Utes are a No. 2 seed in the NIT, to host UC Davis on Wednesday

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  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    March 14, 2018 3:28 p.m.

    Minnesota Ute

    "Rankings are one thing and proving it in the NCAA tournament by reaching the Final Four is another thing."

    BYU didn't have Davies to prove it in the NCAA tournament.

    Yet, even without their 2nd best player, BYU advanced as far in the NCAA tournament as any Utah team in the last 20 seasons.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    March 14, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Let's see how the "contenders" did:

    * #1 seed Duke lost in Sweet 16 got hammered by #5 Arizona
    * #1 seed Kansas lost in Elite 8 to #11 VCU
    * #1 seed Pitt lost Round 2 lost to #8 Butler
    * #1 seed Ohio State Sweet 16 lost to #4 Kentucky

    Final Four: Kentucky, Connecticut, Butler, VCU"

    I'll bet that my odds of picking a perfect bracket would improve dramatically if I waited until AFTER the tournament to fill out my bracket.

    Bottom line:

    Uteology has strayed so far off into the woods on this discussion that he's actually claiming, with 20/20 hindsight, that - before the tournament began - VCU had a better chance of winning the national championship #1 overall seed Ohio State.

  • land of oz Redmond, WA
    March 14, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    A famous quote comes to mind:

    "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

    ― Mark Twain

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    March 14, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    Odds of winning the 2011 NCAA Tournament per Bodog - March 14, 2011

    #1 Seeds
    Ohio St 7/2
    Duke 9/2
    Kansas 5/1
    Pitt 8/1

    Final Four
    Kentucky 35/1
    Connecticut 35/1
    Butler 200/1
    VCU no odds

    Others
    SDSU 12/1 - BYU beat the Aztecs TWICE
    Florida 18/1 - BYU lost to the Gators in OT
    BYU 50/1

    Even without Davies, BYU started the tournament with BETTER odds of winning the national championship than 2 of the Final Four.

    2011 NCAA Tournament: Odds to reach the Final Four per Bleach Report

    BYU 12/1

    With Davies and a #1 seed, BYU would have been no less than a 6/1 favorite to reach the Final Four.

    Skywalker was 100% correct:

    "In BYU's best season, they were a National Championship contender, until Davies was suspended."

    End of Discussion.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    March 14, 2018 1:05 p.m.

    Uteology

    So you're seriously trying to claim that NONE of the #1 seeds in the 2011 NCAA tournament were legitimate contenders for the national championship?

    LOL!

    Here's a clue:

    Actual results are completely irrelevant in determining who the the leading contenders were before the tournament began.

    "Final Four: Kentucky, Connecticut, Butler, VCU

    BYU wouldn't have sniffed a Final Four even with Davis."

    Pure speculation.

    What proof do you have that BYU, with Davies, couldn't have beaten any of the actual Final Four?

    You still haven't provided any proof that BYU wasn't a contender on Feb 28, 2011, before Davies was suspended.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    @poyman
    BYU was also ranked #3 in both major polls

    2011 NCAA Men's Basketball Rankings - Week 17 (Feb. 28)
    AP Top 25
    1 Ohio State (45) 27-2 1,602
    2 Kansas (14) 27-2 1,554
    3 BYU (5) 27-2 1,460
    4 Pittsburgh 25-4 1,380
    4 Duke (1) 26-3 1,380

    USA Today Coaches Poll
    1 Ohio State (17) 27-2 760
    2 Kansas (14) 27-2 756
    3 BYU 27-2690
    4 Duke 26-3 671
    5 Pittsburgh 25-4 622

    A National Championship contender by anybody's standard.

    ------------------

    Nope! BYU was never a "contender".

    Let's see how the "contenders" did:

    * #1 seed Duke lost in Sweet 16 got hammered by #5 Arizona
    * #1 seed Kansas lost in Elite 8 to #11 VCU
    * #1 seed Pitt lost Round 2 lost to #8 Butler
    * #1 seed Ohio State Sweet 16 lost to #4 Kentucky

    Final Four: Kentucky, Connecticut, Butler, VCU

    BYU wouldn't have sniffed a Final Four even with Davis. In fact, BYU is lucky they weren't a #1 seed like Pitt, they avoided losing to Butler in Round 2.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2018 11:39 a.m.

    @skywalker

    "In BYU's best season, they were a National Championship contender, until Davies was suspended."

    -------

    Nope, not according to Vegas maybe an Elite 8 team.

