BYU football: Gunner Romney highlights an otherwise low-ranked 2018 signing class

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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 13, 2018 11:26 a.m.

    lack of reasoning:

    "It's laughable how obsessed Utah fans are with SOS when it fits their narrative."

    No, what's "laughable" is how obsessed Utah's little brothers are with us that they're forced to CHANGE the narrative into some ridiculous and wholly unsupportable "hypothetical game" wherein -- per indy-WACer tradition -- Utah always loses. How desperate of you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 13, 2018 11:26 a.m.

    SCgrad:

    "Let me know when you will actually compete in our league."

    Since you're not fooling anyone here, try showing a little respect for yourself by dispensing the lie that you're affiliated with any institution outside of Provostan.

    Now that we've dispensed that myth, we already HAVE proven that we compete fairly well in the league. It's the indy-WACers who struggle once they face off vs. a Pac-12 team. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2018 8:01 p.m.

    BlueHusky:

    "Yeah sure, you'd rather be mediocre in a P5 conference, but the fact is, nobody watches Utah outside of Salt Lake City. Sorry guys, just the facts. BYU is watched nationally. Fact."

    That doesn't make any sense. If "nobody watches Utah outside of Salt Lake City", whereas our small-ball playing indy-WACey little brothers are "watched nationally"...

    ...then why does Utah -- year after year after year after year -- always have the higher television audiences, as per the Nielsen Ratings???

    Here's the REAL "fact": Utah is a bigger national draw than the indy-WACers.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 12, 2018 1:09 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    124 years and ZERO

    National Championships
    Heisman Trophies
    National Hall of Fame Players
    Best QBs
    Best RBs
    Best Passers

    and only TWO 11+ win seasons

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Feb. 11, 2018 1:07 p.m.

    Road Runner - Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:04 a.m.
    WACpaddled

    Unfortunately for U,

    the Utes have no legacy.

    Your best team ever, finished a distant 2nd in one poll.

    Your best QB ever, finished 4th in the Heisman.

    You’ve never had a single National Hall of Fame Player.

    You’ve never had the best QB, Passer, RB, or Interior Lineman in the country.

    You’ve never been ranked #1 in any major poll.

    And, you only have two 11+ win seasons in your entire history.
    _____

    40+ years and no conference invite. That is your legacy.

    .....and the dish ran off with the spoon.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    BYU fans:
    Enough spin about star ratings being subjective...do you even know what goes into the recruiting rankings? And then look at the 247 composite which takes all the major recruiting services into account. These aren't guys "sitting in their basement" watching video...they do this for a living. BYU fans ahould be horrified at this kind of result from a guy who was supposed to be a great recruiter.

    Ute fans:
    The only reason you even comment on BYU is that is the only place you can talk yourself up. U are not blue blood by a long shot and U never will be. There are about 25 teams every year that have a shot at the hardware and U aren't one of them (U wouldn't even be one if it were 40). So congrats on your P5 status but until U actually do something with it, no one cares.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:04 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    Unfortunately for U,

    the Utes have no legacy.

    Your best team ever, finished a distant 2nd in one poll.

    Your best QB ever, finished 4th in the Heisman.

    You’ve never had a single National Hall of Fame Player.

    You’ve never had the best QB, Passer, RB, or Interior Lineman in the country.

    You’ve never been ranked #1 in any major poll.

    And, you only have two 11+ win seasons in your entire history.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 7:35 a.m.

    For my byu friends, all is not lost. There will be a player or two who was under-valued or develops into an NFL prospect. The recruits are heavy on "island" players as I thought Coach S would do better with. I am not sure any of this should brighten a byu fans optimism for the next few years. Still we all cheer for our schools during the good times and the hard times.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 11:55 p.m.

    Over 60 posts from rival obsessed Utah fans on one article about BYU recruiting..

    Time and again our little brothers demonstrate why they’re considered the 2nd most rival obsessed fans in the country.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Feb. 9, 2018 8:30 p.m.

    Y's little brother - Sandy, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:05 a.m.
    SoonerUte

    "Ahhhh... my favorite part of the comments... when we go off topic and reminisce about things that used to be great back in the 80's."

    Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories...

    In addition to all of BYU's nationally significant accomplishments from 1977 to 2001,

    National Championship
    Heisman Trophy
    Nation's Best QB, Passer, RB, and Interior Lineman
    13 AP Top 25 Finishes
    6 National Hall of Fame Players

    BYU also had more 11+ Win, Top 15 finishes from 2006 to 2009, than the Utes have had in their entire history.
    _____

    LOL! Your legacy has rewarded you with a "low ranked 2018 signing class."
    I think you need to go back and reread the article title.
    And the comment referenced by Ed Lamb.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 5:21 p.m.

    Truth Machine - Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 11:39 a.m.
    Uteology

    "A miracle catch was made on 4th and 18 by a NFL WR. Were you expecting the same on the last drive in 2017?"

    It wasn't a "miracle catch", it was a fairly easy catch made by a receiver who simply got behind the Utah defense.

    Besides, BYU didn't need a "miracle catch" in 2017, the Cougars only needed a routine catch to convert a 4th and 4 to keep the drive alive.

    -------------

    It was "magic".

    You are right, it wasn't about the catch, instead it had more to do with the broken coverage by Utah and TWO Utah 15 yards penalties on the drive.

    In 2017, "magic" wouldn't have helped, BYU finished 4-9.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 9, 2018 4:38 p.m.

    * The star studded PAC 12 lost eight bowl games.

    * The Mountain West Conference won twice as many with half the amount of teams participating.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Feb. 9, 2018 3:59 p.m.

    @AZUTE1: "BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools."

    @Truth Machine: "source?"

    AZUTE1's source is a biased Nebraska graduate who claims that he...

    spent 16 years trying to come up with a magic ranking formula before reluctantly coming to the conclusion that no mathematical formula could ever quite be adequate, because nothing can beat a good human ranking based on sound logical reasoning.

    And then he immediately contradicted himself by stating that he...

    has never seen a good human ranking that is based on sound logical reasoning.

    Bottom line:

    His "research" is based on combing through old newspaper articles and then rating teams according to his own biased opinions.

    It's obvious why BYU haters like AZUTE1 would use this guy as their "source" for BYU's 1984 SOS.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 2:01 p.m.

    "Last time I checked there were more total Mormons in California than Utah."

    I doubt you've actually checked, because that's a myth.

    According to the Church Newsroom's facts and statistics:

    Total Church Membership in California: 771,464

    Total Church Membership in Utah: 2,065,808

    But I do agree that I'd like to see BYU get more of the out-of-state LDS talent. This most recent recruiting class would have been a great opportunity. Too bad a terrible season killed it.

  • Rain_Man Portland, OR
    Feb. 9, 2018 12:55 p.m.

    I know BYU is in Utah and that Utah has a lot of Mormons. But when I look at the recruits/commits I'm amazed at how few are coming from other states. There are A LOT of Mormons in the western United States. Last time I checked there were more total Mormons in California than Utah. Washington has tons or Mormons! Especially in pockets like Tri-Cities and Spokane. Beaverton, Oregon; Mormons. Eastern Idaho and Western Wyoming; Mormons. Mesa/Chandler/Snowflake AZ; Mormons. Alberta... you get the point. Yes, Sitake can recruit Polynesian guys pretty well, but GET OUT OF UTAH and recruit the West harder!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 11:39 a.m.

    Uteology

    "A miracle catch was made on 4th and 18 by a NFL WR. Were you expecting the same on the last drive in 2017?"

    It wasn't a "miracle catch", it was a fairly easy catch made by a receiver who simply got behind the Utah defense.

