Report: Utah to face Kentucky the next two seasons

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  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    May 22, 2018 7:53 a.m.

    ice cream

    "Fantasies and wishful thinking."

    The hallmark of Ute achievements.

    BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame is filled with trophies and major awards that the kids on the hill can only fantasize and wishfully dream about.

  • Free Ice Cream=WAC Invite Seattle, WA
    May 21, 2018 11:54 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    May 21, 2018 7:09 p.m.
    @blue n gold: "Given the financial resources and recruiting and scheduling advantages of playing in a P5 conference, BYU would have done MUCH better than Utah has done."

    @VegasUte: “A completely un-provable statement”

    Actually, a completely provable statement; all BYU needs is a P5 invite, which will eventually come.

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    Fantasies and wishful thinking. Another BYU legacy created by BYU fans.
    Just join a conference and your fortunes will change! In reality, you are just like Charlie Brown. Holding a bag of rocks on Halloween.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 21, 2018 7:15 p.m.

    utemythology

    “* Kyle Whittingham in MWC 71% vs P5”

    Lol at your disinformation.

    Utah IN the PAC 12, 28-35, FOUR 5th place finishes in the weakest division of the weakest P5 conference.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 21, 2018 7:09 p.m.

    @blue n gold: "Given the financial resources and recruiting and scheduling advantages of playing in a P5 conference, BYU would have done MUCH better than Utah has done."

    @VegasUte: “A completely un-provable statement”

    Actually, a completely provable statement; all BYU needs is a P5 invite, which will eventually come.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 21, 2018 1:39 p.m.

    @blue n gold:

    "Given the financial resources and recruiting and scheduling advantages of playing in a P5 conference, BYU would have done MUCH better than Utah has done."

    A completely un-provable statement. Woulda, shoulda, coulda - my favorite byu-p warcry!

    "btw, BYU plays "P5" quality talent week-in and week-out in the MPSF, constantly playing Top 15 ranked teams, including teams like UCLA, USC, Stanford, Ohio St and Penn St, yet, unlike U in any sport, BYU is one of the elite teams in Men's Volleyball."

    There we go. byu-p goes to it's old reliable - men's volleyball. Lol. A sport so unpopular that they can only have a top 15 ranking because, if they went to a top 25, it would include every D1 school playing, and STILL have room. There are more P5 schools in the PAC who participate in Men's rowing than there are P5 schools playing Men's volleyball in the entire country. byu-p has to play top 15 ranked schools every year - if they didn't, they wouldn't have a schedule. LOL! How about byu try to play 5 P5 teams a year consistently in a sport that really matters - football.

    Congratulations?

    Go Utes!

    Loving the coogie spin.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 21, 2018 8:59 a.m.

    ice cream

    "Sorry, but you would be a doormat in the PAC 12. You can't compete in football. And BYU in any sport has never played P5 caliber talent, week after week, in any sport. You have nothing to compare it with."

    Given the financial resources and recruiting and scheduling advantages of playing in a P5 conference, BYU would have done MUCH better than Utah has done.

    Unlike Utah, BYU seldom lost games to conference bottom dwellers, which is why BYU won 23 WAC/MWC championships, while Utah only managed to win 6.

    Despite being an Independent for the last 7 seasons, BYU has still won TWICE as many conference championships as U during the Whittingham era.

    btw, BYU plays "P5" quality talent week-in and week-out in the MPSF, constantly playing Top 15 ranked teams, including teams like UCLA, USC, Stanford, Ohio St and Penn St, yet, unlike U in any sport, BYU is one of the elite teams in Men's Volleyball.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 20, 2018 3:31 p.m.

    @Jello is Good - ,

    BYU IS a "legacy" program, with a world wide brand. And I believe had we entered the PAC 12 in 2011 we would have done better than Utah, although it would have been close. But we are nowhere near the "Notre Dame of the West."

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    You're no way near Utah over the last 20 years. In fact, BYU football is 3rd in state as the most "favorite" team.

    BYU would be a bottom feeder in any P5 league due to its limited talent poll. With lack of African American talent you will never be able to build depth to compete.

    BYU has a "legacy" of beating cupcakes and losing to P5.

    * Kyle Whittingham in MWC 71% vs P5

    * Edwards 38% vs P5

    * Bronco 42% vs P5

  • Free Ice Cream=WAC Invite Seattle, WA
    May 18, 2018 9:26 p.m.

    Jello is Good -

    BYU IS a "legacy" program, with a world wide brand. And I believe had we entered the PAC 12 in 2011 we would have done better than Utah, although it would have been close. But we are nowhere near the "Notre Dame of the West."

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    This is too good to pass up!
    World wide brand? Any school can claim that. All it takes is one student from anywhere else in the world. And there you are - a world wide brand.

    Sorry, but you would be a doormat in the PAC12. You can't compete in football. And BYU in any sport has never played P5 caliber talent, week after week, in any sport. You have nothing to compare it with.
    There is no magic potion that would have, or ever will, change recruiting for BYU. Standards make it tough. End of story.