    You haven't provided one shred of evidence to prove that even WITH Davis you "would be" a #1 team on March 13th.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but I have proven that according to Vegas WITH Davis "you were an average team", had a shot at an Elite 8, and WITHOUT Davis "you were a high-school team":

    * Feb 16, 2011, BYU (25-2) with Davis: Jimmer Fredette has carried this average team to the NCAA Tournament" Source: NCAA Tournament 2011: Las Vegas Odds to Win & Picks

    * Feb 28, 2011, after beating SDSU with Davis: BYU was most likely a Sweet 16 and outside Elite 8 team. Source: Updated odds to win the 2011 NCAA Tournament Final 4

    * On March 13, 2011, BYU (30-4) without Davis: BYU comes in at 35-to-1 odds. Despite being a No. 3 seed, “BYU is probably the worst No. 3 seed in the history of the tournament. They looked like a high school team Saturday." Source: Las Vegas Sun

    You welcome!

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    March 14, 2018 11:06 a.m.

    Seems pretty clear that any team that was ranked #3 in both major polls and being considered for a #1 seed just before conference tournaments began would be a legitimate national championship contender, barring the loss of a key player.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 14, 2018 10:12 a.m.

    Uteology

    You haven't provided one shred of evidence that on February 28th, 2011

    - after BYU had beaten #4 San Diego on the road, 80-67
    - after BYU had been ranked #3 in the AP and Coaches polls
    - after BYU had entered the discussion for a #1 seed

    that BYU wasn't considered a National Championship contender

    - until Davies was suspended on Mar 3, 2011

    Despite your denials, my statement has been proven, by several legitimate sources, to be absolutely true:

    "In BYU's best season, they were a National Championship contender, until Davies was suspended."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2018 1:36 a.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2018 10:53 a.m.
    Regardless of how our jealous little friends on the hill try to spin it, BYU was a legitimate national championship contender until the moment Brandon Davies was suspended.

    ------------

    Not according to Vegas you were a long shot even with Davies.

    * With Davis on Feb 16, 2011 BYU (25-2):

    Jimmer Fredette has carried this average team to the NCAA Tournament … BYU is the best long shot bet [75-1] on the board to win the NCAA Tournament. Source: NCAA Tournament 2011: Las Vegas Odds to Win & Picks

    * On March 13, 2011 without Davis Vegas said of BYU (30-4):

    BYU comes in at 35-to-1 odds. Despite being a No. 3 seed, “BYU is probably the worst No. 3 seed in the history of the tournament. They looked like a high school team Saturday. I hate to knock on BYU, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they got beat by Wofford.” BYU opened as a 7.5-point favorite in its first round game against Wofford, which is the lowest for any matchup between a third and 14th seed. Source: Las Vegas Sun

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2018 1:33 a.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2018 2:29 p.m.
    Minnesota Ute

    "Since 1985 when the field expanded to 64 teams the Utes have been to 10 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights and 1 Final Four."

    NOPE!

    Since 1985, the Utes have been to 6 Sweet Sixteens,
    (1991, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2005, and 2015).

    Since 2006, the Cougars and Utes have both been to 1 Sweet Sixteen, but BYU got much closer to reaching the Elite Eight (lost in OT) than Utah (trailed from midway through the 1st half).

    --------------

    And Utah played a MUCH tougher opponent. So what?

    Yes, Utah lost by 6 point to the eventual National Champion. While Gonzga got thumped by 14.

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    March 13, 2018 4:02 p.m.

    @phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2018 2:29 p.m.

    Minnesota Ute

    "Since 1985 when the field expanded to 64 teams the Utes have been to 10 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights and 1 Final Four."

    NOPE!

    Since 1985, the Utes have been to 6 Sweet Sixteens,
    (1991, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2005, and 2015).

    .........................

    I stand corrected. You're right (regarding the number of Sweet Sixteens). So the Utes have been to SIX Sweet Sixteens to BYU's ONE Sweet Sixteen. Who cares what the margin of defeat was in the Sweet Sixteen? The point spread is only important to schools that are used to losing (E.G. BYU football). So in summation since 1985 the Utes have been to 6 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and 1 Final Four. By comparison the kitties have been to ONE Sweet Sixteen, ZERO Elite Eights, and ZERO Final Fours. Also the Utes have been to TWO Sweet Sixteens this century and the kitties have been to ONE Sweet Sixteen this century.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    March 13, 2018 3:51 p.m.

