Can Utah, BYU, USU be more active in protecting the state's high school recruiting turf?

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  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Feb. 10, 2018 12:43 a.m.

    "Or you can come to BYU-P highly rated as Heaps and Mangum and leave as a nothing."

    Heard that before, yet Kansas and Miami were also busts for heaps, yet it's BYU's fault.

    Maybe, just maybe the stars system fails us and recruits don't always follow a HS trajectory in college.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    Feb. 9, 2018 12:12 p.m.

    BubbleBoy: “It looks like since Utah has recent proven history of making their 2 and 3 star players into NFL talent, the analyst now move potential recruits up in the rankings when Utah offers and or signs players. In other words if they are rated as a 2 star then become a 3 star. Interesting logic. If you play for the U and are a second and third string LB with a potential NFL talent starting for your program you become more athletic and can run faster and lift more. ”

    Or you can come to BYU-P highly rated as Heaps and Mangum and leave as a nothing. I don’t see any potentially great young player wanting to be “coached down” into oblivion.

  • Bubble boy utes Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:03 a.m.

    I found a piece to the puzzle.

    "One thing 247Sports does is look at the track record of college programs putting players into the NFL, especially lower-rated prospects. If a school is known for turning two and three-star prospects into NFL players, the analysts might give the school the benefit of the doubt when they offer a similarly rated player." (John Talty, 2015)

    It looks like since Utah has recent proven history of making their 2 and 3 star players into NFL talent, the analyst now move potential recruits up in the rankings when Utah offers and or signs players. In other words if they are rated as a 2 star then become a 3 star. Interesting logic. If you play for the U and are a second and third string LB with a potential NFL talent starting for your program you become more athletic and can run faster and lift more.

    The "pixie dust" is flowing!

  • Bubble boy utes Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 7:35 a.m.

    I find it laughable that Thomas Yassmin was a 2 star recruit with a ranking of .7671 and when he signed with Utah he’s now listed as a 3 star .8399 rating.

    Did he get better overnight? Perhaps they overlooked him and forgot to update his ranking from his junior year. Fishy to me.

    I wonder how much weight is given in their system/calculation to who is recruiting each player.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:41 p.m.

    BYU made it's mark recruiting from islands.

    Do we really need to "own" the state of Utah for recruiting?

    I don't know that it's needed, since BYU in particular would be going after the best LDS athletes anywhere, is it fair to try and lock up all in-state talent also?

    I get the perspective, I just don't share concern over it. But it's a story and here's my comment so kudos to the author.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    "the three BCS schools in the state"

    toothlesscoogsDotCom:

    Proof that coog fans live in an alternate dimension.

  • CougarProsDotCom Altadena, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:36 p.m.

    When the best record of the three BCS schools in the state is 7-6, no, you aren't going to get the majority of the best players in the state to stay.

  • drski eden, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:09 a.m.

    There is no question the local schools need to do a better job of recruiting!!! you can't lose the top 5 players in the state ( last year 9 of 10 ) and be happy!! kids go where they feel wanted and loved!!

  • PDN SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:49 a.m.

    Some kids want a different experience away from home. That is great. There are plenty of quality players who want to play at Utah schools. Personally, I really don't follow native Utahns who leave the State unless they happen to play in the PAC 12 and the Utes are playing them that week. The kids who grind, sweat and bleed for the Utes are the guys I follow, regardless of where they went to HS.

  • Adinfinitum Orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    I know people make a living scouting and ranking high school talent. I believe that the top 100 or so athletes around the nation are easier to see their overall talent and strength when compared to the majority of high school players. It makes sense to me why Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, perform well on the field with a yearly influx of top level talent. The counter argument is Texas. All the talent in the world (according to the scouting sites) but avg field results.

    I also believe in the opposite side of the spectrum the schools who fill their roster with smaller less athletic recruits can’t compete with the top tier group. But for the middle section which makes up most of the P5 and some G5 teams it’s a wash. I believe when taken as an aggregate, recruiting fits a normal curve. To me this is were superior coaching and player development are significant in overall success.

    Good luck to Utah, USU, & BYU.

    Glad that these kids can carry out their dreams of playing college football and get an education.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY St George, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    Cooper Bateman...
    Went to Alabama...
    Saw limited action at QB...
    Morphed into a holder on the PAT team.
    Would it have been better for him to stay in Utah?
    Who knows?
    I celebrate the fact that UTAH HS kids are getting a chance to play after HS.
    It would be fun to watch them play locally.
    However, if it's their choice to go out of state...I wish them well wherever they go.
    Go UTES!

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:07 a.m.

    Im not sure BYU could do much more in state recruiting. It appears that they only recruit Utah schools and church members.

  • MansGame Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 10:02 p.m.

    Recruiting is convoluted and very much a beauty pageant. There are a lot of good kids under-recruited and completely missed. IMO its insular and a bit of laziness. A D1 coach only has so many hours and offers to work. They rely heavily on the opinions of other schools, social media, hyped up highlights and sometimes the misconceptions of others in the mix. The proof is all the kids sitting the bench getting a free education because they were "the guy" that everyone talked up or the coaches "best kid"

    Fixes: Watch whole game film, bring your prospects to a closed camp to see them compete and avoid the hype, go by the numbers. Stats vs the best teams are the best indicator. Thats why difficulty of schedule matters.

  • Gathers Draper, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 7:30 p.m.

    Dick, do your research...Utah got 5 and BYU 3 of the top 15 in-state kids. Compare that to others in the West:

    Washington - 5
    Wash St - 3
    Oregon - 3
    Oregon St - 3
    Colorado - 3
    ASU - 1
    Arizona - 1

    Seems like the local schools are getting their fair share in today’s environment. Kids want to leave home...part of the excitement of growing up.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 7:02 p.m.

    Not sure Lamb can be considered an expert on Utah recruiting... his current recruiting class is ranked in the 90s.