Harmon's Halftime: Kalani Sitake, the man who demoted Ty Detmer, explains it was never personal

Return To Article
Add a comment
  • Jumpyman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    Sorry Folks, but to blame BYU's terrible performance last year on the tough schedule and injuries is just a copout. I watched BYU struggle against Portland State in the first game of the season. The defense was terrible and the offense even worse. Even bad teams scored on LSU. That was before the injury bug hit. But it was not just the offense last year. The defense did not look good either. What I got out of last year was that Jamal Williams and Taysom Hill are the only reason BYU had a good record the year before. The coaching was terrible last year.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Feb. 14, 2018 9:47 a.m.

    "2) Would Grimes be ok with him still being on the staff? For the students, it would be awkward in a sense to have your former offensive coordinator now be a position coach. For Grimes, it would be awkward to have one of your position coached under you be your predecessor. There could be worry as to where the students' loyalties really lie."

    Exactly!

    Sorry to go churchy, but I've said it before, the new Bishop can't have the old Bishop as a councilor, it won't work - similarly if there is a new OC the old OC needs to be gone.

    Very sad, I love Detmer and think he needed one more year, but while I disagree with the decision to fire him, the way that they did was ultimately the best way possible.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 4:13 p.m.

    "What the Y should have done is 'demote' Ty to the QB coach so he could do what he's good at without having to worry about the 'big picture'."

    I agree that long-term (and probably even short-term as well) that might have been the best option. In fact, I'm sure they considered it and possibly that could have even been Plan A. Then he could even learn the coordinator ropes and eventually become OC several years later after getting experience.

    However, there were a couple issues with that:

    1) Would Ty have accepted such a demotion? I get the impression BYU has tried to bring him on as QB coach before, but he stayed in TX. After finally being coaxed into coming as OC and being OC for 2 years, he'd rather go back to TX than take the demotion.

    2) Would Grimes be ok with him still being on the staff? For the students, it would be awkward in a sense to have your former offensive coordinator now be a position coach. For Grimes, it would be awkward to have one of your position coached under you be your predecessor. There could be worry as to where the students' loyalties really lie.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Feb. 13, 2018 3:29 p.m.

    The way Detmer was treated was a disgrace.

    It takes only 3 things to be a great teacher (coach):

    1 - Knowledge of your craft.

    2 - A true desire to teach.

    3 - You have to be able to speak the language of your students, in this case, literally English.

    There's no doubt Detmer had #1. Heisman trophy? 14 yr NFL career as a QB? Do these ring a bell?

    He had to be talked into coming back to BYU so #2 was not an issue.

    3 - He speaks English.

    Ty was made a scapegoat: too many injuries, a lack of discipline by many players off the field, our starting QB lost his confidence, a general lack of athletic talent, a very difficult schedule.

    All of this was Detmer's fault? Ridiculous.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 2:51 p.m.

    I'm sure a lot of frustration that Detmer had was the constant parade of players at skill positions on offense. That would have driven any coach nuts. Sad to see him go. And we lost his nephew also because of that.

    What the Y should have done is "demote" Ty to the QB coach so he could do what he's good at without having to worry about the "big picture".

    Roderick? He stunk up the offense at the U and won't help the Y OB's at all. Pretty sure Sitaki made Grimes hire him because he's a Sitaki buddy.

    That said, I still won't cheer for the U. And I'm an alum.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    Is this what BYU calls a firing now ? A demotion ?

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Feb. 13, 2018 2:17 a.m.

    I find it funny that Ute fans cite the poor coaching tree at BYU, not long ago a 1/4 of the PAC coaches got their start at BYU including your HC and much of his early and successful staff.

    BYU actually has a very interesting coaching tree.

    It's not uncommon to have a down year when figuring things out, let's see next year and see what happens, we can only go up from here.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 13, 2018 1:15 a.m.

    @worf,

    Also, please share with us which other teams that you claimed performed better than BYU on the "O" side of the ball that had to use 5 different QBs, a new RB virtually every game, and had to go with an entirely new Receiver Corp... I'm curious... I'm pretty sure that there are none however.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 12, 2018 8:58 p.m.

