Portlander"What I am saying about Coach Rose is that he's
been there a long time and should have the recruiting and game planning worked
out by now. Mark Few has his worked out. Coach K up north has his worked out,
pretty much."Few doesn't have to manage the comings and
goings of missionaries, who are constantly creating "surprises".And, seriously, have you paid any attention to the constant
merry-go-round of players coach 80k has "worked out"?NOBODY
has a tougher job of managing a roster than Coach Rose, and to have done so and
never had less than a 20-win season nor missed playing in either the NCAA or
NIT, let alone never had a losing season, is remarkable.
@talkinsports: "Nobody really expected a Freshman and Sophomore dominated
BYU team to beat one of the Top 5 teams in the country."@Uteology: "Kentucky does it all the time, but then again they also have
talent."Seriously, you're so desperate for a counter
argument that you're using a one-and-done program that is stocked entirely
with NBA players in waiting?btw, even mighty Kentucky has lost to
Kansas, UCLA, Tenn, Fla, Mo, TA&M, Auburn and So Caro this year. The
Wildcats even struggled to beat UVU on their home floor 73-63 and only beat
Vermont 73-69. Kentucky hasn't beaten two Top 20 teams on back-to-back
nights all season.FAIL!
Rose has been a good coach for BYU. Personally, I think they did pretty well
all things considered. They don't have an extremely talent-laden roster.
Tournaments are tough, especially if you are a guard-play team and rely on
outside shooting. It's hit or miss on any night. BYU did well to get to the
championship game and get past St. Mary's. BYU fans should generally be
satisfied with this year's performance IMO.
What I am saying about Coach Rose is that he's been there a long time and
should have the recruiting and game planning worked out by now. Mark Few has his
worked out. Coach K up north has his worked out, pretty much. Someone who said that as a world-wide church, they should be recruiting
world-wide, has got it right. World-wide recruiting is also a huge missionary
tool as well!
It is time to stop comparing your team to another feeling one is better because
another struggles. Rose did a great job this year and should not
hang his head. You build a team three years out, which means when Mika and Emery
left, he had two huge holes to fill. He had a couple of guys step up big, but
the poster was right who said that two players don't beat five. Beating St.
Mary's was HUGE. But the challenge the Cougs face now is that
their youth will face a WCC that is young top to bottom. Gonzaga loses only
three seniors. The WCC should be one of the top basketball conferences next
season. As for the Utes, I hope they win the auto bid. I hope the
Aggies, Wildcats and Wolverines also do well. I look for the day when they all
go dancing and it's one big party.
talkinsports - Gilbert, AZMarch 7, 2018 8:04 a.m.Not a surprise at
all.Nobody really expected a Freshman and Sophomore dominated BYU
team to beat one of the Top 5 teams in the country.-----------------Kentucky does it all the time, but then again
they also have talent.You have 2 Freshman, they played 0 minutes
until garbage time vs Gonzaga, 0 minutes vs SMU, and 1 minute vs SDU.
"BYU doesn't make the NCAA tournament yet again, a tournament which
includes 68 teams from across the country... and yet people continue to defend
the coaching."68 teams, out of 347 teams, so it's a 19.5%
chance of getting in, less if you aren't a P5 team.I'll
defend Rose, he's not the greatest coach but we could do far far worse than
him.To put it in perspective basketball won about 3/4 of the games
while football won about 1/3 of the games.I think the whole get your
pitchfork and riot, you didn't beat #6 Zags is a bit outrageous, we beat #2
Gonzaga last year.I think missions and transfers and recruiting put
BYU in a pickle where potential could be better - so you adjust, you don't
throw everything away and start from scratch.Rose is a great coach;
he needs to fix some things, some of these fans need to be fans.
cougs108, By the time these players get to college it is time to
get rid of the "participation trophy" mentality of pre-school sports.
It is one teams job to score and another to stop them....period.
Deepblue.Reality: BYU doesn't make the NCAA tournament yet
again, a tournament which includes 68 teams from across the country... and yet
people continue to defend the coaching.Coach Rose is a big boy and
can handle the criticism. Treating him with kid gloves does him or nobody else
hi-ya"BYU has not won against Gonzaga when it really
"BYU 89 Gonzaga 67 - in the 2011 NCAA tournamentLosing by 1, or losing by 20, is inconsequential.NOBODY
expected this BYU team to beat Saint Mary's and Gonzaga on back-to-back
localblueDelusion: Assuming that coach speak is a true reflection of
how any coach feels about a big loss.
answer is simple: BYU has not won against
Gonzaga when it really counts
meaning earning a seat into the NCAA
Tournament which means winning the WCC Tournament
which BYU has never
done. I see no moral victory in this game. The game was not like the St.
