Deploying analysts should help BYU keep pace in evolving college football landscape

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  • Aztec Nation Westfield, NJ
    May 25, 2018 2:34 p.m.

    With these new analysts, BYU has no excuse to produce another losing season. I do agree though, more cooks in the kitchen doesn't necessarily improve the cuisine.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 21, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    AP/Coaches Rankings – Dec 4, 1984
    #1/#1 BYU (12-0) – SOS #82
    #2/#2 Okla (9-1-1) – SOS #37 – lost to Kansas (5-6), tied Texas (7-4-1)
    #3/#6 Fla (9-1-1) – SOS #5 – Miami (8-4), tied LSU (8-2-1) – no bowl
    #4/#3 Wash (10-1) – SOS #59 – lost to USC (8-3)
    #5/#4 Neb (9-2) – SOS #53 – lost to Syracuse (6-5), lost to Oklahoma (9-1-1)
    #6/#5 Ohio St (9-2) – SOS #56 – lost to Purdue (7-4), lost to Wisconsin (7-3-1)
    #7/#7 So Caro (10-1) – SOS #60 – lost to Navy (4-6-1)
    #8/#8 Boston Col (9-2) – SOS #34 – lost to W VA (8-3), lost to Penn St (6-5)

    "We have as legitimate a claim as anyone. ... I'm sure Nebraska would love to go back and play Syracuse. Oklahoma would love go back and play Kansas, and South Carolina would like to play Navy. We had our Kansases, our Syracuses and our Navies, and this particular group of guys has always come out winners."

    -- LaVell Edwards

    38 of 50 AP voters (76%) and 38 of 44 Coaches (86%) agreed with LaVell that
    BYU EARNED and DESERVED to be 1984 National Champions.

    65 of 65 AP voters (100%) and 61 of 61 Coaches (100%) in 2004 and 49 of 65 AP voters (75%) and 60 of 61 Coaches (98%) in 2008 said that
    Utah DID NOT EARN or DESERVE to be National Champions.

  • CG Provo, UT
    May 21, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    utemythology

    None of your whiny spin or wishful thinking proves anything.

    1984 BYU = Consensus National Champions

    FBS Championship History
    Season | Champion | Selecting Organization
    1983 | Miami | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 | BYU | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1985 | Okla | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    2004 | USC | BCS (vacated)
    2008 | Fla | BCS
    2016 | Clem | CFP

    2004 Utah, 2008 Utah and 2016 Western Michigan = also ran bowl participants

    Enjoy your participation ribbon.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 20, 2018 3:13 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 10:36 p.m.
    utemythology

    “With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we [1984 BYU] wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls.”

    -- Robbie Bosco

    Bosco’s off the cuff remark 20 years after the fact doesn’t prove anything.

    The voters would have ranked BYU #1 with or without BCS rules, because no one was more deserving.

    ---------------

    Your off the cuff "fantasy" doesn't prove anything.

    BYU 1984 = 2016 Western Michigan

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 19, 2018 11:26 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68

    “Have you ever stopped and taken a real look at Michigan's 1984 schedule beyond just looking at their win/loss record? They started the season playing the pre-season. #1 Miami in the Big House and were ranked for the first 5 weeks of the season! Midway through the season ranked teams and injuries caught up with the Wolverines and they limped home finishing the season 6-6!”

    Even bigger picture, Michigan finished #8 in 1983 and #2 in 1985. Quite obviously, Michigan 1984 was loaded with good players and was a much better team than their won/loss record indicates.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    May 19, 2018 9:53 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68

    re: AzUte1: “Have you ever stopped and taken a real look at Michigan's 1984 schedule beyond just looking at their win/loss record? “

    azute1 isn’t interested in facts or having an intelligent discussion.

    That’s why he continues to cut ‘n paste the same drivel from a clueless internet blogger whom he knows has absolutely no credibility.

    The Michigan team that BYU beat in the Holiday Bowl would have destroyed the Pittsburgh team that Utah played in the Fiesta Bowl.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    May 19, 2018 7:52 p.m.

    AzUte1,
    Have you ever stopped and taken a real look at Michigan's 1984 schedule beyond just looking at their win/loss record? They started the season playing the pre-season. #1 Miami in the Big House and were ranked for the first 5 weeks of the season! Midway through the season ranked teams and injuries caught up with the Wolverines and they limped home finishing the season 6-6! The Big 10 was not as bad as you say and much stronger then the WAC!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 19, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    azute1

    BYU is the ONLY team in history to be ranked #1 in both major polls at the end of the regular season and have TWO Top 5 teams - #3/#4 Washington and #4/#5 Nebraska - turn down invitations to play them in a national championship game.

    Washington and Nebraska were both given opportunities to prove that they were better than BYU, but both chose to play lower ranked teams instead.

    bottom line:

    1984 BYU (SOS #82) - 38 of 50 Sports Writers (76%) and 38 of 44 Head Coaches (86%) said that BYU EARNED and DESERVED to be 1984 National Champions.

    2004 Utah (SOS #70) - 65 of 65 Sports Writers (100%) and 61 of 61 Head Coaches (100%) said that Utah DID NOT EARN or DESERVE to be 2004 National Champions.

    2008 Utah (SOS #80) - 49 of 65 Sports Writers (75%) and 60 of 61 Head Coaches (98%) said that Utah DID NOT EARN or DESERVE to be 2008 National Champions.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 19, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    “Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have produced some terrific seasons for Little Big Teams in the 21st century, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other Little Big Teams even got a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.

    Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way, too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called ‘national champion’ that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956)....No, AF didn’t finish the year ranked.

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 total D-1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called ‘national champion’.

    How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games.

    The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.“

    GO UTES!

