So what has BYU's big football hire Jeff Grimes accomplished in five months?

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  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 14, 2018 7:50 p.m.

    "When there is no conference to call home, there really isn’t anything, as a team, that can be accomplished."

    So the team, and wins, cease to exist without a conference? Good to know!

    Really, I don't get what you are trying to say.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    May 14, 2018 6:11 p.m.

    When there is no conference to call home, there really isn’t anything, as a team, that can be accomplished.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 14, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    @Marked it Down - Park City, UT

    btw, according to your convoluted year-to-year comparison of points

    Utah 2008, would have finished 3rd in 2004

    USC - 1622 points
    Auburn - 1559 points
    Utah - 1519

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    I never compared year-to-year points. I never once said Pitt had "more" points. I said Pitt was ranked, Air Force was not.

    Why don't you compare 1984 Air Force to 2008 Bama, TCU, Oregon State, BYU?

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 14, 2018 1:24 p.m.

    correction

    Air Force's average finish in the 1984 AP poll was #24
    Pitt's average finish in the 2004 AP poll was #25

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 14, 2018 1:16 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 14, 2018 12:14 p.m.
    utemythology

    You obviously don’t understand SOS rankings if you think it’s as simple as calculating the winning percentages of opponents.

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    Why don't you enlighten us how your source calculates SOS.

    According to your source:

    Strength of Schedule; a rating of strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average. Non-major opponents are included as a single team in the ratings,

    Why don't you tell us how a "single team" is calculated.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 14, 2018 1:13 p.m.

    uteoMYTHology

    * 2004 Pitt dropped from AP #18 to #25 with 99 votes
    * Air Force was never ranked, they finished tied with Notre Dame with 25 votes

    You're obviously confused.

    Year-to-year comparisons of points in the polls is completely meaningless; the ONLY thing that matters is final ordinal rank each year.

    Air Force's average finish in the 1984 AP poll was #24
    Pitt's average finish in the 1984 AP poll was #25

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    btw, according to your convoluted year-to-year comparison of points

    Utah 2008, would have finished 3rd in 2004

    USC - 1622 points
    Auburn - 1559 points
    Utah - 1519

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 14, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 14, 2018 12:14 p.m.
    utemythology

    You obviously don’t understand SOS rankings if you think it’s as simple as calculating the winning percentages of opponents.

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    I understand:

    1984 BYU = 2016 Western Michigan.

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -- Robbie Bosco

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 14, 2018 12:25 p.m.

    utemythology

    “* 2004 Pitt dropped from AP #18 to #25 with 99 votes

    * Air Force was never ranked, they finished tied with Notre Dame with 25 votes.”

    Except for #1 votes, number of points is completely meaningless. The only thing that matters is ordinal ranking:

    In 1984, Air Force finished #24 in AP
    In 2004, Pitt finished #25 in AP

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 14, 2018 12:15 p.m.

    Some.BYU.Dude - Mesa, AZ
    May 14, 2018 11:33 a.m.
    Wait, why are there Utes talking ... you guys have fought for 5th place in the PAC-12 south. You keep bringing up BYU hasn't done anything recently, and, quite frankly, neither has Utah by your standards.

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    Why are you taking shots at Utah?

    Utah finished #35 nationally, which puts Utah 4th in the PAC-12 (2nd in South).

    BYU finished #112 nationally, which puts BYU 5th in the state.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 14, 2018 12:14 p.m.

    utemythology

    You obviously don’t understand SOS rankings if you think it’s as simple as calculating the winning percentages of opponents.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    May 14, 2018 11:33 a.m.

    Wait, why are there Utes talking like they're the big shots or how BYU's 1984 season means nothing because it was a while ago? Utes, 2008 was a decade ago. 2003 was 15 years ago. Since then, you guys have fought for 5th place in the PAC-12 south. You keep bringing up BYU hasn't done anything recently, and, quite frankly, neither has Utah by your standards. Your best season in the PAC-12 congratulated you with a bowl game in Vegas against BYU, who you continually demean. So, looks like you really haven't gotten anywhere.