    Besides, BYU didn't need a "miracle catch" in 2017, the Cougars only needed a routine catch to convert a 4th and 4 to keep the drive alive.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 11:27 a.m.

    @sky

    The point is, BYU was only down 6 points with a minute and a half left in the game and possession of the ball in last season's game, more than enough time for BYU to score the winning touchdown.

    Utah fans who arrogantly claim that Utah "dominated" the game and BYU had no chance of beating Utah last season are obviously living in denial.

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    A miracle catch was made on 4th and 18 by a NFL WR. Were you expecting the same on the last drive in 2017?

    The people living in denial are BYU fans.

    We're not saying BYU had "no" chance because miracles do happen. According to ESPN BYU had around a 5% chance winning on last years final drive.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 11:09 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    "BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools."

    source?

    Gotta luv how desperate BYU haters simply toss out subjective claims without citing a legitimate source.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    deductive reasoning:

    "In 2006, BYU faced 4th and 18 at their own 12 yard line with 1:05 left and the game tied 10-10.

    27 seconds later, BYU scored the winning touchdown."

    Uteology:

    "The score was not tied, it was Utah 10 BYU 9. The ball on your own 12 on 4&18 you had no choice but go for it..."

    Who cares?

    With 1:05 left in the game and ball on their own 12, facing 4th and 18, BYU scored the winning touchdown in only 27 seconds.

    And, that is far from the first time BYU has come from behind in the final two minutes to beat Utah.

    The point is, BYU was only down 6 points with a minute and a half left in the game and possession of the ball in last season's game, more than enough time for BYU to score the winning touchdown.

    Utah fans who arrogantly claim that Utah "dominated" the game and BYU had no chance of beating Utah last season are obviously living in denial.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:29 a.m.

    @defective reasoning

    It's never over until it's over.

    In 2006, BYU faced 4th and 18 at their own 12 yard line with 1:05 left and the game tied 10-10.

    27 seconds later, BYU scored the winning touchdown.

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    The score was not tied, it was Utah 10 BYU 9. The ball on your own 12 on 4&18 you had no choice but go for it when a prayer was answered when Collie got behind Utah's coverage.

    Since then you are 1-8 including 1-3 at LES.

  • Utahman23 Herriman, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    @RivertonCoug

    I think you're missing the point. Utah has beaten USC 2 out of the last 4 meetings and was so close to getting 3 out of 4 on the road against a top 10 USC despite recruiting differences.

    Utah has beat BYU 7 times in a row. Somewhere along the way there would be a few close ones but no matter how you spin it, 7 in a row is a clear sign that there is at least a little noticeable difference in talent.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    "Here's the point:

    BYU barely loses to Utah by one point on a failed 2-point attempt in the last minute. Utah fans claim that the winning team dominated the losing team.

    Utah barely loses to USC by one point on a failed 2-point attempt in the last minute. Utah fans claim that it's an indicator that the two teams are on the same level despite recruiting class rankings.

    Do you not see that, or do you refuse to see it? I can't tell with online Ute 'fans'."

    Many of the "usual suspects" are so blinded by their crimson goggles that they can't see anything outside of their little bubble on the hill.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:20 a.m.

    Azute1

    "How bad was Michigan? "

    The Wolverines...

    beat then #1 (finished #18) Miami (22-14)
    lost to #2 Wash (20-11)
    lost to #1 BYU (24-17)

    were ranked as high as #3 during the season,

    and would have played in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their final regular season game.

    A rash of injuries took the Wolverines out of national championship contention in October, but most of those players, including the majority of a very stout defense, were healthy for their bowl game versus BYU.

    The Michigan team that BYU beat in the Holiday Bowl would have destroyed the Pittsburgh team Utah played in the Fiesta Bowl.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 7:21 a.m.

    "rivertoncoog:

    I love it! What goes around, comes around."

    @John

    It looks like you completely missed the point 100%, as did most of your Ute friends.

    Here's the point:

    BYU barely loses to Utah by one point on a failed 2-point attempt in the last minute. Utah fans claim that the winning team dominated the losing team.

    Utah barely loses to USC by one point on a failed 2-point attempt in the last minute. Utah fans claim that it's an indicator that the two teams are on the same level despite recruiting class rankings.

    Do you not see that, or do you refuse to see it? I can't tell with online Ute "fans".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 7:14 a.m.

    Just the FAX - Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 12:05 a.m.
    Azute1

    Air Force wasn’t “ranked” in 1984, but the Falcons did finish higher in the Final AP poll, #24, than Utah’s 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25.

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    Queen of moral victories goes to... Cougar Nation!

    Air Force was NEVER ranked and finished tied with Notre Dame with "other receiving votes" with 26 votes.

    Pitt was ranked AP #19 before Utah took them to the woodshed and finished with 99 votes at #25.

    Had Utah choked to a lower ranked team like BYU does in bowl games (see 2001, 2008) then Pitt would have been be a top 15 team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 7:05 a.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:32 p.m.
    Azute1

    Point differential was meaningless in the BCS ranking system,

    and as far as SOS:

    1984 BYU #82
    2004 Utah #70
    2008 Utah #80

    source: sports-reference.com

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    sports-reference? Is that your own website?

    A SOS with FOUR ranked teams including 2 in the top 7 is ranked #80?

    According to the website "Non-major opponents are included as a single team in the ratings."

    LOL

    What happened to BYU Gold Standard, aka Sagarin?

    Utah beat FOUR ranked teams in 2008, BYU has beat four ranked teams in the last 22 seasons. Trying to show BYU 1984 schedule to be on par with Utah's 2008 schedule is just silly.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 12:05 a.m.

    Azute1

    Air Force wasn’t “ranked” in 1984, but the Falcons did finish higher in the Final AP poll, #24, than Utah’s 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25.

    Whit absolutely took a knee to protect a slim 6-point lead in 2017. He knew that he would have looked like a fool if the Utes had tried to score, but had instead given the ball back to BYU for a game winning touchdown.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:51 p.m.

    I love how a discussion on recruited players turns into "BYU didn't really win the NC ions 1984"

    It happened, you might want to just accept that it indeed happened - look it up and just accept reality.

    As for the incoming players, thrilled to have more OL guys coming in, I see a lot of DL also - win the games in the trenches and the rest comes a bit easier.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:44 p.m.

    “I love how none of you responded to my comment about all of you being obsessed with byu”

    UofU-SL:

    Ha! Your screen name is our response to the accusation of obsession.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:41 p.m.

    “Utah took a knee to guard against any possibility of BYU forcing a turnover.”

    Lol....Coach KW, in typical fashion, absolutely 100% called off the dogs & took a knee.

    7 straight & counting & 12/15.

    Who’s your Daddy?

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:35 p.m.

    “1984 BYU #82
    2004 Utah #70
    2008 Utah #80”

    Lol....Nice try....Try again.

    “BYU beat #24 Air Force(8-4) on the road”

    Lol....They only ranked 20 schools back then, therefore Af was Unranked....Nice try.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:20 p.m.

    “Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have produced some terrific seasons for Little Big Teams in the 21st century, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other Little Big Teams even got a legitimate shot at: they finished #1. Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called ‘national champion’ that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called ‘national champion’.

    How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games.

    The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.“

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:59 p.m.

    Navel vet

    Thanks for confirming that star ranking differentials are practically meaningless when teams meet head-to-head on the field.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:58 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 6:46 p.m.
    azute1

    Don’t kid yourself; Whittingham has never called off the dogs to be courteous, EVER!

    Utah took a knee to guard against any possibility of BYU forcing a turnover.

    A pick six or a blocked FG and return or a fumble scoop and return would have given BYU the win, and made Kyle look like an idiot for not taking a knee.

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    Utah took a knee for the same reason BYU fans were emptying the stadium, because the game was over.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:32 p.m.