    @worf

    "Notice how the former BYU coaches have been picked up by other football programs? ..."
    *********
    You have used that line in two of your posts as though that is convincing... It's not. Detmer will be coaching this year and he will probably be doing it at the professional level. Some rumors has it that Gruden (the new Raider's Coach has been talking to Detmer about being the QB Coach in Oakland)... But as DN articles have pointed out, there is no urgency for Detmer to take anything... He's on BYU's payroll for another year. The sad part is that he was probably our best recruiter and a handful of Recruits that we probably could have landed pulled away as a result of Holmoe's and Sitake's decision to use him as a scapegoat.

    Calhoon will be coaching again this year as well (in fact I suspect he will be back at BYU at some point in the future for his 3rd stint). Mike Empey is rumored to be possibly coaching again this year as well somewhere in Southern Utah... Haven't heard anything about Reno Mahe however. But, for those who understand College and Professional Football... When the Coordinators are released, their staff are usually handed walking papers as well.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 12, 2018 7:36 p.m.

    @poyman,

    Notice how the former BYU coaches have been picked up by other football programs? Sorry! But that tells the story. These guys will be lucky to have a high school picking them up.

    There were many teams with less talent who produced at a higher level than BYU.

    Sorry! But the coaching and discipline just wasn't there. Sitake did what was needed.

  • Truth & Light Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 3:25 p.m.

    I think the truth is that BYU is just bad at football.

  • robo Top, IL
    Feb. 12, 2018 1:30 p.m.

    I don't buy it. I think it was deeply personal in that Detmer didn't have to go through the same hoops to coach at the college level. You hear multiple coaches saying in essence, "we wanted coaches that rose through the ranks at other colleges." Detmer is way smarter than Sitake, Sitake didn't understand him, and instead of learning from the legend, he dismissed him as unqualified. Guarantee the offensive problems the last couple years were as much to blame on Sitake, if not more, than Detmer. I don't trust or respect Sitake with how he handled it. He proved he's nothing more than a Fullback mentality, which is a recipe for disaster as a head coach. Plus, if he wasn't a bit ashamed, he wouldn't have hid for 6 months after firing him before speaking to anyone.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2018 12:21 p.m.

    BlueHusky:

    "I respect BYU much more than other teams who schedule Division III teams as 'warmups' and fear taking on a real team like BYU."

    Who are you talking about? Which FBS teams are scheduling D-III programs? You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you. The only lower division programs that I'm familiar with which FBS teams have been scheduling as "warmups", are FCS teams. And for the record, YOU guys do that TOO! In fact, you all haven't missed a chance to play some powderpuff FCS team even ONCE since going indy-irrelevant. And furthermore, in the period since Crowton had been run out of town, thru your current 2018 season, the indy-WACers have scheduled 11 such matchups. At least Utah had only scheduled 9. Typical hypocritical coug.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 12, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    @worf

    "Had the Alabama coaching staff been the BYU coaching staff, you wouldn't have seen a 4-9 record.

    Good coaches can be found without an inflated payroll and let's hope the cougs will correct the ship."

    *****

    I doubt very seriously that Saban could have done any better against the competition with a 4th string QB, inexperienced RBs (with a new one every week), and a complete new Receiving corps. Not to mention a new D line, new and injured Mikes, and 2nd and 3rd string CBs... We will never know... But Saban wouldn't coach here because he would require the salary of about 5 or 6 Sitake's and because the AD at BYU does not have the ability to get us into a P-5 Conference.

    As I have said earlier, Sitake has been as bad or worse than Detmer (because Detmer had legitimate excuses) and Sitake didn't know how to help him... It's also ridiculous that Tuiaki skates while Detmer (a BYU legend) is sent home without even having an opportunity to coach his own recruits.

    And, believing that quality coaches (who have to be cheap and thus are inexperienced) can come into a new program and create winning magic is living in Fantasy Land.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Feb. 12, 2018 10:23 a.m.

    Of course Utah fans will make all P5s equal, because that's what they've got. Utah hasn't won the division yet, wait, I know I know you "tied" USC once upon a time with USC having won the tie breaker therefor you really didn't tie - but still, Ute trolls have the P5 label and that's all.

    As for the BYU cupcake schedule - no doubt that Utah plays a heavier later schedule and get's beat up half way through and falls apart while BYU plays a heavier front end schedule and generally has the hardest September in CFB and sometimes falls apart from injuries right after that. The funny thing is that Utah plays the same teams that BYU plays as cupcakes and because we play them at the end when we are beat up and they play them at the beginning we are getting a softer run?