    But, I mean, I guess you can use the PAC-12 logo on your stuff. Then again, so can Oregon State.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 14, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    @BYU Delusions

    1984 BYU #82 SOS
    2004 Utah #70 SOS
    2008 Utah #80 SOS

    BYU's 1984 defense would have shut down Utah's 2004 and 2008 offenses.

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    Yes, just like #1 total defense of TCU and #3 defense of Alabama shut down 2008 Utah.

    * 1984 BYU Opponents: 61-85-3 (42%)

    * 2008 Utah Opponents: 88-76 (54%) ... Sagarin #56 (3-0 vs top 30)

    * 2013 NC FSU Opponents: 96-83 (54%) ... Sagarin #62 (2-0 vs top 30)

    You need to come up with a new source.

  • Vegas Cougar Las Vegas, NV
    May 14, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    I agree with cjd1. It's way too difficult to get excited about coaching changes, commitments, etc. until games are played and wins outnumber losses.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    May 14, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    Bemorefair,
    I think a much better offense will be a help to the defense! If both sides can stay healthy then I predict a vast improvement from all 3 phases of the game! I really like what I have read so far about spring camp and the spring game! No turnovers or pre-snap penalties in less than ideal conditions give me reasons to be optimistic!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 14, 2018 10:33 a.m.

    Just the FAX - Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 14, 2018 6:55 a.m.
    azute1

    In 1984, BYU beat Air Force on the road. Air Force finished # 24 in the final AP poll, higher than Utah’s 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the final AP poll.

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    Wrong!

    * 2004 Pitt dropped from AP #18 to #25 with 99 votes

    * Air Force was never ranked, they finished tied with Notre Dame with 25 votes.

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    May 14, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    @AZUTE1:

    If you're projecting Beau Hoge as BYU's starter (or backup), then you clearly know nothing about BYU football.

    Please stick to Utah football, because I laugh at your lack of understanding of BYU football. And your cherry-picked stats make me chuckle, because I could do the same silly things with Utah football.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 14, 2018 9:57 a.m.

    1984 Weekly BYU Poll Rankings, starting with Week 1 to Final:

    AP - 13, 8, 6, 8, 7, 5, 7, 5, 4, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1
    Coaches - 12, 6, 4, 8, 6, 5, 5, 4, 3, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1

    So, from week 3 to week 4, voters dropped BYU from 6th and 4th, to 8th.

    azute1:

    "voters couldn’t undo their colossal error in ranking BYU and maintain their integrity"

    - completely FALSE claim since the voters did drop BYU in the rankings a couple of times

    "although many later admitted to having vastly overrated them"

    - you made that up

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    May 14, 2018 9:54 a.m.

    @cjd1:

    Nobody knows? Meh. I know they will be good. It was already on full display in spring ball in spite of several starters not even there. It was plain to see the OLine already had Grimes' fingerprints all over it. Yes, they will be very good this year if they stay healthy, especially by November.

    Yes, BYU will look like BYU of old this year.*

    * Unfortunately, that includes their defense. BYU fans can expect final scores this year that resemble basketball scores more than football. But it will definitely be entertaining!

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 14, 2018 8:47 a.m.

    @Aunty Mythology: “BYU beat THREE Top 25 teams on the road in their 1983 and 1984 24-game winning streak, including Rose Bowl winner UCLA.”

    @azute1: "Go ahead & detail whether these 3 schools finished ranked in the Top-20 & where..."

    @Air Force (10-2), finished #13/#15, beat Texas Tech, Notre Dame and Ole Miss
    @UCLA (7-4-1), finished #17/#13, destroyed Illinois in the Rose Bowl
    @Air Force (8-4), AP #24, beat Notre Dame and destroyed Va Tech in their bowl

    Ranked, or not, Air Force was still a Top 25 team in 1983, 1984, and 1985.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 14, 2018 8:28 a.m.

    azute1

    "By then, the voters couldn’t undo their colossal error in ranking BYU & maintain their integrity..."

    LOL! The delusion is strong in this one.

    The voters could have dropped BYU in the rankings anytime they wanted to without fearing even the slightest loss of integrity.