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 19, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    @jealous little brothers

    AP / Coaches Poll Rankings – December 4th, 1984
    #1/#1 BYU (12-0) – SOS #82 – undefeated and untied
    #2/#2 Oklahoma (9-1-1) – SOS #37 – lost to Kansas (5-6), tied Texas (7-4-1)
    #3/#6 Florida (9-1-1) – SOS #5 – Miami (8-4), tied LSU (8-2-1) – ineligible for a bowl
    #4/#3 Washington (10-1) – SOS #59 – lost to USC (8-3)
    #5/#4 Nebraska (9-2) – SOS #53 – lost to Syracuse (6-5), lost to Oklahoma (9-1-1)
    #6/#5 Ohio St (9-2) – SOS #56 – lost to Purdue (7-4), lost to Wisconsin (7-3-1)
    #7/#7 So Caro (10-1) – SOS #60 – lost to Navy (4-6-1)
    #8/#8 Boston Col (9-2) – SOS #34 – lost to W VA (8-3), lost to Penn St (6-5)

    "We have as legitimate a claim as anyone. ... I'm sure Nebraska would love to go back and play Syracuse. Oklahoma would love go back and play Kansas, and South Carolina would like to play Navy. We had our Kansases, our Syracuses and our Navies, and this particular group of guys has always come out winners."

    -- LaVell Edwards

    SI missed basic facts:

    "In 1984, it took 13 weeks for BYU to reach No. 1."

    BYU ranked #1 Nov 20th in Week 12

    "...two weeks after rising to No. 1 the Cougars beat a 6-5 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl."

    BYU beat Michigan Dec 21st

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 10:36 p.m.

    utemythology

    “With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we [1984 BYU] wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls.”

    -- Robbie Bosco

    Bosco’s off the cuff remark 20 years after the fact doesn’t prove anything.

    The voters would have ranked BYU #1 with or without BCS rules, because no one was more deserving.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 9:37 p.m.

    @BYU "fans" at the little kids table

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we [1984 BYU] wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls."

    -- Robbie Bosco

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 18, 2018 9:19 p.m.

    @BlueCoug ,

    A winner once made this comment--"champions run alone".

    IMO--too much input is not healthy.

    Trust your coaches!

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 18, 2018 1:52 p.m.

    Uteology, I think it's about time to get back to using that computer science degree from the Univeristy of Utah. I'm sure that there's a productive way you can use it. I'm just sure of it.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 18, 2018 1:43 p.m.

    FACTchequer

    "BYU is the ONLY team in history to be ranked #1 in both major polls and have TWO Top 5 teams - #3/#4 Washington and #4/#5 Nebraska - turn down invitations to play them in a national championship game."

    Besides BYU winning the Consensus 1984 National Championship, that's the real headline.

    If the BCS had been in place in 1984, another Top 5 team would have been required to play BYU in the BCS championship game.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    utemythology

    "BYU is the ONLY team in history to win a NC by beating cupcakes..."

    BYU beat a better team on the road in 1984, than Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl in 2004.

    BYU is the ONLY team in history to be ranked #1 in both major polls and have TWO Top 5 teams - #3/#4 Washington and #4/#5 Nebraska - turn down invitations to play them in a national championship game.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2018 1:13 p.m.

    blue n gold

    2008 Utah - 49 of 65 Sports Writers (75%) and 60 of 61 Head Coaches (98%) said that Utah DID NOT EARN or DESERVE to be 2008 National Champions.

    Yet, Utah threw themselves a parade for finishing 2nd.

    No. two is a thing at the U.

    Won the 2nd rate tournament of the day after getting bounced out of the premier tournament in 1944.

    Finished 2nd in their best basketball season ever in 1998.

    Finished a distant 2nd in one poll in their best football season ever in 2008.

    And, not surprisingly, rated the 2nd most rival-obsessed fan base in the country.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 18, 2018 1:04 p.m.

    If you can't come to grips with the fact that BYU did indeed win an NC in 1984, then you need some professional help.

    There are some truths to arguments, BYU beat "bo diddly tech" to be #1, which was unranked Utah, meanwhile in 2008 Utah's final game was an impressive win over ranked BYU - is it BYU's fault that Utah was a nobody? Sort of how things work out.

    I agree that there were a lot of cupcakes.

    I agree that we didn't play Washington in the bowl game - they got offered and choose another game, and game 3 of the following season after dropping a game to UCLA BYU beat Washington 31-3 in Provo.

    I agree that the system was set up after BYU's win to go against teams like BYU - however BYU did what no other cinderalla since has done by making back to back statements with wins. Utah would have seen different results in 2009 had they not lost to Oregon, TCU and BYU. BYU racked up 25 wins in a row, Utah didn't.

    So there are a lot of things that sort of aligned for BYU.

    However, facts are facts - BYU won the NC in 1984, and that still stands. Arguing about it all these year later is pretty pointless.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 18, 2018 1:01 p.m.

    @Aunty Mythology: "btw, you can stop with pretending that BYU 1984 was the ONLY team in history that moved up in the polls solely because other teams above them lost."

    @utemythology: "BYU...." blah, blah, blah

    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a reasonable rebuttal to Aunty Mythology's statement.

    As far as your bogus national championship claims go...

    1984 BYU - 38 of 50 Sports Writers (76%) and 38 of 44 Head Coaches (86%) said that BYU EARNED and DESERVED to be 1984 National Champions.

    2004 Utah - 65 of 65 Sports Writers (100%) and 61 of 61 Head Coaches (100%) said that Utah DID NOT EARN or DESERVE to be 2004 National Champions.