    List of teams with the most victories in NCAA Division I men's college basketball

    #12 BYU - 1,786 wins
    #13 Utah - 1,779 wins

    Head-to-Head
    BYU 130
    Utah 128

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2018 2:29 p.m.

    Minnesota Ute

    "Since 1985 when the field expanded to 64 teams the Utes have been to 10 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights and 1 Final Four."

    NOPE!

    Since 1985, the Utes have been to 6 Sweet Sixteens,
    (1991, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2005, and 2015).

    Since 2006, the Cougars and Utes have both been to 1 Sweet Sixteen, but BYU got much closer to reaching the Elite Eight (lost in OT) than Utah (trailed from midway through the 1st half).

    And, head-to-head, BYU has dominated U 13-6, with 10 double-digit wins, including this year, and three 20-point blow outs.

    The last time Utah beat BYU by 20 points...

    last century.

    BYU also owns the overall series 130-128.

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    March 13, 2018 1:14 p.m.

    @CordonBleu - Park City, UT
    March 13, 2018 11:43 a.m.
    The truth is, most of Utah's "Elite Eights" and "Final Fours" are meaningless, by today's standards, because the Utes only had to win a couple of games to get there.

    It's definitely NOT an apples to apples comparison to today's standards, which Utah fans are sooo obsessed with applying to football.

    .....................

    Here's the apples to apples comparison. Since 1985 when the field expanded to 64 teams the Utes have been to 10 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights and 1 Final Four. The kitties have been to 1 Sweet Sixteen, ZERO Elite Eights and ZERO Final Fours. Care to take a guess who has the richer basketball tradition?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 13, 2018 11:43 a.m.

    It's interesting how obsessed Utah fans get with "current standards", when talking about football (BCS and CFP), but they're totally oblivious to current standards when talking about basketball.

    What would Utah's basketball history be if the 68-team field had been in place since 1944?

    One thing we know for sure, Utah's 1944 team wouldn't have even been invited to a conference postseason tournament, let alone a national postseason tournament, with only three wins against college teams during the entire regular season.

    The truth is, most of Utah's "Elite Eights" and "Final Fours" are meaningless, by today's standards, because the Utes only had to win a couple of games to get there.

    It's definitely NOT an apples to apples comparison to today's standards, which Utah fans are sooo obsessed with applying to football.

    Why the double standard Utah fans?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 13, 2018 11:11 a.m.

    Obviously people are under the impression that Georgia players refused the NIT because it was not a good tournament. They boycotted the NIT to show solidarity because they weren't happy about Mark Fox getting fired. Had ZERO to do with the quality of the NIT.

    Neither Utah or BYU should be proud of this season. Neither program is a power program so enough of the false bravado and hubris on both sides. Neither one is a good brand of basketball to watch, and pales in comparison to watching the Jazz and the DM45 show (though Coach Kry's childish tantrums are certainly entertaining).

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 13, 2018 11:10 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    How many times has Utah won 4+ games in the NCAA tournament - the current standard for reaching the Final Four?

    Answer: ONCE

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 13, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Not w/BYU’s utter lack of Tourney success"

    BYU's previous tournament history is completely irrelevant.

    Gonzaga had never been to the Final Four,

    until last season,

    when the Bulldogs played in the National Championship game.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2018 10:53 a.m.

    Regardless of how our jealous little friends on the hill try to spin it, BYU was a legitimate national championship contender until the moment Brandon Davies was suspended.

    The Sporting News:
    "Jimmer Show lifts BYU to No. 1 seed"

    The New York Times:
    "When the sophomore center Brandon Davies was dismissed from Brigham Young’s third-ranked basketball team Tuesday for violating the university’s honor code, it dealt a hard blow to the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP aspirations of the Cougars. But it also highlighted one of the big differences between B.Y.U. and other universities involved in major college sports."

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 13, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    “A National Championship contender by anybody's standard.”

    Not w/byu’s utter lack of Tourney success outside of the 1 yr w/Ainge @ that time.

    What was byu’s SOS that yr?

    byu now has a grand total of 2 Sweet 16s/1 Elite Eight in nearly 40 yrs....They define Tourney futility.

    Case-in-pt, when did byu last win a Tourney game?

    Crickets.

    GO UTES!

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    March 13, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    @phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2018 8:28 a.m.
    2011 NCAA Men's Basketball Rankings - Week 17 (Feb. 28)
    AP Top 25
    1 Ohio State (45) 27-2 1,602
    2 Kansas (14) 27-2 1,554
    3 BYU (5) 27-2 1,460
    4 Pittsburgh 25-4 1,380
    4 Duke (1) 26-3 1,380

    USA Today Coaches Poll
    1 Ohio State (17) 27-2 760
    2 Kansas (14) 27-2 756
    3 BYU 27-2690
    4 Duke 26-3 671
    5 Pittsburgh 25-4 622

    A National Championship contender by anybody's standard.

