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  • WillCall Bountiful, UT
    March 24, 2018 4:42 p.m.

    Riverton:

    Your latest checked all the boxes described in my previous post, on each topic. Congratulations.

    I've been to Texas. BYU-P is no Texas to anyone but delusional coog fans.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 24, 2018 2:09 p.m.

    @John

    So let me get this straight. Somebody put herself in a situation that violates the Honor Code and does something that breaks the Honor Code, ends up getting raped while there, and when she gets kicked out you claim it was because of getting raped, and not the other actual Honor Code violations?

    Well, that kind of "logic" is something we'd expect from a BYU hater.

    "Nobody likes the hubris, sense of entitlement, and holier-than-thou attitude€”particularly when it comes with a persecution complex if those things are pointed out."

    You're greatly exaggerating (also something we'd expect from a BYU hater). Also, it could be said that Texas matches the description. Are you saying that they don't belong? Well, I hate to break it to you, but the only reason Utah is in the PAC is because Texas didn't want to be.

    The fact is that BYU meets the criteria on many levels for P5 membership, but for political reasons has been left out (particularly from the PAC). To try to claim its because of sports inferiority is false. But you have made it clear that no amount of facts will prevent you from being an irrational BYU hater, so go back to your fantasy land where BYU is what you claim.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 24, 2018 9:37 a.m.

    “When they mentioned that she violated the Honor Code, it wasn't because of being a sexual assault victim.”

    Riverton:

    It was because she was in an “unapproved” environment when she was raped. And as if rape wasn’t punishment enough, BYU-P wanted to punish her some more. That was okay with some people, but thankfully the absurdity of it all awakened some common sense in others, resulting in an amnesty policy.

    “why would that mean BYU is undeserving of P5 membership?”

    I guess you don’t get it. Nobody likes the hubris, sense of entitlement, and holier-than-thou attitude—particularly when it comes with a persecution complex if those things are pointed out.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 24, 2018 12:33 a.m.

    @John

    I'm not in deep denial. Either you are, or you are ignorant on the situation. They didn't kick her out for being a sexual assault victim. When they mentioned that she violated the Honor Code, it wasn't because of being a sexual assault victim.

    I'm guessing it's denial.

    "It’s the BYU-P 'uber alles' attitude that’s at the heart of P5 exclusion."

    Oh boy, you just don't get it. First of all, they weren't saying that. Second of all, why would that mean BYU is undeserving of P5 membership? You really need to lay off the hate.

    "I use that term as the sponsoring institution once used it. My intent is to bring coog fans a little humility, but, obviously, it’s an uphill battle."

    Then why don't you call them Brigham Young Academy? And I'm pretty sure your intent is not to bring humility. Your hatred comes out loud and clear.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 23, 2018 11:55 p.m.

    John,

    You posted a part of a long story - we don't need to debate it all over again because the core facts, what she did or did not do, are not fully disclosed, but it has been stated that the reasons for her investigation are unrelated to the night in which she was a victim - that's a strong enough statement to know that there was something else. Although BYU certainly isn't perfect, I'm glad that her privacy wasn't sacrificed to put an end to a story that doesn't have all of the facts; if she were to consent or release the entire event then we'd all know, but BYU isn't going to release her personal details without her consent and she seems to like the one sided story.

    But I appreciate your quest of giving humility to BYU fans. might I ask why?

    Maybe you should ask yourself why?

    Of course BYU fans will always see things from the BYU angle, and those who don't like BYU will see them from another angle - doesn't mean that either perspective is wrong, it's perspective and your point of view is great for you, mine is great for myself - imposing our points of view on each other is small minded and intolerant. But you probably just think I'm not humble in saying that.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 23, 2018 3:34 p.m.

    “You're only fooling yourself . . . implying that BYU kicks students out because they are victims of assault.”

