Morning links: Uproar after NCAA tournament snubs of Saint Mary’s, USC; Fred Warner a top 40 NFL draft prospect?

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  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2018 12:20 p.m.

    One time USU was ranked in both polls and they got snubbed. SMC was too but one problem they didn't do not playing outside of Califormia during non conference games. They played mostly non conference game in their small gym, two away games in the Bay Area and 3 games in Fullerton Tournament. Sorry, that didn't cut it for SMC and if they had won the game against BYU and lose to Gonzaga they more likely won't get in!

    And why SEC, ACC, Big East had some over 6 teams getting in and only 3 for PAC 12? Each bigger conferences should only have 3 or 4 teams get in and let smaller conferences should have 2 or 3 get in. And I know, nothing going to change because of money Greeds in TV Market and what other may be!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 13, 2018 7:43 a.m.


    If you don't like it, quit being so midmajory. Had you SEEN your SOS, and/or the SOS of your conference mates? Those aren't schedules that can be taken seriously, and anyone complaining that your powderpuff slate didn't back you into the tourney is simply delusional and entitled.

  • Procoug Layton, UT
    March 13, 2018 7:07 a.m.

    The PAC12 has two more teams than they really deserved to have in the tournament. St. Mary’s would have beaten all three of the teams that the PAC 12 placed in the tournament this year.
    There is such a great injustice in the way the NCAA tournament is chosen. They are not looking for the best teams but rather those with the highest TV ratings and money.
    It is time for forced parity in college athletics. The haves need to be brought down and the have nots lifted.
    For the trees were all made equal with hatchet, axe and saw!

  • BYURUGGER Fulshear, TX
    March 12, 2018 11:25 p.m.

    It is absolutely ridiculous that St. Mary's didn't get in. 28 wins, one over a top 10 team and another over a top 25 team. Pure bias. This is a league whose first place team is ranked higher ( significantly) than the first place team of the PAC12, whose second place team is ranked while no other PAC12 team is ranked, and whose third place team beat the third seed in the PAC12 BY 13 points and they only get one team in? It seems that every year the NCAA selections get more suspect.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    March 12, 2018 7:26 p.m.

    Glad to see an article about this. I commented on another article about USC and St Mary's getting completely hosed. The Big12 and SEC got so much(overblown) love this season that you see teams like Alabama, Oklahoma and Texas who are 4-5 games over .500(seriously?!?) Get 9 and 10 seeds...with no pluy-in game.

    East coast bias, and overblown conference bias is doing a fantastic job of ruining what used to be one of the best sporting events in the country.

  • uterebel50 West Valley, UT
    March 12, 2018 5:38 p.m.

    With the committee's new self-made rules, coaches will have to stop using preseason games to get ready for conference play, and start scheduling road games against the new Quadrant One Conference, whoever that is, in December. If they win those games, they can coast on through their own conference season, with no worry about losses piling up, skip their conference tournament entirely, and be good to go to the NCAA tournament.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 12, 2018 5:32 p.m.

    Hey Lester, The ZAGS played for the NC last year are are probably as good or better this year, Follow basketball much. A for St. Mary's diss, that is a travesty and I'm not sure USC deserved a bid, but no way did AS deserve one. Oh well, it's just a game, right!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    March 12, 2018 5:13 p.m.

    Like Dana White always says to UFC fighters - never leave it in the hand of the judges.

    Every year there are complaints. Every year there are valid arguments for and against every team that gets in or gets "snubbed". I must say I am shaking my head this year about the inclusion of ASU, but that may be more about my extreme dislike of Bobby Hurley.

    Bring on the madness!!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 12, 2018 4:32 p.m.

    "I'm no big fan of USC, but they were certainly more deserving of a tournament bid than the Sun Devils."

    Naval Vet:

    Perhaps. But USC was certainly more deserving that St. Bonaventure (2nd place A-10--the 9th ranked conference) or Syracuse (10th place ACC). Neither had any better OOC wins than USC.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    March 12, 2018 3:44 p.m.

    I think the NCAA needs to institute a few rules in basketball similar to the rule that football teams have to win at least six games to be bowl-eligible. I’d start with a rule that no team with a losing conference record—regardless of the conference—is eligible for the NCAA tournament if they don’t get an automatic bid.