    No doubt BYU was a mess in 2017 - had BYU not started with teams like Wisconsin and LSU then it's unlikely that the injuries would have happened and a mediocre BYU team would have limped to a bowl game rather than being decimated by hard competition early on and struggling after that.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 12, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    Coaches matter! It just didn't work out last year and Sitake did what needed to be done. Difficult decision and he did it.

    Had the Alabama coaching staff been the BYU coaching staff, you wouldn't have seen a 4-9 record.

    Good coaches can be found without an inflated payroll and let's hope the cougs will correct the ship.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 9:49 a.m.

    @GJ

    Well said! I was going to make the same point myself.

    According to Ute "fans", all P5 teams are equal, and each is better than any non-P5 team, which are equal to each other. That is, unless they're not (which Ute "fans" are at liberty to decide when they aren't, which will only/always be used in an attempt to diminish BYU).

    @Kimmy

    "It is so hilarious seeing the blue faithful try to disparage P5 teams, while crying as they continue to look longing through the window wishing they could get in."

    You think BYU fans are hilarious? Try reading the comments of the Ute "fans" like yourself. You haven't seen hypocrisy and double standards until you've read those.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    I love those who say, "how can you argue with Detmer being fired? He was awful!" Well, here's why: The previous year, that same coach was 9-4, with the four losses coming by a combined 8 points to Utah, UCLA, West Virginia, and Boise State. He had to modify his coaching philosophy to use a running quarterback who was neither a superb runner that year nor a very accurate passer. He did have a very dependable running back, but the receiving corps was nothing to get particularly excited about. The point is he didn't have an all-star cast to work with, but was close to having great results. The difference the next year was a QB who didn't see open receivers and often was off target with the ones he did; running backs who couldn't gain significant yardage; receivers who couldn't get open; and injuries the likes of which I haven't seen in following BYU football since the late 70's; they ended up using *five* quarterbacks and had no consistency at any other "skill" position either.

    I honestly hope Kalani was right; I don't want BYU to be unsuccessful another two or three years with him then getting fired. At this point, though, I am really quite skeptical of his judgment.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    It was either him or Detmer!

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    " but for every Wisconsin they play, they also play an Illinois, and for every LSU they play, they play Vanderbilt. BYU didn't play any conference cellar dwellars (unless you count Utah, who byu hasn't beaten in 8 years), and in addition played BSU and Fresno State which were both better than many P5 teams".

    "If you want teams from power conferences how about Minnesota, Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, Kansas, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Oregon State, Duke, Syracuse, etc. "

    It is so hilarious seeing the blue faithful try to disparage P5 teams, while crying as they continue to look longing through the window wishing they could get in.

    And, as much as byu fans like to list the ineptitude of teams such as Minnesota, Illinois or Vanderbuilt... it's a safe bet any of them could finish with winning records against the cupcakes byu schedules each year. Seriously... Wagner, UMass, Liberty, Savannah State, Middle Tennessee State, and our favorite, Delusional State. LOL

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    “but for every Wisconsin they play, they also play an Illinois, and for every LSU they play, they play Vanderbilt. BYU didn't play any conference cellar dwellars (unless you count Utah), and in addition played BSU and Fresno State which were both better than many P5 teams.”

    I’d love to see byu/bsu/fsu play against Illinois’/Vanderbilt’s schedules & see how they fare.

    And attempting in vain to discount my Utes only makes byu look worse, since they can never ever beat us, ever.

    We could’ve just as easily finished 7-2 in conference play w/our narrow Ls against Stanford/Usc/Wazzu/Uw that literally could’ve gone either way, period.

    7 straight & counting & 12/15.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Feb. 11, 2018 11:00 p.m.

    It's spreading, as more people realize how Kalani dumped on Ty. No professional coach with any developmental or leadership skill or big picture vision would have treated BYU's best "public icon #1" football asset in such a manner. All the talk about patience and commitment to ride out the offensive rebuild to pro-style went right out the window at the first fan pressure after a lousy year. My mother used to call Kalani's action "cutting off your nose to spite your face", Now the writing's on the wall...Kalani has lost the confidence of much of Cougar Nation. Nothing in the program has markedly improved as a result of his hiring...in fact, recruiting, performance and player discipline have all taken a hit. I was hopeful for him at first, although he wasn't my first choice, but he is becoming more and more of a disappointment. I was never concerned that Detmer's firing was "personal". It was bad because it was stupid and wrong. How wrong is still unfolding, and will continue to do so over time, just on it's own merits.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Feb. 11, 2018 9:00 p.m.