    Riverton coog:

    Oh, my. You are in deep denial, or you’ve lived under a rock. From an April 15, 2016 DNews story:

    “[O]ne woman who commented during the event was a 19-year-old student from California, who said a friend of the man accused of raping her had contacted the Honor Code office about a school conduct rule she had violated.
    . . . [T]he woman relayed a story about receiving a phone call from the Honor Code office. "The question was not: How are you doing? How can we help? But we’ve heard that you’ve broken the Honor Code, and we need to talk with you," she said.
    This week, a Utah County deputy attorney addressed the woman's case, saying prosecutors are frustrated with BYU for brushing aside their requests by blocking the woman from registering for classes due to a pending Honor Code investigation.”

    It’s the BYU-P “uber alles” attitude that’s at the heart of P5 exclusion. I use that term as the sponsoring institution once used it. My intent is to bring coog fans a little humility, but, obviously, it’s an uphill battle.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 23, 2018 1:41 p.m.

    @John

    Just keep telling yourself that if it helps you feel better. You're only fooling yourself with your implications that facilities and a national championship were the only things BYU had going for them. Or implying that BYU kicks students out because they are victims of assault.

    But you are at least finally acknowledging that there was more politics involved, although of course you are desperately trying to portray BYU in the most negative light as you can possibly think of.

    News flash: The rest of the nation doesn't hate BYU as much as you do.

    And while I'm sure there are non-BYU haters who feel BYU doesn't belong, they are in a minority. You can also find people who say Utah doesn't belong, or almost any school that is in a P5 conference that doesn't belong.

    P.S. Are you saying BYU-P because you think I might mistake it for BYU-Idaho or BYU-Hawaii, or is it just a juvenile attempt to denigrate BYU because you somehow think including the city name is a put-down? Are Cal students offended when it's called "Berkeley", or Texas students offended when it's called UT-Austin? So why would we be? It really just makes you look more desperate, nothing more.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 23, 2018 1:20 p.m.

    Riverton coog:

    Evidently, you didn’t read my post. Indeed there is more to belonging than facilities and past glories. One factor is reputation. Utah and TCU were humble and eager to be team players. In contrast, BYU-P’s haughty demands over rebroadcast rights in 2010-11 didn’t go over well in the Big12, nor did its expulsion of sexual assualt victims last year when Baylor was taking heat.

    So, no, there are plenty of people who are not BYU-P haters who, for these reasons and more, think the school still doesn’t belong.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    March 23, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    To correct my mistake from a prior post, an update:

    Or, look at BYU's most recent national championship which was in Women's Racquetball, March 17, 2018. This was BYU's 28th national championship if including both NCAA (10) and club sports (18).

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 23, 2018 8:11 a.m.

    @JohnInSLC

    Did you even read my post? I'm not saying Utah has no positives (in fact, I give Utah so much more credit than any of you BYU haters give BYU any credit). I'm just saying at the time BYU had at least as good of a sports resume as Utah did, so claiming Utah is in because they belong and BYU is out because they don't isn't accurate.

    You bring up academics, but I already mentioned that academics wasn't a deal-breaker. The only people in denial as to why it was Utah & Colorado who were picked to join the PAC are Ute "fans". BYU haters are pretty much the only people in the entire nation that claim that BYU doesn't belong in a P5 conference. Whether or not they get invited is a different matter since there are a lot of factors involved; it's not as simple as "all good football teams are P5, period, and all not-good football teams are not P5, period", as much as you Ute "fans" like to pretend.

    "Fantasy land is for those who can't accept those facts and reality."

    Yes, so you and your fellow Ute "fans" can stay there; I'm not joining you there.

  • PhxBlue Henderson, NV
    March 22, 2018 9:59 p.m.

    Independence would work...if we could sack up and actually WIN the big games! The memory and record books show the losses, not the fact that we lost by 3 points.

    I don't think it's a conference problem because we've scheduled some amazing teams. It's a mental toughness problem.

    Generational issues, and the coaches haven't helped.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 22, 2018 5:49 p.m.

    “Didn't Byu beat Utah in basketball this year?”

    dski:

    Yep, your high point, and our low point. My, how things changed.

  • drski eden, UT
    March 22, 2018 3:56 p.m.

    Didn't Byu beat Utah in basketball this year??