    Azute1

    Point differential was meaningless in the BCS ranking system,

    and as far as SOS:

    1984 BYU #82
    2004 Utah #70
    2008 Utah #80

    source: sports-reference.com

    Utah 2004 only beat 3 regular season opponents that finished with winning records, all 7-5.

    BYU beat #24 Air Force(8-4) on the road.

    Air Force destroyed Va Tech in their bowl game.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 6:46 p.m.

    azute1

    Don’t kid yourself; Whittingham has never called off the dogs to be courteous, EVER!

    Utah took a knee to guard against any possibility of BYU forcing a turnover.

    A pick six or a blocked FG and return or a fumble scoop and return would have given BYU the win, and made Kyle look like an idiot for not taking a knee.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 5:04 p.m.

    “Where was your concern about SOS in 2004 when the Utes only beat THREE regular season opponents that finished with winning records to ‘bust the BCS’?”

    Unlike ‘84 byu & their 3rd weakest Sos in the nation & barely beating their opponents, our ‘04 team Utterly Destroyed our opponents....Annihilated them!

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 8, 2018 4:19 p.m.

    CougarTown:

    "Be honest.....Based on this latest recruiting class, which is more likely?.....a Utah win over USC.....or.....a BYU win over Utah"

    Well that one is really pretty obvious, as we've seen this phenomena played out plenty of times before. Every year since Utah joined the Pac-12, USC trounces Utah in the recruiting wars, and Utah tops our WACish and midmajory little brothers. And the results were...

    1. Utah went 2-5 (.286) vs. USC...

    ...and...

    2. Utah went 6-0 (1.000) vs. the indy-WACers.

    Ergo, the most likely scenario would be Utah beating USC.

    And that's stats.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 4:03 p.m.

    “The Utes were forced to take a knee to avoid giving up a turnover that could have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory for Utah.“

    Nope....We took a knee out of being classy, instead of running up the score.

    During our 7 game winning streak & counting, byu’s held the lead against us for merely 3+ min....Lol.

    Go Utes!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 8, 2018 4:03 p.m.

    azute1

    "Go ahead & compare our SOS against that of these schools/yr."

    It's laughable how obsessed Utah fans are with SOS when it fits their narrative.

    Where was your concern about SOS in 2004 when the Utes only beat THREE regular season opponents that finished with winning records to "bust the BCS"?

    Here's a clue.

    The UCF team that beat #7 Auburn 34-27 in the Peach Bowl, would have destroyed U.

    The Boise State team that beat #10 Arizona 38-30 in the Fiesta Bowl, would have destroyed the Utah team that Arizona beat 10-42.

    The Houston team that beat #9 Florida St 38-24 in the Peach Bowl, would have destroyed U.

    Even Western Michigan, which only lost to #8 Wisconsin 24-16 in the Cotton Bowl, would have destroyed the Utah team that barely beat Indiana in the Foster Farms Bowl.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 8, 2018 3:42 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    A little truth in advertising.

    Last year's game wasn't decided until Tanner Mangum's pass to Matt Bushman fell incomplete on 4th and 4 with 0:42 left.

    The Utes were forced to take a knee to avoid giving up a turnover that could have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory for Utah.

    It's never over until it's over.

    In 2006, BYU faced 4th and 18 at their own 12 yard line with 1:05 left and the game tied 10-10.

    27 seconds later, BYU scored the winning touchdown.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 3:34 p.m.

    “As far as CFP resumes go, your midpacmajory program is less relevant than UCF, Western Michigan, Houston, and Boise State.”

    Go ahead & compare our Sos against that of these schools/yr.

    Also, compare how many times we’ve been CFP Poll ranked against that of these schools since The CFP Poll’s inception.

    Now compare these schools against byu.

    Go Utes!

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 3:10 p.m.

    JohninSLC

    Point spreads and "star" rankings are only "relevant" to yoot fans when they make Utah-SLC look better.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 3:06 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "The guy who calls it a measly 6 point loss, yet failed to mention that Utah took knee at the BYU 15 with 42 seconds to go."

    You're conveniently ignoring the fact that BYU had possession of the ball with 1:29 left and only down 6 points.

    Need I remind U how many times BYU has beaten Utah in the final two minutes in similar situations.

    Utah was forced to take a knee with 42 seconds left to protect the ball and avoid a turnover.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:56 p.m.

    "That because Utah only lost by one point to USC on a failed 2-point conversion at the end of the game, that Utah is really at the same level as USC?"

    rivertoncoog:

    I love it! What goes around, comes around.

    That's a comparison coog fans should embrace--after all, we've heard us for months that since Utah only beat BYU-P by six points, the coogs are on the same level as the Utes.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:54 p.m.

    Uteology

    Let's take a closer look at your CFP resume:

    CFP championships - 0
    CFP bids - 0
    NY6 bowls - 0
    Conference championships - 0
    Conference championship games - 0
    Division championships - 0

    Best CFP era bowl win (attendance):
    #39 BYU - Las Vegas (42,213)
    #49 W Va - Heart of Dallas (20,507)
    #65 CSU - Las Vegas (33,067)
    #69 Indiana - Foster Farms (27,608)

    As far as CFP resumes go, your midpacmajory program is less relevant than UCF, Western Michigan, Houston, and Boise State.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:26 p.m.

    @Y's little brother: "BYU also had more 11+ Win, Top 15 finishes from 2006 to 2009, than the Utes have had in their entire history."

    @Uteology: "More victory laps for irrelevant accomplishments."

    It's hilarious that a fan of a program that only has TWO 11+ win seasons in its entire history,

    would claim that any 11+ win season is "irrelevant".

    14 win seasons
    BYU 1, Utah 0

    13+ win seasons
    BYU 2, Utah 1

    12+ win seasons
    BYU 4, Utah 2

    11+ win seasons
    BYU 11, Utah 2

    10+ win seasons
    BYU 16, Utah 7

    9+ win seasons
    BYU 24 of 93 (26%)
    Utah 12 of 124 (10%)

    It's understandable why Utah fans are so afraid of talking about their history prior to this century,

    since the Utes didn't have a single 10+ win season until 1994, and only had ONE 10+ win season in their first 109 seasons.

  • qball714 Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:26 p.m.

    Ute Fans: BYU fans focus on irrelevant stats like how close our games have been

    Also Ute Fans: We have more minutes leading the game

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:13 p.m.

    mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:42 p.m.
    Uteology

    Only "nationally irrelevant" according to BYU haters like you.

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    No, again according to "your" CFP resume.

    * 0 top 25

    * 0 CFP rankings

    * 0 wins over top 25

    * 14-20 vs P5 (41%)

    * 3rd in the state

    * Tanking class rankings

    * Can't develop NFL talent

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:03 p.m.

    Lester L. Wester

    No matter how desperately Utah fans try to spin it,

    winning 6 of the last 7 (86%) by a touchdown or less (an average of 4 points),

    proves that there's not much separation.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    Gandalph - Sandy, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:16 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Ummm you lost both games."

    Ummm, U barely beat the first 9-loss BYU team since 1955,

    by a measly 6 points.
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    my old friend Gandolph chimming in; Hey Buddy. The guy who calls it a measly 6 point loss, yet failed to mention that Utah took knee at the BYU 15 with 42 seconds to go. Ever notice how BYU fans never mention that? Now that's curious. It's too bad Utah didn't punch it in again, now instead of cheering about a 6 point loss, they could hate Utah for rubbing it in. Either way they turn a loss into a win; wow what the Cougs have been reduced too. Then again, when just got out recruited by North Texas and Georgia State; you better hang onto that 6 point loss. It was BYU's biggest accomplishment last year.