Mary's game. If BYU had played like they did with St. Mary's and lost
to Gonzaga by 1 or 2 points
then maybe BYU fans would have something to
Delusion: When you are down 32, you make a small run to make it a 20 point game,
and you commend yourself for getting back in it, never realizing that your
opponent backed off when they were up 30, because they take pity and realize it
is getting downright embarrassing for you.“Our guys showed who
they are and hung in there and made a run,” Rose said.
I felt this was a down year for BYU losing Mika and also Emery and no real
center on the team. They did fairly well as in past years, but back to normal
after beating St. Mary's. Still it is embarrassing that BYU cannot recruit
better than teams that play in high school gyms.
talkinsports - Gilbert, AZMarch 7, 2018 8:04 a.m.On the bright
side, BYU fans will get to watch the Cougars play at least one more game in the
Marriott Center.-----------They're currently
projected a 6 seed, so I dont think you can bank on that home game at this
@ SoulKracker"Where is Jimmer when you need him!" He would probably have been sitting on the bench next to Dastrup watching Haws
throw the ball away and Worthington missing three foot "bunnies."
Dastrup played better in thirteen minutes than Worthington, Nixon and Seljaas
comb to ined played the whole game. If next year's coach and team are the
same, with only the addition of Gavin Baxter, Dastrup should transfer.
hi-ya"Gonzaga is fast becoming another "Utah" to BYU.
Gonzaga (Basketball) Utah (football)."How so?Until
this season, BYU had beaten the Zags three straight seasons in the Kennel,
including last season when the Zags were 29-0 and ranked #1.In the
WCC tourney, BYU simply ran out of steam against a much deeper, much more
experienced Top 10 team after a physically and emotionally draining win versus
another Top 20 team the night before.
Just letting a little bit of steam off. With a 20 to 30 point lead the dogs
keep all their starters in until a couple of minutes left in the game? They are
still launching 3 pointers from the cheap seats? What gives? Until the Y starts
recruiting 3 point shooters from around the globe we are basically sunk and will
never win the WCC championship. Let's use our world wide church to recruit
some great outside shooters from outside the USA. Come on!
No question but what the Zags ARE very good! But, gee, can't we have some
diversity and sympathy for other teams? How 'bout sharing the
"winners" sharing their good players with the losers so their feelings
aren't hurt. Isn't that what college is all about nowadays?
[sarcasm, sarcasm! :) ]The Y just blew it, period! Where the heck
was TJ? 4 points? Come on. I know he can do better than that! Let's see what happens next year.
Esquire"Fitness issue? Tired? Not mentally tough? This team just
is not finishing strong, going out with a whimper. Great teams finish
strong."What are you talking about?BYU beat #20/#19
Saint Mary's less than 24 hours earlier.Did you really expect a
Freshman and Sophomore dominated team to be able to beat the #6/#6 Gonzaga?Where on earth did you come up with the idea that this is a
"great" BYU team?
Gonzaga is fast becoming another "Utah" to BYU. Gonzaga (Basketball)
Utah (football). Question is when is BYU going to learn that there is nothing
omnipotent about either school in either sport. How can BYU be so good the night
before with St. Mary's and not display the same kind of poise and
confidence with Gonzaga the following night
has got to be one of the seven
wonders of the universe.
One Angry Salebarn Worker"How long before Dastrup announces his
departure?"If he's really the team player he's acted
like all season, never.He needs to work on his low post footwork and
defense and he could be a big contributor next season.
Fitness issue? Tired? Not mentally tough? This team just is not finishing
strong, going out with a whimper. Great teams finish strong.
.BYU could have, with a little more accuracy, led by 12-0 at the start; I was
happy when it was tied at 27. The last three minutes of the first half and the
first 3 minutes of the 2nd half are critical. The Zags went on an 11-2 run,
leading by 9 at half time. Coach Rose SAT and watched it...NO coaching,
figuring "we'll fix it at half time." WRONG!! When you have
unused time outs, you're a viewer like the TV audience. The half-time
"fix" was to give sleeping pills! It took 5 minutes to score a
bucket.I counted at least 5 turnovers by Haws, who had a terrible
game. The center missed countless shots down low in the paint and was not
fouled because there wasn't any called; he just missed. Many shots in the
5 - 10 foot ranged were missed by every BYU player and they weren't close.
Sloan used to say "They couldn't throw the ball into the ocean if they
were standing on the shore".Giving the early semifinal game to
the #1 seed is a real advantage because they (coaches and players) can scout the
late game. Is that fair? It seems to be the reward for being the top seed.
BYU made it to the finals; they need to elevate their goals.
Winning NIT games would be a nice start.
The chances of the Cougs beating the #6 team in the country were slim at best.