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 22, 2018 2:36 p.m.

    "But if it helps you feel better to pretend that Utah is in a P5 conference because they belong and BYU is not because they don't, have at it. I prefer facts and reality, personally."

    Riverton coog:

    Well, the fact, and reality, is that in addition to its then-recent high profile BCS games and multiple NCAA tourney appearances, Utah also brought a tier one research profile, a higher global academic ranking, and a significant TV market (compare the games' viewer ratings during that era--and since--before you knee-jerk a denial). Not to mention that BYU-P diva-flubbed their first audition with the Big12, and were denied during the BIg12's subsequent flirtation with expansion, leaving no hope of P5 "belonging" in sight. The subsequent slide since the grand independence experiment confirms it.

    Fantasy land is for those who can't accept those facts and reality.

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    In my opinion the upper powers for BYU-p feel it is more important to play games all over the country so there members can watch the team play and for missionary work. Being in a conference and winning titles just don’t matter. So yes they are happy with the status quo.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 22, 2018 7:56 a.m.

    "Utah was invited, repeat, invited, one more time, INVITED, to have a seat at the big boy table. It was one of the greatest accomplishments in the modern era of college athletics. Utah earned the invitation to join the PAC-12 by performing at such a high level that they could not be overlooked anymore. Provo fans can rise and shout and beg and plead all they want, but nobody is offering an invitation to them."

    There's a lot of truth to this, but there's also more to it. This implies that in 2010 when the PAC expanded, Utah was performing at such a high level that they couldn't be ignored, while BYU wasn't performing at such a high level and didn't make the cut. That's not the case. In fact, if you look at the 4 years preceding the 2010 invite, BYU was the far better option with their sports performing at a higher level. But we all know that it wasn't just about sports, or just about academics (Oklahoma State got a good look, and would have been invited along with OU, Texas, and Texas Tech).

    But if it helps you feel better to pretend that Utah is in a P5 conference because they belong and BYU is not because they don't, have at it. I prefer facts and reality, personally.

  • Klaus2012 Rexburg, ID
    March 22, 2018 7:34 a.m.

    "The end of BYU could be within 20 years." That is a head scratcher.

    Unfortunately BYU programs that excel in sports are not the "flagship" sports that get the attention. Maybe the Rugby team should play at Lavelle Edwards Stadium and have the football team play at Provo high.

    Aside from that football needs a head coach that can coach players that do not have the talent that the program used to attract. Bring in coach Ken from Navy (if he would leave that job)? A guy who can compete with, smaller, slower players. Have him run the option near 5000 feet and get the lowland teams with their hands on their hips at half-time. Plus he teaches discipline.

    In reality, are the head coaching jobs for basketball and football really that appealing? Something needs to change, culture, attitiude, something that will make the university appealing to athletes and coaches.

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    March 21, 2018 10:49 p.m.

    Dear D-Pal, many recognize what a huge accomplishment that the Utes earned and rewarded for with membership in the PAC-12. History was made repeatedly, first team to break into the BCS, first team to do it twice, first team to win a BCS bowl game, etc. Yes, TCU accomplished the move up as well. Boise State came close, but what Utah was able to do was incredible. The fact that the Utes are competitive and can pretty much hold their own in a power five conference is ground breaking. But go ahead and down play the accomplishment, I know it makes you feel better about your teams permanent situation.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 21, 2018 10:15 p.m.

    BYU basketball is a joke. It is akin to church ball. Football has fallen into a death spiral and I suspect a sub .500 season again this year. No talent No wins. I suspect you will get the usual 45000 fans that show up for nachos and half time fun but I don't see the stadium ever getting back to 65000 again. The question is how much longer will the Church carry these expensive programs which are not paying for themselves anymore? The Marriott Center is half full on a good night and in Football you are starting to see empty end zones. The sad thing there is nothing that can be done about it. BYU does not belong in NCAA athletics anymore which is fully PC and liberal. I could see the time when BYU is not an accredited school anymore either. The same liberal forces control accreditation. I could see that happening with in 15 years. Then what?? An over sized seminary or extension to the MTC? The end of BYU could be within 20 years.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 21, 2018 10:06 p.m.