    .......................

    Rankings are one thing and proving it in the NCAA tournament by reaching the Final Four is another thing. BYU's never been a serious threat to win a national title. They do hold the record, however, for the most NCAA tournament appearances without reaching a Final Four.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2018 8:28 a.m.

    Bluecoug

    re: Eamonn Brennan, ESPN Staff Writer, Feb 27, 2011
    "With No. 1 seed in play, do you buy BYU?"

    "With Jimmer Fredette at the helm, following an impressive nationally televised road win over Top 10 San Diego State, are you all-in on the Cougars?

    My answer? I buy the Cougars."

    BYU was also ranked #3 in both major polls

    2011 NCAA Men's Basketball Rankings - Week 17 (Feb. 28)
    AP Top 25
    1 Ohio State (45) 27-2 1,602
    2 Kansas (14) 27-2 1,554
    3 BYU (5) 27-2 1,460
    4 Pittsburgh 25-4 1,380
    4 Duke (1) 26-3 1,380

    USA Today Coaches Poll
    1 Ohio State (17) 27-2 760
    2 Kansas (14) 27-2 756
    3 BYU 27-2690
    4 Duke 26-3 671
    5 Pittsburgh 25-4 622

    A National Championship contender by anybody's standard.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 12, 2018 10:23 p.m.

    skywalker: "In BYU's best season, they were a National Championship contender..."

    naval Vet: "No they weren't. There is nothing of substance that supports that.”

    Eamonn Brennan, ESPN Staff Writer, Feb 27, 2011
    "With No. 1 seed in play, do you buy BYU?"

    "With Jimmer Fredette at the helm, following an impressive nationally televised road win over Top 10 San Diego State, are you all-in on the Cougars?

    My answer? I buy the Cougars."

    There you have it. Concrete proof that a respected national college basketball sportswriter considered BYU a legitimate prospect for a No. 1 seed.

    A No. 1 seed, by definition, is a National Championship contender.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2018 10:12 p.m.

    One of the safest and highest paid coaches in the world and this is all we get? I demand a recount! Come on Dr. Hill, get after those selection officials!

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    March 12, 2018 8:26 p.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try, but we’re not talking about what coach 80k inherited, we’re talking about how long it took Utah to “rebuild” after Bogut left versus how long it took Rose to rebuild from a losing season the previous year - both starting in 2005-06.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    March 12, 2018 8:12 p.m.

    skywalker: "In BYU's best season, they were a National Championship contender..."

    naval Vet: “No they weren't. There is nothing of substance that supports that.”

    Despite your denial, skywalker’s claim is an absolute FACT, and there’s plenty of online discussion to support that fact.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 12, 2018 7:44 p.m.

    March 12, 2018 3:27 p.m.
    Uteology

    * Utah is 3-3 50% NCAA while rebuilding it's program.
    * BYU is 4-8 33% NCAA

    It only took Rose ONE year to rebuild BYU's program, yet you're claiming that it took Utah THIRTEEN years to rebuild theirs?

    ------

    No, 12 years.

    Rose inherited: 5 of 6 seasons with 20+ wins.

    Coach K inherited: 5 of 6 seasons with 14 or less wins.

    2006-2014 Utah had one NCAA appearance, 0 top 25. It took Coach K two years to rebuild.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 6:16 p.m.

    skywalker:

    "The simple fact that you've labeled practically every blogger with whom you've interacted today as 'frantic and emotional' is proof enough of your illogical responses."

    No it isn't. You just made that up, and it isn't supported by any substance. Hence YOUR response was "frantic and emotional" too!

    "talkinsports" said, "Less than a week ago you were mocking BYU for having to play in the NIT, and now you're beating your chest about your favorable NIT seeding?...LOL!"

    But that never happened. "Jello is Good" even ADMITTED that he knew I'd said no such thing, but then accused me of "trying" mock the NIT. And bear in mind that NEITHER indy-WACer could back that up. Because it never happened. And if it never happened, how was that "logical". And what was the point of their posts?

    Answer: They were both knee-jerk "emotional" responses; likely born of fear over the fact that my post was irrefutable, and didn't cast their team in the brightest of lights.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 6:10 p.m.

    skywalker:

    "In BYU's best season, they were a National Championship contender..."

