Rose has it much tougher than most coaches. Missions disrupt. Big time. When
they come back after two years of inactivity, they're not in condition. The
Church's lowering the age of missionaries has busted up the
freshman-sophomore year. Mika goes one and done. Basketball is not football. You
only need 1 great player and four good ones. But the one and done turmoil has
really created havoc in college hoops.I don't see how anyone
can have continuity with the priorities Rose has to deal with. Yet his teams are
very competitive every year. As for the "tiny" WCC, all you have to do
is look at the "tiny" conferences in the East. Those conferences have
been a factor in hoops for a century. It only takes a few good players and
usually one great player. P5 refers only to football. In any given year, some
tiny school, like Texas Western, Loyola of Chicago, St Josephs, Butler, Gonzaga,
Georgetown are in the finals, and many win. Pac12? Yawn. Since John Wooden
retired, PAC 12 is a nowhere hoops conference.Fire Rose? Stupid
UteologyEmbarrassing is being a prime contributor to the
"conference of ineligible athletes"- Arizona and USC are
both currently using players who are ineligible- Utah has used an
ineligible player for 2 of the last 3 seasonsIt'll be
interesting to see if the PAC 12 does anything to address the problem, or if
they'll just sweep it under the rug.
UteologyYou're seriously trying to equate throwing a jacket on
the floor to having to be physically restrained by your assistants from
attacking a ref?Only under that crimson bubble on the hill.
65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, IDFeb. 26, 2018 9:26 a.m.Sometimes Rose
seems too docile, but at least he doesn't embarrass his employer by raging
at officials and having to be restrained by two assistant coaches.----He did in the 2015 WCC tournamnet championship game.Embarrassing is going 18-2 vs sub 150 teams.
Being a successful head coach is like being a successful leader, you need to
have a strong leadership team. If you look back to the biggest seasons for BYU
it was Coach Rose, Schroyer, and Rice. BYU has a better defense with Schroyer
back. LaComb seems to be a nice guy but he is no Dave Rice.
BYU has to find a way to go higher than #3 in the WCC.The problem is
the comparative factor. Average WCC teams are much smaller than the MWC teams
which are smaller than the PAC teams - that being said St. Mary's and
Gonzaga are amazing teams, particularly Gonzaga, so it's no surprise that
BYU struggles to break out of the #3 spot.Keep in mind that in the
MWC Rose had 6 seasons, 4 #1 results (2 outright and 2 tie) and the other two
BYU was #2.Perspective makes BYU look lacking in the WCC - I wonder
if we really are, BYU needs to get that #2 spot away from St. Mary's and
then things would look better - but for now they really aren't that bad and
that's the problem with Rose, certainly better than normal but can BYU live
up to previous expectations in a smaller conference where the top teams are
basically cemented in position each year?So what if BYU moves on and
fires Rose - I'm not sure that's better, could be a complete disaster.
No doubt BYU has not come up to expectations. Perhaps as pundits say recruiting
some foreign players could help, and maybe better recruiting of the US would
help too. As for Utah I always thought they were better than BYU so was
surprised they lost to BYU. BYU really lacks a center this year and has
struggled in most games and will against USD.
@ Elkhorn - Loveland, COI'm really am not advocating that Rose
act like the Ute coach. Please no! He is not a great role model at all! The
difference between Rose and Lavell is results and player development. Both are
lacking with Rose. Coach Rose seems like a good guy and I respect his conduct. I
just don't see top tier results or player development that great
Deanvrtc“Does anyone really see any drive or passion in
coaching from Dave Rose? His assistants are doing most everything.... including
the play calling.”The exact same thing could have been said
about LaVell Edwards.A coach doesn’t have act like a certain
coach on the hill in order to be passionate.
Does anyone really see any drive or passion in coaching from Dave Rose? His
assistants are doing most everything.... including the play calling. Rose simply
paces back and forth with that bewildered perplexed look on his face. Please
spare me the often repeated 20 win season montra....against what competition?
There are really only two good teams in this league, BYU is not one of them.
His teams never improve throughout the year, and many good players choose to
leave the program and thrive elsewhere. Its past time for a change in coaching,
but sadly..Holmoe can't seem to get the message and seems content with the
status quo 3rd place finish and NIT tourney. Very sad for BYU faithful fans and
boosters who deserve better.Nobody really expects this team has any chance
at winning the tourney..be honest with yourself and you know that's true.
It should be different. Cmmon Holmoe, give us a reason to hope again ..make the
This sounds like a great time to shake up the lineup and give guys like Dastrup
and Cannon significant playing time. What can it hurt - right? It's time
to stop relying entirely on Bryant and Childs to carry the offense. If Rose
goes with the usual lineup that will be a dead give away that he just wants to
be done with the season.