    If your legacy mattered, BYU would get way more respect. That is because you are "not" a legacy program.
    Prove me wrong.
    Real legacy programs are respected. OSU, USC, MI, ALA, TX.....
    BYU is nowhere near that. The only legacy you have is awards nobody cares about other than BYU fans. And nobody want's you in their conference.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 18, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    @Cougs:

    "Vegas...c'mon now, you know you've made derogatory comments about BYU to BYU fans on BYU articles. Own it"

    Lol. Nothing to own. Nice try. Engaging byu fiction is easy enough to do just reading Utah stories. I don't have to wander into provostan to get my entertainment. But, by all means, continue your obsession with all things Utah. I just don't have the compulsion or feel the need to go to byu stories just to mock byu fans.

    "given many ute fans insistence that their "big boy" status wouldn't allow for such a weak arrangement"

    Just for kicks - please let us know who these "fans" are (no, Chris B does and not count). I will mock them myself, if they do exist. The VAST majority love the fact (actual fact) that Utah has signed such a great agreement with Kentucky.

    "I'd feel disrespected, even if it's a great program like UK"

    LOL! No need for further commentary.

    "we laugh and move on and the banter makes it more fun/interesting"

    Lol. That is very true. Part of what entertains me and makes me laugh is calling out ridiculous statements and watching someone try to defend it.

    Are we not entertained?

    I certainly am.

    Go Utes!

    Have a great weekend!

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    May 18, 2018 10:32 a.m.

    Utah beats a good team at home: "LOL they're so bad they're too scared to play anyone away from home!"

    Utah schedules a road+neutral series with a good team: "LOL they're so bad they can't get anyone to play them at home!"

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 17, 2018 5:20 p.m.

    Vegas:
    ""You yourself have been guilty of trolling BYU just to taunt them."

    "I don't go to byu stories to troll byu fans...I will read stories only relating to byu that interest me from time to time, but you can't find any trolling posts, I guarantee that."
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    Ok, maybe trolling isn't the right word, but disparaging and derogatory are...and yes you're guilty of both. Again, I'm ok with that...we laugh and move on and the banter makes it more fun/interesting. So no need to be defensive, just own it.

    I commented on this article to rib Ute fans...it was entertainment. And it was a legitimate question, given many ute fans insistence that their "big boy" status wouldn't allow for such a weak arrangement. Now again, please forgive me for not looking up Kentucky's scheduling arrangements with other programs...but it still doesn't change the trolling and taunting ute fans have engaged in at similar agreements with the Y despite scheduling constraints that stood in their way. Fair and balanced, Vegas...c'mon now, you know you've made derogatory comments about BYU to BYU fans on BYU articles. Own it.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 17, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    "You yourself have been guilty of trolling BYU just to taunt them."

    Now you really are making up stories, LOL. I don't go to byu stories to troll byu fans. Personally, I really don't care much about what happens at byu. I will read stories only relating to byu that interest me from time to time, but you can't find any trolling posts, I guarantee that.

    I will engage with byu fans who frequent Utah stories from time to time when what they write is either right on, or way off base. Choosing to engage you on this topic falls into the latter category.

    I will enjoy watching Utah play at Rupp this year, and I will be at T-Mobile next year. This was a great scheduling coup by Utah, no matter how you spin it.

    Just a thought - I wonder if NC State and Rutgers fans are taunting Duke, UNC and Seton Hall fans for being so disrespected by Kentucky? My guess would be no.

    It's always a great day to be a Ute!

    Go Utes!

    Go Coach K!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2018 12:12 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    "...can you see why Cougar fans would jump all over Ute fans for trolling our scheduling agreements? In their taunts they didn't consider BYU's scheduling difficulties...and even when we played one offs with LSU or Oklahoma, or schedule 2 for 1 w/ Wisconsin or ND there was no benefit of the doubt given them for the quality of those opponents. Surely, you can see that as well..."
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    Yep, I can absolutely see it. Ute fans that criticize some of the 2 for 1 arrangements BYU has made since going Independent are just trying to push the buttons of Cougar fans. Same thing with the away and neutral scheduling arrangements. Granted you don't want to do that with just any team but typically the teams BYU have entered into these agreements with are worth doing it with in my opinion, particularly when BYU is trying to play as close to a P5-schedule as possible. There's really no way of accomplishing that without making some concessions.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 17, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    "Actually, our taunts we based more on the fact that BYU "fans" claimed BYU is a "legacy" program, with a world wide brand. That you are the "Notre Dame of the West".

    In fact, early on when Utah struggled to win in the P12 it was "Notre Dame of the West" fans claiming it would do better in the P12."

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    The fact that you see a need to taunt says a lot.

    As to the assertions you say BYU fans made, I'm sure many did. That is their opinion of their program. And as a matter of fact, my opinion is that most of what you put on us I will take.

