BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe addresses Ty Detmer's status, state of football program

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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 6, 2018 12:49 p.m.

    jello:

    "What's funny is that every time you respond to me on this article you prove my point."

    No, what's funny is that every time YOU respond to ME on this article, with all your "counts" of my posts, you prove MY point -- that you're obsessed with me!

    And you prove that you're a hypocrite! How embarrassing for you!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 29, 2018 3:52 p.m.

    @Navy Bean

    78&79! You just can’t help yourself.

    “ Yes honey, I know I have only called you 3 times and that other girl 79 times. But I promise I like you more, i’m Just obsessed with telling her how much I don’t like her.”

    Frantic and emotional. What’s funny is that every time you respond to me on this article you prove my point. I am an unabashed BYU fan and’ although you claim to have left us all behind, you just can’t help yourself. Predictable.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 29, 2018 1:50 p.m.

    Jello:

    The problem with your desperate analogy is that the vast majority of my comments are "in response to" another indy-WACey poster who'd addressed me proper.

    Now YOU on the other hand, consistently address me unsolicited, and your comments have nothing to do with the article itself. It's about (1) counting comments, and (2) me! The day Jeff Call writes an article about you counting my comments, THEN will your comments have even a modicum of merit. But until then, all your "comment counting" posts do, is prove how obsessed you are with me.

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 29, 2018 1:49 p.m.

    jello:

    Interesting that you still seem to think that my comments = "most obsessed fanbase"…

    …but you responding to me does NOT = "most obsessed fanbase".

    Know what "most obsessed fanbase" looks like?

    Answer: The fanbase that actually combs through all public media articles and physically COUNTS the number of another posters comments! Typical hypocritical coug!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 28, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    @Navy

    77 obsessed comments justifying how much you rally care about your favorite team, BYU.

    Compare that to 3 comments on Utah articles who you claim is your favorite.

    Imagine that you are dating two girls and you text one 3 times and the other 77 times. Now try and convince the girl with just three texts that she is really your favorite. Haha.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 11:54 p.m.

    University of Utah-Salt Lake:

    "No one is combing through articles except you...."

    Not so little bro! jello is! He actually cares (obsesses) enough to actually keep a running tally. THAT is what an "obsession" looks like.

    And FWIW, I couldn't help but notice that we're so in your head 24-7, 365 days a year that you've named YOURSELF after us. Seems to me that you're developing quite the obsession as well.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 11:53 p.m.

    not-so-Y's little brother:

    Um…I just TOLD you that in the VERY comment you're responding. Not smart.

    "Ga Tech (and WVU for that matter) are 'P5' opponents. You guys are a midmajor."

    See?

    It would have be ONE thing had the indy-WACers finished ranked in the final poll, but you not only did you NOT, you didn't even go INTO that game ranked! What's the point of playing an "unranked" midmajor. If we're going to play a postseason game, Utah fans want to see either (1) a "ranked" opponent, (2) a P5 team, or (3) a conference champion. Otherwise, it's a great big "meh"!

    So like I'd said, Utah's best bowl opponent since leaving the MWC was indeed Ga Tech…

    …followed by WVU, Ind, and Colo St.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 11:52 p.m.

    BlueCoug:

    "Since you weren’t there, you couldn’t possibly know what the atmosphere inside the stadium was really like."

    Since it was on TV, I got a pretty good look into what it was really like!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 7:35 p.m.

    BlueCoug:

    "The ONLY thing you’ve 'proven' is that a non P5 team hasn’t gotten into the CFP,...YET!"

    AND "why" they hadn't. And that's all the proof that was needed. I even provided 3 other posts to further prove my point that for some reason, the moderators keep censoring. But no matter. The proof that I'd provided was proof enough.

    And for what it's worth, I couldn't help but notice that my "proof" was so irrefutable, none of you little brothers have even TRIED to refute it. Well, none other than the "nuh-uh" crowd, but that's not a very well supported argument. It's a fail.

    "Then again, Utah has NEVER won a division title."

    Then again, this discussion is about whether or not the indy-WACers have any avenues to the CFP/NY6. Which as we've established, had already been proven to be a great big fat "NO"! So whether or not Utah had ever won a division title (which for the record, we HAD) is completely immaterial, and thus, nothing more than a red herring to distract folks from discussion your 0% chance at a CFP/NY6 bowl. And THAT's a fail too! How miserable for you!

    Wrecked indy-WACer.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 7:28 p.m.

    Just the FAX:

    "It's hilarious how Utah fans desperately limit their timeline to BSC/CFP era, and then completely ignore the official BCS final poll, in favor of the AP poll, which has absolutely no connection to the BCS."

    No! What's "hilarious" is, your inability to grasp simple concepts. If we're talking about "getting in" to a BCS/CFP/NY6 bowl, the only games/ranking that matter are the "regular season" games! And that IS what we're talking about in this discussion! The ranking in the Final AP poll is immaterial as it relates to "getting in" a BCS/CFP/NY6 bowl, as the season would have already concluded, and all bowl games have already been played.

    The Final AP poll IS material when reviewing the season as a whole (i.e. the regular season AND the postseason).

    Pffft. I bet you STILL don't get it!

    And for what it's worth, it's already been PROVEN that the Y will never have the SOS to finish in the Top-4, nor never have the "weight" to get into a NY6 bowl ahead of a P5 team. How miserable for you.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 27, 2018 7:14 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    Since you weren’t there, you couldn’t possibly know what the atmosphere inside the stadium was really like.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 6:53 p.m.

    BlueCoug:

    Your story sounded made up. That's not what I saw on television! If there WAS a huge relief in that game late in the 4th Qtr, it would have been the indy-WACers -- relieved that Utah was opting to run out the clock rather than push into scoring range -- as we were merely one 1st-down away from FG range, and it's harder for you all to stake a moral victory with a 2-digit deficit than a 1-TD deficit!

    Have fun with your so-midmajory "moral victory" parade!

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 27, 2018 6:18 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    The ONLY thing you’ve “proven” is that a non P5 team hasn’t gotten into the CFP,

    YET!

    Then again, Utah has NEVER won a division title.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 27, 2018 4:25 p.m.

    Uteology

    I was at the game and the angst and uncertainty amongst the Utes as Utah’s lead shrank smaller and smaller...

    was palpable.

    That was clearly evidenced by the HUGE cheer that Utah fans let out when Utah picked up their final first down to seal the win.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2018 3:36 p.m.

    What proof do you have that Utah, with an undefeated season, would be a shoo in for a CFP berth?

    If Ohio St, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida St and Utah all finished with undefeated, P5 conference championship seasons, what proof do you have that Utah would be chosen over any of those elite programs?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 3:24 p.m.

    skywalker:

    "LOL at another one of your made up 'facts', based on nothing but your own BYU hatred."

