3 keys from BYU's 74-54 WCC championship loss to Gonzaga

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  • Stenodude7174 St. Louis, MO
    March 8, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    My question is, what am I supposed to make of TJ Haws? He was AWFUL against Gonzaga, and pretty bad most of the season. Some of those turnovers he had were just unforgivable. You leave your feet 18 feet from the hoop and blindly pass back towards the top the key?? WHAT?! And yet, he stayed out there. These are mistakes you correct in junior high; not as a 21-year-old college sophomore.

    The Lone Peak Three have been almost a Jake Heaps-level disappointment thus far. At least we got two good years out of Mika and one decent year out of Haws and Emery. But is this all there is?

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    March 7, 2018 1:33 p.m.

    Cougarcat,
    Your comment is spot on ! Well thought out with facts to back it up ! Kudo's to you !

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    March 7, 2018 1:18 p.m.

    jello,
    you may want to go back and watch the 3 balls that Dastrup was hitting in the Utah game before you make silly comments that he only hits 3's in garbage time ...... do not kid yourself, with more playing time he would have showed you just how talented he really is this year ... tell you what, i will take Dastrup on my team at the 5 spot and i will give you worthlesston and a couple other players for your team ....

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    March 7, 2018 1:11 p.m.

    phantom,
    You must be basing your analysis of Dastrup on the 1 or 2 minutes a game here and there that he was given to play other than the Utah and Gonzaga game ? I will stand by my analysis from the Utah and Gonzaga game where he was given 8 or 9 minutes to play ... you may want to look at his Stats in those two games where he was given at least a bit of a chance to play before you throw out comments on him .... also do not kid yourself, Dastrup can score anywhere on the floor as he showed last night . Where you are right is that he can shoot the 3 really well ... in fact he leads the team in 3 pt. % on the year ... now , go look at his all around season stats compared to Worthingtons stats for minutes played... I will take Dastrup( 4 Star player ) any day of the week over Worthington end of story !

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    March 7, 2018 1:09 p.m.

    3 Keys to Gonzaga's WIn:

    1. They have three players that are as athletically talented as Yoeli: Tillie, Williams, and Hachimura.

    2. They have two players that are as athletically talented as Elijah: Norvell and Perkins.

    3. See 1 and 2 above.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 7, 2018 12:14 p.m.

    Rose is a great coach who knows how to win often.
    Few is an elite coach who knows how to dominate and reload his team every year.
    That's the difference.

    I have all the respect in the world for Gonzaga.

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    March 7, 2018 10:42 a.m.

    @Phantom

    The games i've watched when Dastrup got on the floor for more than 90 secones he had no trouble moving on offense, passing the ball or putting it on the floor & taking it to the hoop. He had inside game and was mobile. He jazzed up the team when playing.

    I don'the understand why he wasn't at least the 6th or 7th man in the rotation this season. They maybe could've avoided a couple of those embarrassing losses - and maybe snapped themselves out of cold spells on offense like the one that cost them the game last night.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    March 7, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    Trinidad

    "Gonzaga 74 BYU 54

    Any questions?"

    Yes.

    When was the last time Utah beat Gonzaga?

    or Saint Mary's?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    March 7, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    cougarsrock

    "Dastrup can get up and down the court as fast or faster than most players on the Cougs team"

    Straight running speed is one thing.

    Having good footwork and being able to switch on screens is quite a different thing.

    I hope Dastrup returns next season and that he works to improve his game so that he can contribute more than an occassional three.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 7, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    cougarsrock

    You're basing your entire pro-Dastrup analysis on one 8-point spurt because Payton hit a couple of 3's.

    He's slow on defense; can't cover the pick-and-roll, and has no low-post game.

    He can hit the 3, but he can't put the ball on the floor and drive to the hoop.

    Payton does have potential, but he's got a lot of work to do in the off season if he wants increased playing time next season.

    And, let's not forget, BYU had several other bigs who were injured or red-shirted this season, who will also be vying for playing time next season.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    March 7, 2018 8:21 a.m.