    It will be Sitake then Holmoe who is gone next. Like many who have commented, Sitake may be over his head here in management ability. Holmoe should also go if things don’t get dramatically better this year. Holmoe has presided over the biggest downfall of BYU athletics...ever. His decisions have not exactly worked out as he wanted. No P5 conference membership. Detmer was his idea. Sitake might also be a bust. Rose and the LP3 mess. Athletes not willing to come or leaving early. Holmoe leads all of this mess.....

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    Feb. 11, 2018 8:22 p.m.

    "P5 schools play 8-10 games annually against P5 opponents. byu plays against P5 opponents for less than half of their schedule, and the fanbase calls for a "reasonable" schedule."

    First off I don't have a problem with the schedule BYU played. That being said, let's look at your statement. Yes P5 schools play 8-10 P5 schools every year, but for every Wisconsin they play, they also play an Illinois, and for every LSU they play, they play Vanderbilt. BYU didn't play any conference cellar dwellars (unless you count Utah), and in addition played BSU and Fresno State which were both better than many P5 teams.

  • Caddis Terry, MT
    Feb. 11, 2018 7:40 p.m.

    Amen Poyman

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 11, 2018 6:16 p.m.

    @worf

    "...Sitake did what needed to be done. That's what a leader does."

    *******

    Why does Sitake get a pass and Detmer doesn't? In fact, how is it that Tuiaki avoided the white hook? Both sides of the ball were bad and Detmer at least had some excuses.

    But then you are talking about a program where the Director has been taking the Revenue Generating Sports on a nose dive and hasn't been held accountable by the BOTs or the Administration. No P-5 Conference membership, shrinking attendance, deteriorating performance on a year to year basis, horrible home scheduling, and consequently horrible recruiting (92nd out of 125??) for the future.

    If the program is going to continue to hire Apprentices to Coach and Manage our Revenue Generating Sports Programs, then plan on "Development" with a capital "D" and be fair about the evaluations. Tuiaki, Sitake, and Holmoe should have been on the same train out of town as they put Detmer on.

    If pressure is coming from the BOTs and the Administration for better performance NOW... Then they need to write much bigger checks and hire higher quality Journeymen with clout to Direct, Coach and Manage our Revenue Generating Sports Programs.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 11, 2018 5:59 p.m.

    @ 65 trap

    "Some fans need to grow up and get over the firing."

    ************

    It's not about growing up... It's about picking a strategy and sticking with it. Who would have thought that a first year FBS coach could step into a program's OC position where he had to deal with players that he himself did not recruit and be expected to deliver a bowl eligible team when he had to go with 3rd and 4th string QBs , an entirely new receiving corp, and a different inexperienced running back every week? Oh, and BTW, play a very difficult schedule (LSU, Wisconsin, Mississippi State, etc.

    One would expect that it would take 3 or 4 years to "develop" (a word the current coaching staff likes to use for a poor recruiting job) into the position. If you are not committing to develop the OC then get a Journeyman (and BTW, I don't know of any Journeymen out there that could have pulled it off either.

    The problem was and is thatwe have a head coach who has little to no experience in coaching the "O" side of the ball himself (and his Defense resume isn't all that good either... i.e. OSU).

    Sitake is not the biggest problem though... It all starts with Holmoe.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 11, 2018 5:36 p.m.

    Of the coaches who were released.

    How many have been picked up by another team to coach?

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 5:34 p.m.

    Talking leadership Wayne Rout is right on. I don’t have a problem with hiring Grimes but then Sitake does the same bad thing in foisting Aaron Roderick (his former U pal) on Grimes as a viable option for QB coach. Roderick has been consistently a mediocre offensive coach. He was not only demoted but fired too at the U. The only difference between Detmer and Roderick is Ty only got two years to make it and Roderick got enough to prove he never would. When Sitake allowed Roderick to hang around practice even before the season started I knew Ty had a detractor behind his back. This will not end well.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 5:10 p.m.