    What "made up 'facts'"??? I'd PROVED that an undefeated midmajor team will NOT get into the CFP. And I'd PROVED that a midmajor team who didn't win its conference championship will not get a NY6 bowl. You wanna see a "made up 'fact'"??? Check out "EightOhOne's" Jan. 25, 2018 12:18 p.m. comment where he'd averred, "...if byu went undefeated this year,...they'd [sic] at very minimum would be in a new years 6 bowl game guaranteed." Now THAT's a "made up 'fact'". It's backed up by no evidence whatsoever, and throughout the remainder of this thread, no ONE of you indy-irrelevant, WAC-wannabe fans could defend it! So LOL at "EightOhOne", LOL at "deductive reasoning", and LOL at YOU!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 3:22 p.m.

    Gandalph:

    "You haven't PROVEN anything."

    Yes I did. We don't need to wait for the indy-WACers to complete an improbable undefeated season to find out what will happen, because we've already SEEN what will happen. Ever since college football sought to pit the top teams together in a National Championship game - via the BCS (1998-2013) and the CFP (2014-present) - there have been 13 "midmajor" teams to have completed their regular season undefeated…

    …and not ONE of them were ever invited - nor even CONSIDERED - for a shot at the title: Tulane (1998), Marshall (1999), Utah (2004, 2008), Boise St (2004, 2006, 2008, 2009), Hawai'i (2007), TCU (2009, 2010), Western Michigan (2016), and Central Florida (2017)!

    So if none of THOSE teams were given a shot, what makes you think YOU will be?

    Answer: You WON'T be! And FWIW, there are no provisions for a "midmajor" who DIDN'T win their conference to play in a NY6 bowl either!

    THERE's your proof! Again! And no, your "nuh-uh" defense doesn't hold water.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    Just the FAX:

    "What proof (empiracle, indisputable evidence) do you have that BYU wouldn’t receive an at-large berth in the CFP or an NY6 with an undefeated season?"

    I've already showed it to you. Just scroll down to the following posts, and read them again:

    Jan. 25, 2018 11:03 p.m.
    Jan. 26, 2018 11:04 p.m.
    Jan. 27, 2018 1:00 p.m.
    Jan. 27, 2018 2:41 p.m.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2018 2:57 p.m.

    navel

    What proof (empiracle, indisputable evidence) do you have that BYU wouldn’t receive an at-large berth in the CFP or an NY6 with an undefeated season?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 2:56 p.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    The TRUTH is, Ute fans were NOT sweating bullets in that game. Yours is just some self-aggrandizing myth you indy-WACers tell yourselves in order to assuage the pain of being utterly destroyed in that game only 2/3rds of the way thru the 1st Qtr. Watch that game again, and you'll see Utah's players texting on their phones on the sidelines in the 2nd-Qtr, as they'd already lost interest in a game they didn't even want to be in in the first place! Plus, with a huge lead going into the 4th-Qtr, Utah was just playing "clock control". Who was down 2 TDs with only 4-min remaining in the game?

    Not us!

    Who was going for it on 4th-&-long in a desperate attempt to stay in the game?

    Not us!

    Who had such a comfortable lead in the game, that they opted to sit on the ball for 10 of the 15 min (including the final 3 1/2 minutes) of the 4th-Qtr.

    Not you!

    Just face it! You guys got OWNED in that game! It's your cultural cougie-cognative dissonance that keeps you clinging to your annual "moral victories".

    Well...that and your annual ineptitudes on the field that is.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 2:41 p.m.

    ND95CA:

    "As long as there’s a provision in the CFP and NY6 rules allowing for at-large selections, EVERY CFB team has the potential of being invited...Therefore, your claim that BYU’s potential is 0%...is 100% false."

    WRONG! It's 100% "realistic"! There are only 5 at-large bids available for a NY6 bowl, and one of those is guaranteed to go to the highest ranked G5 conference champion. What makes you think you're a shoo-in for the other 4? Note...

    (1) There are only 12 teams who'll play in a NY6/CFP bowl -- half of which are already slotted to the conference champions of the P5 leagues, and highest-ranked G5 team.

    (2) Undefeated UCF only rose as high as #12 in the final CFP poll.

    So if at best, the highest ranked midmajor would climb to #12 by going undefeated vs. a SOS equivalent to what YOU guy annually put together, that'll be your cap too! Because remember, you're NOT special. But #12 doesn't get you into the CFP. Only #1-4 does that. Your SOS will NEVER put you up there. Never. Not even once!

    #12 doesn't guarantee a NY6 bowl either. At #16, Okla St. passed over five P5 teams to get into a NY6 bowl. So if those P5 teams would get overlooked, so would YOU!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2018 2:39 p.m.

    navel

    It’s hilarious how Utah fans desperately limit their timeline to BSC/CFP era, and then completely ignore the official BCS final poll, in favor of the AP poll, which has absolutely no connection to the BCS.

    BYU hasn’t finished with an undefeated season during the BCS era, but they have previously finished #1 in both polls, and won a consensus National Championship, PROOF, that BYU, unlike Utah, has the potential to be ranked number #1, since BYU has already been there, done that.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 27, 2018 1:00 p.m.

    ND95CA:

    "It’s interesting that you omitted BYU from your list of undefeated non-major conference teams...Your entire narrative, therefore, has no credibility..."

    I didn't omit anyone! The reason why the indy-WACers didn't make my list, was because they DIDN'T finish undefeated. Read it again! I said, "Since the BCS era, when the powers that be aimed to pit the top 2 teams in the country in the national championship game, thru the CFP era, where it was expanded to a 4-team sudden death elimination tournament..." The indy-WACers only had ONE undefeated team in their entire history, and that was 14-yrs BEFORE the era when the powers that be aimed to pit the top 2 teams in the country to determine the NC. We're not in the "play super weak SOS and hope to back in to the title" era anymore. We're in an era where (1) SOS counts, and (2) one must "earn" their title by beating the best of the best in an official bowl designated for that purpose! So if those 13 teams couldn't do it, and there's nothing "special" about you, then neither will you be able to do it either.

    So again, we don't NEED to see what would happen if you ever finished undefeated. We have plenty of examples!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    uteMYTHology

    Following BYU’s five gift touchdowns to Utah,

    BYU’s offense and defense dominated U,

    scoring 28 unanswered points,

    shutting U out,

    and gaining TWICE as many yards.

    BYU still had plenty of time to score after their fourth touchdown if they’d gotten one more possession.

    The truth is, every Utah fan in the stadium was sweating bullets in the fourth quarter, because they’ve seen BYU snatch victory from defeat many times in similar situations.

  • front ranger Loveland, CO
    Jan. 27, 2018 9:44 a.m.