    BYU IS a "legacy" program, with a world wide brand. And I believe had we entered the PAC 12 in 2011 we would have done better than Utah, although it would have been close. But we are nowhere near the "Notre Dame of the West."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs
    Now understanding that, can you see why Cougar fans would jump all over Ute fans for trolling our scheduling agreements? In their taunts they didn't consider BYU's scheduling difficulties...and even when we played one offs with LSU or Oklahoma, or schedule 2 for 1 w/ Wisconsin or ND there was no benefit of the doubt given them for the quality of those opponents.

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    Actually, our taunts we based more on the fact that BYU "fans" claimed BYU is a "legacy" program, with a world wide brand. That you are the "Notre Dame of the West".

    In fact, early on when Utah struggled to win in the P12 it was "Notre Dame of the West" fans claiming it would do better in the P12.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 17, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "You didn't beat a top 20 team and beat a .500 team to win it."

    This coming from a fan base who still has a 1944 NCAA Tournament Championship banner hanging in the rafters of the Huntsman Center for a team that only beat THREE college teams during the entire regular seasons - Idaho State (twice) and Colorado College - got bounced out of the premier tournament of the day, the NIT, in the 1st round, and then won the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history. Most of the teams in the country had suspended their basketball programs, and the very that were still competing were composed entirely of Freshmen and a few very young Sophomores because everybody else was busy fighting a world war.

    The hypocrisy of Utah fans still claiming that Utah "won" the 1944 national championship 74 years ago, while constantly demeaning BYU's legitimate 1984 Consensus National Championship is hysterical.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 17, 2018 10:33 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Michigan doesn't remember; it was the worst Bo Shembelcher[sic] team in his tenure. "

    Only based on record. Talent wise, the core of the team was much the same as the #8- and #2-ranked teams of 1983 and 1985.

    It was good enough to beat then #1-ranked, defending National Champion Miami, and it was good enough to hang with both #2 Washington 20-11 and #1 BYU 24-17.

    Michigan played the 14th toughest SOS in 1984 and their defense was 23rd in the country in points allowed.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 17, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA

    BYU unanimous National Champion.

    "BYU concluded the 1984 championship on a 24-game winning streak. At the end of the season, BYU was crowned as National Champion after being a unanimous number one in all four NCAA sanctioned polls AP, Coaches, NFF and FWAA."

    This happened. It is fact. "Unanimous" means that all that voted felt that BYU had EARNED the NC. You can't minimize it or explain it away. It is something we have and you don't. Trying to do so is as feeble as some of my fellow fans trying to minimize the PAC 12. Doing so does not change the fact that Utah is in a P5 and BYU is not.

    I accept that Utah is a member of a P5 conference because they earned it on the field. BYU was awarded the 1984 Unanimous National Championship because they earned it on the field.

    There are no alternate facts.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 17, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "You didn't beat a top 20 team and beat a .500 team to win in. Sheeeesh x2
    NC by default;"

    We beat a MUCH better team on the road in 1984, than Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.

    Compare Air Force 1983 to 1985, to Pittsburgh 2003 to 2005.

    And, the Michigan team that BYU beat in the Holiday Bowl, would have destroyed Pittsburgh.

    Compare Michigan 1983 to 1985, to Pittsburgh 2003 to 2005.

    In the process of winning 24-straight games, including wins over three Top 25 teams, and finishing in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, BYU earned enough respect from the majority of voters in the AP and Coaches polls to be ranked #1 in both polls.

    1984 BYU SOS #82
    2004 Utah SOS #70
    2008 Utah SOS #80

    The "vast difference" in SOS that Utah fans like to parrot, is nothing but a delusional, crimson colored pipe dream.

    Despite the false claims of the BYU haters, BYU earned its 1984 National Championship in the same way every other national champion of the day earned theirs; by convincing the voters that they were the best and most deserving team in the country to be ranked #1.

    The FIVE National Championship Trophies proudly displayed in BYU's Legacy HOF prove that.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 17, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    Jello is Good - ,
    May 17, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    May 16, 2018 4:55 p.m.

    "This coming from a fan base who crows about 1984 like it was yesterday. Sheeeesh"

    Yes we are still proud of our unanimous 1984 National Championship and, to me, it does seem like yesterday. But we certainly are not dillusional to think that Michigahn is still mad about the loss.
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    Michigan doesn't remember; it was the worst Bo Shembelcher team in his tenure.

    MRM

    You didn't beat a top 20 team and beat a .500 team to win in. Sheeeesh x2
    NC by default; let's beat on our chest.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 17, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    VegasUte:
    "Like my mama always said - two wrongs don't make a right.

    You should know what the truth is first before you try to pass fiction as fact".

    Well that's good advice to all fanbases who post things to zing their opponent...fiction has been posted everywhere by both fanbases on these boards. You yourself have been guilty of trolling BYU just to taunt them. I personally don't find anything wrong with that and I find the smack as entertaining and part of what makes CFB great...until it gets personal or gets nasty which it seems to do often with the U/Y rivalry.

    I have more friends who are Utes than Cougars and we have a lot of fun with it...but we also don't repeat the same tired arguments or get personal about it. I hope people can have fun with the smack, zing each other, laugh about it and still enjoy the rivalry...it's not war, it's sports. Have a good one brother!