    Jello,
    Your comment regarding Dastrup shows nothing but your bias ... either that or no basketball knowledge .... Dastrup can get up and down the court as fast or faster than most players on the Cougs team especially uncoordinated worthless ! Slow footed what ever ! You might want to watch the Utah game again ... without Dastrup in that game , the Y loses guaranteed !

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 7, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    taylormade1 - Springville, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:37 a.m.
    “azuter,
    I had no idea that you were on the selection committee ! Keep posting though, you make me laugh with your comments ... We're go'in dancing baby !!”

    taylormade1 - Springville, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:42 a.m.
    “Pack your bags azzy, we' re go'in Danc'in !!”

    You were saying?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 7, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    "u fans talking smack really? Would someone remind them the BYU-u score?"

    Oh, come on, max-was-arrested. As you well know, coog fans haven't stopped talking football smack for the last EIGHT years.

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    March 7, 2018 7:49 a.m.

    @Jello

    I usually agree with your posts - find them well thought out and with insight. I differ with you on Dastrup and his playing time. Here's why....

    Let's assume some of what you've said is true, he's slow footed and doesn't switch well on D. What you didn't take into account is this - there have been several times this season where the Cougs went stale on offense and couldn't put the ball in the hoop. Thus we got embarrasing losses to UOP, LMU and near losses to Pepperdine & SF.

    Also, the usual load-carrying starters were gassed last night - allowing Gonzaga to go on their game busting run just before the half.

    Why not put in a shooter to liven up the Cougs offense and make Gonzaga shift their defense? Dastrup rebounds at least as well as Worthington. He's got almost double the blocks as Worthington in less than half the total minutes. And I differ with you on him clogging the ball movement. When I've seen him play he moves well, sets screens, opens up lanes for others and dishes when he's guarded and makes the defense pay when he isn't.

    Dastrup might not be starter material yet, but he should've been used for 15 - 20 minutes a game instead of the 4 he's gotten.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:40 a.m.

    Wow, BYU fans. You're starting to sound like Utah fans during football season.

    "There is no shame in losing to such an elite program. We are just happy to be right behind them."

    Come on Cougar fans, show some dignity.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    March 7, 2018 7:14 a.m.

    Before I start let me just say scoreboard over Utah this year.

    Now the nuts and bolts:

    Childs can play. Bryant seems to play most of the time. Haws - love the person but his game seems to be getting worse. If he is the best option, then there is trouble in Cougarville. After that, there is nothing there. Emery may have helped but he also often fades away in the big games. BYU never seems to be more than a "one trick pony."

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 7, 2018 7:06 a.m.

    Max-was-right - Mapleton, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:50 p.m.

    u fans talking smack really? Would someone remind them the BYU-u score?
    -----
    Coming from you, that's rich. I see a lot of constructive comments on this thread. Give it a rest Guy.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    March 7, 2018 6:56 a.m.

    3 Keys to the game:
    Better players
    Better coach
    Playoff experience.
    very simple

  • Not Much of a Fan Irvine, CA
    March 7, 2018 12:31 a.m.

    Three reasons? The starters not named Childs and Bryant.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    March 6, 2018 11:45 p.m.

    One of the ways to overcome an off-shooting night is get more shots than the opposing team—that is, get more offensive rebounds. The coaching staff and players failed miserably in that regard, sending no one to the offensive glass.

    The Cougs were able to beat SMU last night because they brought their best game and have good offensive production from at least 3 players. They had to bring that same game if they wanted any chance against Gonzaga. Instead they had a sub-par offensive performance with only 2 guys making any impact. Combine that with Gonzaga playing brilliantly, possibly their best game of the year, and you get a blowout.

  • TaxpayerinUtah Utah, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:59 p.m.

    BYU played their best game of the year last night against St Marys and then their worst game of the year against the Zags tonight. It was not to be, the Zags are the best team around.

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:50 p.m.

    u fans talking smack really? Would someone remind them the BYU-u score?

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    March 6, 2018 10:45 p.m.