    Rise and Shout; or should I say be afraid, be very afraid. lol

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:42 p.m.

    Uteology

    Only "nationally irrelevant" according to BYU haters like you.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:41 p.m.

    RoadRunner: “Minutes leading is a completely meaningless stat.

    Alabama won the 2017 National Championship and didn't lead the championship game for a single second.”

    That was one game against an evenly matched opponent. A period of seven or more games, not so meaningless. But go ahead and keep pretending everything’s equal. You’ll have a chance to prove me wrong the end of this season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    @Y
    BYU also had more 11+ Win, Top 15 finishes from 2006 to 2009, than the Utes have had in their entire history.

    ----------------

    More victory laps for irrelevant accomplishments.

    BYU BCS: Quest t-shirts

    BYU CFP: 3rd in state

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "I know that you guys celebrate close loses[sic] though..."

    Ironic, coming from a member of the 2nd most rival-obsessed fan base in the country,

    that constantly celebrates finishing 2nd...

    2008 - throws a parade for finishing 2nd in one poll
    1998 - celebrates finishing 2nd in the Big Dance
    1944 - celebrates winning the 2nd rate tournament of the day

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:53 a.m.
    Uteology

    "Self anointed talent? Like the NFL drafts and class rankings?"

    If the only thing U aspire to is being a farm club for a few NFL prospects, you're doing ok.

    If you think that being a perennial middle of the PAC 12 South finisher makes U nationally relevant, you're sadly mistaken.

    Here's a comparison of BYU's true accomplishments versus Utah's faux accomplishments.

    National Championship: BYU (#1 AP, #1 Coaches)
    Failed BCS system Bowl Winner: Utah (#2 AP, #4 Coaches)

    ------------------

    And you think Edwards' accomplishments from the 80's makes you nationally relevant while finishing 5th in the state? SAD!!

    No, what makes you nationally irrelevant is your BCS and CFP resumes.

    BCS Resume:

    * Utah: 2 top 5, 4 top 25, 2 BCS wins, 4 MWC titles
    * BYU: 0 top 5, 4 top 25, Quest T-shirts, 4 MWC titles

    CFP Resume:
    * Utah: 3 top 25, 18 CFP rankings, PAC-12 South Co-Champion (7th in P12, 5th nationally)
    * BYU: 0 top 25, 0 CFP rankings, bottom feeder in the state

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:16 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Ummm you lost both games."

    Ummm, U barely beat the first 9-loss BYU team since 1955,

    by a measly 6 points.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 12:04 p.m.

    everything is awesome - Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:33 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "So, what are you saying? That stars and recruiting doesn't matter as much? That because [BYU] only lost by one point to [Utah] on a failed 2-point conversion at the end of the game, that [BYU] is really at the same level as [Utah]?"

    --------

    You tell me Mr. Helper

    2017
    Utah 19
    BYU 13

    2016
    Utah 20
    BYU 19
    -------
    Ummm you lost both games. I know that you guys celebrate close loses though; Congrats. I guess that's what happens when you have your worst season in 14 years, followed by your worst recruiting class. Get used to it.

  • GoRed Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:59 a.m.

    Snack PAC: "Ignore the trophy case."

    Spokane Ute "I can't see the trophies because of the cob webs."

    That is one of the best comebacks I have read in years. Very funny!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:46 a.m.

    Minnesota Ute

    247 Sports, which is much more accurate than Rivals,

    has BYU ranked #78 and Utah ranked #34

    The 247 Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    Lester L. Wester

    "You’d better check and see how many minutes [BYU] has led in the past seven or so games with [Utah-SLC]. "

    Minutes leading is a completely meaningless stat.

    Alabama won the 2017 National Championship and didn't lead the championship game for a single second.

    Final score is the only thing that matters, and in that case, Utah has only beaten BYU by more than a touchdown, ONCE, since 2008, and has only outscored BYU at RES by FIVE points total.

    Proof, that Utah has been better, but only slightly better.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:33 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "So, what are you saying? That stars and recruiting doesn't matter as much? That because [BYU] only lost by one point to [Utah] on a failed 2-point conversion at the end of the game, that [BYU] is really at the same level as [Utah]?"

    --------

    You tell me Mr. Helper

    2017
    Utah 19
    BYU 13

    2016
    Utah 20
    BYU 19

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    Rivals has the Utes recruiting class ranked #38 and they rank the Cougars recruiting class #93. Hmmmmm.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:27 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    "So, what are you saying? That stars and recruiting doesn't matter as much? That because Utah only lost by one point to USC on a failed 2-point conversion at the end of the game, that Utah is really at the same level as USC?"

    Exactly!

    As long as you're talking about Utah and USC.

    Change opponents and the narrative on the hill will change completely.

    Since BYU only lost by one point to Utah on a failed 2-point conversion at the end of the game, BYU is really at the same level as Utah, and stars and recruiting really don't matter as much as Utah fans claim.

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    Bluto: “And Ute fans, with all of your "Self Anointed Superior Talent", shouldn't your recent victories over your Big Brother (BYU), be determined...Before the last drive of the game ?”

    You’d better check and see how many minutes BYU-P has led in the past seven or so games with the Utes. Not sure it’s even in double figures. Games were never as close as the final scores. And don’t forget, this is your Super Bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    "Obviously USC does a horrible job developing players. All those 5 start recruits and you barely beat Utah, by 1 point, on a failed 2 point conversion at the end of the game."

    So, what are you saying? That stars and recruiting doesn't matter as much? That because Utah only lost by one point to USC on a failed 2-point conversion at the end of the game, that Utah is really at the same level as USC?
    --------
    You tell me Mr. Helper

    2017
    Utah 27
    USC 28

    2016
    Utah 31
    USC 27

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    Chili eater

    BYU loses at Utah by a single point.

    No big deal because Utah could have easily won by more if they had cared.

    ---------------------------

    The inconsistency of Utah fans is hilarious
    -----------
    Ummm, BYU lost by 6 at home. BYU fans making ups stats or playing the shell game is hilarious.

    --------
    Utah has TWO more 4* recruits than BYU.

    Hugh deal, because the Utes have been so successful at developing talent (pay no attention to Utah's revolving door at OC).
    ---------
    This coming from a fan of a team who just fired their OC? Good Grief Guy, you gotta do better than that. I'm sure you realize that recruiting is ranked by the WHOLE class, not just a few. Then again, from your post; this is probably news to you.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Ahhhh... my favorite part of the comments... when we go off topic and reminisce about things that used to be great back in the 80's."

    Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories...

    In addition to all of BYU's nationally significant accomplishments from 1977 to 2001,

    National Championship
    Heisman Trophy
    Nation's Best QB, Passer, RB, and Interior Lineman
    13 AP Top 25 Finishes
    6 National Hall of Fame Players

    BYU also had more 11+ Win, Top 15 finishes from 2006 to 2009, than the Utes have had in their entire history.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:51 a.m.

    chicagoborn navelvet

    "So the last time BYU finished ranked in the AP poll was in 2009? And the last time they finished in the Coaches Poll was in 2011? Yikes. No wonder their recruiting class is ranked in the 90s."

    BYU's recruiting class is ranked #78, with a completely new Offensive Coordinator and staff and a miserable 4-9 finish in 2017.

    Not great, but not nearly the disaster that some are trying to paint it, especially when you consider the transfers and returned missionaries BYU will have on their roster next fall.

    #34 Utah - 2-4*, 21-3*
    #78 BYU - 0-4*, 15-3*

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:40 a.m.

    ekute

    "I would ask...is guessing, spinning, cherry picking and half truths included in your curriculum?"

    All of the above, when it comes to Utah fans.

    If "stars" were really the end all, be all of college football success,

    Utah would NEVER beat USC again.