    No they weren't. There is nothing of substance that supports that. That's just something our little brother says. You guys are always full of "almost(s)", and "nearly(s)", and "take away(s)", and "if not for(s)", and on and on and on.

    There's REASON why you guys never "close". And that's because "closers" are for "winners". "Losers" are all about the "excuses".

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    March 12, 2018 5:26 p.m.

    @skywalker:

    "In byu's best season ...."

    LOL! Woulda, shoulda, coulda. A byu fan's redundant mantra.

    @Mr. Boris:

    "Before the nonsense begins about which team is better, Utah or byu, how about we just acknowledge that both teams weren't very good or we would be talking about the NCAA tournament and not the NIT."

    This, this and this. Who cares this year? Both are in the NIT. A disappointing season for both teams.

    This year, we can now sit back and argue football clear until the end of November.

    8 is coming!

    Go Utes!

  • rslutefan Gilbert, AZ
    March 12, 2018 5:22 p.m.

    Arguments over seeds in the irrelevant NIT. The rivalry continues to find new lows.

    The only purpose should be more playing time for guys you want to evaluate for next year.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    March 12, 2018 3:58 p.m.

    short memory navalvet,
    77-65 beat down this year and 12 out of the last 15 soon to be 13 out of the last 16 .....Nuff said ......

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 12, 2018 3:27 p.m.

    Uteology

    * Utah is 3-3 50% NCAA while rebuilding it's program.
    * BYU is 4-8 33% NCAA

    It only took Rose ONE year to rebuild BYU's program, yet you're claiming that it took Utah THIRTEEN years to rebuild theirs?

    What a pathetic excuse.

    BYU has played in 8 NCAA and 5 NIT tournaments
    Utah has played in 3 NCAA and 3 NIT tournaments

    Your pretending that sitting home playing couch potato is "superior" to being one-and-done in the Big Dance is absolutely hysterical.

    In BYU's best season, they were a National Championship contender, until Davies was suspended. Even then, Jimmer led BYU to within a made free throw in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight in their second of back-to-back 30-win seasons.

    In Utah's best season, the Utes didn't even come close to upsetting Duke or having a 30-win season.

    Postseason record during the Dave Rose era:

    BYU 10-12; Utah 3-5

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 12, 2018 3:10 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Produce an example of a comment of mine that lacked logic, highlight the "illogical" part, and provide what WOULD have been considered a "logical" response."

    The simple fact that you've labeled practically every blogger with whom you've interacted today as "frantic and emotional" is proof enough of your illogical responses.

    A logical response would have been to present your counter arguments in a thoughtful, respectful manner without resorting to childish name calling.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2018 2:59 p.m.

    Uteology

    "I clearly said this year was fluke win according to NIT and RPI."

    It was no fluke.

    BYU lead from start to finish and had a 16 point lead in the final minute.

    Per Scoreboard:
    BYU 77, Utah 65

    Per BPI:
    BYU 77, Utah 80

    Per KenPom:
    BYU 70, Utah 65

    Per Massey:
    BYU 72, Utah 62

    Most of the respected ranking systems rank BYU and Utah very closely, so BYU's dominating win in the Marriott Center, where the Utes have only won ONCE, by 4 points, in the last 13 seasons,

    was NOT a fluke at all.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 12, 2018 2:58 p.m.

    @Fact

    With a Sophomore dominated team, BYU is playing in their 13th straight NCAA(8) or NIT(5) tournament this year.

    The Utes have played in less than half that many NCAA(3) and NIT(3) tournaments during the same period and Utah's Senior dominated team was dominated by BYU.

    ---------------

    Cougar Nation counting NCAA/NIT and bowl "appearances" as accomplishments? SAD!!

    Over the same period:

    * Utah is 3-3 50% NCAA while rebuilding it's program.
    * BYU is 4-8 33% NCAA while enjoying its greatest era with Jimmer since Ainge

    Go back one more year in your analysis:

    * Utah is 5-4 55% with TWO Sweet 16s
    * BYU's 2nd Sweet 16 was in 1983

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 2:52 p.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    "...you're the king of illogical, frantic and emotional posts."

    What a frantic and emotional thing to say. Now back that up. Produce an example of a comment of mine that lacked logic, highlight the "illogical" part, and provide what WOULD have been considered a "logical" response.

    And don't forget to use "actual quotes" and cite the article you're referencing...

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 12, 2018 2:41 p.m.