    2008 Utah - 49 of 65 Sports Writers (75%) and 60 of 61 Head Coaches (98%) said that Utah DID NOT EARN or DESERVE to be 2008 National Champions.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 12:41 p.m.

    mythology

    “Your HC and his entire staff saw the cracks in your foundation...”

    yawn

    Bronco had said from day one that he didn’t intend to stay at BYU forever. Taking most of his staff with him is common practice and doesn’t prove anything.

    BYU was 9-4 the following season, with all 4 losses by a total of 8 points.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 12:29 p.m.

    utemythology

    “2004 Utah earned a BCS game by beating #23 Texas A&M...”

    Utah beat a Texas A&M team that finished 7-5 and unranked.

    BYU won 24 straight games, including three road games against Top 25 teams, including Rose Bowl champion UCLA, to earn the #1 votes of the majority of AP and Coaches voters in 1984.

    Utah was never even a factor in the NC race in 2004 or 2008.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2018 12:16 p.m.

    Lone*Star,
    Your HC and his entire staff saw the cracks in your foundation and not even your dusty Legacy Hall of Fame could keep them from running away and never looking back.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    May 18, 2018 11:57 a.m.

    re: backpacn - "Why didn't we hear the same hysteria from U and your buddies when Utah had back-to-back losing seasons in 2012 and 2013?"

    re: utemythology - "We didn't get punked by Utah State, ECU, and UMass"

    U lost to Utah State, USC (7-6), Washington (7-6), Oregon St (7-6), and WSU (6-7), and barely beat Colorado (1-11), Colorado (4-8) and Utah State 30-26 at home.

    btw, what's your lame excuse for barely qualifying for a bowl in 2017, after finally getting an entire roster full of "PAC 12 talent"?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 11:56 a.m.

    @Aunty

    btw, you can stop with pretending that BYU 1984 was the ONLY team in history that moved up in the polls solely because other teams above them lost.

    Utah, which wasn't ranked in either pre-season poll in 2004 or 2008, would never have been ranked if all of the teams above them had remained undefeated.

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    BYU is the ONLY team in history to win a NC by beating cupcakes while teams around them lost.

    2004 Utah earned a BCS game by beating #23 Texas A&M to BCS #6 auto qualify, they humiliated #18 Pitt to prove they earned it. Just like the 1996 BYU team beating #22 Wyoming to a major bowl then beating #14 Kansas State to prove they earned it.

    2008 Utah beat 3 ranked teams to earn 2nd BCS game to BCS #6 auto qualify, they humiliated #4 Bama to prove they earned it.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 11:46 a.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 18, 2018 11:09 a.m.
    utemythology

    "No, your confusing 1984 with CFP.

    Under CFP standards, you have beat out 20 teams to "earn" the right to be in the playoffs. The 1984 model, you would simple beat a tons of cupcakes and wait for teams around you lost."

    NOPE!

    You're once again confusing your own personal spin with reality.

    Under CFP standards, you have to finish in the top 5 or 6 in the final CFP standings in order to be considered for a berth.

    BYU, which earned the #1 ranking in both major polls, would have been a lock to finish in the top 4. No team since the beginning of the BCS, has ever been ranked #1 in both major polls and not finished in the top 4 of the BCS or CFP standings.

    -------------

    Wrong! No one agrees with your fantasy. In the BCS/CFP era, no-mid major feasting on cupcakes has been ever been ranked in the top 5 in any major poll.

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -- Robbie Bosco

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 11:43 a.m.

    utemythology

    "your RB doesn't play defense and your offense was motivated and well rested enough to score 45 points and over 600 total yards even without its star RB."

    Having the best RB in the country would have given BYU a better chance of controlling time of possession to give a fatigued defense time rest from chasing a very good, and very well rested, run and shoot offense.

    Discounting all of the factors involved in BYU's loss to Hawaii, simply demonstrates how clueless you are about the game of football.

    BYU was still missing their Doak Walker Award winner against a very good Louisville team playing only a short drive from home.

    Since you've never had the best RB or QB in the country, you couldn't possibly understand the impact of losing the best player in the country at a key position on your team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 11:37 a.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 11:22 a.m.
    ekute

    "I'll take what we have on the field over what you have in the closet."

    What you have on the field will never give U what BYU already has in their Legacy Hall of Fame.

    -------------

    What you have on the field, currently sits 5th place in the state.

    What you have in your Legacy Hall of Fame closet, won't help you pass Utah State.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 11:33 a.m.

    backpacn - Sandy, UT
    May 18, 2018 10:37 a.m.
    ekute

    @Marked it Down: "Your foundation is crumbling. Your program is on the ropes."

    LOL at the Ute hysteria over BYU's first losing season since 2004.

    Why didn't we hear the same hysteria from U and your buddies when Utah had back-to-back losing seasons in 2012 and 2013?

    -----------------

    A) We didn't get punked by Utah State, ECU, and UMass at home, in fact we haven't lost to such teams since 2007

    B) We were playing with MWC talent in a P5 league, our depth was growing (Utah beat #5 Stanford), our class rankings rising (BYU #93 class ranking)

    C) Utah #61 to #34 SOS #41 to #3 (BYU #112 SOS #74)

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 11:22 a.m.

    ekute

    "I'll take what we have on the field over what you have in the closet."

    What you have on the field will never give U what BYU already has in their Legacy Hall of Fame.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 18, 2018 11:19 a.m.

    worf

    @BlueCoug: "You don't see where analytics hasn't work out."

    I never said that analytics was some magic formula for success.

    It's simply another tool in the tool bag for analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of your team and your opponents.

    Used wisely, it could be the difference in giving a team the slight edge needed to change the outcome of a couple of games from losses to wins, and in the process, change the outcome of an entire season from mediocre to very good.