    BYU sports is about as exciting as green jello with pears in it. This school is degrading into more of an intramural program

  • dpal Provo, UT
    March 21, 2018 8:54 p.m.

    JD-Las Vegas. Are you serious? Utah getting into the PAC12 "was one of the greatest accomplishments in the modern era of college athletics." Maybe to you. I don't think you'll find many people in the country (other than other Ute fans) who would put it on that high of a pedestal. LOL

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    March 21, 2018 7:27 p.m.

    Fans of that small blue team in Provo continue to make comments about Utah going to the PAC-12, as if the Utes just showed up one day on the front porch of the conference of champions and they opened the door and let them in. Provo fans don't seem to remember or can't quite get their fingers to type the reality of what really happened. Utah was invited, repeat, invited, one more time, INVITED, to have a seat at the big boy table. It was one of the greatest accomplishments in the modern era of college athletics. Utah earned the invitation to join the PAC-12 by performing at such a high level that they could not be overlooked anymore. Provo fans can rise and shout and beg and plead all they want, but nobody is offering an invitation to them. Provo fans should really focus their efforts on improving the average to below average performances and results rather then spending so much time and energy mocking and hissing at all the success the Utes have had. Work harder, make better choices, and EARN others respect, is really the only way to get invited to sit at the big boy table.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2018 6:40 p.m.

    @toosmartforyou - Kaysville, UT

    Sorry, Ute posters, I'm not buying all your anti-Y antics and think perhaps you're mired in the bottom third of the weakest P-5 Conference, who went a mighty 1 - 8 in bowls last year. And before you crow about "at least we went to a bowl and we won it" look in the mirror regarding your first two seasons in he PAC and explain why it took you 12 games to become bowl eligible this past year in such a weak conference.

    ----

    Utah finished #35 nationally, 5th in PAC-12.

    BYU finished #112 nationally, 5th in state.

  • rok Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2018 5:13 p.m.

    Why waste your time hating on each other.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 21, 2018 4:36 p.m.

    "And before you crow about 'at least we went to a bowl and we won it' look in the mirror regarding your first two seasons in he PAC"

    nottoosmart:

    I did, and lo, and behold, there in 2011 was the Ute's Sun Bowl win against Ga Tech. (Before you post Ute-hating snark, it would be smart to get the facts right.)

  • Valhalla Alpine, UT
    March 21, 2018 4:32 p.m.

    I would like to thank the Mountain West for their timely reminder of why we left this league in the first place. Go Cougs!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2018 4:16 p.m.

    How embarrassing for the utes to be owned over the last 15 years by a mid-major basketball program on the decline.
    Makes one wonder who is the real mid-major program in Utah, regardless of conference affiliation?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 21, 2018 3:54 p.m.

    Thanks to the Ute fans who point out BYU's mediocrity.

    Yet Utah has yet to win a thing in the PAC 12. Sorry, guys. Go back to your humble abode and enjoy watching your big brothers and enjoying the occasional upset of Oregon State or somebody. They were the only PAC12 team to win a bowl game, though. Who was that? I haven't the slightest idea. Didn't watch. Neither did anybody else. Did watch the Utah game in Seattle, though. Brave effort, but .... scoreboard. Utah did squeak by BYU last season ... against the worst BYU team in 50 years. That's something to brag about for sure. Enjoy.

    Better luck to my Dawgs and Cougs this year.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    March 21, 2018 3:54 p.m.

    When the Y went 9 - 4 a year before they happened to have their worst year in the last 50, no one was saying independence wasn't working, that they should drop to Div II, or that the program was going to flame out.

    Sorry, Ute posters, I'm not buying all your anti-Y antics and think perhaps you're mired in the bottom third of the weakest P-5 Conference, who went a mighty 1 - 8 in bowls last year. And before you crow about "at least we went to a bowl and we won it" look in the mirror regarding your first two seasons in he PAC and explain why it took you 12 games to become bowl eligible this past year in such a weak conference.

