Book review: 'Scripture Study Made Simple: The Old Testament' shares text, insights

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  • kvnsmnsn Springville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    Sharrona posted:

    =Sorry my response was denied.

    That's okay Sharrona. I've had that happen to me at times too!

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 8:18 a.m.

    RE KevinSim:” By then Elohim was so ingrained into Jewish tradition that they couldn't change it, so they just changed its meaning.” Sorry my response was denied.

    @bass679 CMTM,Christian married to a Mormon, Sharrona (inactive)

  • bass679 Novi, MI
    Feb. 13, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    @KevinSim
    I've tried this before. CMTM and Sharrona don't actually respond. They have a set of copy paste responses with scripture snippets and their commentary that they will post. They won't actually respond to your statements. Or at least they never have when I've tried to engage in actual discussion.

  • KevinSim Springville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 4:18 p.m.

    CMTM posted:

    =KevinSim – Monotheism. Hear, O Israel: The LORD(YHWH) our God(Elohim), the
    =‘LORD is one” .(Deut 6:4)
    =
    =Jesus,' Hear O Israel, the Lord(Kurios) our God(O Theos G.) is One Lord,(Mt
    =12:29)

    Okay, CMTM, you began your post with my name, but for the life of me I don't understand what your point is. Can you tell me what you're trying to say?

  • CMTM , 00
    Feb. 12, 2018 2:07 p.m.

    KevinSim – Monotheism. Hear, O Israel: The LORD(YHWH) our God(Elohim), the ‘LORD is one” .(Deut 6:4)

    Jesus,' Hear O Israel, the Lord(Kurios) our God(O Theos G.) is One Lord,(Mt 12:29)

    "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."(Romans 10:13) " a Creedal expression of the early church:

    The LORD reference here is to Yahweh(Jesus). Paul quotes(Joel 2:32)."And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.

    RE: Virgin Birth. Alma 7:10, who shall be *overshadowed and conceive by the power of the ‘Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God

    *overshadow is God’s glorious presence at work . (Ex 40:34-35) “ and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

    Gen 3:15 The Protoevangelium, ”the seed of the woman is a man”, and yet in Rom 16:20 he is called the God of peace, which identifies him as the Lord Jesus Christ. The reference to the seed of the woman as Christ is to related to the Virgin birth of the Messiah, as well as the Hypostatic union of the Divine nature with the Human nature of Christ. “ when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son , ’Made of a Woman…”Gal 4:4).

  • KevinSim Springville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    [continued from above]
    The virgin Mary DIDN'T call her son's name Immanuel; she called her son's name Jesus. Jesus was born 700 years after Syria and Israel were "forsaken of both ... kings," way, way too late. And the original Hebrew version of Isaiah 7 didn't say anything about a virgin conceiving; the word translated as virgin was almah; Jewish scholars make a pretty convincing case that almah DOESN'T mean virgin. In short, it's hard to imagine a prophecy being LESS fulfilled by an event than Isaiah 7:14 was by the birth of Jesus.

  • KevinSim Springville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    CMTM posted:

    =Isa 7:14 LXX)”... Behold, a virgin(Parthenos) shall conceive, and bear a son,
    =and shall call his name Immanuel.
    =
    =Fulfilled prophecy “..., fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that
    =which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit(G. pneuma) Mt 1:20
    =
    =Matthew 1:23 "Behold! The virgin(Parthenos) will be with child and will give
    =birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel" (which means, "God with us").

    Wow, CMTM, if this is a fulfilled prophecy, then how can you claim that any of Joseph Smith's prophecies weren't fulfilled? There were three elements of the Isaiah 7:14 prophesy, the virgin conceiving, calling her son's name Immanuel, and the disappearance of the two kings mentioned in verses 1-9 and then again in 16, Rezin of Syria and Pekah of Israel.

    [continued below]

  • KevinSim Springville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 12:03 p.m.

    CMTM posted:

    =In Hebrew the form of the word Elohim, with the ending -im, which normally
    =indicates a masculine plural, however with Elohim the construction is usually
    =grammatically SINGULAR, (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective) when
    =referring to the Hebrew God, but grammatically plural (i.e. taking a plural
    =verb or adjective) when used of pagan[LDS] divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7).

    The simplest explanation for this is that the oral tradition that Genesis came from contained legends of the creation of the world by a group of deities, and only when the Jews made their transition to monotheism did the term make its transition to singular. By then Elohim was so ingrained into Jewish tradition that they couldn't change it, so they just changed its meaning.

  • CMTM , 00
    Feb. 12, 2018 11:43 a.m.

    RE: Moresureword. Jesus Christ" in the Old Testament .” True,

    Isa 7:14 LXX)”… Behold, a virgin(Parthenos) shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Fulfilled prophecy “…, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit(G. pneuma) Mt 1:20

    Matthew 1:23 "Behold! The virgin(Parthenos) will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel" (which means, "God with us").

    "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will *overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God(Luke 1:35 NIV,NET…)

    @Scripture study, Isaiah . "LDS Bible Dictionary. Esaias The New Testament (Greek) form of the name Isaiah (Luke 4:17 NIV,NET...)

    Esaias was also a prophet who lived in the days of Abraham (D&C 76:100; 84:11)? JS did not read Greek. Actually,

    Esaias is the Old Testament( Greek Septuagint), name for “Isaiah”. “ who lived in the days of… Hezekiah,(not Abraham) kings of Judah.” (Isa 1:1).

    Strong #2268. Isaiah is transliterated Esaias in N.T. of the KJV. an Israelite prophet

  • moresureword Maple Grove, MN
    Feb. 12, 2018 9:13 a.m.

    I appreciate a book that allows non-Mormons to "apply the commentary to his or her own scripture study."

    This book, as offered by Deseret Book, claims that it "will illuminate the sacred words of the prophets as they teach and testify of Jesus Christ" in the Old Testament.

    To me, the most important message of the Old Testament is found in the words of Isaiah, as this prophet testifies of our responsibilities towards the poor:

    “When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the LORD will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them.” (Isaiah 41:17.)

    Although God will not forsake the poor, he depends on us to do His work: “to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house [and] when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him . …”” (Isaiah 58:6-7.)

    If we do not provide the basics for human survival to the poor of the world, as God commands, we are warned in Matthew 25 that we will be found on the left hand of Christ at the last day.

  • CMTM , 00
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:48 a.m.

    RE: "Scripture Study Made Simple can enhance anyone's understanding of the Old Testament". With Strong’s concordance. E.g…,

    In Hebrew the form of the word Elohim, with the ending -im, which normally indicates a masculine plural, however with Elohim the construction is usually grammatically SINGULAR, (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective) when referring to the Hebrew God, but grammatically plural (i.e. taking a plural verb or adjective) when used of pagan[LDS] divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7).

    See # 430 Strong’s Hebrew concordance translates Elohim to God in the (KJV) Translation H #430 : God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).

    VS, Joseph Smith ,“Eloheim is from the word Eloi, God is singular number; and by adding the word heim ,it renders it Gods.” ( H of C, 1844)