    As you said, Alabama would have been successful even without analytics, but would the Crimson Tide have won the 2017 National Championship?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2018 11:12 a.m.

    backpacn,
    Your program is ranked in the 90's...as is your qb...and your coach...and his recruiting results.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 11:11 a.m.

    Chamberlain - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2018 10:50 a.m.
    ekute

    You should spend more time worrying about how the Utes are going to win their first division title,

    and less time worrying about how BYU is going to recover from a brief hiccup.

    Meanwhile, I'll take BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame over Utah's closet of got nuthin' anyday.

    -----------

    You should worry less about our legacy and worry more about Utah State.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 18, 2018 11:09 a.m.

    utemythology

    "No, your confusing 1984 with CFP.

    Under CFP standards, you have beat out 20 teams to "earn" the right to be in the playoffs. The 1984 model, you would simple beat a tons of cupcakes and wait for teams around you lost."

    NOPE!

    You're once again confusing your own personal spin with reality.

    Under CFP standards, you have to finish in the top 5 or 6 in the final CFP standings in order to be considered for a berth.

    BYU, which earned the #1 ranking in both major polls, would have been a lock to finish in the top 4. No team since the beginning of the BCS, has ever been ranked #1 in both major polls and not finished in the top 4 of the BCS or CFP standings.

    Utah 2004 and Utah 2008 would have been marginal, at best.

    Western Michigan and Utah 2014 to 2016 weren't even close.

    btw, you can stop with pretending that BYU 1984 was the ONLY team in history that moved up in the polls solely because other teams above them lost.

    Utah, which wasn't ranked in either pre-season poll in 2004 or 2008, would never have been ranked if all of the teams above them had remained undefeated.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 11:04 a.m.

    anti BCS - Anaheim, CA
    May 18, 2018 9:24 a.m.
    utemythology

    "BCS denies Cougars; BYU headed to Liberty"

    It was that denial (of a 12-0 BYU team) that lead to changes in the BCS that made it possible for Utah to get a BCS invite after beating only three teams with winning records in 2004.

    ----------

    What do you want, a thank you trophy?

    After 2004, Utah helped lower the auto qualification from BCS #6 to BCS #12 for mid-majors.

    The new #12 rule was still too high of a standard for BYU since you NEVER finished higher than BCS #14.

    Whiny little excuses, as I have told you over and over your RB doesn't play defense and your offense was motivated and well rested enough to score 45 points and over 600 total yards even without its star RB.

    Plus, #16 BYU got exposed by #23 Louisville in the bowl. Your best win was a 3 point with at home to Utah, 4 point win at 6-5 New Mexico was your best road win.

    Which is why at 12-0 BYU was ranked BCS #12, in the final week you dropped out of the BCS polls after being proven as a fraud.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2018 11:03 a.m.

    Chamberlain,
    I'll take what we have on the field over what you have in the closet.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 18, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    @BlueCoug,

    You don't see where analytics hasn't work out. Alabama would have been successful without them anyway.

    IMO, you can have too many point of views and it dulls your focus.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2018 10:50 a.m.

    ekute

    You should spend more time worrying about how the Utes are going to win their first division title,

    and less time worrying about how BYU is going to recover from a brief hiccup.

    Meanwhile, I'll take BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame over Utah's closet of got nuthin' anyday.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 18, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    ondon_josh - Lincoln, CA
    May 17, 2018 11:35 p.m.
    Uteology,

    what exactly is a BCS resume?

    Do you update it each year and carry a bunch of copies of it around?

    Does it hold Chris Hill's contact information up top, at least until it's updated.

    Does it note that the BCS is no longer "a thing" and that you also have CFP credentials, and do those credential accurately note that if about 20 teams turned down the playoff offers that you would be in the playoffs?

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    No, your confusing 1984 with CFP.

    Under CFP standards, you have beat out 20 teams to "earn" the right to be in the playoffs. The 1984 model, you would simple beat a tons of cupcakes and wait for teams around you lost.

    1984 BYU = CFP Western Michigan

    You really have a hard time keeping up with a conversation. I clearly responded to a 2008 post, there was no CFP during that period.

    I can see why BYU fans are having a hard time understanding a BCS resume, considering they never sniffed a BCS bowl yet 50,000 were Questing for a national championship in 2008. Priceless!

    No wonder why you still sit at the little kids table.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 18, 2018 10:37 a.m.

    ekute

    @Marked it Down: "Your foundation is crumbling. Your program is on the ropes."

    LOL at the Ute hysteria over BYU's first losing season since 2004.

    Why didn't we hear the same hysteria from U and your buddies when Utah had back-to-back losing seasons in 2012 and 2013?

    BYU was a mere 8 points shy of an undefeated season in 2016.

    Let's not forget that the Utes could have easily finished 4-8 with their 3rd losing season in 6 years in 2017. Your 6-point wins versus BYU and Arizona games could have very easily been 1-point losses, with a single play in each game.

    The outcome of two plays in an entire season was the difference between Utah being the only PAC 12 team to win a bowl game and Utah having a foundation that is crumbling and a program that is on the ropes.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    Marked it Down,

    Your foundation is crumbling.

    Your program is on the ropes.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 18, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    ekute

    "Your list is wrinkled and faded..."

    Says the jealous Ute fan looking up from the hill at the twin pinnacles of team and individual achievement in major college football:

    The Crystal Football National Championship Trophy
    and
    The Heisman Trophy

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 18, 2018 9:39 a.m.

    ekute

    @deductive reasoning: Your list is wrinkled and faded..."a relic of the past that seemed revolutionary at the time, but became synonymous with abject failure".