    “I still have no clue why we were so hot to recruit Sitake as our Head Coach”

    poboy:

    You must be the only one, because everyone else who read the DNews 2 years ago does. It’s because Holmoe wanted to get the Lavell band back together and told Ken Nuimatalolo he couldn’t bring the triple-option to Provo. So when Nuimatalolo said “No thanks” and got a raise from Navy, Kalani was the only one left willing to take on the OC Holmoe had always wanted, Ty ‘Freaking’ Detmer.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 3:59 p.m.

    Ty wasn't the problem. It was a group of inept QBs that were not capable of reading a defense or changing the play at the line of scrimmage and who continually stared down their receivers all season. This was coupled with a group of timid receivers who were not willing to go after the ball when they needed too.

    They should have pulled Mangum much earlier in the season too. He was not the best option simply because of his limited mobility. When the pocket broke down, which happened frequently, he was dead meat.

    With the same group coming back next year, you can expect the same results.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 11, 2018 3:16 p.m.

    Hmm? Like politics, it's amazing how folks can form opinions and statements based on ignorance.

    BYU had a terrible offense and the record speaks for itself. Changes had to be made.

    Sitake did what needed to be done. That's what a leader does.

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 1:59 p.m.

    Handled like 4th and 19.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    Feb. 11, 2018 12:15 p.m.

    65 traps: “Sitaki did what had to be done. BYU's offense under Detmer was one of the worst in Division I. Some fans need to grow up and get over the firing.”

    Your coach has been there over two years and is a former BYU-P player. Sitaki (sic); really?

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Feb. 11, 2018 11:52 a.m.

    Someone said once that being fired is the nearest thing to death one can experience. You are doing your job one day and the next you are gone. As a professional manager I would deem it my responsibility if I had to release so many folks that I had hired. I think the current head coach has confused cheer leading with managing. Hiring is the most important decision a leader can make. Firing means that you have failed. First, you hired the wrong person. Second ,you gave them poor direction. Third, you did not work with them to make them successful.

    In fact, firing someone is about as personal as things can get. It affects not only the person fired but their spouse, their kids, and many others. I am far away from the situation, but I can assure you that in all probability they fired the wrong persons. A mature manager does not have to release their hires very often. Hiring another Offensive Coordinator that has no experience based on a phone conversation sounds like we are going to get more of the same. A coach must first be an effective manger. He must accept responsibility for his decisions and his failures. Cosmo could be just as effective.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Feb. 11, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    Talking schedule we can copy the Boise State model , 1-2 P5 teams a season, usually middle of the pack. The rest play mtn west type teams with one sub division . Since we don’t have a playoff then schedule at Hawaii every year and pick up a 13th game. We could probably play a new year 6 every 2-3 years and a lot more top 25 rankings. With this success a P5 conference will invite the Y. Then we could be more like Utah, a middle of the pac P5 team.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 11, 2018 9:32 a.m.

    "P5 schools play 8-10 games annually against P5 opponents. byu plays against P5 opponents for less than half of their schedule, and the fanbase calls for a "reasonable" schedule. "

    "If you want teams from power conferences how about Minnesota, Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, Kansas, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Oregon State, Duke, Syracuse, etc. "

    These two comments show BYU's dilemma: They can schedule the Wisconsins, Washingtons, LSUs, and Stanfords of the world. They can't schedule the bottom feeders of P5 conferences. Why? They fear the beating they could get. Further, BYU vs Kansas is not a marque game for ESPN. Utah would love to duck BYU, but Utahans won't let them. Kudos to Ole Miss and Mississippi State for playing BYU. They took their defeats with grace. MSU had the good luck to have BYU at home last year and crushed that depleted team.

    BYU has assigned itself a very difficult independence schedule. More power to them.

    I respect BYU much more than other teams who schedule Division III teams as "warmups" and fear taking on a real team like BYU.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 11, 2018 9:21 a.m.

    Sitaki did what had to be done. BYU's offense under Detmer was one of the worst in Division I. Some fans need to grow up and get over the firing.

  • Raymond Babbitt Cincinnati, OH
    Feb. 11, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    Mountainman38 makes a valid point about scheduling. My ... some of you were up late last night.

  • Old Cougar Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 7:44 a.m.