    2018:
    #4 USC - 5*(4), 4*(13), 3*(1)
    #34 Utah - 5*(0), 4*(2), 3*(21)

    2017:
    #4 USC - 5*(2), 4*(12), 3*(8)
    #33 Utah - 5*(0), 4*(3), 3*(20)

    2016:
    #10 USC - 5*(2), 4*(12), 3*(7)
    #37 Utah - 5*(0), 4*(3), 3*(23)

    2015:
    #2 USC - 5*(4), 4*(14), 3*(10)
    #34 Utah - 5*(0), 4*(2), 3*(21)

    2014:
    #10 USC - 5*(2), 4*(8), 3*(11)
    #66 Utah - 5*(0), 4*(1), 3*(14)

    Average rankings and totals for the last five recruiting classes
    #6 USC - 5*(14), 4*(59), 3*(36)
    #41 Utah - 5*(0), 4*(11), 3*(99)

    Average of last five recruiting classes
    #6 USC - 5*(3), 4*(12), 3*(7)
    #41 Utah - 5*(0), 4*(2), 3*(20)

    Let the guessing, spinning, cherry picking and half truths from the hill begin...

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    National Championship: BYU (#1 AP, #1 Coaches)
    Heisman Trophy Winner: BYU
    Nation's Best QB: BYU
    :
    :
    Ahhhh... my favorite part of the comments... when we go off topic and reminisce about things that used to be great back in the 80's.
    Pan Am airline
    Texaco gasoline
    Radio Shack electronics
    BYU football

    Good times. Good times.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    "Obviously USC does a horrible job developing players. All those 5 start recruits and you barely beat Utah, by 1 point, on a failed 2 point conversion at the end of the game."

    So, what are you saying? That stars and recruiting doesn't matter as much? That because Utah only lost by one point to USC on a failed 2-point conversion at the end of the game, that Utah is really at the same level as USC?

  • MBB Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:37 a.m.

    I love these comments! Reading some of these brings a smile to my face. I can see the rivalry is alive and well.

  • evansrichdm West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    2 things.

    1. Why does very comment section about BYU football tune into about UofU football? I would like to suggest to all BYU fans we stop commenting and reacting to UofU fans comments. It is a waste of our time. UofU has it own challenges in the PAC 12, leave them be. If they want to keep commenting let them, but lets stop pay attention to them. Last I will say on that. We should just comment on our own teams issue, which there more then a few.

    2. This is a weak class for BYU no way around it. BYU really put itself into a hole with a 4-9 record last year and it will take some great wins to get TV ratings and recruiting up. In order to do this the new Couches better step it up and really train, work and develop these players and lastly inspire them. There was no inspired spirit in last years team, or leadership other then Fred W. I am a season ticket holder and I am debating if I will renew, most likely I will just because I do enjoy being at the games with the other fans, be it cheering or last year crying over how bad BYU is.

  • chicagoborn Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    @Just the fax
    So the last time BYU finished ranked in the AP poll was in 2009? And the last time they finished in the Coaches Poll was in 2011? Yikes. No wonder their recruiting class is ranked in the 90s. You can bring up past accomplishments all you want but your recruiting class will still be considered below mediocre.

  • chili con carne Austin, TX
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    yawn...

    coulda, shoulda, woulda - bottom line is Utah has only outscored BYU at RES by FIVE points total in the last three games COMBINED.

    It's interesting how "STAR" ratings and point differentials only matter to Utah fans when they make U look better, otherwise, "STARS" and point differentials are absolutely meaningless to U.

    #4 USC - 5*(4), 4*(13), 3*(1)
    #34 Utah - 4*(2), 3*(21)
    #79 BYU - 4*(0), 3*(14)

    USC has FIFTEEN more 5* and 4* recruits than Utah.

    No big deal, because the Trojans have mediocre coaches who can't develop talent.

    ---------------------------

    Utah has TWO more 4* recruits than BYU.

    Hugh deal, because the Utes have been so successful at developing talent (pay no attention to Utah's revolving door at OC).

    ---------------------------

    Utah loses at USC by a single point.

    Hugh deal, showing that Utah is just as good as USC.

    ---------------------------

    BYU loses at Utah by a single point.

    No big deal because Utah could have easily won by more if they had cared.

    ---------------------------

    The inconsistency of Utah fans is hilarious.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    BlueHusky,
    The data is readily available. I would challenge you and your class to build such a model. I would think that the resources are also there and it wouldn't take more than 1 or 2 days...but first, I would ask...is guessing, spinning, cherry picking and half truths included in your curriculum?

  • jazzhater Humble, TX
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    Lone*Star

    That's one...

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    Francisco,
    I would also remind byu fan that several other schools have athletes out in the missionary field. Foremost being Utah.

  • Francisco Alpine, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    For those of you who say that BYU does not get to rate returned missionaries: Remember, they are rated when they commit before there missions. You can't rate them twice.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    TroyTown - Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    #4 USC - 5*(4), 4*(13), 3*(1)
    #34 Utah - 4*(2), 3*(21)
    #79 BYU - 4*(0), 3*(14)

    USC has FIFTEEN more 5* and 4* recruits than Utah.
    Utah has TWO more 4* recruits than BYU.

    Be honest.

    Based on this latest recruiting class, which is more likely?

    a Utah win over USC

    or

    a BYU win over Utah
    -------
    Obviously USC does a horrible job developing players. All those 5 start recruits and you barely beat Utah, by 1 point, on a failed 2 point conversion at the end of the game. Utah should have smashed BYU by 13 but they decided to take a knee at the end of the game.

    Considering last years results Utah has a great chance of beating USC in SLC this year. BYU has no chance. Watch and see. Oh, and thanks for embarrassing the conference in your bowl game. What an over hyped program. Flounder On!

    That top recruiting class and $1 will get you a Desseret News News Paper.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:14 a.m.

    Deseret News should report the star rating of the returned missionaries since they are like freshman new to the program .
    The proof will be on the field.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:13 a.m.

    jazzhater

    "I might have an unpopular opinion on this site, but a 4 star recruit from Utah is equal to a 2 star recruit in TX/Cal."

    Two words: Taysom Hill

    Oh wait, he was from Idaho.

    Carry on.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "I can't see the trophy's because of the cob webs. Oh wait, there's one with a leather helmet and a deflated football. Nice!"

    Instead of looking in Utah's trophy closet,

    you need to check out BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.

  • jazzhater Humble, TX
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:03 a.m.

    Hopefully the addition of Coach Steward to the staff will help BYU's recruiting in TX.

    Only 1 recruit from TX, 2 from CA. 11 from Utah. I might have an unpopular opinion on this site, but a 4 star recruit from Utah is equal to a 2 star recruit in TX/Cal.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:01 a.m.

    Hugo

    Remind us how many 11+ win, Top 15 seasons the Utes have had since 2004.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    #4 USC - 5*(4), 4*(13), 3*(1)
    #34 Utah - 4*(2), 3*(21)
    #79 BYU - 4*(0), 3*(14)

    USC has FIFTEEN more 5* and 4* recruits than Utah.
    Utah has TWO more 4* recruits than BYU.

    Be honest.

    Based on this latest recruiting class, which is more likely?

    a Utah win over USC

    or

    a BYU win over Utah

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:41 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    ignore the trophy case,
    -------
    I can't see the trophy's because of the cob webs. Oh wait, there's one with a leather helmet and a deflated football. Nice!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:47 a.m.

    chicagoborn

    "I didn't know multiple finishes in the top 25 was considered mediocrity."

    Yet Utah fans constantly ignore BYU's four straight Top 25 finishes,

    and three 11+ win, Top 15 finishes,

    from 2006 to 2009.