    In fact, the voters did drop BYU in the rankings a couple of times during the season.

    1984 Weekly BYU Poll Rankings, starting with Week 1 to Final:

    AP - 13, 8, 6, 8, 7, 5, 7, 5, 4, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1
    Coaches - 12, 6, 4, 8, 6, 5, 5, 4, 3, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    May 14, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    azute1

    BYU rankings under Bosco
    - #1 1984, SOS #82
    - #16 1985, SOS #71

    Utah rankings under Smith
    - #4 2004, #70
    #21 2003, #65

    Apples to Oranges, as Sos varied between them

    Not by much

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 14, 2018 6:55 a.m.

    azute1

    In 1984, BYU beat Air Force on the road. Air Force finished # 24 in the final AP poll, higher than Utah’s 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the final AP poll.

    BYU started 1984 in the pre-season Top 25, jumped to #13 in the first weekly poll, and into the Top 10 the second week as soon as Bosco proved he was a solid replacement for Steve Young.

    After four Top 12 finishes in the previous five seasons, BYU had earned the respect of the voters and eventually climbed to #1 in both major polls.

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have never earned the national respect required to be ranked #1 in any poll - only ranked once in the previous decade before 2004, and unranked three straight seasons before 2008.

    Those are all irrefutable facts that none of your whiny spin will ever change.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    May 13, 2018 11:25 p.m.

    Are we really arguing 1984 again?

    What's the point?

    BYU won a consensus NC. Nothing else really matters because it happened.

    Compared to those trying to invalidate the 1984 BYU NC the book "what happened" seems not bitter and rational.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 13, 2018 11:22 p.m.

    “BYU's 1984 defense would have shut down Utah's 2004 and 2008 offenses”

    Lololololol....Only in your wildest fantasies is this even remotely true.

    “Alex Smith was a miserable failure in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's never been an NFL or Super Bowl MVP.”

    Nah, he just simply had an incredible amount of coaching-turnover early on..And Nfl/Sb Mvp are absolutely 100% given out to very over the yrs, & oftentimes to the undeserving....Hardly a metric of relevance..Lol

    “BYU rankings under Bosco - #1 1984, #16 1985
    Utah rankings under Smith - #4 2004, #21 2003”

    Apples to oranges, as Sos varied between them

    Our 2 teams beat 5 finish ranked opponents, including 2 in the Top-10.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 13, 2018 11:16 p.m.

    “Upsets happen. Bosco led BYU to an 11-3, #16 AP, #17 Coaches final ranking in 1985, with blowout wins over #2 Washington and #5 Boston College from 1984, and wins over #8/#5 Air Force (12-1), THE best team in Air Force history, and a double-digit win over Utah (8-4).”

    ‘85 Uw wasn’t even remotely comparable to 11-1 ‘84 Uw & absolutely didn’t finish the yr ranked @ #2.

    ‘85 Uw lost to 3-8 Oregon State/4-7 Wazzu & barely escaped 6-6 Usc/7-5 Cu..Furthermore, ‘85 byu-p lost to 1-10 Utep..Just retorting Ls occur doesn’t mitigate this harsh reality.

    “Alex Smith lost to Texas A&M (4-8) and New Mexico (8-5) and barely beat BYU (4-8) 3-0 in 2003.”

    AS didn’t start that Tamu game & ‘85 byu lost to 1-10 Utep..As you pointed out, Unm was 3 games above .500..And a shutout is the most humiliating act in football.”

    “1984 BYU #82 SOS
    2004 Utah #70 SOS
    2008 Utah #80 SOS”

    Nope..’83 byu-p’s Sos ranked 3rd weakest & Sagarin had both of our Sos rankings much higher.

    “BYU's 1984 defense would have shut down Utah's 2004 and 2008 offenses”

    Lololololol....Only in your wildest fantasies is this even remotely true.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 13, 2018 10:45 p.m.

    “BYU beat more Top 25 teams on the road in 1984, than Utah did in 2004 and 2008 combined.”