    Uteology

    Sorry to break the news to you,

    but, despite your spin,

    U still finished with a LOSING division record,

    in your best season

    since joining the PAC 12

    and

    U barely survived BYU’s comeback

    in the Las Vegas Bowl,

    after being gifted 5 touchdowns

    in the first 8 minutes of the game.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 27, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    navel

    It’s interesting that you omitted BYU from your list of undefeated non-major conference teams, since BYU is unique in being the only non-major conference team to not only be considered for, but to actually WIN, a National Championship.

    Not only that, it was a Consensus National Championship, something that even the mighty “conference of champions” hasn’t achieved since 1972.

    Your entire narrative, therefore, has no credibility until BYU, with an undefeated regular season, isn’t invited to the CFP or an NY6.

    Stop confusing BYU’s potential, with Utah’s past failure to even be a legitimate contender for a NC (#6 in the BCS in 2004 and 2008).

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 27, 2018 7:37 a.m.

    Malikini

    Thanks for sharing, but you lose all credibility by claiming that the fan experience in the Marriott Center is subpar to other national programs and that playing in the WCC has limited BYU’s basketball potential.

    Gonzaga, a WCC member, is a perennial Top 25 team and played in the National Championship game last season, completely destroying your claim that the WCC is limiting BYU’s potential.

    BYU women’s volleyball, soccer and basketball teams have all played in the Sweet Sixteen and beyond.

    The WCC is projected to have 2 teams in the NCAA men’s tournament. The PAC 12 three. The MWC one.

    As far as P5 membership, Tom Holmoe has absolutely no control over the social and religiously bigoted factors involved.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    @defective reasoning

    And let's not forget that Utah's biggest accomplishment since joining the PAC 12 was tying for 1st in the PAC 12 South, with a losing record against PAC 12 South teams, and then barely beating BYU in the Las Vegas Bowl after BYU spotted U FIVE touchdowns in the first 8 minutes, before dominating U the rest of the game.

    -----

    In 2015, Utah finished #17 which put us the 2nd best P12 team that season.

    BYU dominated? LOL

    At 35-14, at your own 32 going for it on 4th and 13 with under 13 minutes left, is not dominating. It's called a pulling off a miracle so BYU fans can celebrate another margin of defeat!

    That is your biggest accomplishment, since you keep taking victory laps for it. SAD!

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 27, 2018 7:12 a.m.

    Omphaloskepsis expert

    As long as there’s a provision in the CFP and NY6 rules allowing for at-large selections, EVERY CFB team has the potential of being invited.

    Therefore, your claim that BYU’s potential is 0%...

    is 100% false.

    If that doesn’t make sense to you, I would suggest that a course in logic and seductive reasoning might be helpful.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 26, 2018 11:04 p.m.

    Gandalph:

    "You haven't PROVEN anything...Until BYU finishes with an undefeated season and isn't invited to the CFP or an NY6 bowl, you don't have a shred of proof that BYU wouldn't be invited."

    Wrong little bro! I had concrete, irrefutable evidence! It's not like UCF was the first midmajor to go undefeated, yet not given the chance to compete in a national championship game! Since the BCS era, when the powers that be aimed to pit the top 2 teams in the country in the national championship game, thru the CFP era, where it was expanded to a 4-team sudden death elimination tournament, there have been 13 midmajor programs completing their regular seasons undefeated: Tulane (1998), Marshall (1999), Utah (2004, 2008), Boise St (2004, 2006, 2008, 2009), Hawai'i (2007), TCU (2009, 2010), Western Michigan (2016), and UCF (2017)!

    And not ONE of them were given consideration for a shot at the NC. So why would the cougars be any different?

    Answer: They wouldn't.

    And of course, there is no provision for a midmajor team who didn't win their conference to play in a NY6 bowl. There's your proof, and it's irrefutable. And no the "nuh-uh" argument you're going for doesn't hold water.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 26, 2018 5:50 p.m.

    @Naval

    48&49. You never disappoint. Keep up the good work. MSU is distracted and with your Help, Utah will blow by them as the most obsessed fan base.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Jan. 26, 2018 5:35 p.m.

    Navel

    "I'd proven that YOUR potential is absolutely 0%."

    You haven't PROVEN anything.

    Until BYU finishes with an undefeated season and isn't invited to the CFP or an NY6 bowl,

    you don't have a shred of proof that BYU wouldn't be invited.

    Despite your arrogant opinion of yourself as the fount of all knowledge...

    your personal opinion doesn't prove anything.

    BYU isn't UCF or Western Michigan or any other team that finished the regular season undefeated and wasn't invited,

    so desperately trying to claim that their lack of an invite proves that BYU wouldn't be invited is nothing but your own BYU-hating speculation.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 26, 2018 4:32 p.m.

    Naval

    Your calling anyone in the BYU fan base as obsessed or hypocritical is hysterical!

    BYU Admission services reports 2017 freshman ACT scores averaged 29.5.
    Why are you denying this? Is it just that you don’t believe what Admissions reports? Does that make everyone else liars? Are you that blinded by your hatred

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 26, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    london_josh:

    "If you can't google and find out the average GPA and ACT of incoming students to a specific university then you can't communicate with me because you are somewhat lacking in your google skills since it's on about 50 different websites...and then I think 'which school might he have gone to?' and it somehow all makes sense!"

    Actually london, I CAN and DID Google it! And that's how I know that it's a MYTH that the average ACT score for incoming Freshmen in WACistan is 29.5. And since this discussion is about whether or not this average ACT score is 29.5 -- and it's NOT -- anyone who attempts to defend that it IS...

    ...is a liar! So are supporting the myth that the Y's average ACT score is 29.5? Or were you just trying to change the subject as a disingenuous method of distracting readers away from the fact that cougar fans just make stuff up all the time?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 26, 2018 1:25 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority:

    "What proof do you have that Utah will ever be good enough to earn a CFP or NY6 invite?"

    What are you talking about teeny-tiny little bro? That's not the subject of this discussion. "deductive reasoning", "skywalker", and "EightOhOne" were talking about YOUR potential at ever getting into one of those bowl games. And of course, I'd proven that YOUR potential is absolutely 0%. Try following along with the discussion. You'll look less "uneducated".

    If Utah goes undefeated, our chances are 100%! If we go 12-1, our chances are STILL very high!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    CV Storm

    Aggie fans may be the 2nd most BYU-obsessed fans in the country,

    but they spend even more money on anti-BYU gear than Utah fans.

    What a waste that would be if BYU never played in Logan again.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Jan. 26, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    If you can't google and find out the average GPA and ACT of incoming students to a specific university then you can't communicate with me because you are somewhat lacking in your google skills since it's on about 50 different websites.

    and then I think "which school might he have gone to?" and it somehow all makes sense!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 26, 2018 12:50 p.m.

    navelvet

    What proof do you have that Utah will ever be good enough to earn a CFP or NY6 invite?