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 17, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    May 16, 2018 4:55 p.m.

    "This coming from a fan base who crows about 1984 like it was yesterday. Sheeeesh"

    Yes we are still proud of our unanimous 1984 National Championship and, to me, it does seem like yesterday. But we certainly are not dillusional to think that Michigahn is still mad about the loss.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 17, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    @JohnInSLC - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    "Kentucky probably insisted on the home-neutral arrangement. I think they are still smarting that Utah is 1-0 there. After all, the Utes handed Kentucky their first loss in Rupp Arena back in the 70's."

    Yeah, you are probably right. All those national championships are great and all, but in the 70's the mighty Utes came in there and beat them and they are still sooo upset almost 50 years later they don't want them any where near their home court.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 17, 2018 7:11 a.m.

    @AZUTE1 - Mesa, AZ
    May 16, 2018 4:45 a.m.

    “As a byu fan, your mere presence on here inherently screams byu-p....Then your weak-sauce attempt to run smack talk against us serves to only further incite a retort regarding byu-p."

    ...says the guy that literally posts multiple times on every BYU related article with the same tired and repetitive posts.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    May 16, 2018 5:35 p.m.

    spoke and ute

    “This coming from a fan base who crows about 1984 like it was yesterday. Sheeeesh”

    You’re seriously comparing one 2-point upset win 40 years ago with a Consensus National Championship? sheeeesh!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 16, 2018 5:21 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs:

    We have had some good conversations in the past. That's why I am surprised at your posts here. Surely you understand that every single fan base has trolls. You coming on Utah stories to troll all Ute fans because Utah has some fans who troll byu fans is just counter-intuitive. You can't that your byu fandom has nothing to do with it. It is the only reason you are doing it.

    Like my mama always said - two wrongs don't make a right.

    You should know what the truth is first before you try to pass fiction as fact. Just so you know (I wrote this in an earlier post that for some reason DN didn't like), but I didn't have to "dig" at all to know how to school you about Kentucky.

    Go Utes!

    It's always a great day on the hill!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 16, 2018 5:01 p.m.

    @blue n gold:

    "You must be seriously delusional if you think that Kentucky is still fretting about a meaningless 2-point upset loss to Utah 40 years ago."

    Calm down Sparky - pretty sure that was said TIC. Why so serious? Lol.

    DN needs a TIC font. It would save a lot of hand wringing.

    Go Utes!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 16, 2018 4:58 p.m.

    @northern_lights:

    "Utah played at The Orleans just a couple years ago."

    Utah beat Duke at Madison Square Garden "a couple years ago" - could this be what your are remembering? In 2009, Utah was invited to play in the Las Vegas Invitational where they were runner up to Michigan State after beating Illinois in the semi-finals. The final two games were played at the Orleans.

    Two games.

    Nine years ago.

    In the Las Vegas Invitational.

    Your point?

    It's always a great day to be a Ute!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2018 4:56 p.m.

    motorbike:
    "Surely you can see and admit to the difference in conversations...I'd probably feel the same if it were Duke or North Carolina, but outside of those three programs it would then start to point toward the past conversations/comments you're referring to."

    Ok, this is what I mean by arguing against my point and not about who I'm a fan of, thank you. I can reasonably see your point here. Kentucky is not equal to, let's just say Minnesota. I completely agree...there's a difference in the quality and cache of opponents. And to carry your argument further, it probably wasn't fair for me to compare CBB scheduling to CFB either (2 very different structures in terms of "power/division"). So I can own that as well.

    Now understanding that, can you see why Cougar fans would jump all over Ute fans for trolling our scheduling agreements? In their taunts they didn't consider BYU's scheduling difficulties...and even when we played one offs with LSU or Oklahoma, or schedule 2 for 1 w/ Wisconsin or ND there was no benefit of the doubt given them for the quality of those opponents. Surely, you can see that as well...

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 16, 2018 4:55 p.m.

    blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    May 16, 2018 4:09 p.m.

    jonny in slc

    "Kentucky probably insisted on the home-neutral arrangement. I think they are still smarting that Utah is 1-0 there. After all, the Utes handed Kentucky their first loss in Rupp Arena back in the 70's."

    You must be seriously delusional if you think that Kentucky is still fretting about a meaningless 2-point upset loss to Utah 40 years ago.

    The Wildcats have owned U since 1944, when they knocked the Utes out of the NIT in the first round.
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    This coming from a fan base who crows about 1984 like it was yesterday. Sheeeesh

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 16, 2018 4:09 p.m.

    jonny in slc

    "Kentucky probably insisted on the home-neutral arrangement. I think they are still smarting that Utah is 1-0 there. After all, the Utes handed Kentucky their first loss in Rupp Arena back in the 70's."

    You must be seriously delusional if you think that Kentucky is still fretting about a meaningless 2-point upset loss to Utah 40 years ago.