    BYU was also ranked #26 AP, #25 Coaches in 2011.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:41 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    ignore the trophy case,

    bereft of any significant national awards,

    behind the curtain,

    and keep repeating...

    BCS, P5, BCS, P5

  • Hugo West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:35 a.m.

    "Remember Utah's sudden spring to dominance as the team up north. Well, that ended as soon as that coach left. Mediocrity ever since."

    Wow! If we've been only been mediocre since 2004 what does that make BYU? Terrible? FCS-level bad? One of the worst programs in the FBS? Somebody help me out here. I'm just not as adept at others at understanding BYU-fan logic.

    It never ceases to amaze me how the irony is completely lost on BYU fans that in trashing the team that has beaten the Cougars 7 times in a row is really just making it crystal clear how truly bad their team really is.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:32 a.m.

    Instead of being so obsessed with BYU, shouldn't the commuter school fans be more concerned with these recruiting rankings?

    #4 USC - 5*(4), 4*(13), 3*(1)
    #13 Wash - 4*(11), 3*(10)
    #16 Ore - 4*(11), 3*(12)
    #18 UCLA - 4*(10), 3*(18)

    #34 Utah - 4*(2), 3*(21)
    #37 ASU - 4*(2), 3*(19)
    #39 Stan - 4*(5), 3*(10)
    #43 Cal - 4*(2), 3*(19)
    #45 WSU - 4*(2), 3*(24)
    #52 Colo - 4*(1), 3*(19)
    #58 Ariz - 4*(0), 3*(21)
    #69 OSU - 4*(0), 3*(20)

    It's quite obvious that there's a huge gap in talent between the top four teams in the PAC 12, and the rest of the conference.

    Yet, our little brothers are obsessed with Utah having a slightly better recruiting class (two more 4* and seven more 3* recruits) than BYU.

    #79 BYU - 4*(0), 3*(14)

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    Common sense conservative - Herriman, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:55 a.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:53 a.m.

    Uteology

    Here's a comparison of BYU's true accomplishments versus Utah's faux accomplishments.

    National Championship: BYU (#1 AP, #1 Coaches)
    Failed BCS system Bowl Winner: Utah (#2 AP, #4 Coaches)

    Heisman Trophy Winner: BYU
    Nation's Best QB: BYU
    Nation's Best Passer: BYU
    Nation's Best RB: BYU
    Nation's Best Interior Lineman: BYU
    National College Football Hall of Fame: BYU

    Nation's Best Kicker: Utah

    11+ Win Seasons: BYU 11, Utah 2

    AP Top 25 Finishes: BYU 17, Utah 8

    All-time AP Top 100: #34 BYU, #63 Utah

    WAC/MWC Conference Championships: BYU 23, Utah 6

    Average Finish in the PAC 12: Utah 4-5
    ------------
    This is a recording . . .

  • chicagoborn Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:21 a.m.

    @BlueHusky
    I didn't know multiple finishes in the top 25 was considered mediocrity.
    "BYU is watched nationally. Fact." This "fact" has helped out so much in the recruiting battle. BYU's class is in the same group as football powerhouses Army and Louisiana Tech. Anyway, it's hard to argue with the Washington fan in you. You have had our number the past couple of seasons. Although you barely beat in Seattle last year by 3. If I have learned anything reading these boards it's that almost beating someone is the same as winning. So, technically Utah won. Better luck next year. That's BYU fan logic for you.

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:55 a.m.

    Ute fans-you don't care about the rivalry anymore? Is that why every story about BYU is flooded with comments from U fans?

    You are in the PAC-12? Wow. Who knew? You guys should really try to brag about that more.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:53 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Self anointed talent? Like the NFL drafts and class rankings?"

    If the only thing U aspire to is being a farm club for a few NFL prospects, you're doing ok.

    If you think that being a perennial middle of the PAC 12 South finisher makes U nationally relevant, you're sadly mistaken.

    Here's a comparison of BYU's true accomplishments versus Utah's faux accomplishments.

    National Championship: BYU (#1 AP, #1 Coaches)
    Failed BCS system Bowl Winner: Utah (#2 AP, #4 Coaches)

    Heisman Trophy Winner: BYU
    Nation's Best QB: BYU
    Nation's Best Passer: BYU
    Nation's Best RB: BYU
    Nation's Best Interior Lineman: BYU
    National College Football Hall of Fame: BYU

    Nation's Best Kicker: Utah

    11+ Win Seasons: BYU 11, Utah 2

    AP Top 25 Finishes: BYU 17, Utah 8

    All-time AP Top 100: #34 BYU, #63 Utah

    WAC/MWC Conference Championships: BYU 23, Utah 6

    Average Finish in the PAC 12: Utah 4-5

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 7:38 a.m.

    If Ute fans hate Max Hall and his post-2009 game comments so much, why do they try so hard to prove him right?

    Just wondering.

    The Ute fans I know are not like this. However, from looking online you can see why Ute fans have the reputation that they have.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 6:32 a.m.

    I teach Big Data Analytics at UC Irvine. I'd love to get a dataset on Star ranking factors and build a model predicting their actual success.

    My guess is that error on success prediction from star rating is high. I've been watching college football for more than 50 years. I've seen BYU have great success over those 50 years. As for USC, they've been a dominant player in the PAC12 footprint for as long as I can remember, but only when they have a great coach. Ditto for Washington, Oregon, UCLA ...

    Coaches are the difference makers. Don't believe me? Look at Boise with Chris Peterson. Now look at Washington with Chris Peterson. Two years from obscurity to the National Championship game. Coaching is the key factor, not star rating. Look at BYU since LaVell retired. Remember Utah's sudden spring to dominance as the team up north. Well, that ended as soon as that coach left. Mediocrity ever since.

    Yeah sure, you'd rather be mediocre in a P5 conference, but the fact is, nobody watches Utah outside of Salt Lake City. Sorry guys, just the facts. BYU is watched nationally. Fact.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2018 10:50 p.m.

    @Bluto

    And Ute fans, with all of your "Self Anointed Superior Talent", shouldn't your recent victories over your Big Brother (BYU), be determined...Before the last drive of the game ?

    ------

    Self anointed talent? Like the NFL drafts and class rankings?

    Self anointed "big bother" why do you keep doing victory laps for margin of defeats?

  • mncougar Stillwater, MN
    Feb. 7, 2018 10:20 p.m.

    Very disappointing results from a HC who was touted as being a great recruiter. If you are delusional enough to think that on-field success bears no relation to the strength of a team's recruiting class, then you must be convinced that Alabama's great success has nothing to do with the superior athletes they recruit.

  • golfwt Boise, ID
    Feb. 7, 2018 9:20 p.m.

    Not sure what it means, a good number of the current recruits will leave on a mission and we won't see them for 2 years. Loss of Detmer will and has hurt recruiting. Independence thanks to the arrogance of the athletic director will result in BYU remaining a non-entity in the football world. Can't see much of a future unless they crawl back into the conference they left and that does not seen too likely. Sitaki and crew did a very poor job recruiting.

  • Samuel Troutman Fort Bragg, NC
    Feb. 7, 2018 9:04 p.m.

    Yo Bobby: Rule 7- Don't diss Webber State's ... 'cause I was a Five State recruit an got drafted by the Innianapolis Coltz!

  • Lloyd J. Braun New York, NY
    Feb. 7, 2018 8:43 p.m.

    Recruiting ..... Can't we all just get along? :)

    Serenity now!

  • Moldy2123 Payson, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 8:03 p.m.

    Coach is saying be patient, then why did he let Detmer go? They had good recruits coming in with him, they drop him then lose recruits. You have got to let coaches have 3 to 4 years in to get their class of recruits to work their system. You keep dropping coaches, plan on 1 star recruits. BYU fans have no clue or patience when it comes to this. They will have another poor year and coaches will get dropped some more. Unless BYU figures this out, in which I don't see happening, and as long as they stay independent. BYU will remain awful for many years to come.