    Theoretical chances are meaningless when there’s no reasonable possibility of them actually happening.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Jan. 26, 2018 12:32 p.m.

    Wow CV Storm, just Wow.

    Be careful getting into a discussion about class- We won't even discuss the treatment that BYU basketball players get from the fans in the Spectrum, and of course the documented happenings on the hill.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    navel vet

    Google: “BYU GPA, ACT, and SAT Data for Admissions”
    by Allen Grove, updated July 13, 2017

    “According to BYU, students admitted as freshmen in 2017 had an average GPA of 3.86, an average ACT of 29.5, and an average SAT of 1300.”

    (Data courtesy of Cappex)

    Continue to believe your own made up “facts” if you choose, but that won’t change reality.

    FACTS: googolplex x googolplex
    NV: 0

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 26, 2018 9:51 a.m.

    Uteology-I like your comment regarding playing the cupcake down south. Going to chuckle all day about that one. Most Aggie fans would prefer playing the Utes than the Cougars. The Utes would probably thump us, but at least you know it would be from a class program.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 11:15 p.m.

    SpÄter73:

    "Naval Vet, per admissions.byu.edu/entrance-averages , the average ACT score for accepted applicants is 29.5. The number is accurate as far as BYU literature is concerned."

    What literature? I specifically asked for the Google search engine requirements (publication, author, title of the article, date) to validate that, but you failed to produce them. If you can't produce them, then that means that you'd never read it. And if you never read it, then that just proves my point: that it isn't real. It's made up. It's just something cougar fans "say" because it feels good to say it and/or to justify their historical ineptitudes on the recruiting front.

    Thank you for proving my point.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 11:03 p.m.

    deductive delusion:

    "With inconsistency like that, it's difficult for anyone to take them seriously when they have a great season, especially when they suffered a winless season only two years before their undefeated season."

    What does that have anything to do with whether or not the indy-WACers are "guaranteed" a NY6 or CFP bowl if they go undefeated? You're trying to change the argument, and it's a fail.

    Bottom line: We've ALREADY seen what happens to "midmajor teams" who go undefeated -- no CFP bowl. And you guys are a "midmajor team". So no CFP bowl for you. And since you'll never be a G5 conference champion, no NY6 bowl for you either. That's not MY rule! That's the NY6 bowls' rules!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 10:00 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:52 p.m.
    Uteology

    "BYU is fighting Utah State for 2nd place in the state."

    BYU is 5-3 versus Utah State since turning Independent, including 2 wins in Logan.

    Remind us how Utah did the last time the Utes had the guts to play in Logan.

    -----

    Sure, lost in OT with a D2 QB on a questionable call to #16 USU.

    While BYU got thrashed by a 6-7 USU and 4-8 USU.

    You are right, USU is a tougher team which is why we rather play the cupcake down south at LES where we are 7-3 in over 20 seasons.

  • Ronald Uharriet Menifee, CA
    Jan. 25, 2018 8:31 p.m.

    " BYU is continually striving to position itself for the future and long-term stability and success might mean getting invited to a Power 5 conference. But Holmoe said there’s only so much BYU can do in order to make that happen"

    I have a few suggestions. 1. We can get the very best home grown lemons in the nation that is ranked #1 Among all lemons, but we must be realistic with our thinking in regards to weather or not we can compete with our lemons, drinking it straight, vs the best of the best sweet oranges from Florida or Califonia. We must do what it takes to buy the best oranges, not lemons, if we are to compete against other oranges. 2. We must not be penny wise and pound foolish when it comes to hiring the best produce management team to make sure that we do indeed get the best oranges. If we pass on on the better, but higher price produce manager to get one that will work for less or limit his skills to our chain of stores, he will lose out every time to those that pay for the best they can get regardless of price or grocery chain they work for. 3. We should stay non political and look for the good in all, if we want our product to be cherrished among all.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:52 p.m.

    Uteology

    "BYU is fighting Utah State for 2nd place in the state."

    BYU is 5-3 versus Utah State since turning Independent, including 2 wins in Logan.

    Remind us how Utah did the last time the Utes had the guts to play in Logan.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:45 p.m.

    navel vet

    "Except dpr the fact taht all those teams have been ranked and/or played in NY6 bowl.

    While BYU's biggest accomplishment over the same period is margin of DEFEAT to Utah."

    BYU was ranked #26 AP / #25 Coaches in 2011. That's as high as Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent, but with a better record, 10-3 versus 8-4, and a bowl win versus a blow bowl loss.

    And let's not forget that Utah's biggest accomplishment since joining the PAC 12 was tying for 1st in the PAC 12 South, with a losing record against PAC 12 South teams, and then barely beating BYU in the Las Vegas Bowl after BYU spotted U FIVE touchdowns in the first 8 minutes, before dominating U the rest of the game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 6:55 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    Jan. 25, 2018 5:32 p.m.
    Navel Vet

    " I actually have something to back that up with: UCF beat 4 ranked teams in 2017...

    ...and DIDN'T get into the CFP. Didn't even come CLOSE!"

    UCF isn't BYU.

    -------

    No kidding...

    UCF: BCS and NY6 bowl champions

    BYU: Quest T-shirts and Margin of defeat to Utah champions

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 6:46 p.m.

    @Uteology: "So has 8-6 other teams, 3-9 Mich State and 6-7 Miss State."

    Are you really trying to claim that other teams like Mich St, Miss, Boise St, and even Utah can recover from bad seasons, but it's impossible for BYU to do likewise?

    ----

    I never said that, what I said was BYU does not have the talent to compete agaist 4-6 P5 teams a season.

    BYU is fighting Utah State for 2nd place in the state.

    Those are proven facts.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 6:41 p.m.

    SportsFan - Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 8:11 a.m.
    Uteology

    BYU is not even "keeping" by G5 standards, top G5 teams:

    1. UCF - 3 losing seasons since 2010, including 0-12 in 2015
    2. Boise - BYU beat BSU in 2013 and 2015
    3. Memphis - 4 losing seasons since 2010, including 1-11 in 2010
    4. Houston - BYU beat Houston in 2013 and 2014
    5. South Florida - 4 losing seasons since 2010, including 2-10 in 2013
    6. SDSU - BYU beat SDSU in 2010 and 2012
    7. Western Michigan - 2 losing seasons, 2 6-6 seasons since 2010, including 1-11 in 2013

    Despite your frantic and emotional claim, and the ebbs and flows of each program since 2010, it's quite obvious that BYU is not only keeping up, but in many cases, superior to the above.

    -----

    Except dpr the fact taht all those teams have been ranked and/or played in NY6 bowl.