    The Wildcats have owned U since 1944, when they knocked the Utes out of the NIT in the first round.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2018 3:34 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    Come on man, you know full well that not all home and home arrangements are the same. There aren't many away/neutral field arrangements in football that I'd be happy about... maybe Alabama and that's probably it. Basketball isn't much different but what Alabama is to football, Kentucky is to basketball. If a team gets a shot at scheduling an away/neutral court agreement with Kentucky, and especially when the neutral court game is a 5 hour drive from your campus, you jump on it.
    Surely you can see and admit to the difference in conversations. This is a HUGE get by Utah, I'd sign up for the same arrangement with Kentucky time and time again and be pleased as punch. I'd probably feel the same if it were Duke or North Carolina, but outside of those three programs it would then start to point toward the past conversations/comments you're referring to.
    Always a great day to be a Ute!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2018 3:20 p.m.

    motorbike:
    "I'll absolutely be there and I'll be at Rupp Arena crossing that off my bucket list as well."

    That's awesome that you'll get to go. Enjoy it man! One of the greatest experiences in CBB. I've been there twice and neither time disappointed...it gets crazy!!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2018 2:49 p.m.

    Lil'JohnnyontheHill:
    "coogsRdogs:

    Your admitted coog fanhood bias obviously renders your 'criticism' suspect. And I suspect you don't spend a lot of time commenting and throwing shade on the Yellow Jackets in Ga Tech articles. Or, do you?"

    Ok, I'll own that it makes it suspect, but not unjustified...we can agree on that. Again, it doesn't change or taint the argument. To your second point, I spend equal time on DawgNation as on the DN...GT doesn't get much smack anymore, that is saved for the Lizards at UF. There's even a Gator Hater segment on their daily podcast...pretty hilarious. Rivalries are what make football fun, so jabbing your opponent should just be par for the course. It does seem like both Utah and BYU fans take it a little more personal than Georgia/Lizard fans...not sure why (would make for an interesting sociology experiment lol).

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2018 2:39 p.m.

    VegasUte:
    ""I'm a BYU fan...does that make the criticism untrue or unjustified?"

    In a word - yes. Yes, because you don't understand what you are talking about. If you did, you wouldn't write what you wrote. You only have criticism because of your blue goggles."

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    C'mon Vegas, we've had some decent conversations and you know better than to throw ad hominems around like this. In a word, no, my being a BYU fan doesn't change or otherwise taint the argument that Ute trolls have always suggested that BYU's home-neutral arrangements would never happen at Utah...that you are "above that". Obviously if this is true, these same fans would/should feel disrespected.

    Now I applaud you for digging and coming up with reasons why (sorry I didn't care enough to), but it doesn't change the fact that Ute trolls on a multitude of occasions have rubbed BYU fans' faces in just this kind of arrangement...caring little for the circumstances or scheduling of other programs. My being a BYU fan, Georgia fan, Jazz fan doesn't change that reality or that argument.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 16, 2018 2:07 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology

    "Utes biting off more than they can chew and laughing at the crow Utah fans are munching on after claiming that Utah would never stoop so low as to schedule something as demeaning as an away-neutral series with no return game in the Huntsman."

    More made up stories by the byu faithful. Lol. Please show me one post - that is not from Chris B - where ANY Utah fan, let alone fans, stated what you just said they did. A two game series with Kentucky, with the second one in my hometown is awesome!! The T Mobile arena is a beautiful facility. Any game I get to see a game there is a huge bonus. I love it. The truth for you is, every one of you byu fans would cut off their right arm to trade places with Utah.

    Nice try. We do thank you for flocking to these Utah articles. The obsession is very, very entertaining.

    Go Utes!

    Loving the cougar angst and fiction!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2018 1:57 p.m.

    Gotta love Coug fans. There's absolutely no shame in a fantastic agreement with Kentucky like the one Utah just entered into. That game in Vegas has a decent chance at being a virtual home game for the Utes. I'll absolutely be there and I'll be at Rupp Arena crossing that off my bucket list as well.
    It's always a great day to be a Ute!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 16, 2018 1:52 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 16, 2018 12:53 p.m.
    VegasUte

    "Loving the Cougar angst!"

    What angst?

    BYU fans are relishing the results of the Utes biting off more than they can chew and laughing at the crow Utah fans are munching on after claiming that Utah would never stoop so low as to schedule something as demeaning as an away-neutral series with no return game in the Huntsman.

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    Your confusing football with basketball.

    UCLA played at Kentucky in 2016, then in 2017 played at a neutral site in New Orleans.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 16, 2018 1:44 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red - Miami Beach, FL
    May 15, 2018 6:46 p.m.
    This is a garbage arrangement, period.

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    I disagree, it could be worse. We could be playing a garbage team which does nothing for our OOC SOS. Utah has to increase it's OOC SOS, this helps.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2018 1:40 p.m.

