Uteology,Collingsworth is playing in the NBA. We all
make mistakes, not a big deal, but this justification of the mistake does not
add credibility. We all make mistakes. Own it.
CougFaninTX - Spring, TXMay 16, 2018 12:56 p.m.@ JD - "nobody
from Provo is playing in the NBA". Fact check - Kyle Collinsworth is calling
you.------------That's like saying David Stockton
is playing in the NBA.Collinsworth is not under contract, like David
he’s going to have to fight to stay in the league.
Johnin SLC: the agency came in choosing between BYU and U of Minnesota. I have
never regretted the choice to attend BYU. In choosing BYU, I freely chose to
abide by it's honor code -- also a choice I have never regretted. So, if it makes you feel better to tell me I was forced in these decisions --
that somehow I lost my agency -- you are certainly welcome to it. But I
certainly don't recall any coercion on the part of BYU administration or
"Really, You were confident and free to decide to let your hair grow, to not
shave for a day or two, to wear shorts to a summer class, to grow your sideburns
long, or walk to on the grass?"I attended BYU, and there were
definitely times I didn't shave for a day or two, or three. As for letting
my hair grow long? I exercised my agency on that when I chose to enroll at BYU.
I knew what the expectations were. I accepted them. I lived with them. How
is that a "violation of agency?"I knew plenty of people who
had long sideburns when I was at the Y. They never had any problems.And, yes, I absolutely walked on the grass. I always thought that campaign
was a bit ridiculous. They talked about not cutting corners and all that stuff,
ignoring the fact that the bare spots on the corners usually had tread marks in
them. In other words, it was the maintenance trucks doing the damage, not
students cutting across the lawns.Ever attend BYU in the Spring and
Summer? The lawns were immaculate, because, you know, it wasn't winter
when grass is dead and covered by snow?And I wore shorts to class
all the time. Are you confusing BYU with Rick's College/BYU-Idaho?
You think BYU's dress code is rigid?Try the Service Academies.
Jonny boy“Really, You were confident and free to decide to let
your hair grow, to not shave for a day or two, to wear shorts to a summer class,
to grow your sideburns long, or walk to on the grass? ”My high
school had a stricter dress code than BYU. Even the U has a dress code; try
walking around campus shirtless and shoeless and see where that gets you.
Is anybody really @ all surprised he’s returning? That was the plan all
along, but byu-p fans are so gullible....Lol“Next year the
invitation to the Draft Combine will propel him into the NBA draft and a pro
basketball future.”😂 Lol—The vast majority of
byu-players overall never even remotely sniff The Nba, period.Sounds
like to me byu-p players are continuing to have an itch to get the heck out of
provo, period.dr’s Hc duties are being questioned yet again
by byu-p fans....Hysterical.Go Utes!
It’s good to see that most support Yoli and others who pursue their career
aspirations in the way they see fit. Close to 100% of college students would
jump at the chance to start their career early making a very healthy salary and
free time each year to continue to work toward their degree. 100%. And with
athletes that pressure is heightened due to the small window of physical ability
and risk of career ending injury. There are plenty of players who are not good
enough to pursue a pro career to fill out the roster. Those who criticize those
players do so for there only selfish reasons.
Rivalry can be sort of fun.There are those who take it too far in
both directions.When your reason for opposing a school or team is
based on religious feelings, it's unfair to interject that into comments
about the article, even if the article does go into Yoeli's religious
feelings as well.It's unfair to the great number of Ute fans
who are simply Utah fans, some of which are still passionate about cheering
against BYU but might not share the same religious angst as those who feel that
their passion for the rivalry is a way of letting off religious steam and being
able to speak out about something that they feel they have been or currently are
trapped in.It's unfair to the large number of BYU fans who
aren't active LDS members. Years ago on another forum I was shocked to
find that almost half of the frequent 8 or 9 BYU fans weren't LDS members -
and for them it's not fair to inject them into a religious debate
either.There are lots of articles and places to debate religion,
most people here just want to talk about sports.Yoeli can speak for
So glad he’s comming back. So critical to have an athletic big. Great
decision and correct to do. Too bad Mica didn’t see that. This softens the
blow of Elija B. Leaving. Wish EB Would have stayed. Not sure what he was
thinking since he’s not going to the NBA. Now the Y has a chance to make
Well, it's a slight change in my thinking, but I still have zero confidence
that Coach Rose has the skills to devise a plane to get the most out of what
he's got. I just don't see it. But I'll keep watching. In the
mean time, it's not too late to go after a better head coach, is it?
Glad to have you back Yo!
"I too attended BYU and was free to make my own decisions and never felt
shoehorned in any way. I guess I am just more confident in myself. I'm sure
your transfer to the u made it much easier for you to party though."dc:Really, You were confident and free to decide to let
your hair grow, to not shave for a day or two, to wear shorts to a summer class,
to grow your sideburns long, or walk to on the grass? Or, were you
taught free agency, and how it was enforced at BYU-P?
@ JD - "nobody from Provo is playing in the NBA". Fact check - Kyle
Collinsworth is calling you."still trying to live the
dream." Fact check - One China player is making over $1M and only plays
half as many games as NBA. Others are making $500k+. That seems like living
the dream to me - doing what you love and getting paid well to do it. Just curious, are you living the dream?
