utah actually wins a division, conference or national title.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 21, 2018 11:11 a.m.

    Gruncle Ralph

    "Whatever losses we incur with the departures of Schroyer and Bryant imo will be made up by return to form of players like Zac, Nick and TJ."

    I agree.

    BYU will have a renewed emphasis on early transition offense.

    Instead of walking the ball up court on every possession, you'll see BYU pushing the ball after missed and made shots and looking for 2 on 1 and 3 on 2 situations.

    BYU used to be one of the best teams in the country in early offense, often scoring within a few seconds after a made basket by their opponent, which is VERY discouraging if you're the opponent.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    May 21, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    Jello hit most of the points of areas of improvement. Haws passed better and was a little more selective with his shot last year than he was the year before. I’m hoping he’ll continue that positive trend. Their defense was better last year. Let’s hope that trend continues with Schoyer gone. What was glaringly deficient last year was their offensive rebounding. They seemed to totally abandon that aspect
    of their game, especially toward the end of the year. If they want to be better without Bryant, they have to fix their rebounding, because when the shots aren’t falling, they have to generate more tries.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 21, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    This happens every year in happy valley. During the spring and summer, outlandish claims are made based on nothing more than wishful thinking. Then when reality sets in after the first loss, the blue faithful proudly proclaim "wait 'til next year".

    It's so funny to watch the lather, rinse, repeat cylce each year. 😂

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    @azute 1

    Asu actually had a shot against Syracuse to make the final 64....But they only made it that far due to routing Xavier on a neutral court /Kanses in a true road game, in addition to going undefeated during Ooc games.

    Furthermore, Usc got absolutely 100% robbed....And an additional reason for them fizzling out ...

    It’ll be no different next season—The wcc will be yet again a Ncaa Tourney 1-bid conference, no more, going to Gu, period.

    byu-p will equally get handled by us to make it 4 out of the previous 5 meetings for us, period
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    blah, blah, blah...a ton of excuse making coming from the hill. Meanwhile the Pac12 slides closer and closer to becoming a 1 bid league with a representative team that goes one and done in the tourney.

    as for Utah's little win streak in basketball, it's like hiccups, they're over and done with and we're back to the usual business of BYU beating Utah in basketball by double digits like we've done for the better part of Rose's time at BYU.

    It's business as usual going forward in the rivalry. BYU winners of 12 of the past 16 etc etc.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 10:46 a.m.

    @idablu
    The loss of their best player, Elijah Bryant, and the loss of perhaps their best defensive coach for as long as I remember, does not bode well for this upcoming season.

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    Whatever gains that were made with improved defense came at the expense of a much worse offense. I liked the toughness that Schroyer brought and the level of accountability but it maybe cost us more than we benefitted.

    Same goes, imo, with coaches elevating Elijah's role on the team last year. His usage rate increased from the previous year and it seemed to come at the expense of Haws' game. Bryant appeared to have a green light to shoot any time.

    Players like Seljaas and Haws however appeared to play under some restraint and were fighting their natural impulse to shoot all season long and this constant second guessing of themselves affected both their confidence in shooting and their offensive efficiency which overall hurt the team. We never had that reliable 3rd scorer all season long.

    Whatever losses we incur with the departures of Schroyer and Bryant imo will be made up by return to form of players like Zac, Nick and TJ.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    @john in scl

    But, given the long history of BYU-P and its fans, reporters, even coaches and players, making very loud and brash pre-season predictions--that nearly always go unfulfilled, now it just sounds like part of a season ticket campaign, and causes more problems than it solves.

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    This coming from a member of a fanbase that has made it an annual practice and pre-season rite predicting pre-season Rose Bowl glory and Conference Championships and punctuating those proclamations with phrases such as, "Mark it down!!!"

    sheesh....more typical ute fan hypocrisy.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin - San Diego, CA
    May 21, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    @One of Vai's Cousins

    "They all believe in themselves and their teammates, but the rest know how to keep their mouths shut in public."

    They say sometimes it's wise to take your own advice.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    May 21, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    "I'd be more optimistic if Elijah Bryant was coming back."

    Me too. BYU will be much better in every way next year EXCEPT Assistant Coach (Shroyer) and guard defense as well as somebody that can take their man off the dribble in the half court (Bryant).

    If Childs and Baxter can draw some defensive attention down low and they with Nixon do some work on the offensive glass it would help. So would discipline on shot selection and passing from Haws and Emery.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    May 21, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    Wayne Rout

    "Another 3rd place finish in the conference again this coming year with no chance to beat anyone with a dominating center. Looks like a repeat to me."

    Based on what?

    Have you done any sort of critical analysis, or are you just spouting off?

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    May 21, 2018 9:43 a.m.

    Hope springs eternal so is that bad? BYU fans want BYU to be a winner. Utah has had good teams, pay their coach an astronomical sum. Trouble is I have no interest in watching Utah for more than a minute or two. Even beating Utah last year, I was impressed with Utah and thought on their home court BYU might have lost. In the meantime Gavin is now 6'8" (he told me so) and I am excited to watch him this year.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 21, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    I'd be more optimistic if Elijah Bryant was coming back.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    May 21, 2018 9:30 a.m.