    At first I thought Utah made a mistake having home/neutral locations next two years with Kentucky. One purson made a comment that Kentucky has played all their games at home against all non conference games. Looking at UK last two years schedule and yes no road games. I think it was the right thing to do just to get UK out of their comfort zone they have done in the past. I don't see why not at Vivint Arena, SLC. SEC seens to get many of their non conference games at their home field (both FB & Basketball) and it needs to be stop. BYU football did get Mississippi State at LES two times but we never did get Georgia and Bama ever come at all and never will. Unless we some how bring them to this new LV Raiders Stadium.

  • uterebel50 West Valley, UT
    May 16, 2018 1:32 p.m.

    @Northern_Lights

    Could you update your post to name the team Utah played in The Orleans Arena "a couple of years ago?" I don't recall the Utes having ever played a game at that venue. I can only remember T-Mobile, MGM Grand and the Thomas & Mack. Which game was played in The Orleans?

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 16, 2018 12:53 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "Loving the Cougar angst!"

    What angst?

    BYU fans are relishing the results of the Utes biting off more than they can chew and laughing at the crow Utah fans are munching on after claiming that Utah would never stoop so low as to schedule something as demeaning as an away-neutral series with no return game in the Huntsman.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 16, 2018 12:49 p.m.

    jonny in the city

    "Nothing screams hilarious hypocrisy more than a..."

    There's nothing hypocritical about simply stating a well-known fact.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 16, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs:

    "I'm a BYU fan...does that make the criticism untrue or unjustified?"

    In a word - yes. Yes, because you don't understand what you are talking about. If you did, you wouldn't write what you wrote. You only have criticism because of your blue goggles. For you to write something like "the fact that Kentucky didn't have enough respect" is just rivalry trolling and has nothing to do with "fact" at all. Following your train of thought, do you troll Duke, Seton Hall or North Carolina fans about how Kentucky has no respect for them also? To think that would just be ridiculous.

    Coach Calipari wanted to have the second game at Madison Sq Garden or another east coast neutral site. The "fact" (this is an actual fact) that he has agreed to play in Vegas DOES show what respect he has for Utah and for Coach K.

    I do understand, though, why you spend so much of your time on Utah articles. If my school's athletic program was in such disarray, I would be all over the place throwing shade, making up stories, and diverting attention away from it just like what you are attempting to do now.

    Cougar tears are delicious!

    Go Utes!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    May 16, 2018 12:44 p.m.

    jonny boy

    What's funny about this is desperate Utah fans having to resort to weak arena size smack and whiny excuses to explain away their phony claim of being "too good" to schedule anything but a home-and-home against any opponent.

    The emperor's new clothes are being exposed.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    May 16, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    lester

    "when Utah plays in Vegas it's at the T-Mobile Arena, not at the embarrassing The Orleans, Las Vegas' equivalent of the WCC gyms"

    Is arena size smack the only thing you could come up with?

    weak

    Let's not forget that you were dominated by BYU in a WCC gym only a few months ago.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    Meh.

    Kentucky probably insisted on the home-neutral arrangement. I think they are still smarting that Utah is 1-0 there. After all, the Utes handed Kentucky their first loss in Rupp Arena back in the 70's.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    "Because they're the 2nd most rival-obsessed fan base in the country."

    lone*some:

    Nothing screams hilarious hypocrisy more than a BYU-P fan, on a Utah article, accusing Ute fans of obsession.
    _ _ _ _ _

    "Yes, I'm a BYU fan...does that make the criticism untrue or unjustified"
    "I'm a fan of UGA also...or does that nullify my criticism as well"

    coogsRdogs:

    Your admitted coog fanhood bias obviously renders your 'criticism' suspect. And I suspect you don't spend a lot of time commenting and throwing shade on the Yellow Jackets in Ga Tech articles. Or, do you?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 16, 2018 12:29 p.m.

    Lester L. Wester - Henderson, NV

    "And when Utah plays in Vegas it's at the T-Mobile Arena, not at the embarrassing The Orleans, Las Vegas' equivalent of the WCC gyms."

    What's funny about this is that the WCC has to play their tournament early and clear out of The Orleans arena to make room for a bigger conference tournament .... The WAC.

    @Cougsndawgs:

    "A neutral site with no trip to SLC?"

    Uh - if you knew anything about basketball or Kentucky, you would know that Kentucky does not do non-conference road games - only neutral sites - unless your name is Louisville. Do yourself a favor and look at Kentucky's schedule - Duke, Seton Hall and UNC, all at neutral sites. So, if you include Utah in with those schools, that IS a big deal. You might look better if you do a little work and know what you're talking about before you post.

    Your jealousy is showing. And thanks for rushing to this story so that you could be first to show how dedicated you are to all things Ute.

    It's always a great day to be a Ute!

    Loving the cougar angst!

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    May 16, 2018 12:21 p.m.

    pester

    “And when Utah plays in Vegas it's at the T-Mobile Arena, not at the embarrassing The Orleans”

    Utah played at The Orleans just a couple years ago.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    May 16, 2018 12:17 p.m.

    pester

    “The ONLY relevant fact is that Utah is included and BYU never got close to be invited.”