@ Naval whatever"After all, I once attended that school, and
have personally witnessed how that institution tries to shoehorn divine
inspiration into every facet of their life"Really? I too
attended BYU and was free to make my own decisions and never felt shoehorned in
any way. I guess I am just more confident in myself. I'm sure your
transfer to the u made it much easier for you to party though. It sounds like
it worked out better fir everyone.
For those who decline Deity’s invitation for communion, I suppose divine
direction seems like an abstract principle.For those who accept the
invitation and enjoy such communion, divine direction is a reality. I certainly commend the latter to Yoeli and all God’s other children as
@Naval VetThanks for your knowledgeable input. Your observations
are always spot on and so appreciated. Ha ha.🤗Yoeli is
entitled to speak for himself. How could anyone pretend to speak for him?🤔😎
@JDIs it ok to "dream"?Perhaps all of us should
just give up on any aspirations we might have.After all,
haven't most of us been taught that life is all about
"stretching"?In the meantime, why don't we just
accentuate the negative?🤔
Better tell Emery to pass you the ball, bro. That dude is a jacker and can hurt
I seriously doubt Yoeli’s coaches and/or teammates had anything to do with
his decision to return next year. And neither do I believe conversations with
his family, weeks of prayer, nor the cougars’ fans and/or special culture,
had anything to do with his decision either. I believe that his decision was
based ENTIRELY on conversations he claims he’d had with NBA teams.I DO however believe that Yoeli’s coaches, teammates, family,
cougar fans, and that “special culture” down there inspired him to
claim that “prayer” had anything to do with it though. After all, I
once attended that school, and have personally witnessed how that institution
tries to shoehorn divine inspiration into every facet of their life. If he
didn’t claim to have received any revelation, those coaches, teammates,
cougar fans, and “special culture” will begin to question his
commitment to the church.Cue the cougar apologists
The article states "BYU is no stranger to losing players to pro careers"
well that is a big stretch. I would say semi-pro careers. But nobody from Provo
is playing in the NBA, just places like Turkey, China, etc. They are all players
who do not have the skills to make the NBA but who are still trying to live the
dream of making it.
re: "5 - Orem, UTMay 16, 2018 7:59 a.m.I find it
interesting that his reason for returning to BYU was all about what was good for
him. That may be the problem with maintaining the quality of collegiate sports.
Very little loyalty to a school and decisions made only in the interest of
self.Having said that, I look forward to watching Yoeli compete."You say that like he is doing something selfish. Isn't that why
every kid chooses the college they choose to attend: because it was the best fit
for them? Yoeli is being smart and realizing that basketball is a business (at
least at the pro level, although I'm not convinced it's not at the
college level too) and that coming back to BYU for another season, after having
received feedback from NBA scouts and teams about the things he needs to work
on, and that to get ahead in this business, he needs to put in more work. My only concern now is, with the development of the center position or
power forward shooting so many 3's in the NBA, watch out for Yoeli shooting
a lot more treys than he did last year. Teams live and die by the three.
This is good news. Childs did what all college basketball players should do.
Test the market, listen to experts and do what is best for your career. Stop
with the loyalty stuff. He owes nothing to BYU and BYU owes him nothing.
Obviously the NBA folks suggested that another year in college would up his
market value. His family probably advised him that getting a degree and being
close to home would be best for his family and him. And oh by the way, this is
great for BYU.As for the team, they only lose Bryant and gain four
players off injury and mission. They will be much deeper in the paint and with
Emery back should not see too much of a drop in the total guard play. The one
thing they don't have without Bryant is somebody that can create their shot
in the half court at crunch time. Emery and Haws don't have the body
and/or quickness for it. Childs does not have the handles for it. It's
going to be on Rose and the discipline of the team to run a half court set that
Sanity restored. Fantasies put aside.
When he realized it was either Europe or Provo, it was an east decision. He
found out that he isn’t NBA ready.
Love it - this young man is special.
Wow, some really tacky and mean-spirited comments already. . . What else is
there to say?
Best of luck to Mr. Childs, perhaps he can make it in Europe or else where next
year. Sorry Cougs but your best player isn't NBA material.
I find it interesting that his reason for returning to BYU was all about what
was good for him. That may be the problem with maintaining the quality of
collegiate sports. Very little loyalty to a school and decisions made only in
the interest of self.Having said that, I look forward to watching Yoeli
I hope it turns out to be the best decision for him and BYU basketball, go
Great news! Welcome back.
Good for him and good for the program. I totally questioned this move from the
Great news for Coach Rose and the team.Also, with the addition of Emery,
the injury recoveries, and the incoming Freshmen the team should be able to
compensate for the loss of a team leader like Bryant.Yoeli made the right
decision. With the input he received from the NBA people he will improve his
game and his stock will rise. Next year the invitation to the Draft Combine will
propel him into the NBA draft and a pro basketball future.
I am guessing him and run and gun coming back next year will be a disaster. He
would be better off in Lithuanian than trying to play with emery. He just cost
himself any chance of a significant pro career or should we say emery will.
Agents told him to stay put for a reason. Still another 1st round exit from NIT
Welcome back Yoeli! This just made my day. Losing Bryant and Childs
both in one year was just too big a blow for this young team! I'll bet Lee
Cummard is jumping up and down!Go BYU Cougars!
This is the best basketball news BYU could have received this year.