    Nope....’84 byu-p beat zero finished ranked opponents in what was then the Top-20..And no, Af didn’t finish the yr ranked..Our ’04/‘08 teams beat 5 finish ranked opponents.

    “BYU beat THREE Top 25 teams on the road in their 1983 and 1984 24-game winning streak, including Rose Bowl winner UCLA.”

    Go ahead & detail whether these 3 schools finished ranked in the Top-20 & where @.

    “The voters were so impressed with BYU 1984, that both major polls ranked BYU #1 by mid-November.”

    So impressed, ‘84 byu-p started the yr unranked..After barely beating Pitt, they vaulted up to #13, due to voters not realizing how awful Pitt was for 2 more wks when Ou hit town and annihilated Pitt..Pitt finished a miserable 3-7-1/unranked/bowl-less.

    By then, the voters couldn’t undo their colossal error in ranking byu-p & maintain their integrity, although many later admitted to having vastly overrated them.

    Then stronger teams ahead of byu-p would lose to other stronger teams & all byu-p had to do was to continue barely beating “Bo Diddley Techs” & then slide into the vacated spots above them.

    Go Utes!

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 13, 2018 10:25 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Utah was only ranked #7 in both polls at the end of the regular season"

    That final poll is inconvenient for you, isn't it?

    Not at all, but the final regular season rankings do prove that Utah wasn't even a contender for the NC in either 2004 or 2008.

    Final 1984
    AP #1 BYU (38), #2 Wash (16), #3 Florida (3)
    Coaches #1 BYU (38), #2 Wash (3), #3 Florida (3)

    Final 2004
    AP #1 USC (62), #2 Auburn (3), #3 Oklahoma, #4 Utah
    Coaches #1 USC (61), #2 Auburn, #3 Oklahoma, #4 Texas, #5 Utah

    Final 2008
    AP #1 Florida (48), #2 Utah (16), #3 USC (1)
    Coaches #1 Florida (60), #2 USC, #3 Texas, #4 Utah (1)

    BYU 1984 was ranked #1 in both major poll from the 3rd week in November until the Final polls.

    The Utes have never been ranked #1 in any major at any point in any season in their entire football history.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 13, 2018 10:10 p.m.

    @Lone*Star: "Not nearly as many as were on BYU’s 1984 National Championship roster."

    @azute1: "Pure tripe and you know it."

    A 100% accurate, totally verifiable FACT, about which you're obviously clueless.

    @azute1: "Speaking of ‘85..."

    Yawn...

    Upsets happen. Bosco led BYU to an 11-3, #16 AP, #17 Coaches final ranking in 1985, with blowout wins over #2 Washington and #5 Boston College from 1984, and wins over #8/#5 Air Force (12-1), THE best team in Air Force history, and a double-digit win over Utah (8-4).

    Alex Smith lost to Texas A&M (4-8) and New Mexico (8-5) and barely beat BYU (4-8) 3-0 in 2003.

    @azute1: "...both of our ‘04/‘08 teams faced a significantly tougher SOS; BYU's was the 3rd weakest SOS nationally"

    Pure tripe and you know it.

    1984 BYU #82 SOS
    2004 Utah #70 SOS
    2008 Utah #80 SOS

    BYU's 1984 defense would have shut down Utah's 2004 and 2008 offenses.

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    azute1: "AS ended up the #1 overall draft pick".

    Alex Smith was a miserable failure in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's never been an NFL or Super Bowl MVP.

    BYU rankings under Bosco - #1 1984, #16 1985
    Utah rankings under Smith - #4 2004, #21 2003

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 13, 2018 7:36 p.m.

    “Not nearly as many as were on BYU’s 1984 National Championship roster.”

    Pure tripe and you know it.

    “Bosco finished 3rd in the Heisman and won the Sammy Baugh Trophy (nation’s best passer) in 1984 and 1985.”

    Speaking of ‘85 byu-p—

    “On Oct. 26, 1985, the then-No. 7 ranked Cougars — the defending national champions — fell to lowly, previously winless UTEP, 23-16, in El Paso. Just how stunning was UTEP's victory? BYU was a 35-point favorite. UTEP registered one of the biggest, and most improbable, upsets in college football history.. The Miners went on to post a 1-10 record in '85.”