    Memory loss is a terrible thing, but I seem to recall that most of BYU's football aspects were dismal during the 2017 year -- Recruiting, 4-9, QB, RB, OL, DB, LB, DL, ST, etc.

    I've got to be wrong. Someone, please refresh my memory about 2017's bright spots.

  • Caddis Terry, MT
    Feb. 11, 2018 6:00 a.m.

    None of us will ever know the conversations and all that went into this. At this point, I wish the way it was rolled out could have been different. To break the news by publicly coming out and saing that Detmer was “Relieved of his duties” sounded like a battleship commander being hauled off of the bridge of the ship for wreckless behavior. It was classless.
    If that many people were hired, and turn out to be that bad, and Sitake is the only good hire of the bunch, well that was a lot of poor hiring, and whose fault is that? And I dont buy that all those folks were forced on Sitake.
    Life goes on. I can accept the new hires and I’m still true and blue. But the program is dealing with a huge black eye right now. I believe Sitake needs to put the same expectations on himself as he has expected of others. If no bowl game this year he should resign.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Feb. 11, 2018 2:11 a.m.

    The handling of Detmer is an epic failure and embarrassment. Detmer is a legend and Heisman winner. Byu-p lost nearly every game because of vastly inferior talent on the field, except an outside linebacker and a tight end. Every other player would be on the practice squad at Utah. Detmer was discarded and used as a scapegoat.

    Sitake will be likely be fired this season or next. Utah will pick him up to be their defensive line coach and recruiter.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 11, 2018 12:48 a.m.

    I still have no clue why we were so hot to recruit Sitake as our Head Coach... His experience as coach at the FBS level was primarily Defense... He had an okay run at utah, but he and Tuiaki stunk it up at Oregon State.

    We were told by Holmoe that his strength was in recruiting... 92nd is a strength? His first year was decent with BYU but then that was with Bronco recruits... He had the advantage of having Hill and Mangum and Jamaal as a RB, and a very good crop of Receivers... In short, he was the President of Victory (thank you Bronco). After watching him for 2 years now and seeing how he took BYU legends and made them scapegoats in protection of his own hide (and Tuiaki's hide as well), I have come to the conclusion that his real strength was that he was cheap and had a good personality. And our BOT's love "cheap".

    At some point the BOTs and the Administration have to realize that Holmoe is killing our Revenue Programs and that Sitake is in over his head. We always like to talk about how we want to compete at the highest levels but we always go for the cheap apprentices to manage the programs... "Talk is cheap"... It's about time we actually "walk the talk".

  • Mountainman38 Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 11, 2018 12:11 a.m.

    What do you mean "play a cupcake schedule?" That BYU 2018 home schedule is enough to strike terror into a Cougar season ticket holder's credit card.

    At this point it is insanity to schedule teams like Washington and Wisconsin in the future. If you want teams from power conferences how about Minnesota, Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, Kansas, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Oregon State, Duke, Syracuse, etc. Give the young Cougs a chance to rebuild and regain their confidence. Repeating schedules where you get your head beat in the first half of of the season is sheer stupidity. There is nothing wrong with playing cupcakes, as long as you don't lose to them (Utah State, UMass, etc). A 10-2 season against cupcakes is better that a likely 5-7 record a schedule as they have now for a number of reasons such as recruiting, bowl games, etc.

  • Uncle Leo New York, NY
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:17 p.m.

    It sounds like Coach Sitake has been watching The Godfather (1972). "It's not personal Sonny (Ty) ... it's strictly business."

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:40 p.m.

    People knew from the beginning that this BYU player reunion of a coaching staff was not going to end well. It didnt.

    Despite his professional credibility, it was hard to expect Detmer to out compete experienced defensive coordinators especially with the players he had at BYU. Then throw in the fact that he ended up with a 4th string QB because of injurys, how would you expect him to succeed?

    Altogether, it was losing games that they were expected to win and didnt, regardless of injurys that cost them their jobs.

    TIme will tell. BYU sports is falling and may end up as MT West caliber from now on.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 8:36 p.m.

    Love Ty, but when you’re the OC for one of the worst offenses in the country, someone has to be held responsible.

    I respect Sitake for making a very tough decision.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Feb. 10, 2018 8:02 p.m.