    Actually, BYU got close to being invited in the 90’s, but the PAC 10 wanted a travel partner for BYU. When BYU suggested Utah, the PAC 10 said “no way”. Colorado was considered, but the PAC 10 feared a lawsuit, so no invitations were extended.

    Claims that Utah was invited over BYU in 2010 because of Utah’s football superiority are nothing but crimson colored hallucinations.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    May 16, 2018 11:46 a.m.

    Y is a Little Brother: "In fact, if the PAC 10 / Big 12 South merger hadn't fallen apart, you'd still be on the outside looking in."

    The ONLY relevant fact is that Utah is included and BYU-P never got close to be invited. Everything else is just material for the BYU-P folklore.

    And when Utah plays in Vegas it's at the T-Mobile Arena, not at the embarrassing The Orleans, Las Vegas' equivalent of the WCC gyms.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    Lil'JohnontheHill:
    "Well, when obvious coog fans come to throw shade, what do you expect?"

    So speaking the truth or accurate criticism to you is "throwing shade"? Yes, I'm a BYU fan...does that make the criticism untrue or unjustified? How about instead of focusing on who I'm a fan of (I'm a fan of UGA also...or does that nullify my criticism as well), focus on whether you actually like the fact that Kentucky didn't have enough respect to schedule a home-home with U. If I were a Ute fan I'd be like Tomahawk...I'd feel disrespected, even if it's a great program like UK.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 16, 2018 11:04 a.m.

    Has Chris Hill forgotten Utah's history versus Kentucky?

    Or, is he simply setting up his successor for failure?

    Kentucky is Utah's Kryptonite.

    Utah is 1-8 all-time versus Kentucky, with Utah's lone win coming over 40 years ago, by 2 points.

    Utah's 1944 NCAA tournament winning team, was bounced out of the NIT by Kentucky.

    Even Utah's best team ever, wasn't capable of beating Kentucky.

    In fact, Utah lost 3 straight NCAA tournament games to Kentucky, by an average of nearly 18 points, during the midst of Utah's greatest era in history (1996 to 1998).

    Good luck Utes.

    Maybe you'll keep the game at Kentucky close, like UVU did last season.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    GoRed

    "To the BYU fans talking trash, just a truth here: BYU would kill for a similar arrangement with Kentucky."

    BYU fans are simply rebutting the trash talk of Utah fans who have been boasting for years that the Utes were "too good" to ever accept anything less than a home-and-home with any opponent.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    Sooner Ute

    "Giving up concessions got Utah into the PAC 12."

    NOPE!

    Having highly rated research, being a secular school, and being in a large, untapped television market within reasonable proximity of the existing PAC 10 teams, got Utah and Colorado into the PAC 12.

    Football and basketball success had absolutely NOTHING to do with Utah's invitation to join the PAC 12.

    In fact, if the PAC 10 / Big 12 South merger hadn't fallen apart, you'd still be on the outside looking in.

  • blueheron52 Provo, UT
    May 16, 2018 10:23 a.m.

    Congratulations to the Utes on a scheduling coup. This is a great opportunity for the players and the program.

    I hope you have great success--beat Kentucky!

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 16, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    @GoRed - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    "To the BYU fans talking trash, just a truth here: BYU would kill for a similar arrangement with Kentucky."

    I wouldn't say I would "kill" for a similar arrangement, but I would be very happy with it. And you don't see me trashing this get. On another article in this paper you can see where BYU just acquired an opening game at Nevada. I would rather play at Kentucky.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    David says "small potatoes have to make sacrifices, give up concessions to play with the big boys."
    Giving up concessions got Utah into the PAC 12. Getting into the PAC 12 got Utah an away and neutral deal with Kentucky. If Utah had been in the MWC, they'd have gotten an away and done deal like Utah State.

    BYU thinking they are a big potato got them what? Passed over for P5 membership and a home and home deal with Nevada.

    Well played, Big Potato. Well played.

  • GoRed Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    To the BYU fans talking trash, just a truth here: BYU would kill for a similar arrangement with Kentucky.

  • soulkracker Kansas City, MO
    May 16, 2018 8:05 a.m.

    Who's BYU?

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    May 16, 2018 7:44 a.m.

    There's no sugar coating it, this is a garbage deal.

    I realize Kentucky doesn't play road games, but in that case you schedule a one off at a neutral site or you move onto another opponent.

    The away-and-neutral scheme is flat ridiculous.

    Vegas gives Utah no added benefit.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 16, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    I like the arrangement. Would have been even better to play one in SLC, but Vegas is cool. It's good just to play these games for your resume; win or lose. Just ask St. Marys. Nice to see the usual cast of characters chiming in. Thread wouldn't be the same without them.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 16, 2018 4:45 a.m.

    “This article isn't about BYU, it's about Utah...which is why I didn't mention BYU anywhere in my post. Why is it Utah fans still drag BYU into every article/criticism of their program? Haven't U forgotten BYU...left them in your rearview mirror?”