  • oldcougfan North Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2018 2:13 p.m.

    Now maybe the WCC can win both the NCAA and NIT tournaments.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 12, 2018 1:38 p.m.

    The hard thing is they look at the entire season and reward for exceptional play early on. But if you look how awful teams like ASU and Oklahoma have been, why would you really want to invite them? OU won 4/15 games going into January. That's atrocious! No way should they be in, but their wins over teams like Witchita, USC, Oregon we're good enough. It's a flawed, biased system and everyone knows it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 1:24 p.m.


    "The PAC also only got 1 team in."

    Not so little bro! We got THREE! Ariz, UCLA, and Ariz St. Just because the WCC only got one team in, that doesn't imply that we did too. You have to remember that we're not as "midmajory" as the WCC. Ergo, we'll get more teams into that tournament.

    March 12, 2018 12:58 p.m.

    While I agree that both St. Mary's and USC should have been in, my comment is the writers continue to refer to the Ken Pom rankings. Good, bad, or indifferent; I don't believe the NCAA committee uses these rankings nor the ESPN BPI rankings. They use RPI, strength of schedule, quality wins, etc.

    On the flip side, Alabama was 8-10 in conference and 19-15 overall and got a 9 seed.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 12, 2018 12:47 p.m.


    Go back, look up the Gonzaga schedule and results, and try your comment again.

    Florida, Villanova, Ohio State, Texas, Washington, 3 of those 5 were ranked teams including #2 villanova.

    Zags deserve #4.

    USC deserved to play in the NCAA as well, but they didn't face a single ranked opponent in OCC, although they did play some noteworthy teams but nothing like Gonzaga.

    The PAC also only got 1 team in.

    It's east coast bias, the east has more population and they don't stay up to watch basketball games that end at midnight for them. That's what it is.

    The WCC and PAC got snubbed for the same reason, same reason why the PAC in football will always be younger brother to the 3 conferences that are largely in the same time zone with each other - their football is done and the day has moved on before the west teams even play.

    So unless we all decide to start watching sports at 4pm for basketball and 10am for football it's not going to change.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    March 12, 2018 12:06 p.m.

    The WCC is a joke and if you don’t play a challenging OOC schedule you’ll face the consequences. Article today is stating that Gonzaga doesn’t deserve their no. 4 seed.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 10:40 a.m.

    at long last. . .:

    Agreed. I'm no big fan of USC, but they were certainly more deserving of a tournament bid than the Sun Devils. USC finished 2nd in the regular season, and 2nd in the conference tourney. Ariz St on the other hand finished with a losing conference record, and bounced out of the conference tournament by ANOTHER team with a losing conference record.

    Ariz St had also lost 5 of their last 8 games, whereas USC had lost only 2. USC got hosed.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 12, 2018 10:31 a.m.

    BYU's win over St. Mary's was costly to the WCC! Had St. Mary's defeated BYU the WCC would have had two teams in. In addition the championship game of Gonzaga vs St. Mary's would have been between two highly ranked teams. The winner of the championship game would have had another high profile victory. As it was, BYU won. Then when BYU lost the championship game it did not make the NCAA tournament, leaving on Gonzaga to the NCAA and seated #4 where a win over St. Mary may have lifted them to a higher seed.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    March 12, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    St Mary's has a very good team, but they don't play any tough teams outside the WCC. If they want national attention, they need to build a bigger stadium so that they can attract (and pay for) better teams to come play them. In fact, outside of BYU, the entire WCC needs to build bigger stadiums. Even Gonzaga, with their glossy record, needs to build a bigger stadium. When the WCC gets serious about their sports, then the rest of the nation may take notice of their high level of talent.

  • Mountainman38 Idaho Falls, ID
    March 12, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    Every year someone gets left out, and the media creates new victims in the sports world. Neither USC or St. Marys rated a top ten team, and likely would have been knocked out in the first or second round of the NCAA tournament. If the selection committee has it wrong then the the two schools should count the NIT as a blessing and opportunity. If either one wins or makes the NIT final, then maybe they deserved more consideration in the NCAA tournament. Otherwise shut up and prove it in the NIT second chance.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 12, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    I don't know about any uproar concerning St. Mary's, but to have Arizona State and Oklahoma in the field is beyond belief. How could any reasonable person choose ASU over USC? It surely defies logic.