@Lilly Munster President Nelson and all the presidents before him have already
proclaimed that which you are asking them to do. If you have failed to see that
truth in their messages, past and present, I urge you and your family (in three
states and across generations) to re-examine their message. It couldn’t be
more clearly communicated.
Hey Grandebbie - way to through water on the flames of excitement in
anticipation of the new church leadership. It's a "huge deal" for
many church members. Can't you just leave it at that?
This is not a huge deal, the method of calling a new President of the Church has
been in place and used many times. I feel a lot of people are making much more
out of this than it actually is. The doctrine will remain the same, because it
is Gods Church, not the church of any man or woman. We do not just decide that
we are going to change the doctrine because a group of people want us to. The
new President will take the same stand as President Monson on the issues of the
day, I assure you.
Our entire Mormon family, in three states, are praying that President Nelson
will announce support for the full equality for women. That would be a real
benefit. Possibly even help keep our children from leaving the Faith.
With President Nelson being the senior apostle and he most likely becoming the
next president of the Church, there will be not one but two vacancies in the
Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. With the death of Elder Hales it left an
opening. The article refers to only one vacancy.
Red Corvette - St George, UT"I'm Prophet now and I can do
what I want."That's true, but incomplete. The other half of
the truth is that Pres. Nelson only wants what divine guidance will prompt.
@True . We have already sustained President Nelson as the leader of the church.
We did so when we sustained him as the President of the 12. Currently, the 12
are running the church, and he presides over the 12. The only difference is
that when the Apostles meet, they will decide whether the 12 should continue to
oversee the church or if the First Presidency should be re-established. If they
determine that the First Presidency should be re-established, President Nelson
(as the Senior Apostle) will be nominated (most likely by Elder Oaks) to be the
President. That nomination is then sustained (the application of the law of
common consent) by the Apostles. The Apostles, who hold all the keys then set
apart President Nelson as the President of the Church, which allows him to
solely exercise the keys. SO in reality, be it as the President of the 12 or as
the President of the Church, President Nelson is the leader and has been
sustained as such.Since a number of Apostles have spoken or written
what I have stated, I am certain that they have thought about setting apart the
President PRIOR to a sustaining vote by the church as a whole.
@ true:Your comments are partially correct. When I was born in
1955, David O. McKay was the Prophet, so I have some historical perspective for
Presidents 10-16, and soon-to-be 17. Per precedent, after the Prophet's
funeral, the Quorum of the Twelve meet and then reorganize the First Presidency.
At that meeting, the President of the Quorum of the Twelve is ordained and set
apart as the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That
action will have been proposed and sustained by the Quorum of the Twelve. The
ordination and setting apart is performed by the second-most senior member of
the Quorum, with all Quorum members standing in the circle. Once ordained and
set apart, he is the President. At the next General Conference a Solemn
Assembly will take place for sustaining the new First Presidency etc. In the
meantime, there will be many ward and stake conferences in which members will
have the opportunity to sustain the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve;
hence, the Law of Common Consent, as you referenced, will have been followed.
In the twentieth century the only people not retained in the first Presidency
were Hugh B Brown and Marin G Romney. Romney for health reasons as there is no
emeritus for Apostles. Though I guess there could be. And I don,t know about
Hugh B Brown. Preogotive of prophet.There is no demotion in the
church though. Serve were your needed. I would be surprised if the counsellors
were not retained. Interesting they used the title Elder yesterday.
Technically they are back in twelve, but. The interregnum not lasts tell just
after the funeral now.
A Bishop is not a Bishop until he has been sustained by the ward. After being
sustained he is then ordained. This is the Law of Common Consent. This should
apply for all callings in the church from the highest to the lowest. The New
Presidents name should be presented for sustaining first at a General Conference
broadcast where all members have the opportunity to raise the right hand.
Therefore either a special conference should be called or wait until the April
Conference so President Nelson can be sustained by the General membership of the
church. He is not President in its full meaning until he has been sustained by
members of the church. "And all things shall be done by common consent in
the church, by much prayer and faith....."D&C 26:2
Silver Stingray posted:=Perhaps he will announce its all not
true.Yeah, and then at 11:00 the news is going to focus in on
Stephen Hawking, who's going to announce that he's becoming a
Jehovah's Witness. Hold your breath for it, Silver Stingray, hold your
I know I know, but it is fun to speculate, so here it is, I can see Elder
Hallstrom being called to serve as the new Apostle, with his ties to the South
Silver Stingray - St George, UTThere were many who mocked Jesus when
he hung on the cross saying "He saved others; Himself He cannot save".
It has always been the same down through history. Some hear the
call to repent and some mock and belittle the prophets. The choice is ours, but
we can't escape the consequences of our decisions.
When one has a testimony of the reality of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ,
you don't have the slightest concern or worry about who becomes the next
prophet. None whatsoever.God bless Pres. Nelson and the other
Does anyone think that the two new apostles will be called Tuesday as well?
To: SpÄter73 - Hughson, CA - It is on my birthday as well, Jan. 16, 2017.
It isn't necessarily unprecedented, unless someone is trying to state it
because it will be broadcast instead of not. A lot of people in the church like
to blow things up or make things more important than they are, or a big to - do
over everything. Why, people would even state a calling is a demotion is being
disrectful. No calling is a promotion or demotion. People need to start
living the gospel on not a culture. People really need to start living by
Proverbs 3: 5 -
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own
understanding. Religion and Politics and thing of video are
illegal at where I work so I won't see it, but I will read or hear about
"I would be weird if he "demoted" one of The First Presidency. They
seem to do a good job."That wouldn't be unprecedented,
either. Reuben J. Clark served as First Counselor to George Albert Smith, but
as Second Counselor to David O. McKay. President Clark then gave a powerful
talk about how it's more important how you serve, not where.