    If and buts we’re candy and nuts. Too many short term memories . Only two teams beat the Zags last year, BYU and the Zags loss in the NC game. We just aren’t consistent enough plus lack of depth. Too many good players transfer or one thought he could play in the NBA which won’t materialize . Notice the Zags have on their team a Mr Utah basketball player freshman off a mission . He got garbage time all year. On the Y these type of players start which shows a lack of depth. We need to build the talent base. Payton had a nice game and should have played more this year with a redshirt last year. Coach Schroyer made a good big impact on the team. We should be better next year.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:42 p.m.

    Really there was only "1 key" to the game. Gonzaga did not boycott the game. They appeared on time and at the right place.... game over.

    It will be fun to see next years BYU team. As I understand it there is good news and bad. The good news is that there were no seniors on this year's team. So all players will have played together for a minimum of a full season and had time for coaching development. The bad new is that there were no seniors on this year's team.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 6, 2018 10:14 p.m.

    Let's face it - BYU's starting lineup has been the Big Two and the little three all year. That will get you a blowout loss against Gonzaga.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 6, 2018 10:01 p.m.

    My problem with the program is the coaching. There is a ton of talent on this team. Anyone and everyone could see things beginning to unravel for them and Rose does nothing, ZILCH, until the wheels are completely off the wagon. A coach that has a good feel for the game and his players would have called a timeout, calmed them down and got them refocused before it was total chaos. Oh well, another run in the NIT. I don't see BYU getting into the Tourney for a very long time.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 6, 2018 9:45 p.m.

    The Zags are an absolute elite program, they shut down BYU's game and made BYU play into their game, complete opposite or St. Mary's results. Few clearly watched the game and had his guys ready, the defense was suffocating.

    I'm not one to bag on Rose, we lost some games we shouldn't have lost, 2nd place in the tournament is pretty good, the Zags are just an amazing team.

    The idea that another coach would do much better is pure conjecture. It's an odd conference, the Zags could compete anywhere with anybody, they are absolutely an elite team, St. Mary's is a solid team year in and year out, BYU is right behind both of them. If BYU grows to start beating both of those teams, I'd say that's a better win than most regular conferences would have for them.

    There are 347 college hoops teams that all have a shot at the big dance. I think BYU had some recruiting short-sight by being too focused on one school and with mission disruptions, fix that, coach with a bit more passion, and stay the course. Rose has never had us worse than 3rd place, and championships are hard to come by with the Zags but fun to play. Tighten up the program and cheer on, this isn't that bad.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 6, 2018 9:37 p.m.

    Stop calling for Dastrup to play. He is slow footed on D, clogs the ball movement and can't handle the high screen switch on D. Everyone thinks because he hits a couple of threes in garbage time he has a complete game. No loss if he does transfer unless he gets better.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 6, 2018 9:32 p.m.

    Gonzaga’s depth was key. They looked fresh, and BYU looked worn out. Haws didn’t show up. All things considered, not a lot of shame in losing to a very good Gonzaga team. Arguably the best team west of the Rockies. Onward and up word, go zags

  • thebig1 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2018 9:24 p.m.

    That just about does it don't it.... We r where we belong in the nit where it doesn't matter.... Another 20 win nothing season for the Y. Can't we get Rose and Holmoe on missions? That may be the only hope we have.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    March 6, 2018 9:18 p.m.

    Big decline between this year and last year in terms of Haws play in my opinion. Turnover city and low shooting percentage in so many games this year. Please no more stats on his steals. He really was good against Gonzaga last year. Just seems to lack energy and strength this year versus last year. Too many minutes of unproductive play? Frustration? I really liked him much better last year. This year, he seems to have the green light to shoot anytime despite the fact that he is hurting the team turning the ball over with weak passes, poor defense, and when he is so off target in some games like tonight. So frustrated Dastrup is not seeing the floor when he seems very capable both inside and out. They needed height this game and did not use him until it was too late. Need more players than just Childs and Bryant. Seljass has disappeared and looks totally out of sink. Still congrats on a good season for such a young team.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    March 6, 2018 9:11 p.m.

    Peyton Dastrup should have been the starter at the 5 spot from day one this year ! The little bit of playing time that Rose gave him is just embarrassing ! Hope he does not jump ship in the off season ......

  • Trinidad American Fork, UT
    March 6, 2018 9:03 p.m.

    Gonzaga 74 BYU 54

    Any questions?