    While BYU's biggest accomplishment over the same period is margin of DEFEAT to Utah.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 25, 2018 5:34 p.m.

    @ Navy

    36, 37, 38, 39, and 40.

    You never disappoint.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 25, 2018 5:32 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    " I actually have something to back that up with: UCF beat 4 ranked teams in 2017...

    ...and DIDN'T get into the CFP. Didn't even come CLOSE!"

    UCF isn't BYU.

    UCF's football program has bounced up and down like yo-yo since 2004:

    2004 0-11
    2005 8-5
    2006 4-8
    2007 10-4
    2008 4-8
    2009 8-5
    2010 11-3
    2011 5-7
    2012 10-4
    2013 12-1
    2014 9-4
    2015 0-12
    2016 6-7
    2017 13-0

    6 losing seasons, including 2 winless seasons
    5 10+ win seasons, including 2 Top 10 finishes

    With inconsistency like that, it's difficult for anyone to take them seriously when they have a great season, especially when they suffered a winless season only two years before their undefeated season.

    BYU had 4 straight AP Top 25 finishes in a row from 2006 to 2009, and, until this season, had played in 12 straight bowls.

    UCF has only had 3 AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history, and their longest bowl streak is 3 straight bowls.

    Bottom line:

    You don't have ANYTHING to back up your made up claim.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 25, 2018 5:11 p.m.

    navel dude

    "I guarantee that an undefeated indy-WACey team gets neither a NY6 bowl, nor finishes in the Top-4 of the CFP standings, as is required for a shot at the NC."

    LOL at another one of your made up "facts", based on nothing but your own BYU hatred.

  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 4:57 p.m.

    BYU has a loosing season and their base has a hissy fit. How many loosing seasons has the U of U, USU, Notre Dame, MIchigan, Texas, Oregon, had. Every one of these programs had down years. The Y will recover and all will be well in Happy Valley. Can't wait until next year.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 4:04 p.m.

    RivertonCougar:

    "But we're not talking about a WAC team, we're talking about BYU."

    You say to-MAT-to, I say to-MAH-to, but we're talking about the same thing here.

    "To say that it is guaranteed that an undefeated BYU team wouldn't get a NY6 bowl is preposterous."

    No so teeny-tiny little bro! If "EightOhOne" can "guarantee" that they would, then I can just as easily "guarantee" that they would NOT! In fact, I actually have something to back that up with: UCF beat 4 ranked teams in 2017...

    ...and DIDN'T get into the CFP. Didn't even come CLOSE!

    And since UCF was the highest ranked conference champion in the G5s, they were "guaranteed" a NY6 bowl game. The indy-WACers on the other hand, will never be a "conference champion" -- as is required for that guaranteed spot. Ergo, they will NOT get even a NY6 bowl.

    So since I could back MY claim up -- with actual "facts", and neither you nor "EightOhOne" could...

    Edge: Naval Vet

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 2:42 p.m.

    "I guarantee that an undefeated indy-WACey team gets neither a NY6 bowl, nor finishes in the Top-4 of the CFP standings, as is required for a shot at the NC.

    GUARANTEED!"

    But we're not talking about a WAC team, we're talking about BYU. To say that it is guaranteed that an undefeated BYU team wouldn't get a NY6 bowl is preposterous. They would definitely get considered, and there's always a chance they wouldn't get invited, but that's not a guarantee.

    I understand that you hate all things BYU and obsess over all things BYU, but you've gone all the way to pure fantasy.

  • SpÄter73 Hughson, CA
    Jan. 25, 2018 2:11 p.m.

    Naval Vet, per admissions.byu.edu/entrance-averages , the average ACT score for accepted applicants is 29.5. The number is accurate as far as BYU literature is concerned.

    Most BYU players have the distinct disadvantage of knowing there is way more to life than sports (whatever the sport). Worthington admitted as much during post game show after the UOP defeat. That's not to say that sports aren't important, just not most important for most RMs, which make up a fair percentage of all sports programs at BYU. Of course, I always hope BYU will win every game.

    As far as Independence is concerned, my guess is there are numerous factors that the AD considers that we as fans don't. I for one certainly enjoy being able to see BYU football play in our area; something that probably wouldn't happen with conferences BYU would currently consider joining if invited. And independence gives us all something to debate about year round.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 12:48 p.m.

    EightOhOne:

    I guarantee that an undefeated indy-WACey team gets neither a NY6 bowl, nor finishes in the Top-4 of the CFP standings, as is required for a shot at the NC.

    GUARANTEED!

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 12:18 p.m.

    @ Floyd Johnson - Broken Arrow, OK

    absolutely false!! you don't think if byu went undefeated this year, they wouldn't have a legit shot at the playoffs?? they'd at very minimum would be in a new years 6 bowl game guaranteed. it is harder for teams outside the p-5 to break into the playoffs or ny6 bowls, but it is possible. just gotta do your part

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    I remember when LaVell said he felt perfectly comfortable staying in the WAC. Smart fella.

    Year after year BYU recruits in the 60's, but often overperforms—occasionally being ranked. Until they recruit in the 20's, anyone's higher expectations will leave them dazed and confused.

    Know who you are, and "learn to love it." — a contented BYU fan.

  • Lester L. Wester , Jazan
    Jan. 25, 2018 11:14 a.m.

    “"They had an undefeated season and grabbed the attention of the media and the fans of college football," Holmoe said. "Certainly that would help BYU.“

    Otherworldly: Independence is sustainable and an undedeated season would help BYU-P.

    Reality: Actual relevance is from National Bottom 10 ranking and a dancing mascot.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 25, 2018 11:11 a.m.

    We don't know whether or not Ty Detmer is working. Knowing him, he has probably asked to be productively engaged.

    Would be great if he was appointed "Ambassador-at-Large". He is a great asset for the university.

    😁

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 10:04 a.m.

    jello:

    Interesting that you seem to think that my comments = "most obsessed fanbase"…

    …but you responding to me does NOT = "most obsessed fanbase".

    Know what "most obsessed fanbase" looks like?

    Answer: The fanbase that actually combs through all public media articles and physically COUNTS the number of another posters comments! Typical hypocritical coug!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    jello:

    Interesting that you seem to think that my comments = "most obsessed fanbase"…

    …but you responding to me does NOT = "most obsessed fanbase".

    Know what "most obsessed fanbase" looks like?

    Answer: The fanbase that actually combs through all public media articles and physically COUNTS the number of another posters comments! Typical hypocritical coug!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 9:59 a.m.

    What in Tucket:

    Not for a school who admits academic non-qualifiers it isn't.

    P.S.: Your average ACT scores sounded made up. If you, or anybody else wants to defend it, I'll need the name of the publication that reported that, the title of the article, the author, and the date. And again, that's ONLY for publications that wrote "29.5". If your article is reporting average ACT scores that are south of "29.5", then you're actually proving "What in Tucket" wrong. Not me.