  • BobbyPaluga Austin, TX
    Feb. 7, 2018 7:04 p.m.

    Rule 1- People who diss ratings are fans of schools where the most talented kids and the best athletes don't wish to sign with
    Rule 2- The Minute number of exceptions prove the rating system's accuracy
    Rule 3- Five state recruits are better athletes than four star recruits
    Rule 4- Four state recruits are better athletes than three star athletes
    Rule 5- In general schools wishing to work their way into the Top 25, don't waste time recruiting non-rated or two star recruits
    Rule 6- There is no victory in beating out the Webber State's or Northern Arizona's for a recruit. It's a loss, with an admission that you were unable to attract the 250-500 better player at a position.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 7, 2018 6:55 p.m.

    University of Utah-Salt Lake:

    "Ute fans: 'I don't care about the rivalry anymore. We've moved on. The game doesn't even interest me.'.....And then RES sells out for the BYU game the moment tickets go on sale."

    So? RES sells out regardless WHO comes to town. We're on a 51 consecutive sell-out streak up there in SLC. We even sold out our games vs. Mont St, No Colo, Web St, Ida St, So Utah, and No Dak.

    What? You thought that "sell out" was because of YOU???

    Haha! Silly fact-free indy-WACer. Utah sells out our games because the fans want to watch UTAH play. It's the indy-WACers who can't sell out their stadium unless WE come to town. How embarrassing for you.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 6:51 p.m.

    SCgrad?

    When your team is awful, and you haven't beaten your rival in 2,992 days, and back in December you were bragging about how much "higher" byu's recruiting class was, all the while ignoring the fact that Utah hadn't even filled half of their slots, resulting in a NOW horrible class ranking...you masquerade to be a "fan" of another school, that in of itself has horribly under-performed considering how many "top recruits" they get each year. Time to change that moniker once again.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2018 5:56 p.m.

    @SCgrad

    Utes finish 4th in PAC-12 south recruiting. Considering their 5th place finish in the South last year they may move up a place. Yes we finished first again. I agree with CB will win the Utah state championship again in 2018. I also agree stars matter, which is why Utah will never be relevant in the PAC with this type of recruiting. Let me know when you will actually compete in our league. 6 years is a long time to transition, but not nearly as long as the AZ schools have taken.

    ----

    Maybe we can be like U$C, and pay players?

    Without cheating, U$C has done nothing despite having top 25 class rankings.

    Utah is 7th in PAC-12 play, and 5th nationally.

    Without paying players, we have finished #2 and #4 over last 18 seasons, U$C can't say the same.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Feb. 7, 2018 5:55 p.m.

    The 1-2 star bonanza on the loose!!

    Time will tell what Sitake can do, but last year was a dismal showing.

  • spokaloo White Salmon, WA
    Feb. 7, 2018 5:37 p.m.

    Sitake's strength (recruiting) was supposed to be what made up for his lack of head coaching experience. Things look bleak...

  • SCgrad Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 7, 2018 5:21 p.m.

    Utes finish 4th in PAC-12 south recruiting. Considering their 5th place finish in the South last year they may move up a place. Yes we finished first again. I agree with CB will win the Utah state championship again in 2018. I also agree stars matter, which is why Utah will never be relevant in the PAC with this type of recruiting. Let me know when you will actually compete in our league. 6 years is a long time to transition, but not nearly as long as the AZ schools have taken.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Feb. 7, 2018 5:08 p.m.

    Great signing day Cougs!

    #83 is good but when you compare your results to your peers it is sensational:

    Aggie’s. 143
    So Utah. 155
    Weber. 157

    You’ll own these guys...can’t wait.

    I’ll be duck hunting until spring football starts...go Cougs

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Feb. 7, 2018 4:58 p.m.

    Let's hope that there are some guys who can make big plays in this group and in the RM group.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 4:58 p.m.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: This is what independence gets you.

    BYU can't boast anything substantive that an above-average G5 team doesn't already offer. On the flip side, any above-average G5 team is usually going to be in the mix for divisional and conference championships, has secure regional rivalries, and on any given year might have a pretty good shot at an NY6 bowl, even with a loss or two. Why would a recruit considering options like that choose to go to Provo? All that ESPN money doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference to a recruit.

    Sitake may or may not be a good coach and/or a great recruiter, but it's pretty hard to tell when he's got his shoelaces tied together by an athletic department that can't pull its head out of the sand long enough to figure out that independence is the highway to irrelevance. And if the whole point of even having a football team in the first place is to increase the exposure of the church you represent, irrelevance is a very bad thing.

  • 76Cougar Raleigh, NC
    Feb. 7, 2018 4:38 p.m.

    Chris B, your comparison will mean something when u can beat USC, Alabama and OSU at least half the time. What hasn’t sunk in for you is that u will never be an elite program as long as the only thing you can brag about is beating “mid-major BYU” seven, maybe eight, times in a row.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 4:13 p.m.

    To all Utah and BYU fans, let's all pump the brakes on recruiting results. Certainly BYU's class ranking doesn't look good right now, but until these kids acclimate themselves to school, go through spring and/or fall camp and actually get on the field, its so hard to predict how well they'll perform. I'm not saying the star system is meaningless, but there are countless examples of 4 and 5 star kids who didn't pan out at the college level. There are lots of examples of 2 star high school kids that excelled in college and then in the NFL.

    Can't wait for football season. Good luck to these kids; stay healthy, have fun and above all GRADUATE.

    Go Utes!!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 7, 2018 4:01 p.m.

    GordonBleu - Park City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    "Utah Football has nothing left to prove vs BYU."

    The Utes haven't proven that they can beat BYU in the 2018 game
    -------------
    They will, and we both know it. But hey, maybe you can get a close loss to brag about. With all of those top recruits coming in; who know's maybe you can even bet U Mass this year.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 4:02 p.m.

    @University of Utah-Salt Lake - Modesto, CA

    ". . . . . . Ute fans: "I don't care about the rivalry anymore. We've moved on. The game doesn't even interest me."
    -And then RES sells out for the BYU game the moment tickets go on sale."
    - - - - -
    RES sells for every game regardless if a team is ranked #1 or #125 (looking at you down south).

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 4:00 p.m.

    This is a sad sad day to be a BYU fan. Holmoe has succeeded in taking BYU football to the same place that he took Cal football.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    "Utah Football has nothing left to prove vs BYU."

    The Utes haven't proven that they can beat BYU in the 2018 game that Utah fans already have circled on their calendars.

  • bluesmule Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 3:35 p.m.

    Quite disappointed with the recruiting class. Not so much the players that are coming in, rather how many players flipped after committing. I don't blame them, though, BYU gave them nothing to have hope in. Congrats to Utah on a great recruiting class, they've worked hard for it and players are taking note.
    Let's just all remember that recruiting class doesn't always determine your season. In 2010, BYU's recruiting class was 33rd, that's higher than Utah's best recruiting class ever, and what did BYU do with that talent? I trust that Kalani will turn things around and utilize some of the lower rated players that they have. I think changing the offensive staff was the right first step. Detmer shouldn't have been let go because he never should have been hired, but I'm glad that BYU is being proactive instead of letting it fester like they did with Crowton.
    And finally, here's to all the young men who get to play college ball while earning a free education, I don't care where you go, that's awesome!

  • TruCoug Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 7, 2018 3:35 p.m.

    All things considered BYU should be recruiting in the 35-55 rank. 90 is a fail along the lines of worst season in the last 60 years. I like Sitake and really really hope he figures this stuff out. But if he can't coach over .500 and can't recruit better than 90, then I'm afraid the Cougar faithful will be singing "God be with you..." for him at seasons end.