    Another 3rd place finish in the conference again this coming year with no chance to beat anyone with a dominating center. Looks like a repeat to me.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2018 9:15 a.m.

    I remember lots of Utah fans predicting Rose Bowl games and conference championships for the Utes as soon as Utah was invited to the PAC 12 and I remember those same Utah fans castigating BYU fans when they mentioned that Arizona had been in the PAC 12 for 30 years and still hadn't played in the Rose Bowl.

    Remind us how many PAC 12 championships the Utes have won in the last 7, almost 8, seasons.

    Remind us how many division titles the Utes have won in football.

    Until you're ready to accept your own mediocrity, stop whining about BYU showing a little optimism at the beginning of each new season.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 21, 2018 9:01 a.m.

    Great optimist! Always better to believe you're joining a great team and win than other teams who live to just hope to beat one team.

    Keep up the great attitude pal!

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    May 21, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    Yeah, players should think, "I hope we win a game or two. Hey, we might even be in the running for fourth place this year. Our team is sooooo bad. We don't have a chance."
    That makes no sense. The premise that teams should keep expectations low is silly. I especially shake my head when I see fans of one team calling out fans of another team for having hope that their team will exceed expectations. Let us all be fans. Let teams set lofty goals. It will shake out how it shakes out. Do you want your team to say they want to be mediocre at best? No.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2018 8:47 a.m.

    "don’t you want your star player and leader to believe in himself and teammates?"

    Vai's cousin:

    Of course, when done internally.

    But, given the long history of BYU-P and its fans, reporters, even coaches and players, making very loud and brash pre-season predictions--that nearly always go unfulfilled, now it just sounds like part of a season ticket campaign, and causes more problems than it solves.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 21, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    @One of Vai's Cousins

    "It may or may not play out that way but don’t you want your star player and leader to believe in himself and teammates?"

    Of course you do! But that doesn't mean he has to blab in the media about it. That's essentially the difference between BYU-P athletes and college athletes everywhere else: They all believe in themselves and their teammates, but the rest know how to keep their mouths shut in public.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 8:26 a.m.

    @Old But Not Stupid - Moorpark, CA
    May 21, 2018 7:36 a.m.

    "Enjoy watching Childs play, but I never liked to give my opponents motivational locker room "bulletin board" material."

    If that mild bit of positivity is what you need to get motivated in the WCC to play BYU, than you have no business in Division 1 ball. Nothing to see here. Move along please.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    Oh, and for all of our star counting little brothers on the hill that think that stars guarantee success:

    4 Star Recruits:
    Childs
    Haws
    Emery
    Baxter
    Dastrup
    Harding
    Lee

    3 Stars:
    Nixon
    Seljaas
    Hardnett
    Worthington
    Shaw
    Andrus

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Get real.

    Everyone except the crimson goggles wearers knows that the entire PAC 12 was vastly overrated last season and a complete and utter failure in the bowls and in the NCAA tournament.

    Only one minor, meaningless bowl win and not a single win in the Big Dance.

    A couple more seasons of such dismal failure and the P5 will be reduced to P4.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    May 21, 2018 8:00 a.m.

    Glad Everyone is an amazing player and if the teams listed is an amazing schedule they should go undefeated. They don’t have to worry about playing weak conferences like Big East and ACC

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 21, 2018 7:57 a.m.

    BlueHusky

    "Amazed at the negativity. BYU has been in the Dance many times; the last was what? 3 years ago?... BYU has been very very young last three years."

    Despite the glass half-full fans and BYU haters, BYU has never missed playing in the NCAA or NIT tournament during the Dave Rose era, including 7 NCAA tournament appearances. BYU has had one of the youngest teams in the NCAA the last three years.

    ------------

    azute1

    BYU owns U in basketball - 12 of the last 16, with 9 dominating double-digit wins, including last season.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2018 7:37 a.m.

    Few athletes enter a season saying their team is unlikely to do well in the coming season. Optimism and confidence are the foundations of success. Childs is leading the way. Congratulations to him and his returning team mates.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    May 21, 2018 7:36 a.m.

    Enjoy watching Childs play, but I never liked to give my opponents motivational locker room "bulletin board" material.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 21, 2018 7:29 a.m.

    Let's evaluate what Childs said:

    This will be the best team in the three years he has been there.-Could be true. They certainly will be the deepest. We actually will have some talent and depth at the F/C position we haven't had before. Although there is more depth at the guard position than the last three years, they will miss Bryant's size, defense and ability to take his man in the half court.

    We should win the conference. - Gonzaga and Saint Mary's lost stars, especially Saint Mary's. This should be a two team competition for the conference championship.