    No, there is no need to panic. Athletics are cyclical, regardless of the advice and evaluation of sports writers.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 21, 2018 1:56 p.m.

    “Independence was supposed to improve recruiting. Hiring Sitake was supposed to improved recruiting.“

    Recruiting has been declining under Sitake, although it’s not as if Bronco tore it up, but Sitake is taking it even further down.

    byu’s avg star rating dropped down to an utterly miserable 2.14 in their most recent recruiting class.

    byu was even more so mired in their annual 2 star recruiting bonanza in this last class.

    As a result, we’re no longer hearing about how, “There’s a new sheriff in town!”

    Reality is settling in down there in provo!

    GO UTES!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    March 21, 2018 1:56 p.m.

    So if BYU is still a strong athletic program because they are in the top 20 of the Directors Cup, is Princeton even more of a power at #13.

    The Learfield thing is fine but remember it includes sports like archery, field hockey, and cross country. Winning the women’s soccer champion earns as many points as winning the football playoffs or the NCAA basketball tournament.

    Again, it is great to be in the top 20 of this competition but keep it in perspective.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 21, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    “Why didn't these same anonymous sources weigh in when they were winning under Jamaal Williams and Taysom Hill?“

    Which good P5 schools did those 2 beat? If you come back w/an answer of 1+ schools, list the respective final records/rankings of these schools.

    “To the Mountain West Wire, I just wanted to add that while BYU is 19th in the Director's Cup for Fall 2017 which does include BYU's disaster of a football season, the highest placing Mountain West Conference team is Boise State at 27th!”

    How many sports does byu field compared to BSU & other MWC members, as # of sports programs factors hugely into where a school finishes ranked?

    FWIW, I’ve never ever heard another fanbase even remotely mention this particular ranking when discussing their various athletic programs, outside of byu’s fanbase....Bizarre.

    GO UTES!

  • Crazy in California Acampo, CA
    March 21, 2018 12:18 p.m.

    I should say; BYU, who do they think they are anyway?!

    BYU should stop thinking they are "so good" and do what we tell them too.

    BYU's problem is, they've never learned their place.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2018 12:18 p.m.

    "BYU had an especially bad year in football. One year does not a trend make. "
    Do 7 years make a trend? Last year was an especially bad end to a 7 year downward slide. What if last year wasn't an anomaly?

    "But we make more money."
    Is that really what a sports fan wants? I am a Lions fan, and every year endure their failure to make the Super Bowl. Never have I consoled myself with "well, at least the Lions are profitable!"

    BYU fans love to brag on accomplishments, so a 7 year drought frustrates. Boise State was a top dog in at the G5 level, why not BYU? BYU has the talent to complete very well at that level. Independence was supposed to improve recruiting. Hiring Sitake was supposed to improved recruiting. Neither has worked. Get back to what you you do best. MWC or AAC will return BYU to earning accomplishments again.

  • Doogie South Jordan, Utah
    March 21, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    I agree with 65Toss, I think BYUs window of opportunity at P5 membership has closed and that they should eat some humble pie and return to the MWC. They can still schedule 2 to 3 P5 teams a year to beef up their schedule plus they would have a conference championship to play for. One can see that things have changed since they went indy, especially in the political correctness world we live in and that among other things will be more than a formidable challenge to get any traction towards P5 conference membership. The powers that be need at BYU need to wake up to that fact and join a conference that wants them. The course they are currently on was not their first choice anyways and the WCC was a safety net they fell into.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    March 21, 2018 11:51 a.m.

    @ Kralon - HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA - March 21, 2018 11:11 a.m. - "To the Mountain West Wire, I just wanted to add that while BYU is 19th in the Director's Cup for Fall 2017 which does include BYU's disaster of a football season, the highest placing Mountain West Conference team is Boise State at 27th! So, Mountain West, look no further than at your own conference members for "dwindling" sports programs!"

    Zinga!

    Facts are pesky things, aren't they? That won't stop many Utah fans from claiming otherwise, but who cares?