    As a byu fan, your mere presence on here inherently screams byu-p....Then your weak-sauce attempt to run smack talk against us serves to only further incite a retort regarding byu-p.

    Which part of this is confusing to you?

    “What's the matter...the rest of the PAC12 doesn't think you're worthy of rivalry banter so you can't leave BYU alone, even with all the forced, fake rivalries the league has tried and failed to create (sorta like how they tried and failed to create their own network)?”

    What are you even talking about?

    You byu-p fans are so utterly consumed w/us, that w/each comment you post, you become more & more blatantly vacuous....Mind-boggling.

    Go Utes!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2018 11:58 p.m.

    "I didn't mention BYU anywhere in my post. Why is it Utah fans still drag BYU into every article/criticism of their program?”

    CoogsRdogs:

    Well, when obvious coog fans come to throw shade, what do you expect?

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 15, 2018 11:32 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    “Why is it Utah fans still drag BYU into every article/criticism of their program?”

    Because they’re the 2nd most rival-obsessed fan base in the country.

    Nothing on the hill has meaning, until it’s been compared to BYU.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 15, 2018 10:42 p.m.

    PACpaddingourschedule:

    "Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    I'm sure BYU thinks like that during almost every wimpy WCC road game.
    "Why are we playing at Pacific?"
    "Where is Kentucky on our schedule?"

    Hey! at least BYU won't feel left out. They get to play in Las Vegas too!"
    -------------------

    This article isn't about BYU, it's about Utah...which is why I didn't mention BYU anywhere in my post. Why is it Utah fans still drag BYU into every article/criticism of their program? Haven't U forgotten BYU...left them in your rearview mirror? What's the matter...the rest of the PAC12 doesn't think you're worthy of rivalry banter so you can't leave BYU alone, even with all the forced, fake rivalries the league has tried and failed to create (sorta like how they tried and failed to create their own network)?

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    May 15, 2018 10:00 p.m.

    Crying closet appointments are all full. An away game and then a nuetral site game will have to be cried about in the open u fans

  • Free Ice Cream=WAC Invite Seattle, WA
    May 15, 2018 9:33 p.m.

    David - Centerville, UT
    May 15, 2018 7:08 p.m.

    "When you are small potatoes you have to make sacrifices, give up concessions to play with the big boys."

    Is this article about BYU football?
    Because you nailed it!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 15, 2018 9:08 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    May 15, 2018 6:39 p.m.
    First of all, this is very exciting news! Kentucky is one of the bluest of blue blood programs, so scheduling them is great work by the AD (and I imagine Coach K had some input as well) at Utah.

    That being said, is Kentucky not aware that Utah is part of the 'conference of champions' and a big time program? I thought Utah was worthy of home & home schedules against folks like Kentucky. But the first trip is to Rupp Arena, Kentucky's home court, while the return visit is in...Las Vegas? A neutral site with no trip to SLC? Apparently Kentucky didn't get the memo about how big a deal Utah is...
    _____

    I'm sure BYU thinks like that during almost every wimpy WCC road game.
    "Why are we playing at Pacific?"
    "Where is Kentucky on our schedule?"

    Hey! at least BYU won't feel left out. They get to play in Las Vegas too!

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    May 15, 2018 8:38 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    May 15, 2018 6:39 p.m.

    That being said, is Kentucky not aware that Utah is part of the 'conference of champions' and a big time program?

    -------------

    There's no sugar coating it, this is midmajor type scheduling if ever there was an example. Even a two for one would have been better.

    Wonder how long the ADs office will continue to slap season ticket holders in the face with garbage like this.

    Absolutely mind boggling that a power conference program would ever accept giving up a road game in exchange for a neutral game in return.

    Seems like Utah is not playing to win, just happy to be there.

    They pulled off similar blunders in the past... Kansas in 2013, Duke two years later and Xavier last year.

    Hard to believe an arrangement like this is acceptable in the ADs office. It isn't to the fans who buy the tickets, I promise you.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 15, 2018 7:14 p.m.

    Wow! Great pick up for the Utes. Kentucky is big time basketball. opportunity for Utah to make a statement.

  • Adinfinitum Orem, UT
    May 15, 2018 7:10 p.m.

    I’m okay with going to Vegas to see a good game.

  • David Centerville, UT
    May 15, 2018 7:08 p.m.

    When you are small potatoes you have to make sacrifices, give up concessions to play with the big boys.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    May 15, 2018 6:46 p.m.

    This is a garbage arrangement, period.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 15, 2018 6:39 p.m.

    First of all, this is very exciting news! Kentucky is one of the bluest of blue blood programs, so scheduling them is great work by the AD (and I imagine Coach K had some input as well) at Utah.

    That being said, is Kentucky not aware that Utah is part of the 'conference of champions' and a big time program? I thought Utah was worthy of home & home schedules against folks like Kentucky. But the first trip is to Rupp Arena, Kentucky's home court, while the return visit is in...Las Vegas? A neutral site with no trip to SLC? Apparently Kentucky didn't get the memo about how big a deal Utah is...