    GO UTES!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 13, 2018 7:33 p.m.

    “Smith finished 4th in the Heisman and wasn’t even considered in the Sammy Baugh.”

    AS ended up the #1 overall draft pick & continues to be a starting NFL QB right up to this very day.

    How many byu-p QBs were ever chosen #1 overall?

    Furthermore, both of our ‘04/‘08 teams faced a significantly tougher SOS [byu-p’s was the 3rd weakest SOS nationally] & would’ve straight annihilated ‘84 byu-p, period.

    GO UTES!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 13, 2018 6:55 p.m.

    “Not nearly as many as were on BYU’s 1984 National Championship roster.”

    Pure tripe.

    “BYU beat more Top 25 teams on the road in 1984, than Utah did in 2004 and 2008 combined.”

    Actually’84 byu beat not a single finish ranked opponent, home or away..And they only ranked 20 schools back then, therefore Af didn’t finish the yr ranked.

    “BYU beat THREE Top 25 teams on the road in their 1983 and 1984 24-game winning streak, including RB winner UCLA.”

    Go ahead & list the final top-20 rankings of these schools.

    “The voters were so impressed with BYU 1984, that both major polls ranked BYU #1 by mid-Nov.”

    They were so impressed w/byu-p, they started them off unranked & only catapulted them up to #13 after barely beating Pitt, not yet knowing how utterly awful Pitt was [they finished the yr 3-7-1 & unranked/bowlless] ‘til 2 wks later when Ou hit town & annihilated Pitt.

    By then, the voters couldn’t undo it, & maintain their integrity, & reclassify byu-p much further down the rankings, but wanted to.

    Then as better teams ahead of byu-p beat each other while byu-p was beating “Bo Diddley Techs”, they moved up into their vacated spots..byu-p backed into their Nc, period.

    Go Utes!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2018 6:37 p.m.

    JustTheFakes "Utah was only ranked #7 in both polls at the end of the regular season"
    That final poll is inconvenient for you, isn't it?
    Utah #2 AP with 16 first place votes.
    Utah #4 Coaches with 1 first place vote.

    If you're going to cherry pick, why not week 9 -- the week before the Utes cracked the top 10?

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    May 13, 2018 5:34 p.m.

    Well I think Mr. Harmon forgot one legit potential accomplishment, but most likely it has happened. But let's not forget that Grimes has never ever been an Offensive Coordinator, in 18 years, nobody promoted him up to that position, or thought he had the potential. That is a long time to be in charge of just one position. It is a huge stretch of the imagination to think that somebody with 18 years as a position coach could suddenly take charge of everything on the offensive side of the ball. I don't understand how anyone in Provo could think that getting Grimes was a huge get, or that the SEC let somebody slip away. Sitaki is taking a tremendous risk in handing over the reigns to somebody who has not ever held them.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 13, 2018 3:58 p.m.

    azute1

    "We beat more finish ranked opponents in ‘04/‘08..."

    BYU beat more Top 25 teams on the road in 1984, than Utah did in 2004 and 2008 combined.

    BYU beat THREE Top 25 teams on the road in their 1983 and 1984 24-game winning streak, including Rose Bowl winner UCLA.

    The voters were so impressed with BYU 1984, that both major polls ranked BYU #1 by mid-November.

    The voters were so unimpressed with Utah 2008, that Utah was only ranked #7 in both polls at the end of the regular season,

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 13, 2018 3:41 p.m.

    When the actually games start I think Grimes will have two major accomplishments:

    1. He will put a much more disciplined offensive unit on the field.

    2. He won't wait until the first game to start assessing how much of the playbook the offense can actually run.

    3. His offensive unit will cross the fifty yard line in every game

    4. His offense will win more games than Detmar's offense.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 13, 2018 3:36 p.m.

    azute1

    “Do you seriously not know the # of kids off of our ‘04 team that made it into The Nfl & had lengthy/productive yrs once there?”

    Not nearly as many as were on BYU’s 1984 National Championship roster.