    Go Cougars!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 21, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    Give it a rest. BYU had one losing season with dozens of injuries in football. Basketball had tons of freshmen and sophomores and still competed well versus Gonzaga and St. Mary's at times, and took down little bro. Lighten up, the program isn't as down as the media wants us to believe.

    Taysom has a serious future in New Orleans. I'll never forget his special teams hits. Wow were they impressive, and I love seeing his coach smile at his enthusiasm.

  • mtmdrum Boise, ID
    March 21, 2018 11:48 a.m.

    Regarding comment by ConradZurch about BYU dropping to Division II......that is so far out in left field, you should be barred from future posts. People need to relax and have some patience.

  • 86&90UTE Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    As a Utah fan, I would like to make a few observation regarding BYU football. BYU and Utah left the MWC together. Utah thought they would be good enough to compete weekly in the PAC-12, but they were deficient on depth of talent to be successful in this league. It has taken many years of improved recruiting, which being in the PAC-12 provided, to fill this gap. Now, Utah does match up well talent-wise with much of the PAC-12. 7-6 record with close losses to Stanford at home and UW and USC on the road show this. Byu’s initial Indy schedules were horrible and the wins were there. Now, starting with last year’s schedule, and looking at the next 3 years, BYU is playing a P5 schedule. However, recruiting has not improved over that same time. Unless that happens, BYU is going to have to be satisfied with 5-7 seasons or they are going to have to back off on scheduling good P5 opponents.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    March 21, 2018 11:11 a.m.

    To the Mountain West Wire, I just wanted to add that while BYU is 19th in the Director's Cup for Fall 2017 which does include BYU's disaster of a football season, the highest placing Mountain West Conference team is Boise State at 27th!

    So, Mountain West, look no further than at your own conference members for "dwindling" sports programs!

  • FuzzyLogic VACAVILLE, CA
    March 21, 2018 10:56 a.m.

    It's often said that perception is reality. Perception is really just perception. BYU had an epically bad year in football. One year does not a trend make. Independent football is often more difficult than it was in the MWC, but I think it's more fun. I like seeing us play teams from all around the country.

    For basketball if Gonzaga leaves, it'll be easier to grab that one bid and make it to the NCAA tournament every year. Basketball in the MWC isn't much better than the WCC and if Gonzaga goes, they will rule the roost and everyone else will be shutout just like in the WCC.

    The rest of our sports are doing great. Being in the MWC wouldn't change anything for volleyball, rugby (club), and soccer (M). In fact, I think the level of competition may be higher or at least unchanged for the Olympic sports in the WCC than the MWC.

  • Stanton Spokane, WA
    March 21, 2018 10:33 a.m.

    Doesn't anyone remember that it doesn't matter if you are in one conference or the other as much as you make use of the opportunities given? BYU consistently fails to make use of all of the opportunities to win in either conference.

    Look at Gonzaga. Did they complain about being in the WCC? No, they went out and did better than the rest of the WCC in basketball. When you win, you have value that other conferences seek. At that point, options exist for making a move to one conference or another. BYU just needs to win. Get focused on winning rather than how other's in the sports world perceives the school.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    March 21, 2018 10:26 a.m.

    I don’t think anything changed. It’s just that BYU Football is playing more tougher teams. Before in the WAC and MWC BYU was just playing 1 or 2 tough teams and at times got lucky, beating a major football program. How many times did it take to beat Notre Dame before BYU finally got a win. And that was during a Notre Dame down year. So nothings changed; BYU is getting slaughtered more times now.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    March 21, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Taysom Hill? You mean the Taysom Hill that would "never" make it in the NFL?

    On the indie stuff.....quite frankly I don't know. Without a doubt, last year in football was a complete disaster and the last 2 years in basketball have been less than desired....."ok", but not "great". With basketball I think our yearly goal should be to get into the NCAA tournament and winning AT LEAST 1 game. I don't know what the long term solution is for football and basketball. I do believe that with today's hyper-toxic, gutless, anti-conservative "we are paranoid about offending anyone who is not conservative" stance in our culture, BYU has almost zero chance of getting into a P-5 conference. That is not BYU's fault. That's a reflection of our culture and not BYU. Someone shouts "homosexuals are discriminated against by BYU" and P-5 administrators tuck their tail between their legs. Pathetic.