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    BYU has an average acceptance rate of students with an ACT of 29.5. This may be a limiting factor in recruiting?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 25, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    I'm no fan of the Indie thing, but I am somewhat puzzled why certain Utah fans care so much about BYU football. Quite flattering that they do.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Jan. 25, 2018 8:33 a.m.

    Saban couldn't win at BYU.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 8:11 a.m.

    Uteology

    BYU is not even "keeping" by G5 standards, top G5 teams:

    1. UCF - 3 losing seasons since 2010, including 0-12 in 2015
    2. Boise - BYU beat BSU in 2013 and 2015
    3. Memphis - 4 losing seasons since 2010, including 1-11 in 2010
    4. Houston - BYU beat Houston in 2013 and 2014
    5. South Florida - 4 losing seasons since 2010, including 2-10 in 2013
    6. SDSU - BYU beat SDSU in 2010 and 2012
    7. Western Michigan - 2 losing seasons, 2 6-6 seasons since 2010, including 1-11 in 2013

    Despite your frantic and emotional claim, and the ebbs and flows of each program since 2010, it's quite obvious that BYU is not only keeping up, but in many cases, superior to the above.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:53 a.m.

    Eastern CO Coug:

    "If they start the season 1-3 I am ok with it as long as they are competitive..."

    Haha! You indy-WACers have slid down from "celebrating" your moral victories, to "questing" for them!

    Midmajors forever.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    @Malihini: "will [BYU] be able to keep up with the teams that they are scheduling, i.e., Michigan St., LSU, Miss St, even BSU and Utah"

    @deductive reasoning: "BYU has beaten Mich St, Miss St and Boise St, and has only lost to Utah by more than a touchdown ONCE in the last 7 games. That's 'keeping up' by anyone's standard."

    @Uteology: "So has 8-6 other teams, 3-9 Mich State and 6-7 Miss State."

    Are you really trying to claim that other teams like Mich St, Miss, Boise St, and even Utah can recover from bad seasons, but it's impossible for BYU to do likewise?

    Comparing BYU 2002 through 2004 with BYU 2006 through 2009 proves how utterly ridiculous that claim is.

    Utah has had TWICE as many losing seasons since 2004 as BYU, and 2017 wasn't exactly a stellar season for Utah either.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:40 a.m.

    cjd1

    "Detmer needs to do the ethical thing and refuse payment since he no longer works. Just like Gary Anderson did."

    Unlike Anderson, who gave up on his team in the middle of the season, it wasn't Detmer's choice to leave.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 7:36 a.m.

    @bluecoug: "So unlike the made up "facts" of some:...- BYU's game versus Notre Dame, has NOT been cancelled"

    @navel vet: "Nope. It's been cancelled. That return game had been scheduled to have been played by 2020"

    Tom Holmoe: "Notre Dame game is getting closer, but not here,..."

    It's quite obvious that you don't understand the difference between "POSTPONED" and "cancelled" and that you're just making stuff up and pretending that you know more than BYU's AD.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 6:57 a.m.

    Since the BYU faithful are content to lay all the blame at Detmers feet, you have to ask yourself what have they done to improve themselves. They have another first year OC, a Ute reject, and the Sheriff who presided over last years disaster. Yes I guess by Holmoes standards that is marked improvement. And the death spiral continues.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 25, 2018 5:07 a.m.

    @Navy

    35 and counting. You are taking over the top with your obsession.

  • Caddis Terry, MT
    Jan. 25, 2018 3:37 a.m.

    Naval Vet,
    N. Dame owes BYU a game. They know it. If they honor their word it will happen. Of not, it won’t. Not the end of the world.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 1:34 a.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:48 p.m.
    Malihini

    "Who can possibly say independence is sustainable? I guess if you consider sustainable as a program that will survive, then yes, I guess it works. BYU football will survive. But will it improve, will it be able to keep up with the teams that they are scheduling, i.e., Michigan St., LSU, Miss St, even BSU and Utah."

    BYU has beaten Mich St, Miss St and Boise St, and has only lost to Utah by more than a touchdown ONCE in the last 7 games.

    That's "keeping" up by anyone's standard.

    --------------

    So has 8-6 other teams, 3-9 Mich State and 6-7 Miss State.

    Plus BYU been spanked by 3-9 ECU, 2-10 Virginia, 4-8 UMass, and is about to lose EIGHT straight to Utah.

    As far as BCS and CFP standards: 0 and 0.

    BYU is not even "keeping" by G5 standards, top G5 teams:

    1. UCF
    2. Boise
    3. Memphis
    4. Houston
    5. South Florida
    6. SDSU
    7. Western Michigan
    8. BYU

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2018 1:15 a.m.

    “Those are when you can get the best [P5] games,” Holmoe said. “It’s a matter of either getting those games or getting games where people aren’t really going to feel like it’s a good schedule. Our team needs to play a good schedule.”

    --------------

    In 2017, BYU played a #74 SOS. That's a good schedule?

    Despite a weak schedule, BYU was a cellar dweller in the state.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2018 12:14 a.m.

    I was really hoping for an article discussing how Tom Holmoe is no longer with the BYU athletic program.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 24, 2018 11:19 p.m.

    This was a big bunch of nothing... Pretty normal for Holmoe News Conferences or Media Days.

    Detmer was no worse or less effective than Sitake has been for the two years he's been here and the year before that at OSU... BTW, why do you think he left utah for OSU? It sure wasn't for the money or the opportunity for a bigger footprint... In short, Sitake shouldn't have been hired... We needed a Journey Level Head Coach with connections and an admirable record. Would it have cost us more... yes, but do we want success or not? Sitake has some Defense experience as coach (but he had Whit looking over his shoulder. He has little to no Offense experience and as a result he couldn't help Detmer, and he won't be able to help Grimes.

    The Defense is nearly as bad as the Offense (one of the worst in the country last year)... It was overlooked because the Offense was so bad and because Tuiaki is Kalani's buddy.

    The biggest problem in my book is Holmoe. He doesn't have the clout with other P5 ADs or P5 Commissioners to ever get us into one of those conferences. In fact, I question whether he even has clout with our own BOTs and Administrators. Glen Tuckett he is not.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 10:01 p.m.

    cjd1, that's not how that works. Anderson walked away, Detmer was fired. Big difference when it comes to contract payouts. Detmer would still be working if he had a say.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Jan. 24, 2018 9:15 p.m.

    I am optimistic about the new offensive coordinator and for a change. Only one direction to go in my opinion. If they start the season 1-3 I am ok with it as long as they are competitive in their games- something there were not last year against top talent. Not even close against LSU and Wisconsin. One thing for sure, is the new OC has some fire and some high expectations and the players will respond in my opinion.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 9:10 p.m.