    LOL

    You're confusing legacy achievements (23 awards)...

    1984 - National Championships (best team) - BYU 1, Utah 0
    1990 - Heisman Trophies (best player) - BYU 1, Utah 0
    1974 to 1996 - Nat'l HOF Players - BYU 6, Utah 0
    1990 - Maxwell Awards (best athlete) - BYU 1, Utah 0
    1981 to 1991 - Davey O'Brien Awards (best QB) - BYU 4, Utah 0
    1974 to 1996 - Sammy Baugh Trophies (best passer) - BYU 7, Utah 0
    1986 to 1989 - Outland Trophies (best interior lineman) - BYU 2, Utah 0
    2001 - Doak Walker Awards (best RB) - BYU 1, Utah 0

    with abject failure (0 awards).

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 18, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    utemythology

    "BCS denies Cougars; BYU headed to Liberty"

    It was that denial (of a 12-0 BYU team) that lead to changes in the BCS that made it possible for Utah to get a BCS invite after beating only three teams with winning records in 2004.

    The BYU-Hawaii game was Hawaii's bowl game and it came against a team that had just lost the best RB in the country, a team that had to travel nearly 6000 miles in less than a week to face a well-rested team on their home turf that was coming off a bye, and a team that was dealing with the emotional let down of being told just before the game that they had already been eliminated for BCS bowl consideration.

    To ignore all of those factors is either disingenuous or shows that you are completely clueless about the true history of that game.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2018 9:22 a.m.

    deductive reasoning,
    Your list is wrinkled and faded..."a relic of the past that seemed revolutionary at the time, but became synonymous with abject failure".

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 18, 2018 9:00 a.m.

    ekute

    National Championships (best team) - BYU 1, Utah 0
    Heisman Trophies (best player) - BYU 1, Utah 0
    Nat'l HOF Players - BYU 6, Utah 0
    Maxwell Awards (best athlete) - BYU 1, Utah 0
    Davey O'Brien Awards (best QB) - BYU 4, Utah 0
    Sammy Baugh Trophies (best passer) - BYU 7, Utah 0
    Outland Trophies (best interior lineman) - BYU 2, Utah 0
    Doak Walker Awards (best RB) - BYU 1, Utah 0

    When you strip away all of the Ute fan spin and hyperbole, it's quite obvious

    - which program's got a whole lot of something going on

    and

    - which program's got nothin'

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    ekute

    "BYU football's current status, ratings and rankings, including it's HC, is telling as to who's..."got nothin’!"."

    Utah football's current status of zero division titles, zero conference championships, zero CFP berths, four 5th-place division finishes, two (almost three) losing, bowl less seasons, and being the ONLY team in the PAC 12 South that hasn't played in the CCG speaks volumes about who's "got nothin'".

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2018 8:28 a.m.

    byu football's current status, ratings and rankings, including it's HC, is telling as to who's..."got nothin’!".

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    May 18, 2018 8:25 a.m.

    london_josh

    @UteoMYTHlogy: "what exactly is a BCS resume?"

    It's the resume used for applying for jobs like the president of Edsel -a relic of the past that seemed revolutionary at the time, but became synonymous with abject failure.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 18, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    london_josh

    "what exactly is a BCS resume?"

    It's the resume U put together when you're applying for something less that the top position.

    A National Championship resume looks like this:

    1984 BYU - 38 of 50 Sports Writers (76%) and 38 of 44 Head Coaches (86%) said that BYU earned and deserved to be 1984 National Champions.

    A BCS resume looks like this:

    2004 Utah - 65 of 65 Sports Writers (100%) and 61 of 61 Head Coaches (100%) said that Utah did not earn or deserve to be 2004 National Champions.

    2008 Utah - 49 of 65 Sports Writers (75%) and 60 of 61 Head Coaches (98%) said that Utah did not earn or deserve to be 2008 National Champions.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 18, 2018 7:56 a.m.

    utemythology

    "You didn't even sniff a BCS bowl (i.e. 2004 Utes) but you were going to play in 2008 BCS NC game by going 12-0?"

    Why not?

    In 2006 and 2007 BYU finished in the Top 15 with 11-2 records, and finished in the BCS Top 20 with 10-2 records, so moving into the Top 5 with an undefeated 2008 season was not an unreasonable goal. Utah 2003 finished #22 in the BCS with a 9-2 record.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 18, 2018 6:39 a.m.

    utemythology

    “You guys make my head hurt.

    Post your BCS resume, otherwise slowly back away to the little kids table.”

    yawn

    You little big men make me laugh.

    Unless you can post a National Championship history, you’ve got nothin’!

    Go Cougs 🤙🏈

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 17, 2018 11:35 p.m.

    Uteology,

    what exactly is a BCS resume?

    Do you update it each year and carry a bunch of copies of it around?

    Does it hold Chris Hill's contact information up top, at least until it's updated.

    Does it note that the BCS is no longer "a thing" and that you also have CFP credentials, and do those credential accurately note that if about 20 teams turned down the playoff offers that you would be in the playoffs?

    I'm sure that it does list your Utah Computer Science degree, what BCS resume would be complete without that?

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    May 17, 2018 8:54 p.m.

    "Analysts can be used as a hybrid, something akin to a quality control coach, kind of like a graduate assistant or administrative assistant. They can break down film, make cutouts of plays, and develop computerized data that show tendencies."

    I'm from the old school... Just wondering what kind of film they use. They still use the term "film", but that was outdated years ago. They don't use film and they don't use tape anymore. It's all gone "digital" now, so film is outdated. They can breakdown the video and the recordings, but they can't breakdown film. Just sayin'.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 5:48 p.m.