    Bosco finished 3rd in the Heisman and won the Sammy Baugh Trophy (nation’s best passer) in 1984 and 1985.

    Injuries cut Bosco’s NFL career short.

    Smith finished 4th in the Heisman and wasn’t even considered in the Sammy Baugh.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 13, 2018 1:50 p.m.

    “Utah ‘earned’ their invitation to play barely ranked #25 Pitt, by beating three 7-5 teams.”

    We absolutely 100% earned our invitation by annihilating each of our opponents.

    Do you seriously not know the # of kids off of our ‘04 team that made it into The Nfl & had lengthy/productive yrs once there?

    Like our ‘08 team, we were straight loaded w/Nfl players, including a Heisman runner-up/#1 overall Nfl draft pick.

    We beat more finish ranked opponents in ‘04/‘08 than byu-p did in the entirety of their “glory” yrs, 70s/80s.

    Go Utes!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 13, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    “BYU will beat Arizona in Tucson. They will beat Utah in SLC. There I said it. As I said, talk is big. My prediction has zero predictive power. Likewise with your silly predictions.”

    bluedoggy:

    Seems like AZUte’s predictions are no sillier than yours.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2018 11:44 a.m.

    Accomplishment #1 should be "has taken the heat off of Sitake".

    For now.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    May 13, 2018 11:28 a.m.

    Finally, an article about Utah Utes football!

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    May 13, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    "...because Zach has shown he can compete."

    Competing against BYU-P's defense is not much of a yardstick.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    May 13, 2018 9:16 a.m.

    Grimes has coached at BYU (golden days?), Boise State, Auburn (or Alabama), LSU, and now BYU. I went to the spring game. Night and day difference from year before. Every QB moved the ball. Squally hit the holes hard, other RB's looked really good. Fly sweeps. Great passes. Two minor penalties. And most seniors were watching. Defense was not first string, but the objective was to get the kids playing. Don't recall a defensive penalty. Kicking looked good.

    As for AZ Ute, talk is big. BYU will beat Arizona in Tucson. They will beat Utah in SLC. There I said it. As I said, talk is big. My prediction has zero predictive power. Likewise with your silly predictions. And BYU must be your daddy. You make the same silly comments on every BYU article.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    May 13, 2018 8:33 a.m.

    cjd1- This is just the beginning of the buildup to the pre-season national championship. Get used to it.

  • Howard S. West Jordan, UT
    May 13, 2018 7:41 a.m.

    Of course Dick is being modest in his characterization of the stature of BYU in the world of college football...

    "to help lift a four-win BYU team back to its rightful place as a traditional collegiate football brand."

    Really, Dick?

    You know as well as anyone that BYU never left its rightful place as a traditional collegiate football brand. The eventd of 1984 took care of that little detail forever.

    Grimes is not here to lift BYU... rather Grimes recognized that he could be lifted by association with one of the greatest brands in all of college football... a brand known as a household name across the globe.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    May 13, 2018 1:31 a.m.

    People are so funny and uninformed in what they say. But they will say it anyway.

    EVERY great head coach and EVERY great coordinator at one time was a first time head coach or coordinator. Someone gave them a chance based on success at other positions, recommendations or personal relationship with those doing the hiring, or having assembled a wide variety of experience. Now they have a chance to make a statement about their own coaching ability. I suppose BYU could have hired some journyman coach with "experiance" but remember, Lavell Edwards had no head coaching experiance nor did Mendenhall. Gary Crowton did.

    I like the various experience of this set of coaches and believe they will be effective for BYU. I also beleive that Grimes would not have returned to BYU if he did not think that it would bolster his resume by working with a successfull team.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    May 13, 2018 12:22 a.m.

    Not much...

    “I recall a meaningful game I attended in Tempe against WVU in January 2005. That was a first of some meaningful accomplishment, the details of which escape me at the moment.”

    Really?

    Utah’s opponent was Pitt, which finished in a 4-way tie for 1st in a 7-team conference.

    Utah “earned” their invitation to play barely ranked #25 Pitt, by beating three 7-5 teams.