    CordonBleu - Park City, UT
    March 12, 2018 7:47 a.m.
    Uteology

    "You've been doing victory laps ever since you beat Utah. We told you it was a fluke win."

    BYU's 10th double-digit win in the last 13 seasons is only a "fluke win" in the minds of our insecure little brothers

    ---------------------

    I didn't say the other 9 wins were a fluke, I clearly said this year was fluke win according to NIT and RPI.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2018 2:38 p.m.

    naval vet

    "When you make an argument based entirely on "fear" and/or "emotional", it's "frantic and emotional". There's no logic to any of their posts."

    You should know, since you're the king of illogical, frantic and emotional posts.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 2:11 p.m.

    FACTchequer:

    "When everyone around you seems to be 'frantic and emotional',...it's a good time to take a look in the mirror, face reality, and see who's really frantic and emotional."

    What makes you think ND95CA, talkinsports, and/or jello is good, would be in my mirror? And why would I want to look at them even if they were?

    #NotSmart

    The reason why I call them out for being "frantic and emotional" is because they ARE "frantic and emotional". When you make an argument based entirely on "fear" and/or "emotional", it's "frantic and emotional". There's no logic to any of their posts. They're just "reactionary" posts, authored because I'd hurt their feelings by posting "facts". So they're trying to "get back" at me.

    So perhaps it's the indy-WACers getting called out for being "frantic and emotional" who need to look inwardly. Did ya ever think of THAT?

    And the rest of your post had absolutely nothing to do with anything I'd stated, so I'm not sure why you're directing it at me. Irrelevant much?

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2018 1:38 p.m.

    navel vet

    re: ND95CA, Jello is good, talkinsports,

    "How frantic and emotional of you."

    When everyone around you seems to be "frantic and emotional",

    it's a good time to take a look in the mirror, face reality, and see who's really frantic and emotional.

    With a Sophomore dominated team, BYU is playing in their 13th straight NCAA(8) or NIT(5) tournament this year.

    The Utes have played in less than half that many NCAA(3) and NIT(3) tournaments during the same period and Utah's Senior dominated team was dominated by BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 1:17 p.m.

    ND95CA:

    Why is that comment directed at me? It certainly doesn't address anything I'd stated on this thread. Were you desperately trying to change the subject? How frantic and emotional of you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 1:15 p.m.

    Jello is Good:

    "Your right, you didn't mock,....but you sure tried."

    That sounded made up, so you'll need to back that up with (1) what did I say? and (2) in which article did I say it?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 1:13 p.m.

    Jello is Good -:

    "I see that math is not your strong suit so I will help you out...The NIT has 32 teams. This means the lowest seeds are #8 seeds. BYU is a #6 seed...their dropping out had absolutely nothing (as in zero) to do with BYU being selected."

    Except that it did! Understanding NIT auto-bid rules is not YOUR strong suit. Those teams all seeded below the cougars were "auto-bids" by way of winning their conference's regular season, but failing to make the Big Dance on account of not winning their conference tournament. It's the exact same reason why the play in games aren't necessarily all designed 16th-seeded teams.

    M Tenn*, UVt, ULL, Rider, UC-Davis, NKy, Harv, Fla GC, Wag, UNC-Ash, SE La, and Hamp all won their respective regular seasons, but not their conference tourney, and were thus -- per tournament rules -- auto-bids to the NIT. The cougars were the ONLY non-autobid team selected in the tourney from amongst all 6th, 7th, and 8th seeded teams. That means you were the last one in! And if UGa bowed out...

    ...you did indeed back into their spot.

    See, that all makes sense now, right?

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    March 12, 2018 12:51 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    Postseason Results During the Rose Era

    BYU - NCAA 4-8, NIT 6-4, overall 10-12
    Utah - NCAA 3-3, NIT 0-2, overall 3-5

    Guaranteed, if Utah wins a couple of NIT games this year, there will be lots of crowing on the hill; otherwise, Utah fans will once again start spouting off about how meaningless the NIT is.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 12, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    @ Squid - Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 12:17 p.m.

    "talkinsports:

    "Less than a week ago you were mocking BYU for having to play in the NIT"

    No I wasn't. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    Straw man much?"

    ----

    Your right, you didn't mock, ....but you sure tried. (Too weak.) Not made up, but fact. How boring and predictable of you.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 12, 2018 12:20 p.m.

    @Lester L. Wester - Henderson, NV
    March 12, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    "What’also rich is BYU-P backing into the tournament due to Georgia passing on their invitation."

