Harmon: BYU's newest cornerbacks meet measurables coaches were seeking

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  • Rain_Man Portland, OR
    March 8, 2018 5:46 p.m.

    Sorry @london_josh but it's more likely than you think. The church doesn't need to advertise BYU because it's not really competing for students. There's a long line to get inm and it's not going anywhere. Their little TV station is a fun project, but it's not paying the bills. They'll keep it around for that comedy show and re-runs of little house on the prairie , but make not mistake, it's not a viable substitute for the ESPN contract, which will likely go away. Sports are expensive and, again, they've shut down two programs citing travel expense already. Have they REALLY opened up the checkbooks for coaching? Compared to the rest of college football? C'mon now. They have 3rd or 4th tier guys and they don't pay them the going rate. And the practice facilities will be super nice for intramurals. Sorry, but if trends continue... this is what'll happen. I give it 10 years tops.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Feb. 17, 2018 12:25 a.m.

    Rain Man,

    So BYU builds a new practice facility and expands the TV broadcasting system and owns it's own TV network and opens up the checkbooks for better coaches which all leads to your brilliant conclusion that it's shutting BYU football down.

    First you'd see every other sport shut down because even the exciting and wining volleyball team loses money - basketball breaks even, and football makes enough to make up for all their losses.

    Football is a massive advertising tool for schools, when you confuse it with church PR you leave out the reason for the 95% of teams that aren't religiously affiliated.

    No way that BYU drops football.

  • Rain_Man Portland, OR
    Feb. 16, 2018 4:13 p.m.

    @BlueHusky - So, the precedent has already been set. The church shut down sports at BYU-I and BYU-H already. Obviously those aren't the flagship schools, but they were quality athletics programs that were one day just *POOF* gone. BYU makes a lot of money from the ESPN contract it's true, but that contract is going to end and if BYU continues to play at the level it has the past few years, I think it's unlikely to be renewed. And don't tell me BYU-TV makes up for it. Not having a regional conference is very expensive for travel too. Does the church really want to keep spending money like that to go get walloped in a southern state with no Mormons around? And sorry, but not every African convert is Ziggy. Unless BYU can land the top Mormon recruits from across the country (and Pacific Islands) they're going to get worse and the church will shut it down. Church HQ is all about good PR, and bad football is NOT the PR they're looking for.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2018 4:01 p.m.

    WACer Utah's Little Brother:

    But according to independent authorities, Rivals is the "most accurate" of all the recruit rating sources. So if Rivals is #1, who cares what the Scout, 247, or ESPN recruit rating services say?

    Also, those transfers and RMs you'd cited are entirely irrelevant to both this article, as well as the content of my post.


  • WalkerTexas Ranger Greeley, CO
    Feb. 16, 2018 3:12 p.m.


    "Alfrey, Davis, Herron, and Moore each met cougar standards! They all had "2 stars".


    According to Scout BYU has recruited fifteen 3* and six 2*......Alfrey being one of them. BYU also has a few 4* recruits from transfers and return missionary's playing this year. The mighty Yoots that have never won even an outright P12 South title have twenty one 3* and two 4* recruits......so in all reality in the Holy War this year we'll have a bunch of 3* recruits with a few 4* recruits mixed in on both teams playing each other........advantage no one......This is why in the majority of years the game is always so close.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2018 1:29 p.m.

    "All four meet a height and speed standard the Cougars look for in defenders. This is one area BYU coaches were very concerned about with the 2018 class. They called them 'measurables.'" -- Dick Harmon

    In addition to both "height" and "speed", the coaches also noticed a 3rd "measurable" wherein Alfrey, Davis, Herron, and Moore each met cougar standards! They all had "2 stars".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2018 1:19 p.m.


    "As for facing its demise, BYU isn't going anywhere."

    So in other words, the cougars are expected to maintain their position as one of the midmajor "recruiting titans" annually ranked somewhere in the "90s", and finishing out each season ranked in the 100s?



  • ChipJo Kamas, UT
    Feb. 16, 2018 12:11 p.m.

    Measurables speak to a players upside potential. Seems like a reasonable criteria for recruitment.

    With that said last year BYU's tall / big players seemed to be beaten badly by opponents smaller and quicker players. How about recruiting some quickness? How about recruiting proven players? Look at BYU's 2018 signing class. With few exceptions it is full of projects.

    For BYU to be successful they need to start recruiting proven players. Who cares if a kid is under 6 foot. If he can play he can play. The NFL is full of players that would not meet BYU's "desirable measurables." Per a recent article the 2017 NFL Pro Bowl roster had 15 PLAYERS under 6 foot.

    My hope is that BYU will start recruiting more talent and less potential.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2018 10:58 a.m.

    @Utah had a similar story.

    He knew he could play at Utah rather than sitting on the bench.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 16, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    @ rain man - High school kids are risky. He may be a 4 star and never make the team. BYU has had some of those guys, not least of whom was 5-star Jake Heaps who flamed out big time.

    So "measurables" is a hedge. The pros do it all the time. They have to have certain speed, jump to a certain height, lift past a certain weight, etc.

    As for facing its demise, BYU isn't going anywhere. The have a lot of money, their own studio, and are on TV every game. That is not going to stop. As church population increases, especially in places like Africa, they'll get recruits.

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    Feb. 15, 2018 10:47 p.m.

    Yesterday, we were advised that the BYU recruiting was limited by high academic standards and the honor code. Now we are advised that BYU has other "player" recruiting measurables like speed and size that didn't get much attention from other D1 schools. Harvard and Stanford must be overwhelmed with the newly found academic competition from Provo.

  • Rain_Man Portland, OR
    Feb. 15, 2018 4:15 p.m.

    I think it's a stretch to call 6'1" tall when we're talking about defensive backs. It also concerns me that only one of these guys primarily played the position previously.

    With signing out-of-position recruits, the QB mess, the low-ranked recruiting class, conference independence, and recent on-field suckage, BYU football feels lower than ever. I hope they can turn it around but I have a feeling the program is facing its demise in the not-too-distant future.

  • truenorth3 Draper, UT
    Feb. 15, 2018 1:51 p.m.

    Maybe , just maybe the most important "measurable" should be can the student-athlete "make plays" regardless. They are out there just need to do the work to find them and get by bias and favoritism. #culturematters

  • Biotoxic Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2018 1:32 p.m.

    Measurables? Nice. Speed, also nice. But what about ability to play football? There’s a lot more in football than speed, i.e., tackling, field awareness, physicality, etc. Track speed is different than football field speed too. I think one of these recruits played in only two football games over his junior and senior years combined. Hopefully Sitake’s recruiting on measurables rather than experience and demonstrables works out. It hasn’t historically.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2018 12:28 p.m.

    " We’ve been on him since last June. We offered him a few days before signing day,”

    Utah had a similar story. Once (just a week before Letter of intent signing day) it became know that Utah had invited a rugby player to an "official visit" and extended an offer UCLA's Coach Kelly sent the player a letter-of-intent which the player could sign even though he had never been on a visit to UCLA. Also both the University of Washington and University of Oregon coaches asked the rugby player not to sign with Utah on that Wednesday so that the player could visit their schools. the Outcome - He's a Ute!