    I agree with the posters pointing out that average stars for the Superbowl teams were 2.8 or something. But lets be realistic you don't see college teams ranked in the top 30 with 90
    recruiting rank. Somebody pull recruiting rank on the season ending top 25 teams... I would expect to to generally see a reasonable correlation.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 7, 2018 3:24 p.m.

    ekute - Layton, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:08 p.m.

    Spokane Ute,
    Don't worry about it. Utah Football has nothing left to prove vs byu.
    -------
    Amen Bro!

    Peace!

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Feb. 7, 2018 3:20 p.m.

    Chrispy

    "Utah's average star class is closer to Alabama, Ohio State, and USC than BYU's is to Utah."

    Yet, Utah has only outscored BYU on Utah's home turf,

    by FIVE points,

    TOTAL,

    since 2010.

    Let that sink in star-struck Utah fans.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:59 p.m.

    Utah's average star class is closer to Alabama, Ohio State, and USC than byu's is to Utah.

    Let that sink in byu fans

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:30 p.m.

    It's quite obvious that the metric for Utah's success for our BYU-obsessed little brothers...

    will always be

    BYU!

    The usual suspects couldn't care less how Utah's recruiting compares to other PAC 12 teams.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:24 p.m.

    This is the "Kalani effect"??? A class ranked in the 90s??? How midmajory!

    Haha!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:12 p.m.

    @ eecky and spookie

    Confidence is silent...
    Insecurity is loud....

    "U" guys are the loudest.

    So worried about Brigham.....be U?

    Specificity and Google can enlighten U.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:08 p.m.

    Spokane Ute,
    Don't worry about it. Utah Football has nothing left to prove vs byu.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:04 p.m.

    Bluto said:

    And Ute fans, with all of your "Self Anointed Superior Talent", shouldn't your recent victories over your Big Brother (BYU), be determined...Before the last drive of the game ?
    ---------
    You should get your facts straight. Utah had the ball to end the game. They took a knee at the BYU 17 instead of running up the score. BYU fans sweep that right under the rug. Everyone says that Utah was only 6 points better. It makes me wish they would have scored again and ran it right down BYU's throat. I hope in the future Utah runs the score up on the Cougs; that will take away the only positive spin Coug fans have; margin of defeat.

    As for the article that's a really poor class. Hopefully return missionaries can help, but it doesn't look good from a recruiting standpoint. Recruiting isn't the end all be all, but it's a pretty dang good barameter. I'd rather have a class in the top 40 then one in the top 90; no doubt about it.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:01 p.m.

    Their recruiting ranking is right in there with the polls of last season. Keep spinning bluto.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:00 p.m.

    I am afraid that BYU fans might have to get used to this. Dont say that recruiting is your strength and then end up doing worse than the coach before you.

    This is a very bad trend.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 7, 2018 2:00 p.m.

    90th?!!! Most fans couldn't name 90 football programs in this entire country if you gave them half an hour.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 1:55 p.m.

    Bluto - Sandy, UT "Swing and a miss again, Gurney. Gunner Romney has been upgraded to a 4-Star. Don't let facts get in your way, though."
    As of this afternoon, Romney is listed on 247 and Rivals as 3 star. It would be appear that Gurney checked his facts.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 1:49 p.m.

    Never put any stock is this Star rating system like a lot of ute fans insist that they do .... If star ratings are accurate then the utes are in for quite a season this fall as 6 pac12 schools that they play finished in front of them in the rankings .... 6 losses in the pac12 this fall already and the season hasn't even started ! Whoa Nellie !!

  • bhansen DeRidder, LA
    Feb. 7, 2018 1:38 p.m.

    Apparently, Sitake is at a minimum over rated as a recruiter or at worst can't recruit. As he has said there is no excuse. I say let's say good bye to him, and say hello to Jim Schwartz as the new HC.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    @ Howard and Water Rocket
    and
    False Bravado Utes i.e., Timid Sparrow...

    4 and 5 star QB's are not always all that.
    See Mangum and Heapes...

    As for 2 Star athletes, see Steve Young, Dennis Pitta, Eric Weddle and Alex Smith.

    Of the Patriots 22 starters in the Super Bowl just played, 4 players had 4 stars and one had a 5 star rating entering college. The rest had either 2, 3, or 0 stars.

    Tom Brady himself had no stars. (The silly subjective star system did not even exist)

    Average Stars for the Patriot starters in this years Super Bowl....2.8 Stars !
    AGAIN: "2.8 Stars !

    Nick Foles---Super Bowl MVP---was a 3 star QB out of High School.

    Don't put so much faith in guys in their basements awarding subjective stars to players they have never seen play.

    Keep the Faith Brothers.

    And Ute fans, with all of your "Self Anointed Superior Talent", shouldn't your recent victories over your Big Brother (BYU), be determined...Before the last drive of the game ?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 7, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    This is what happens when you hire a legacy name instead of a good offensive coordinator. Your offense is ranked #118 out of 125 - you don't cross the 50 yard line against a good team - your compile a dreadful record - recruits shy away.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    I don't get excited about BYU's recruiting anymore because so many of them are mission-first kids so we won't even get to see them play until 3 years from now, and some of the ones with 4 or 5 stars just haven't panned out. And then others with only 2 or 3 stars or sometimes even a walk-on ends up playing like a 5 star recruit and gets to play in the NFL. Now when we get a valued recruit I just say "That's nice" and then I wait to see what actually happens on the field.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 1:23 p.m.

    To Howard and Water Rocket...
    The sky is not falling.

    Remember, to truly measure B.Y.U.'s recruiting classes, you need to factor in the RM's which have recently returned with these new recruits, those who will actually be on the roster this year.
    Those going straight out on their missions are not a factor.

    It's a unique situation with B.Y.U., and aside from the fact that these ratings are totally subjective, B.Y.U.'s situation regarding players is unlike any other school.

    B.Y.U.'s "Corral" of players is larger than most schools, as they not only have those in the program right now, but also have a stable of other players waiting in the wings, i.e. missionaries.

    As for those players who gave up on B.Y.U., because of a particular Coach?
    They were never all-in anyway.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    Recruit rankings are not always accurate:

    * Many schools recruit high starred players, yet struggle with winning games.
    * Utah is one point better than BYU. Inefficient use of star players.

    How did BYU beat Oklahoma, and Texas two games in a row?

  • Facts are friendly Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:56 p.m.

    A miserable season will kill recruiting. Can't spin that one way or the other. Fact

  • Lester L. Wester Henderson, NV
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:56 p.m.

    The new sheriff was going to make all of us quiver with his recruiting prowess. Instead, hasn’t even been a ripple. Romney though, had better start asking who is going to throw him the ball.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:48 p.m.

    Whoa...90th? I was going to come over here and throw a little shade at you guys, but that doesn't even sound fun right now.

  • slcman SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    Recruiting is hard for BYU and the landscape has changed a lot since the 1980s. With the recruiting obstacles the Cougars face, I feel like they might want to consider the Mountain West Conference if that's an option. That or FCS status in the Big Sky.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:35 p.m.

    Recruiting was supposed to be Sitaki's strength, but when BYU fired Detmer, right there went several top recruits who de-committed and went elsewhere. Maybe Holmoe needs to "recruit" a better head coach?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:22 p.m.

    Swing and a miss again, Gurney.
    Gunner Romney has been upgraded to a 4-Star.
    Don't let facts get in your way, though.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    This is not just a low rated BYU signing class. Last year's class ranked in the 60s was a low rated class. In the 90s this is a catastrophically low signing class. It will take a program years to recover from a class ranked in the 90s.