    I see that math is not your strong suit so I will help you out.

    The NIT has 32 teams. This means the lowest seeds are #8 seeds. BYU is a #6 seed. This means that there are 20 teams seeded above BYU and 8 teams seeded below BYU with 3 teams seeded the same. Unless Georgia would be taking up the bottom 8-12 seeded positions all by themselves, their dropping out had absolutely nothing (as in zero) to do with BYU being selected.

    See, that all makes sense now, right?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 12, 2018 12:17 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    "Less than a week ago you were mocking BYU for having to play in the NIT"

    No I wasn't. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    Straw man much?

  • chili con carne Austin, TX
    March 12, 2018 12:14 p.m.

    Lester

    It’s laughable that Utah didn’t follow Georgia’s lead considering how “beneath” them playing in the NIT is.

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 12, 2018 11:53 a.m.

    Mid West Ute: “Lots of little brother's throwing rocks from their glass houses.”

    Yes, so stop it.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    March 12, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    Utes Best: “After all of the chatter from the hill about how meaningless the NIT is... that's rich.”

    What’also rich is BYU-P backing into the tournament due to Georgia passing on their invitation.

  • Mid West Ute South Jordan, UT
    March 12, 2018 11:16 a.m.

    Lots of little brother's throwing rocks from their glass houses. Sigh

  • Utes-Best Lil Brothers Anaheim, CA
    March 12, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    CyCarloUte

    Utah fans beating their chests about NIT seeds.

    After all of the chatter from the hill about how meaningless the NIT is...

    that's rich.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    March 12, 2018 10:23 a.m.

    JohnInSLC

    "And you are here because . . . ?"

    Probably to see what Utah fans have to say about our first NIT opponent.

    Judging by the lack of interest on this blog, it'll be interesting to see if any Utah fans even bother showing up for this game.

  • CyCarloUte slc, UT
    March 12, 2018 10:23 a.m.

    Christy B.

    Did you even read my comment? byu beat NO NCAA Tournament teams. And only played one. That why they are a 6th seed in this lower tournament, the NIT.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 12, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    “As usual, the entire Utah fan discussion about the NIT revolves around their BYU obsession.”

    gandolf:

    And you are here because . . . ?

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    March 12, 2018 9:49 a.m.

    As usual, the entire Utah fan discussion about the NIT revolves around their BYU obsession.

    Not one comment even mentions Utah's first round opponent, UC Davis.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 12, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Playing in the NIT is nothing to brag about. That's why Georgia players voted to pass on the NIT..."

    So why did the Utes and four other PAC 12 teams gladly accept their invitations to play in the NIT?

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    March 12, 2018 9:22 a.m.

    Wasn’t it a day ago little brother was saying that with the big and spacious Marriott Center the NIT was going to given at least two home games? How did that work out?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    "Playing in the NIT is nothing to brag about."
    That's why Georgia players voted to pass on the NIT, opening up a spot for... BYU.

  • CG Provo, UT
    March 12, 2018 9:16 a.m.

    NeilT

    "BYU Utah meet in the third round. Could happen."

    If BYU and Utah meet, it'll be in the NIT Semi-Finals at Madison Square Garden.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 12, 2018 9:12 a.m.

    @CordonBleu - Park City, UT
    March 12, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    "Uteology

    "You've been doing victory laps ever since you beat Utah. We told you it was a fluke win."

    BYU's 10th double-digit win in the last 13 seasons is only a "fluke win" in the minds of our insecure little brothers."

    ---------

    Exactly. It calls in to question the sanity of most of his claims.

  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    BYU Utah meet in the third round. Could happen.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 12, 2018 8:37 a.m.

    CyCarloUte

    "The seating [sic] for NIt reflects the regular season work. Utah beat three teams in NCAA Tourney: UCLA, Arizona St and Missouri. BYU......hmmmm."

    BYU stomped U 77-65.

    It's funny how Utah fans conveniently ignore that little detail in Utah's season record.

  • CyCarloUte slc, UT
    March 12, 2018 8:18 a.m.

    The seating for NIt reflects the regular season work. Utah beat three teams in NCAA Tourney: UCLA, Arizona St and Missouri. Byu......hmmmm.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 12, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    Uteology

    "You've been doing victory laps ever since you beat Utah. We told you it was a fluke win."