    @Aunty

    Utah 2004, with its first ranked team in 10 years in 2003, and Utah 2008, with three consecutive unranked seasons from 2005 to 2007, never even considered the possibility of winning a national championship.

    -----

    You guys make my head hurt.

    Post your BCS resume, otherwise slowly back away to the little kids table.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 5:39 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 17, 2018 11:35 a.m.
    utemythology

    "Let's not forget, it was BYU fans that printed 50,000 Quest t-shirts for what Utah did TWICE."

    NOPE!

    After back-to-back 11-2, Top 15, conference championship winning seasons, BYU simply set a goal (embarked on a quest) to repeat what BYU had already done, and what Utah has never done, win another National Championship.

    -----

    LOL

    You didn't even sniff a BCS bowl (i.e. 2004 Utes) but you were going to play in 2008 BCS NC game by going 12-0?

    LOL

    Did you forget what happened in 2001 when you were 12-0, before being humilated as being a BCS fraud by Hawaii? Here let me remind you:

    BCS denies Cougars; BYU headed to Liberty

    12-9 BYU 45
    8-3 Hawaii 72

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 5:21 p.m.

    Jello is Good - ,
    May 17, 2018 12:03 p.m.
    @kaysvillecougar - KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 17, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    "Uteology, we're all facinated what you do for "work" that this analyst job would be a pay cut."

    I think he is confused thinking BYU would pay less than shift manager at the sno-cone shack.

    -----

    You have me cofused with Max Hall

    Unlike Max, I earned my computer science degree from the University of Utah.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    May 17, 2018 3:33 p.m.

    Breaking news:

    Utah deploying many much more analysts to keep pace with BYU in the evolving college football landscape.

  • Howard S. West Jordan, UT
    May 17, 2018 2:49 p.m.

    Two weeks ago Dick told us about the motto (The Grind) our boys have embraced as a symbol of their honor, integrity and commitment.

    This week we learn of a 4 star QB... a young man of uncommon honor, integrity and commitment... who has rejected the P5 and its false glory to announce his pledge to join our beloved Cougars on the field of true football greatness.

    And now it is reported that analysts will be added to the Cougar program to further advance the mission and true greatness of BYU football.

    The pieces are inevitably falling in place my Cougar friends... the die has been set and it will not be long before the eyes of college football... indeed the eyes of all the world... will be steadfastly affixed on our beloved BYU football Cougars.

    BYU fans, friends and foes across the globe will endorse the rightful status of our Cougars as the gold standard of honor, integrity, commitment... and true football greatness.

    Its only a matter if time...

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 17, 2018 12:03 p.m.

    @kaysvillecougar - KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 17, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    "Uteology, we're all facinated what you do for "work" that this analyst job would be a pay cut."

    I think he is confused thinking BYU would pay less than shift manager at the sno-cone shack.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 17, 2018 11:45 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Try keeping up. I have clearly said domination is MORE than just beating the cupcake down south."

    Don't kid yourself with your faux domination.

    If you were really "dominating" a cupcake, the majority of your wins would be blowouts, rather than the 1- to 7-point heart-stoppers that you've been winning lately.

    You didn't storm the field three times for one win because you were dominating.

    If you want to see what real domination looks like, see 1972 to 1992.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 17, 2018 11:35 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Let's not forget, it was BYU fans that printed 50,000 Quest t-shirts for what Utah did TWICE."

    NOPE!

    After back-to-back 11-2, Top 15, conference championship winning seasons, BYU simply set a goal (embarked on a quest) to repeat what BYU had already done, and what Utah has never done, win another National Championship.

    Utah 2004, with its first ranked team in 10 years in 2003, and Utah 2008, with three consecutive unranked seasons from 2005 to 2007, never even considered the possibility of winning a national championship.

    btw, BYU, within the team, also had the same goal entering the 1984 season.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 17, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    BYU lost at home to UMass last year - so our talks about an NY6 are ridiculously out of place right now.

    A big bowl game isn't going to happen this year - be realistic about things, bowling is good news, it's a tough schedule to win against. We start against Arizona, Cal, Wisconsin, Washington, and play Boise and Utah. In other words we need to go perfect against the normal competition or pick off a big team to even go bowling.

    So any talk of "we deserve better in January" is unfortunately unmerited at this point in time.

    Part of the reason that we left the MWC was because our bowl game wins were split with all of the other teams.

    ESPN is consistent - in a good year it's good, in a bad year it's good too. BYU can't stumble in the MWC, we were all but forgotten after the Crowton years, but with ESPN, it's consistent coverage and money.

    For an NY6 game, we need to beat some big teams, in the MWC you play little teams to get a shot at playing some big teams if you win big - we're already playing those big teams.

    I bleed blue, but going back to the MWC could turn my blood red - bad move, stay with what we have and win!

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    May 17, 2018 10:53 a.m.

    Uteology,
    Wouldn't matter if you beat us 300-0, it still would not get you a South division title or Jan. 1 bowl or CFP playoff appearance! Last year won't happen again this year! We have much better and more experienced coaches and players!

    Go Cougs
    Built not born
    R. O. C.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    May 17, 2018 10:37 a.m.

    Uteology: "Maybe one of the four analysts can come up with a plan to help BYU "fans" cope with reality?"

    That, is funny!

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 17, 2018 10:32 a.m.

    17 comments from Ute snarksters, 11 from Utah fans. It's nice to see that you've moved on, kids.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 17, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    I agree with London_Josh. We need to hire some of the Ute snarksters. They seem to have plenty of extra time. Uteology, we're all facinated what you do for "work" that this analyst job would be a pay cut. You're time on all things BYU could be a great asset to us. . . . maybe.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 17, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    I'm with ConradGurch. This Indie gig is a disaster. BSU will start the season as the top-ranked G-5 team in the top 25. If they maintain that ranking and win the MWC - they will be playing in a NYC-6 game. Their road to that game is relatively easy. That could and should be BYU.