Good run though for an undermanned team. To the ute naysayers who continue to
make lame excuses for your loss to the Cougs....the Cougs had just as many
injuries if not more. Three of their big guys didn't really play all
season. Just remember two things: 1. 77-65 and 2. The Zags are better
than all pac12 teams. Mark it down.
Dixie Dan"I wonder how many players on the current team would
NOT have received a scholarship if they had played on an out-of-state team and
not the Wasatch Front?"Every player on this team could have
played for many different out-of-state Division 1 teams.
taylormade1 - Springville, UTMarch 6, 2018 10:37 a.m.“azuter,I had no idea that you were on the selection committee !
Keep posting though, you make me laugh with your comments ... We're
go'in dancing baby !!”taylormade1 - Springville, UTMarch 6, 2018 10:42 a.m.“Pack your bags azzy, we' re
go'in Danc’n !!”You were saying?
Not a surprise at all.Nobody really expected a Freshman and
Sophomore dominated BYU team to beat one of the Top 5 teams in the country.The Cougars hung with the Zags early, but, the emotional and physical
fatigue from their hard-fought win over the Gaels began to show near the end of
the first half.On the bright side, BYU fans will get to watch the
Cougars play at least one more game in the Marriott Center.A nice
little run in the NIT would be a great springboard for next season when BYU
should have the same team back with another year's experience.
I think the Zags make a good case why BYU should get back to the MWC for
football purposes. Being in a small conference doesn't seem to hurt
Gonzaga as they dominate it and then get rewarded nationally. If BYU could
dominate the MWC, I think that would give them a much better chance of getting
momentum and attention instead of playing a front loaded P5 schedule that takes
them off the radar after the first month of the season.
How long before Dastrup announces his departure?
I Still Can't Say It"The only reason BYU beat Utah is the
Utes had too many injuries in December."Just another whiny
excuse from the hill.BYU beat Utah because BYU is the better
team.The Cougars have beaten the Utes 13 of the last 19, including
10 double-digit wins and three 20-point blowouts.BYU lead Utah this
year by 16 with less than than a minute left, so the final could have very
easily have been another 20-point blowout.The Gonzaga team that BYU
lost to last night is much better than any team in the PAC 12.
36-4 run. Ouch!Is BYU NIT-bound? Again?
Where is Jimmer when you need him!
"Over the next 11 minutes, the Zags buried the Cougars with a decisive 36-4
run and what had been a tightly contested contest quickly turned into a
rout."That's got to be some sort of tourney record, 36-4
run. BYU looked lost on defense and couldn't buy a basket during that run.
If the Zags can play like that in the NCAA tournament, they've got a legit
shot at the title.
A very enjoyable game to watch. Loved the outcome. I do admire the TDS
playing defense - I have not seen this prior to this year.
I wonder how many players on the current team would NOT have received a
scholarship if they had played on an out-of-state team and not the Wasatch
This is a very good Gonzaga team. Maybe not quite as good as last year, but not
that far behind. The scary thing is that this team could have Nigel-Goss,
Sabonis and Zac Collins playing for it. Not a lot of shame in losing to the
Zags; BYU just ran out of gas. Gonzaga was fresh as they have a deep bench and
they were able to rest a lot of players in the semis.
It is a little surprising that the WCC does not give the semi-finalists an extra
night off before the championship game. It would have helped the Cougs, but
maybe not have changed the inevitable. As long as the Zags are a part of the
WCC, I won't be disappointed that they win out their conference and go on
to the big dance. I'll have to keep on holding out for their eventual
national championship although. They don't have a much better chance at
that, than BYU does at winning the WCC. And my last thought: BYU
always has one of the best overall records of any team going into the NIT, and
their showing their is always so disappointing. If they don't win out at
the NIT this year, I think it would be time for Coach Rose to retire. Talent
development lacks at BYU as well as recruiting. And game planning seems to be
lacking as well, many times.
I'd be surprised if this is interpreted an unexpected outcome.
Congrats to the Zags! Wow, what a run. Well done BYU. You were in the
finals and represented well. Thank you. Go Cougars!
BYU was outclassed in every aspect of the game. Only Childs and Bryant showed
up to play. Gonzaga could have won solely on the points after turnovers
committed by Haws.
The only reason BYU beat Utah is the Utes had too many injuries in December.
Utah is the better team this year and will prove it by playing in the NCAAs
while BYU goes to the kiddy table at the NIT.
It's impossible for two players to beat five.
BYU did better than I expected by beating the 20th best team in the nation, but
couldn't get past the 6th. Too bad BYU couldn't continue its run of
beating Gonzaga once a season.BYU has done better this year than I
expected thanks to most players stepping up their game in spite of the loss of a
few key players from last year.Nice tournament run, go Cougars!