    BYU's 10th double-digit win in the last 13 seasons is only a "fluke win" in the minds of our insecure little brothers.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 11, 2018 11:34 p.m.

    talkinsports - Gilbert, AZ
    March 11, 2018 8:58 p.m.
    navelvet

    Less than a week ago you were mocking BYU for having to play in the NIT, and now you’re beating your chest about your favorable NIT seeding?

    ------------

    You've been doing victory laps ever since you beat Utah. We told you it was a fluke win.

    You welcome!

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    March 11, 2018 10:10 p.m.

    I once said that East Coast bias would keep some good teams in the west out of the NCAA tournament. I would consider USC, St. Mary's and possibly Okla. State those teams.

    Looks to me like the Pac12 teams in the NIT got more favorable seeding than they deserve.
    If the higher seeds win, we should get to see a Utah at St. Mary's game. I'd like to see that game if it happens.
    The only way to prove the NCAA selection committee wrong is go out and win.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    March 11, 2018 9:42 p.m.

    Vet,

    Bragging about NIT seeding is reaching just a little....or a lot. No team in the State was above average this year. Just deal with it and move on.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    March 11, 2018 9:30 p.m.

    Yet another example of seedings to beg the question, "What was the selection committee thinking about?"

    It will be interesting to see how the rule changes affect performance.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    March 11, 2018 9:29 p.m.

    TJ, remind us who was the team in the Pac12 to win it's bowl game.
    And, while you are at it, tell us how byu fared in their bowl game. 😂

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 11, 2018 9:19 p.m.

    @TJ

    Remind me: How many teams did the mighty WCC get into the NCAA tournament? Was it "only" 3? Or was it less than that?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 11, 2018 9:10 p.m.

    TJ - Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 11, 2018 8:15 p.m.
    This is a very generous seed for a team without 20 wins. The pac only got three teams in the NCAA tournament and two of them are in first round play in games. I guess the selection committee is worried about a performance similar to losing all but one bowl game.

    -------------

    Thanks for your obsession.

    Last year PAC-12 was 9-4 70% in the NCAA Tournament, 3 teams made Sweet 16 (ACC 1 team).

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    March 11, 2018 9:11 p.m.

    @TJ - maybe you should write a letter to the NIT committee and tell them Y fans fell Utah is seeded too high. Or on the other hand just accept that they know a lot more about this than you do.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 11, 2018 8:58 p.m.

    navelvet

    Less than a week ago you were mocking BYU for having to play in the NIT, and now you’re beating your chest about your favorable NIT seeding?

    LOL!

  • soulkracker Kansas City, MO
    March 11, 2018 8:59 p.m.

    Woops, my bad, it's a #2 seed. Still the NIT!

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    March 11, 2018 8:57 p.m.

    Naval Vet,

    Playing in the NIT is nothing to brag about. No matter the seeding and what conference your team comes from.

  • soulkracker Kansas City, MO
    March 11, 2018 8:53 p.m.

    #3 seed, but who's counting...it's the NIT.

  • LVCoug Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 11, 2018 8:49 p.m.

    Uh, Naval Vet? You realize “little brother” beat u, right? Whatever makes you fell better about that, hang on to it, I guess.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 11, 2018 8:42 p.m.

    make the most of this opportunity. What in the world does college football have to do with the NCAA/NIT basketball tournament, good grief

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 11, 2018 8:15 p.m.

    This is a very generous seed for a team without 20 wins. The pac only got three teams in the NCAA tournament and two of them are in first round play in games. I guess the selection committee is worried about a performance similar to losing all but one bowl game.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    March 11, 2018 8:09 p.m.

    Utah did not play in the NIT in 2013.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 11, 2018 7:55 p.m.

    Interesting that the Pac-12 teams in the NIT all earned higher seeds than their own conference tournament seedings.

    USC went from a 2 (P12) to a 1 (NIT).
    Utah went from a 3 (P12) to a 2 (NIT).
    Stan went from a 5 (P12) to a 3 (NIT).
    Ore went from a 6 (P12) to a 3 (NIT).
    And UWa went from a 7 (P12) to a 5 (NIT).

    And that's how tough our league is. It's tougher than the NIT.

    Meanwhile, little brother went from a 3 (WCC) to a 6 (NIT). And DESPITE posting an overall better record than all the Pac-12 teams. And only 2 WCC teams even made it to the NIT. And that just goes to show how weak THAT league is. Shameful. No WONDER Gonzaga wants to out of there!

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    March 11, 2018 7:33 p.m.

    Before the nonsense begins about which team is better, Utah or BYU, how about we just acknowledge that both teams weren't very good or we would be talking about the NCAA tournament and not the NIT.