    We should make the NCAA tournament - Last year BYU played in the championship game, right? The winner goes to the tournament, right? BYU had in the past played Gonzaga tough and won a few, right? So is it too far fetched that if BYU possibly has a better team than last year, Gonzaga lost three starters and two of their stars, and Saint Mary's lost their starting five, that BYU has a decent shot of winning the tournament and getting an auto-bid to the tournament?

    Go Cougars.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    May 21, 2018 4:22 a.m.

    Amazed at the negativity. BYU has been in the Dance many times; the last was what? 3 years ago?

    BYU has been very very young last three years. Key players leaving for the pros (mostly Europe).

    College hoops in general is problematic: the one and done rule has been crazy. When a kid thinks he can get a million dollar contract, why stay in college? BYU isn't the only team with turnover.

    This year's team looks different. Heath Shroyer is gone. Lee Cummard may or may not be effective. But the talent looks good. As Trump says "We'll see".

  • Morning Star ,
    May 21, 2018 1:08 a.m.

    " Gracious. This is an issue of credibility. Stop making these statements until you have proven even partially capable to accomplish these goals/bold declarations."

    The POTUS does it almost every day. So, we are all used to "issue of credibility" and "bold declarations." I wish BYU well and Yoeli the very best. Time will tell.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2018 1:07 a.m.

    Geez, listening to yc makes one believe we’ve traveled back in time & he’s talking about 1 of John Wooden’s Ucla teams....Hysterical.

    “Not just us, but Arizona State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, USC and those types of teams are re-evaluating how they’re scheduling after what happened this last year.”

    *Asu actually had a shot against Syracuse to make the final 64....But they only made it that far due to routing Xavier on a neutral court /Kanses in a true road game, in addition to going undefeated during Ooc games.

    Furthermore, Usc got absolutely 100% robbed....And an additional reason for them fizzling out during Nit was exclusively due to their super star sitting out in order to prep for draft.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 20, 2018 11:42 p.m.

    2 reasons why byu-p isn’t winning anything—They have their 2-3 mind-boggling Ls every year [Pacific, Lmu, anybody?]/Gu.

    It’ll be no different next season—The wcc will be yet again a Ncaa Tourney 1-bid conference, no more, going to Gu, period.

    byu-p will equally get handled by us to make it 4 out of the previous 5 meetings for us, period.

    Go Utes!

  • One of Vai's Cousins DC, Washington
    May 20, 2018 10:43 p.m.

    Lots of optimism and confidence. It may or may not play out that way but don’t you want your star player and leader to believe in himself and teammates? I knew some would criticize the confidence but as an athlete you have to have that!

  • DETERMINISM UTAH, UT
    May 20, 2018 10:34 p.m.

    When asked about the situation with Emery and the NCAA investigation, coach Lewis said “I have not idea” “I don’t know where it’s at”. I would rather coach Lewis simply say , no comment or they don’t discuss issues like that. Coach Lewis knows exactly what is going on and where the investigation stands being that he has mentored Emery through this difficult time. Pattenly and categorically lying about the situation is beneath the dignity and values of the institution he represents. We all forgive Emery for his mistake and optimistically wish him well. Let’s show some integrity coach Lewis.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 20, 2018 8:46 p.m.

    Success begins with having confidence in yourself.

    I’m glad to hear Yoeli expressing confidence in himself and in his teammates.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    May 20, 2018 7:48 p.m.

    I really like Yoeli’s optimism and enthusiasm but he really should pull it back a notch or 2. The loss of their best player, Elijah Bryant, and the loss of perhaps their best defensive coach for as long as I remember, does not bode well for this upcoming season. Maybe the guys coming off their missions are superstars, but I really don’t see this team faring any better than the underachieving team of yesteryear.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    May 20, 2018 6:38 p.m.

    Back Talk

    “ Even after failure after failure they keep coming back and tell us the ‘they can compete with anyone in the country.’ They keep telling us that ‘this will be the year we win the conference , go deep into the NCAA Tournament, or win a national championship etc etc’”

    You lack credibility when you make false claims or attribute statements made years ago to the current players.

    “...I think we’ll win the conference tournament and we’re going to the NCAA Tournament because the guys we have coming back are older and more mature...”

    NOBODY mentioned a deep NCAA tourney run or even hinted at winning a national championship.

    As far as winning the conference tournament.

    BYU played in the tournament final last season, so you claiming that winning it with a better team this coming season is not nearly as much of a stretch as you claim.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 20, 2018 5:47 p.m.

    Looking forward to a great, perhaps conference championship winning season.

    Go Cougs 🤙🏀

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    May 20, 2018 4:47 p.m.

    “I think it’s going to be the best team that I’ve played on in the last three years by far,” Childs said. “I think we’ll win the conference tournament and we’re going to the NCAA Tournament .

    Thats the BYU that everyone is used to. Nothing but hype. Even after failure after failure they keep coming back and tell us the "they can compete with anyone in the country.". They keep telling us that "this will be the year we win the conference , go deep into the NCAA Tournament, or win a national championship etc etc".

    Gracious. This is an issue of credibility. Stop making these statements until you have proven even partially capable to accomplish these goals/bold declarations.