    Detmer needs to do the ethical thing and refuse payment since he no longer works. Just like Gary Anderson did.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 24, 2018 8:26 p.m.

    @Malihini—

    Following your criticisms of Holmoe:

    “- Hiring and then firing the most beloved BYU athlete (Detmer)”
    “...we still think it's so cool when we get to play LSU.....and never get past the 50-yard line or Wisconsin and get killed.”

    Now that’s a head scratcher! The abysmal offensive performance against LSU and Wisconsin is the fault of the AD, not the guy who is calling the plays and running the offense?!
    You can’t have it both ways—you can’t hold Holmoe responsible for the worst offense in BYU history and leave Detmer blameless.
    Given the hand he has been dealt, I think Holmoe has done a remarkable job, and the dismissal of Detmer, as painful as it was, was the right call.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 8:26 p.m.

    Perhaps those who think the AD is culpable for the BYU offense not being able to get over mid-field against LSU but think the OC was blameless can help us with their logic.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 8:19 p.m.

    When Glen Tuckett retired he was coaxed out of retirement by Alabama. Can’t imagine anyone salivating over Holmoe.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 24, 2018 8:11 p.m.

    deductive reasoning:

    "So unlike the made up "facts" of some:...- BYU's game versus Notre Dame, has NOT been cancelled"

    Nope. It's been cancelled. That return game had been scheduled to have been played by 2020, and all of Notre Dame's schedules through 2020 have already been finalized. And you're not on ANY of them. Ergo, it IS cancelled.

    Holmoe is obviously trying to split hairs with the return game by claiming it "might" be scheduled later, but even if it IS scheduled later, that'll be ANOTHER contract. Not the contract that you all signed 8-yrs ago. The contract you all signed 8-yrs ago...

    ...had been cancelled!

    And Notre Dame thanks you for your 2-for-none, in addition to not having to pay you their cancellation fee! Haha!

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 24, 2018 7:40 p.m.

    I fear we are starting all over with a new offensive coordinator that has never been an offensive coordinator learning another new system. We'll hear that we can't expect to learn a new system in one year and then it will be two years. Two loosing seasons later we'll be back in the same place. Our goal should be to hire and effective OC that has been a successful OC . Fans are patient, but the empty seats were obvious last season. We have had 3 misses and possibly a fourth working now. I hope I am wrong, but so far it is clear that we are running a training grand experiment. I hope the string is broken and that there will be an offense next season.

  • DETERMINISM UTAH, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 6:38 p.m.

    A few serious questions to consider. How many 4-9 teams does ESPN have a contract with? How many millions of dollars will donors continue to contribute to a 4-9 team that plays half of their games at 9pm on Saturday night? BYU football financially supports all BYU athletics with a small contribution from basketball. So who funds us when we don’t have ESPN, conference shared profits or a large bowl revenue? And to add insult to injury, our basketball team isn’t making money in the NCAA tourney. Sitake brought in a great group for next season which tells me he’s serious about righting the ship and understands the implications of another bad season.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 6:25 p.m.

    So Sataki took Kafausi and changed him from a line coach to a different assignment, causing him to leave the program, then gave Detmer zero support (especially with the O-line coaching, causing multiple QB's to go down. Then he basically fires Detmer essentially laying all the blame for a poor season on him. If BYU has another bad year, I propose that the responsibility where it actually belongs, on the head coach's shoulders. If he isn't big enough to take responsibility, then find someone who can. Sataki's lack of loyalty to his assistant coaches (except his buddies and cousins) is reprehensible, and I have lost a ton of respect for him. I hope I am wrong, and a winning season MAY soothe things, but if not, I hope Holmoe has the courage to make a change at the head coach level. If not, maybe he needs to go as well?

  • Marky Mark Gaithersburg, MD
    Jan. 24, 2018 5:41 p.m.

    It is only football and thankfully football means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Another year...another year of Cougar Nation letdowns.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 5:19 p.m.

    Ty Detmer is overqualified to be BYU's athletic director. Detmer was 0.500 as OC, Tom Holmoe was at Cal 5 years as a head coach and went 0.250.

    Holmoe is in denial about independence being the wrong decision. Bronco knows a lot more about football than Holmoe, so I believe what Bronco said about it not being sustainable.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 4:45 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    How do you consider losing the last 7 games, regardless of the score, to our rival as "keeping up?" Who cares how close the games are? WE LOST. That is not keeping up. And then when you consider (objectively consider) what Utah has accomplished over the past 7 years as compared to BYU you cannot say we are "keeping up". C'mon man. Face facts.

    BYU has beaten Boise St twice in the last 8 years. They've never beat them in Boise.
    Since independence they are 6-3 against Utah State. UTAH STATE! Seriously?

    They haven't beaten a ranked team in years and yet we still think it's so cool when we get to play LSU.....and never get past the 50-yard line or Wisconsin and get killed.
    Is that considered a successful program or a program headed in the right direction?

  • venicesurfer Detroit, MI
    Jan. 24, 2018 4:34 p.m.

    @floyd johnson

    ...exposure, do you mean playing LSU and not crossing the 50 yard line.
    ... exposure, do you mean constantly being referred to as a "once good program".
    Exposure means zip if you aren't competing and are just a whipping boy for the other teams. Since when did money become the end-all-be-all for BYU.
    Byu football program has regressed for years. BYU basketball is weaker.... and Holmoe has been at the helm as AD. Time for new leadership.
    In the meantime, I can't wait for BYU basketball game against Portland and the other Weak Coast Conference teams.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:54 p.m.

    ”Holmoe is stubbornly clinging to a sinking ship. It is beyond time for him to step aside!!!"

    Mahini,
    A program is more than just one season in football. It's all sports, combined with adhering to NCAA standards with hundreds of athletes. In BYUs case, dealing with missions and religious mixtures at a school with a strict Honor Code in an increasingly hostile and competitive world. With all that, he has numerous teams always in the postseason:
    - Volleyball M: always winning and in the hunt for conference title and spot in four team playoff; perennial top 8 ranking.
    - Volleyball W: Sweet 16 about five years in a row
    - Soccer W: makes a playoff run nearly each year
    -Cross-country M/W: always in the top ten and makes it to Nationals each year
    -Softball: frequently in playoffs and always winning the conference
    -Baseball: improving significantly
    -Rugby M/W: although just a club sport, always at championship level with many NC trophies.
    -Basketball M/W, football: we know those the successes.

    Most teams make an appearance in their sport ranking or have a final ranking. He's doing an immaculate job. I'd never wish him to leave. One bad football season does not define a AD.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:48 p.m.