  • Sinew South Centennial, CO
    March 21, 2018 10:05 a.m.

    I agree with Kralon.
    That is so weird that someone from the MWC would spout how awful things are for the flagship program of their conference. Pump the brakes folks. It's not as rosy as you wish it were, but if you take a deep breath and look at the big picture, I think BYU is in fine shape. I think last year in football is an aberration. The other sports are fine in the MWC. I don't think they will compete for a national championship in either football or basketball in the near future, but I look for them to be competitive in every game. Make the tourney frequently, be giant killers occasionally, and go bowling consistently. I don't think the brand is dying nationally like the MWC is spinning it!

  • Flyer St. George, UT
    March 21, 2018 10:04 a.m.

    Aren't athletics, particularly college athletics, an interesting thing? One minute you're on top of the world, albeit your own little sports world, and the next minute this same world is coming to an end. That is in the eyes of the media, fans, Ute fans who want to bury BYU anyway they can, and any other sports pundit out there.

    Relax everyone, including those experts who want to weigh in on the current state of BYU athletics, and where the sports programs will eventually end up. The Y will be fine. Sitake will turn things around this season, and the football team will go to a bowl game. When basketball rolls around again, Dave Rose has plenty of talent coming back, and coming in, to where they will go to the big dance.

    As far as the big question goes as to where BYU Athletics is heading, they'll figure that out as well, and they will be OK. I do find it interesting however, now that they are experiencing a slight down-turn in the major sports programs (football and basketball), the pundits are all of a sudden weighing in. Why didn't these same anonymous sources weigh in when they were winning under Jamaal Williams and Taysom Hill? Or even before then? Everything will be OK.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    March 21, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    65 is right. I get some people thought Indy was a good idea at one time, but now we can see a clear downward trend. It's time to own it, learn from it, and FIX it before its too late.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    March 21, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    Congrats to Hill for earning his opportunity.
    BYU really would be better off back in the MWC. Can BYU argue that it’s football and basketball profiles are currently better than Boise State’s?

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    Can someone help Taysom out with that chin strap?

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    March 21, 2018 8:48 a.m.

    "BYU's brand in athletics is taking a major hit, according to Mountain West Wire."

    Wow, someone at MWC really loves to spin it! I guess a little revenge for BYU leaving the MWC? I do understand if you only look at football it might seem like athletics is down, but otherwise, doing quite well, thanks Mountain West Wire! Look no further than the Director's Cup for Fall 2017 BYU finished 19th and that includes the Fall disaster that was BYU football. Or, look at BYU's most recent national championship which was in Men's Soccer, November 2017. This was BYU's 27th national championship if including both NCAA (10) and club sports (17).

    And, look at our recent national championship in Landscaping! Sorry, I couldn't resist, lol.

    Tom Holmoe, please don't take football and other sports back to the MWC. I understand if you want to follow Gonzaga there for basketball, but please, never football. I know independence is difficult, but less money, less exposure and the worst conference TV network in the nation just doesn't make sense (unless ESPN doesn't renew our contract).

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    March 21, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    And for some strange, odd, call it ego-centric, reason the Athletic Director at BYU says, "Independence is sustainable."

    How long does BYU athletics go down this declining path that Tom Holmoe has directed?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 21, 2018 8:37 a.m.

    Hopefully those at BYU who wear suits and sit at desks will be humble enough to realize that the current situation for BYU football and basketball is trending in the wrong direction. The Indie thing may have sounded cool at one time, but it's not cool anymore. I just worry that the same guys who made the Indie decision will not have the courage to admit that it hasn't worked out. If that is the case, then it is time to get some new decision makers who can make an unbiased decision.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2018 8:33 a.m.

    Their sports programs should consider dropping down to Division II!