    As far as Analysts go - if they help with player development - cool. Player development is where BYU has been sorely lacking.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    @Aunty - Alternate Universe, CA
    utemythology

    "Victory laps for margin of defeats, only in the bubble down south."

    Laughably false claims of "domination" for 1-point wins, only under that crimson bubble on the hill.

    The only separation you've shown head-to-head is that you've been very good at winning a bunch of extremely close games lately.

    Let's not forget, it was Utah fans who stormed the field THREE times, for one win.

    -------------

    Let's not forget, it was BYU fans that printed 50,000 Quest t-shirts for what Utah did TWICE.

    Try keeping up. I have clearly said domination is MORE than just beating the cupcake down south. It's includes AP/CFP rankings and major wins.

    Here's the separation Utah has shown nationally: Utah #35 BYU #112 (5th in state)

    Now apologize before you go back to the kids table and cry.

  • IdahoCoog Malad City, ID
    May 17, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    Wow, the trolls are out in force.... BYU living in their heads and giving determination to their life.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 17, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Victory laps for margin of defeats, only in the bubble down south."

    Laughably false claims of "domination" for 1-point wins, only under that crimson bubble on the hill.

    The only separation you've shown head-to-head is that you've been very good at winning a bunch of extremely close games lately.

    Let's not forget, it was Utah fans who stormed the field THREE times, for one win.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    May 17, 2018 8:09 a.m.
    utemythology

    Despite the "vast difference" in talent since Utah joined the PAC 12, the Utes have only been slightly better than BYU on the field, where it counts - 6 of the 7 wins in Utah's current win streak have been by a touchdown or less, only a 6-point spread in 2017 with BYU having its worst team in 50 years.

    -------------

    Victory laps for margin of defeats, only in the bubble down south.

    BYU is 0-7 vs Utah.

    Utah is 2-5 vs USC.

    Using BYU "fans" delusional logic, USC is only "slightly" better than Utah!

    Maybe one of the four analysts can come up with a plan to help BYU "fans" cope with reality?

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 17, 2018 9:27 a.m.

    ConradGurch

    "BYU football will continue a down hill slide with independence. They need to get into a league! They really don't have anything to play for. A Jan 1 bowl game is like shooting for the stars. Things will never change because the church likes the money the ESPN contract brings in. Until they care more about winning/losing and less about money things will never change."

    If BYU only cared about money, they wouldn't be scheduling games all across the country.

    ESPN isn't just about the money; it's about television coverage of BYU games nationwide, for a national fan base.

    I'd much rather be playing teams like Nebraska, Michigan State, Wisconsin, LSU and Tennessee, than a constant stream of teams like Wyoming and New Mexico, which is what you'd get if BYU returned to the MWC.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 8:33 a.m.

    BYU football will continue a down hill slide with independence. They need to get into a league! They really don't have anything to play for. A Jan 1 bowl game is like shooting for the stars. Things will never change because the church likes the money the ESPN contract brings in. Until they care more about winning/losing and less about money things will never change.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 8:24 a.m.

    BlueHusky - Mission Viejo, CA
    May 17, 2018 5:24 a.m.
    @Utah fanboys - wake me up when Utah actually wins a division

    ---

    Believe me, you will be "woke" when we take your Team A to the woodshed.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 17, 2018 8:13 a.m.

    worf

    "Bad idea. Analysts will just cause contention because they're not a part of the coaching staff and won't have a realistic view of things."

    Tell that to Alabama, which basically has an analyst assigned to every full-time assistant coach.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 17, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    utemythology

    Despite the "vast difference" in talent since Utah joined the PAC 12, the Utes have only been slightly better than BYU on the field, where it counts - 6 of the 7 wins in Utah's current win streak have been by a touchdown or less, only a 6-point spread in 2017 with BYU having its worst team in 50 years.

    Either Utah is poorly coached and is wasting a lot of talent, or BYU is better coached and is boxing way above its weight.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    May 17, 2018 5:24 a.m.

    @Utah fanboys - wake me up when Utah actually wins a division

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 4:02 a.m.

    @london

    that being said, the idea that BYU averages 2 stars isn't really accurate. The difference between 2 and 3 is 33%, the difference between BYU and Utah is more like 9%.

    ----

    2018: Washinton 3.52, Utah 3.05, BYU 2.14... W vs U16%, U vs Y 40%

    2017: 3.33, 3.15, 2.32... 18% 36%

    2016: 3.11, 2.82, 2.58... 10% 12%

    The difference between Washington and Utah talent: 15%

    Utah vs BYU talent: 29%

    Source: Sagarin

    Utah's strategy over the last two years has been to wait for talent, it has resulted in a higher level of talent. Two years isn't a trend but a good start.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 17, 2018 12:01 a.m.

    “I'm curious to know which year BYU actually has an average that rounds down to 2 with Utah at 3 - it's not that big of a gap.“

    Just this most recent recruiting class/Rivals had our avg star rating @ 3.05 & byu-p’s @ 2.14.

    And anybody quoting total pts has zero understanding of how recruiting tallies relate to sheer # of commits/school.

    We’re light-yrs ahead of byu-p in recruiting & on the field in the W/L column—It’s cute watching byu-p fans make a vain attempt to spin 7 straight & counting, 12/15, 17/25 & the insurmountable overall record, 60-34-4.

    Oh yeah, they’ve become Moral Victory U, as they applaud/celebrate margin of defeat against Big Brother—Lololololol

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 16, 2018 10:53 p.m.