Sometimes Rose seems too docile, but at least he doesn't embarrass his
employer by raging at officials and having to be restrained by two assistant
coaches. Rose also doesn't scream obscenities at the head of officiating
of his conference after a win. I'll take Rose and his decorum.
Christy is cherry picking.Rose hasn’t won a conference
tournament championship, but regular season championships won during the Rose
era:BYU - 4Utah - 1
BYU ended up on the short end of the stick
again. Yes San Diego, Pacific
and San Francisco all ended up tied with 2 wins and 2 losses against one
another, but using the points between themselves solely, as a determining factor
of placement, does not adequately address the placement. The WCC should have
taken into account the teams ranked above them as to who would be placed 4th,
5th and 6th in the tournament. San Francisco with its win over St. Mary's
obviously should have been 4th. San Diego and Pacific with their wins over BYU
would be tied in that aspect, but when you take into account the point spread of
each game with BYU, San Diego is a clear choice for 5th which leaves Pacific at
6th place. My question is: If it had been St. Mary's or Gonzaga in 3rd
place, would they have had the same kind of logic in their tournament selection
for 4th, 5th and 6th place. Well
in a while it
won't matter any way. I have a feeling that BYU is going to surprise
everyone in this tournament. And, with all the naysayers and their condescending
BYU, with their march through the tournament, winning it, will
put a cork in it and stop all their yakety yak yak.
JelloWhat year did byu and Rose win a conference tournament
title?Again, you are wrong.
Sweater In Rafters"I forgot that the mini-conferences play their
tournaments a week before the big conferences do."I don't
know what a "mini-conference" is, but the WCC tournament ends the same
week as the PAC 12 tournament ends.btw, U were dominated by the 3rd
place team from the WCC.--------------------BleedingBlue"Looks like a one and out, or two and out at best.
If they were unbelievably at their best then 3 and out."BYU only
has to win 3 games to win the WCC tournament.
You can always tell when the lowly utes from the "Conference of $100,000
Payouts" gets blown out - they come here to grieve and deflect. The real
question is - can the utes stay within 10 points of the might 'Buffs. They
didn't last time.
ute fan...Best to worry about your own mediocre team and your own mediocre
conference. You have one whole team in the top 25, while the lowly WCC has
two. In the end, as pertaining to your team vs. BYU, 77-65 is all you need to
Bloody BlueSince TDS starts and ends recruiting in Utah County that hope
for a 7 footer is a long shot.Alpine to the North. AF to the south.
Actually Chris and obsessed fans, you are wrong again, but you should be used to
that.Rose as a player was conference champion three times. In the
MWC he was conference champion four times. Now unless you are cherry picking and
not counting conference championships, but only conference tournament
championships......that would be weak. As an added stat, as a player
he was 1st in conference 3 times and as a coach he has been no lower than 3rd in
an season and, all but his freshman year as a player, has ended each each in
either the NCAA or NIT tournament. He may be coming to the end of
his run, but few have had better in all of college basketball.
I forgot that the mini-conferences play their tournaments a week before the big
conferences do.Kind of a warm up game/tournament.Going
11-7 in a mini is ugly. BUT....it’s a 20 win season...which is nice.Go Cougs
Any team that would consider USD as a "tough...matchup" is a team who
had already written off the Big Dance, and trying to decide if they're an
"NIT" or a "CBI" team instead.Weak SOS.
Rose actually has 4 titles (2 shared 2 outright) as the BYU bb HC. In the WCC
he's got 2 2nd places and otherwise it's 3rd place. Not too shabby
actually, he finished 1st place 4 of 6 years in the MWC.Utah did
have a tie for 1st place in 08-09 that they share with BYU. But 80K
doesn't have any titles.Maybe you guys should win some titles
before talking about how Rose doesn't have any - or at least visit the
trophy cases at the marriott center. Decide if you want to be
ironic or inaccurate.
This team tanked down the stretch like they do every year. I have no confidence
they can win even one game in the WCC tourney. I'd look
forward to next season but somehow we will lose guys during the offseason like
we do every year thus making it another rebuilding year. Can you
imagine if we had retained Mika for another season or if Emery didn't get
fouled up and they both played this year?
Looks like a one and out, or two and out at best. If they were unbelievably at
their best then 3 and out. To actually win the tournament St. Mary’s and
Gonzaga will have to both totally collapse, very unlikely. The Cougars will
probably see a NIT invite, and if they go 1 and 1 in Vegas they will most likely
host the opening round, simply because they can sell more tickets than anyone
else.I’ll say it again, if BYU wants to make the leap to the
next level, they absolutely have to recruit a dominate 7+ footer. Committee of
guards with an assortment of forwards will not get you there.
SaneIf they did, I’d have more than Dave Rose. As is, him and
I have the same.
Uh Sanefan, that's the point. Chris B has zero conference titles, same as
Uh Chris, Jr. Jazz doesn't count, neither as a coach or a player.
I have as many conference tournament titles as Dave rose.