One time USU was ranked in both polls and they got snubbed. SMC was too but one
problem they didn't do not playing outside of Califormia during non
conference games. They played mostly non conference game in their small gym, two
away games in the Bay Area and 3 games in Fullerton Tournament. Sorry, that
didn't cut it for SMC and if they had won the game against BYU and lose to
Gonzaga they more likely won't get in!And why SEC, ACC, Big
East had some over 6 teams getting in and only 3 for PAC 12? Each bigger
conferences should only have 3 or 4 teams get in and let smaller conferences
should have 2 or 3 get in. And I know, nothing going to change because of money
Greeds in TV Market and what other may be!
BYURUGGER:If you don't like it, quit being so midmajory. Had
you SEEN your SOS, and/or the SOS of your conference mates? Those aren't
schedules that can be taken seriously, and anyone complaining that your
powderpuff slate didn't back you into the tourney is simply delusional and
The PAC12 has two more teams than they really deserved to have in the
tournament. St. Mary’s would have beaten all three of the teams that the
PAC 12 placed in the tournament this year. There is such a great injustice
in the way the NCAA tournament is chosen. They are not looking for the best
teams but rather those with the highest TV ratings and money. It is time
for forced parity in college athletics. The haves need to be brought down and
the have nots lifted. For the trees were all made equal with hatchet, axe
It is absolutely ridiculous that St. Mary's didn't get in. 28 wins,
one over a top 10 team and another over a top 25 team. Pure bias. This is a
league whose first place team is ranked higher ( significantly) than the first
place team of the PAC12, whose second place team is ranked while no other PAC12
team is ranked, and whose third place team beat the third seed in the PAC12 BY
13 points and they only get one team in? It seems that every year the NCAA
selections get more suspect.
Glad to see an article about this. I commented on another article about USC and
St Mary's getting completely hosed. The Big12 and SEC got so
much(overblown) love this season that you see teams like Alabama, Oklahoma and
Texas who are 4-5 games over .500(seriously?!?) Get 9 and 10 seeds...with no
pluy-in game.East coast bias, and overblown conference bias is doing
a fantastic job of ruining what used to be one of the best sporting events in
With the committee's new self-made rules, coaches will have to stop using
preseason games to get ready for conference play, and start scheduling road
games against the new Quadrant One Conference, whoever that is, in December. If
they win those games, they can coast on through their own conference season,
with no worry about losses piling up, skip their conference tournament entirely,
and be good to go to the NCAA tournament.
Hey Lester, The ZAGS played for the NC last year are are probably as good or
better this year, Follow basketball much. A for St. Mary's diss, that is
a travesty and I'm not sure USC deserved a bid, but no way did AS deserve
one. Oh well, it's just a game, right!
Like Dana White always says to UFC fighters - never leave it in the hand of the
judges.Every year there are complaints. Every year there are valid
arguments for and against every team that gets in or gets "snubbed". I
must say I am shaking my head this year about the inclusion of ASU, but that may
be more about my extreme dislike of Bobby Hurley.Bring on the
"I'm no big fan of USC, but they were certainly more deserving of a
tournament bid than the Sun Devils."Naval Vet:Perhaps. But USC was certainly more deserving that St. Bonaventure (2nd place
A-10--the 9th ranked conference) or Syracuse (10th place ACC). Neither had any
better OOC wins than USC.
I think the NCAA needs to institute a few rules in basketball similar to the
rule that football teams have to win at least six games to be bowl-eligible.
I’d start with a rule that no team with a losing conference
record—regardless of the conference—is eligible for the NCAA
tournament if they don’t get an automatic bid.
Now maybe the WCC can win both the NCAA and NIT tournaments.
The hard thing is they look at the entire season and reward for exceptional play
early on. But if you look how awful teams like ASU and Oklahoma have been, why
would you really want to invite them? OU won 4/15 games going into January.
That's atrocious! No way should they be in, but their wins over teams like
Witchita, USC, Oregon we're good enough. It's a flawed, biased system
and everyone knows it.
london_josh:"The PAC also only got 1 team in."Not so little bro! We got THREE! Ariz, UCLA, and Ariz St. Just because the
WCC only got one team in, that doesn't imply that we did too. You have to
remember that we're not as "midmajory" as the WCC. Ergo,
we'll get more teams into that tournament.
While I agree that both St. Mary's and USC should have been in, my comment
is the writers continue to refer to the Ken Pom rankings. Good, bad, or
indifferent; I don't believe the NCAA committee uses these rankings nor the
ESPN BPI rankings. They use RPI, strength of schedule, quality wins, etc. On the flip side, Alabama was 8-10 in conference and 19-15 overall and
got a 9 seed.
Lester,Go back, look up the Gonzaga schedule and results, and try
your comment again.Florida, Villanova, Ohio State, Texas,
Washington, 3 of those 5 were ranked teams including #2 villanova.Zags deserve #4.USC deserved to play in the NCAA as well, but they
didn't face a single ranked opponent in OCC, although they did play some
noteworthy teams but nothing like Gonzaga.The PAC also only got 1
team in.It's east coast bias, the east has more population and
they don't stay up to watch basketball games that end at midnight for them.
That's what it is.The WCC and PAC got snubbed for the same
reason, same reason why the PAC in football will always be younger brother to
the 3 conferences that are largely in the same time zone with each other -
their football is done and the day has moved on before the west teams even
play.So unless we all decide to start watching sports at 4pm for
basketball and 10am for football it's not going to change.
The WCC is a joke and if you don’t play a challenging OOC schedule
you’ll face the consequences. Article today is stating that Gonzaga
doesn’t deserve their no. 4 seed.
at long last. . .:Agreed. I'm no big fan of USC, but they were
certainly more deserving of a tournament bid than the Sun Devils. USC finished
2nd in the regular season, and 2nd in the conference tourney. Ariz St on the
other hand finished with a losing conference record, and bounced out of the
conference tournament by ANOTHER team with a losing conference record.Ariz St had also lost 5 of their last 8 games, whereas USC had lost only 2.
USC got hosed.
BYU's win over St. Mary's was costly to the WCC! Had St. Mary's
defeated BYU the WCC would have had two teams in. In addition the championship
game of Gonzaga vs St. Mary's would have been between two highly ranked
teams. The winner of the championship game would have had another high profile
victory. As it was, BYU won. Then when BYU lost the championship game it did
not make the NCAA tournament, leaving on Gonzaga to the NCAA and seated #4 where
a win over St. Mary may have lifted them to a higher seed.
St Mary's has a very good team, but they don't play any tough teams
outside the WCC. If they want national attention, they need to build a bigger
stadium so that they can attract (and pay for) better teams to come play them.
In fact, outside of BYU, the entire WCC needs to build bigger stadiums. Even
Gonzaga, with their glossy record, needs to build a bigger stadium. When the
WCC gets serious about their sports, then the rest of the nation may take notice
of their high level of talent.
Every year someone gets left out, and the media creates new victims in the
sports world. Neither USC or St. Marys rated a top ten team, and likely would
have been knocked out in the first or second round of the NCAA tournament. If
the selection committee has it wrong then the the two schools should count the
NIT as a blessing and opportunity. If either one wins or makes the NIT final,
then maybe they deserved more consideration in the NCAA tournament. Otherwise
shut up and prove it in the NIT second chance.
I don't know about any uproar concerning St. Mary's, but to have
Arizona State and Oklahoma in the field is beyond belief. How could any
reasonable person choose ASU over USC? It surely defies logic.