    @KimmyP - Grantsville, UT
    May 16, 2018 7:16 p.m.
    Josh London says "the difference between Utah and byu is more like 9%"... Actually, it is exactly like 7-0. 😂

    ------

    It's worse than that:

    * AP Top 25: 3-0

    * CFP: 16-0

    * AP Top 25 P5 wins: 6-0

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 16, 2018 10:18 p.m.

    Bad idea. Analysts will just cause contention because they're not a part of the coaching staff and won't have a realistic view of things.

    Difficult to focus with too many point of views and philosophies.

    Trust your coaches!!

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 16, 2018 7:16 p.m.

    Josh London says "the difference between Utah and byu is more like 9%"... Actually, it is exactly like 7-0. 😂

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2018 6:21 p.m.

    .... and yet with all the wonderful coaches, facilities, recruiting, analytics, stadium, national following, brand etc etc etc we managed to finish 4-9.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 16, 2018 5:48 p.m.

    london_josh - Lincoln, CA
    May 16, 2018 2:10 p.m.
    If they are meant to be critics, let's use Uteology, Who am I, AzUte and Chris.

    they are spinning it anyway, why not pay them for their efforts?

    ------------

    No thanks, I would have to take a paycut at BYU.

    Here's some pro bono analysis:

    BYU will never have the talent and depth to compete against 3-6 P5 teams each year. They should swallow their pride and ask the MWC to rejoin the conference.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 16, 2018 5:28 p.m.

    BYU starts high, and Utah finishes better.

    I'm curious to know which year BYU actually has an average that rounds down to 2 with Utah at 3 - it's not that big of a gap.

    2015 Utah gets rated with 574.4 points and BYU got 521.4 points
    2016 Utah gets rated with 580 points, BYU got 529 points
    2017 Utah got 631 to BYU's 576

    Utah does wind up with better numbers. And they fain to put themselves up with USC, who has a score of 930 +/- 6 each of those years.

    Boise State is a clear example that you don't need to be the top school to win a lot of games.

    BYU's numbers aren't so ugly, they are below Utah, but that's not the meaningful factor - it's not so far off from Utah that we should pretend that it's a massive issue. BYU needs to win with our players.

    Considering that BYU's got a significantly higher academic standard and the honor code, the fact that it's comparable to Utah is a big win - but in the end it's meaningless.

    that being said, the idea that BYU averages 2 stars isn't really accurate. The difference between 2 and 3 is 33%, the difference between BYU and Utah is more like 9%.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 16, 2018 4:25 p.m.

    land of oz:

    "BYU's 2019 recruiting class is currently listed #30 with an average Rating: 0.8454.....Utah's 2019 recruiting class is currently listed #91 with an average Rating: 0.8099"

    So what's your point? That when all the ink dries on the paper by the time Nat'l Letter of Intent day had come and gone, that the indy-WACers' recruiting class would be ranked higher than Utah's? Or that the majority of your 2019 recruiting class WON'T be a buffet of "2-star" talent?

    Because I'm flat out saying that your class will be ranked LOWER than Utah's, and that your class WILL be a "2-star" bonanza. I can state that with the utmost authority, and will NOT be proven wrong.

    If you can't state otherwise, then all you've got is spin. And that's so midmajory.

    Midmajors forever.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    May 16, 2018 4:23 p.m.

    It shouldn’t take too much analysis to determine that BYU needs some playmakers on the field.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    May 16, 2018 4:20 p.m.

    land of oz

    "BYU's 2019 recruiting class is currently listed #30 with an average Rating: 0.8454
    Utah's 2019 recruiting class is currently listed #91 with an average Rating: 0.8099"

    That is totally worthless information and you know it. BYU always starts high and ends up from #60 to #80.

  • land of oz Redmond, WA
    May 16, 2018 3:58 p.m.

    cjd1

    "When you average 2 star players on your team..."

    BYU's 2019 recruiting class is currently listed #30 with an average Rating: 0.8454
    Utah's 2019 recruiting class is currently listed #91 with an average Rating: 0.8099

    source: 247 Sports

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 16, 2018 3:56 p.m.

    This is were a guy like Ty Detmer would shine!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 16, 2018 3:10 p.m.

    They need better coaches and athletes. When do I get my check?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 16, 2018 2:40 p.m.

    "Dick Harmon: Deploying analysts should help BYU keep pace in evolving college football landscape"

    News flash, Dick: Every other college football team in the country hired analysts long ago.

    How does it help to "keep pace" when you're already miles behind the rest of the pack? Wouldn't you have to go faster than everyone else to catch up?

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    May 16, 2018 2:19 p.m.

    When you average 2 star players on your team you can add 20 analysts and it will not make any improvement at all. Nuff said.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 16, 2018 2:10 p.m.

    If they are meant to be critics, let's use Uteology, Who am I, AzUte and Chris.

    they are spinning it anyway, why not pay them for their efforts?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 16, 2018 1:32 p.m.

    Kalani Sitake will deploy analysts in BYU’s football program this fall. It’s a trend made popular by Nick Saban at Alabama.

    There will be four analysts on Sitake’s staff this fall and those positions are in the process of being filled.

    ---------------

    BYU needs FOUR analysts to tell them...

    A) Don't fake punt 8 yards form your OWN endzone?

    B) How to beat UMass at home?

    LOL

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2018 1:19 p.m.

    Sounds great; however, IMO it would be more beneficial if the four had some more years of eligibility left and could throw, run, block, tackle, and catch. That's what is needed.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 16, 2018 1:14 p.m.

    These guys are ghosts to the fans, but I do hope there is a benefit, I'm just not sure how one can measure that benefit.