  • Not Much of a Fan Irvine, CA
    May 12, 2018 11:57 p.m.

    blue n gold:

    "Despite their arrogant opinion of themselves, the Utes have never been anything whatsoever meaningful."

    I recall a meaningful game I attended in Tempe against WVU in January 2005. That was a first of some meaningful accomplishment, the details of which escape me at the moment.

    Oh, and I recall another meaningful game in January 2009 in New Orleans against a school with a decent football program. Wish I could have been there in person, but then I would have missed watching Barry Switzerland eating crow.

    Since this is an article about BYU, l congratulate Jake for an articulate evaluation of Grimes, even at this early stage. Grimes is the taskmaster they need. Remember that the Fiesta Bowl Utes were McBride recruits toughened and coached up by a new taskmaster in town.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 12, 2018 11:30 p.m.

    O line was in need of tons of work! Great news.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 12, 2018 10:27 p.m.

    @front ranger: “Utah-SLC hasn’t been anything whatsoever meaningful since joining the PAC 12.”

    Despite their arrogant opinion of themselves, the Utes have never been anything whatsoever meaningful.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    May 12, 2018 10:18 p.m.

    I was disappointed that we did not hire an experienced head coach. We paid the price last season and probably this year as well. I likewise was disappointed that we hired a man to be OC who had never done the job. He will have to learn as well. I wish I could see a winning season in front of us but I can't.

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    May 12, 2018 9:54 p.m.

    looking more and more like that u crying closet will come in handy for u fans.

  • front ranger Loveland, CO
    May 12, 2018 9:48 p.m.

    uteology

    Utah-SLC hasn’t been anything whatsoever meaningful since joining the PAC 12.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 12, 2018 9:45 p.m.

    “BYU Cougars

    Current Projected Starter: Beau Hoge, Soph.

    Here’s the problem. BYU has a TON of quarterbacks to play around with, but unless Tanner Mangum can return from his torn Achilles’ heel, there’s a problem. Hoge was hurt late, a few freshmen will need to play a role, and someone has to produce. Expect Mangum to be a factor, though, early on.”

    “Utah Utes

    Current Projected Starter: Tyler Huntley, Jr.

    Can Huntley be more consistent? If he is, look out – the Ute offense will blow up. New recruit Jack Tuttle is a terrific passer who might just win the No. 2 job right away.”

    GO UTES!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 12, 2018 9:17 p.m.

    “....a four-win BYU team back to its rightful place as a traditional collegiate football brand.”

    Rightful? 😂 Lol....They haven’t been anything whatsoever meaningful since ‘96, period.

    Long gone are their glory yrs [‘70s/‘80s]....And 2.14 avg star rating recruiting classes aren’t moving any needle forward, period.

    Zero during current Bcs/Cfp Era....Zero Bcs bowl games/Ws, zero Cfp Poll rankings, haven’t finish ranked in nearly a decade, haven’t beat a P5 finish ranked opponent in over 2 decades, merely 1 single undefeated yr, asterisked, in their entire history—34 yrs ago against the nation’s 3rd weakest Sos, etc., period.

    Oh, & most importantly, having become our annual punching bag to the tune of 7 straight & counting, 12/15 & 17/25, period.

    Midmajor forever.

    Who’s your Daddy?

    GO UTES!

    p.s. His offensive philosophy doesn’t account for the blatantly utter lack of playable talent/depth @ byu-p....He’s no longer @ Au/Lsu, people, period.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    May 12, 2018 8:55 p.m.

    I thought item #3 was pretty telling "enable coaches" This is precisely what Satiki should have done in the first place with Detmer and the rest of the assistant coaches. Maybe he will get it right this time? If it doesn't work out, and BYU has another rotten year, will BYU be looking for another offensive coach, or will they look for a veteran head coach? Former coach Mendenhall had to learn on the fly, but he was a defensive genius to start with.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 12, 2018 8:08 p.m.

    I heard he’s already beaten little brother seven straight times.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    May 12, 2018 7:57 p.m.

    Nobody knows if Grimes has accomplished anything until some games are played. Stop it.