    I don’t know how anyone could disagree with firing Detmer. He coached by far the worst offensive performance in BYU history, perhaps in the history of college football in the state of Utah. He had to go. When the results are that bad, excuses don’t matter.
    You can argue that Sitake should go as well (I think it was right to give him another year to show improvement with a staff of his own choosing) but you can’t make a good case for keeping Detmer.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 7:39 p.m.

    Demoted? Why so tip-toey about it? He was fired, not demoted.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 6:53 p.m.

    @Carcab,

    I'm a high caliber LDS coach (my kid's flag football team didn't lose once! Not once!) and I'd be willing to coach the BYU football team, even at a reduced salary of $1,000,000/yr. Sometimes it's worth the sacrifice for something you love.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:49 p.m.

    Just think: If Holmoe hadn't insisted on hiring Detmer as OC, BYU-P wouldn't have wasted 2 years and gotten progressively worse the whole time. The current coach would be that Ken guy from Navy instead of Sitake. Players would still respect the BYU-P program. The last recruiting class wouldn't be ranked 95th in the country, or whatever it was.

    It's ironic that one BYU-P football legend (Holmoe) hiring another BYU-P football legend (Detmer) is what ultimately lead to the death of BYU-P football.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:46 p.m.

    What is a 'reasonable" schedule? One that allows for backing into a 10 win season by playing more cupcakes, all the while insisting that byu is relevant in today's college scene?

    P5 schools play 8-10 games annually against P5 opponents. byu plays against P5 opponents for less than half of their schedule, and the fanbase calls for a "reasonable" schedule. 😂

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:37 p.m.

    I support Sitake in his letting Detmer go. It must have been excruciating to make that call but it had to be done. I just don’t know if he improved the coaching staff. I guess time will tell.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:17 p.m.

    Oh Really?

    "The schedule was ridiculous as were expectations. That schedule would’ve crushed most of LaVell’s best teams."

    Then LaVell must have built his reputation on uber weak SOS. Because your SOS last year ranked in the mid-70s. That's the bottom half of the FBS.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 10, 2018 4:21 p.m.

    Oh Really - Bronco did have a lot to learn. Some of the most important stuff he never did learn. My supposition is that he continues to create hate and discontent wherever he goes. . .

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 10, 2018 4:17 p.m.

    So then, Ty was 'demoted'. What? To non-coach. Seems to me it was a lot like a firing for cause.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Feb. 10, 2018 4:05 p.m.

    Had to be hard.

    In any business, it's much easier to hire than fire.

  • Carcab Fresno, CA
    Feb. 10, 2018 3:27 p.m.

    At Fresno State a new foot ball coach did fairly well until his predecessor's recruits graduated, the they plummeted to 13-1. All assistant coached were fired and replaced. The following year, things got worse. Then the coach was fired and replaced. Fresno State did a 180 degree turnaround.
    Sitake is the problem, but he'll be hard to replace because there aren't that many high caliber LDS coaches who are willing to coach BYU.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Feb. 10, 2018 3:09 p.m.

    This may have been a difficult move to make, but I believe it had the support of the Cougar faithful. Nobody ever thought it was anything more than that.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:46 p.m.

    Bronco HAD a lot to learn.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:43 p.m.

    I thought Sitake a good hire at the time. He has charisma. I am not sure he is competent as a head coach. Time will tell.

    Bronco has a lot to learn as a head coach and made a ton of progress.

    The only position group that improved was TE (and that could’ve been just the infusion of new talent). The rest went backwards.

    Moving Kaufusi from DL to LB.

    Tuitaki was not as good at DL as Kaufusi, but didn’t want to do LB, so, Kaufusi, meet bus. Sitake backed the bus up and ran over Kaufusi again when he fired him.

    BYU let the best position coach they had go, and replaced him with Cahoon, who has now been fired TWICE at BYU.

    Mahe had no experience.

    My conclusion is that much of 2016’s success was built on a foundation left by the last staff and the talents of Hill and Williams.

    The schedule was ridiculous as were expectations. That schedule would’ve crushed most of LaVell’s best teams.

    Sitake made a bunch of bad hires. Detmer wasn’t one of them. With assistants of his own choosing, fewer injuries and a reasonable schedule the offense would’ve been better.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:31 p.m.

    “so it’s better for me to always tell the truth. My wife knows when I’m about to lie before the words ever come out of my mouth.”

    What a fascinating thing to say.