    Malihini

    "Who can possibly say independence is sustainable? I guess if you consider sustainable as a program that will survive, then yes, I guess it works. BYU football will survive. But will it improve, will it be able to keep up with the teams that they are scheduling, i.e., Michigan St., LSU, Miss St, even BSU and Utah."

    BYU has beaten Mich St, Miss St and Boise St, and has only lost to Utah by more than a touchdown ONCE in the last 7 games.

    That's "keeping" up by anyone's standard.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:44 p.m.

    @kaysvillecougar
    "What has Holmoe said or done that's been sophomoric?"

    - Unable to get into the football program into a conference. No conference championship and now the team is looking at a .500 record..or less.
    - Unrealistic schedules that have lead to poor football performance.
    - Joining the WCC and basically lowering the performance and achievements of the basketball program to the level of competition in the WCC. (playing in HS gyms, loses to Santa Clara, LMU, Pepperdine, etc..) The basketball team has dropped off of the national map.
    - Hiring and then firing the most beloved BYU athlete.
    - An abysmal marketing effort in the local Utah County, SL County, Davis County, Weber County market to attract local talent and additional fan support. Basically, they've lost the SL, Davis, and Weber county market to Utah.

    And this is saying nothing of the lame fan experience at LES and the Marriott Center on game day. When compared to other national programs, well...it just doesn't compare.

    Holmoe is defending his position, sticking to his guns, I'll give him that, but he is doing so at the continual expense of a declining program.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:32 p.m.

    @Jello Is Good
    @Floyd Johnson

    Who can possibly say independence is sustainable? I guess if you consider sustainable as a program that will survive, then yes, I guess it works. BYU football will survive. But will it improve, will it be able to keep up with the teams that they are scheduling, i.e., Michigan St., LSU, Miss St, even BSU and Utah. No. The answer is simply no. Independence brings about increased recruiting challenges and actually less exposure. Just because all of Utah County watches BYU on ESPN doesn't mean that the rest of the country does. They are not a part of any national conversation. They have some nice teams to play but they have become warm up games, pre-season games, for those teams. What good does it do to play these nationally known teams only to be embarrassed?
    Just look at the recent recruiting. How many one-time BYU commits have recently de-committed and joined P5 programs? You cannot say Independence is sustainable for a successful program. Nobody with an understanding of college football thinks that. Holmoe is just trying to defend his poor decision and direction.

  • EPoint Roy, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:27 p.m.

    UCF declared itself National Champion without being in the Championship Bowls, and made a good case. Folks can argue against UCF assertions, but there is no proof they would not beat both Alabama and Auburn or any other school. Because they were undefeated, I'm giving it to UCF who beat the team that defeated each of the 2 competing teams in the final bowl game.

    BYU may or may not ever reach the level UCF did in 2017-18 in the future; their approach should be to develop their own brand and style of football that will capture the minds and hearts of the football world: innovation, exciting play, etc. It must be an extension of "a style of their own" concept. The group of 5 football powers like UCF, BYU, etc. with fan base can be a power the Power Five Conferences cannot ignore, but only seek to emulate.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:13 p.m.

    USA lover, I think that's a cheap shot to call BYU leadership sophomoric. What has Holmoe said or done that's been sophomoric? I look at his leadership and feel grateful that he's the AD. He really is a class act and I'm glad he's where he is. Good luck Tom and the entire athletic department.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 24, 2018 3:00 p.m.

    So unlike the made up "facts" of some:

    - BYU's game versus Notre Dame, has NOT been cancelled

    - BYU will begin negotiations on a new contract with ESPN soon

    - BYU Independence is sustainable

    - BYU still has a good relationship with the MWC

    - Holmoe and Hill both want BYU and Utah to continue playing each other

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Jan. 24, 2018 2:50 p.m.

    Claims that Detmer didn't know what he was doing are laughable.

    Ty Detmer got hosed. Period.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 2:38 p.m.

    Amateur leadership, botched hires/fires, small-town performance by the folks at BYU.

    As a fan, I'm saddened by the sophomoric leadership at the top of our athletic department.

    Inept....

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Jan. 24, 2018 2:26 p.m.

    If Ty got the same support and offensive coach experience coach Grimes hasTy may still be coaching . Hope the offense this year doesn’t go through 5 QB’s and RB’s and they have a healthy year.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 24, 2018 2:13 p.m.

    @Malihini - Northern, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 1:01 p.m.

    "Asked if independence is sustainable moving forward, Holmoe succinctly answered, "Yes."

    "That tells you all you need to know. Holmoe is stubbornly clinging to a sinking ship. It is beyond time for him to step aside!!!"

    Nope. He's right and your wrong. Independence is sustainable. Is it preferred over a P5 membership or even an AAC membership? Maybe not, but he has proven that indeed it is sustainable.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Jan. 24, 2018 1:48 p.m.

    Amazing, no matter what is said the naysayers are quick to find fault. Tom is navigating a difficult course through football independence. Did an admirable job in getting our other sports into the WCC where we have excelled in many sports and have been challenged in basketball.

    Independence has offered us to host and visit some of the best teams in College football and visit some of America’s greatest football venues.

    Success hasn’t been achieved with a New Year’s Six Bowl game, and that remains a major goal, but we should look forward and approach each season with optimism and, yes, hope for those possibilities.

    Putting a difficult September schedule together is the only way to have a chance for recognition. Depth to withstand the rigors of the early schedule and great coaching will make a difference. We have always been able to get dedicated, hard working, mature players. The challenge is being able to pull out the NFL kind of abilities that are required to compete against all comers.

    Looking forward to a return to great football and the fun LES experience.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Jan. 24, 2018 1:33 p.m.

    Malihini

    No power five conference is expanding. And UCF just demonstrated that no team outside of those conferences will ever be in the playoff. BYU currently has access to basically the same level bowl game as group of five teams, they are making more money than group of five teams and their media exposure is on par (or better) than most power five programs. Their schedule is now on par with group of 5 programs, except they don't have to play the same teams year to year. If group of five football is sustainable, then Independence is sustainable. What would BYU gain with affiliation in a group of five conference? November in Laramie maybe? Because it would cost them money and exposure.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Jan. 24, 2018 1:01 p.m.

    "Asked if independence is sustainable moving forward, Holmoe succinctly answered, "Yes."

    That tells you all you need to know. Holmoe is stubbornly clinging to a sinking ship. It is beyond time for him to step aside!!!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 24, 2018 1:00 p.m.

    So many nuggets answered very honestly and directly. If we win 6 or more games this year with this schedule all will be right with the world and everything will fall into place.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 24, 2018 12:14 p.m.

    "Holmoe said he fields a lot of questions from boosters about why Detmer was let go."

    Seriously? Detmer seems like a great guy, but c'mon, it was abundantly obvious that he was in over his head.