This is cool. I like the live broadcast angle.I don't think
anything earthshaking will happen. Russell Nelson as president/prophet with the
existing first presidency staying in their office.I would be weird
if he "demoted" one of The First Presidency. They seem to do a good job.
President Nelson is 93. I hope we cherish every word from this great man for as
long as the Lord allows him to lead.
Unprecedented simply because this is the first time it's ever happened on
my birthday. All other possibilities seem pretty close to precedented, even if
not exactly so.
Thank you to the author. The article has been revised and now it is clear what
is unprecedented.The revision says: "The invitation to church
members to a live broadcast an hour before a press conference is unprecedented.
So is the live translation of a press conference into 29 languages."Thanks again.
Why not announce to the media first?I find it very interesting that its
announced President Nelson will speak to the church first. Is he going say
"I am the new Prophet, and these are my two counselors"?Sounds
peculiar to me. I think something else is going on.
President Hinkley passed away on 27 January. President Monson was Sustained by
the Quorum of 12 Apostles and subsequently set apart as the Prophet and
President of the Church 7 days later on 3 February. President Howard W. Hunter
passed away on March 3, President Hinkly was sustained by the Quorum of 12
Apostles and set apart 9 days later on March 12. Again, I
don't see anything unprecedented about the selection of the Prophet next
week. Perhaps the unprecedented is that the news conference will be broadcast
in so many languages.Thank you to gsjpom for the explanation of
"Apostolic Interregnum" and letting us know Elder B. H. Roberts used
Kudos on the revisions to the article. They render my earlier comment null and
void. I'm sorry to see some of the cynical comments on this thread.
However, they are more of a reflection on the individuals posting the comment
than they are on the Church leadership. All my best to President Nelson and to
the members of the Quorum of the Twelve.
Egyptian origins wrote "This is unusual for the President of the Twelve,
not yet unanimously approved by the Twelve to be the President of The Church to
announce a special announcement on Tuesday, the day that would normally be
reserved for the Twelve to meet after the funeral of President Monson, to
unanimously approve President Nelson to become the President of the Church. This
is out of the ordinary,"I don't believe that there is a
normal day that the 12 meet to approve the new president. The ordination
of the presidents after Joseph Smith (which has been the same day that they are
selected is as follows:Brigham Young chosen on a MondayJohn
Taylor chosen on a SundayWilford Woodruff chosen on a SundayLorenzo
Snow chosen on a TuesdayJoseph F Smith chosen on a ThursdayHeber J
Grant chosen on a SaturdayGeorge Albert Smith was chosen on a MondayDavid O McKay was chosen on a MondayPresident Joseph Field Smith chosen
on a FridayHarold B. Lee chosen on a FridaySpenser W. Kimball chosen
on a SundayEzra Taft Benson chosen on a SundayHoward W. Hunter
chosen on a SundayGordon B Hinckley chosen on a Sunday Thomas S.
Monson chosen on a Sunday
Target crowd to probably address during this time period is the Millenial crowd.
"Apostolic Interregnum" is a term used by Elder B. H. Roberts in the
History of the Church, Vol. 7, published in 1930 or thereabouts. Hardly a new
phrase to describe the current situation. Also see Durham, Reed C., Jr., and
Steven H. Heath. Succession in the Church. Bookcraft, Salt Lake City, 1970.
>>Perhaps he will announce its all not true.It's far
more likely he will reiterate the truth that the Church continues moving forward
despite the sour words of naysayers and critics.
My guess is that they will reorganize the 1st Presidency before the broadcast,
then present it to the church membership, then hold a press conference.
Rocket Science posted:=" In an unprecedented move" I wish
you would explain what is unprecedented. I=see this as what usually
happens.I think what's unprecedented is that President Nelson
wants to speak directly to the members so soon after President Monson's
Red Corvette posted:="I'm Prophet now and I can do what I
want."Russell Nelson wouldn't have gotten to the point
he's at now if he believed that.
"Apostolic Interregnum"? When did we start calling it that? I've
seen 6 changes in the President of the church and don't recall that phrase.
Who started calling it that? Someone from the press? It isn't in
scripture. Can we start adding few more rituals and phrases to this process?
How about burning a sego lily after the the apostles vote. Or maybe release a
seagull after the press conference.
See near the top of the article: It is unprecedented to give an address to the
church membership prior to the press conference held by a new First Presidency
(assuming that is what is happening). It is also unprecedented to translate the
proceedings into so many languages. That's what the article is referring
to.@Egyptian: Some news outlets are reporting that the Quorum of
the Twelve met today (Saturday). I suppose we'll get some further details
on Tuesday, but I highly doubt that Pres. Nelson is giving this address before
meeting with the Twelve.This may be an "unprecedented" move,
but anyone who is looking for high political drama will be sorely disappointed.
Gordon B. Hinckley said in 1995, regarding his appointment as President,
"The presidency was then reorganized, following a precedent well established
through generations of the past. There was no campaigning, no contest, no
ambition for office. It was quiet, peaceful, simple, and sacred. It was done
after the pattern which the Lord Himself had put in place." I suspect Pres.
Nelson will have something similar to say Tuesday. We'll have to wait and
Perhaps he will announce its all not true.
To all the folks asking for clarification on what makes the church broadcast and
live translation of the press conference unprecedented: no clarification is
needed, the word "unprecedented", by its very definition, is explanation
enough. It means it's never been done before. There's usually a
press conference when new church leadership is announced, but there's never
been a live church broadcast preceding it, and live translation has never been
provided for the press conference. On a side note: like the article says, the
president of the Quorum of the Twelve is always the administrative head of the
church in the absence of a First Presidency. Whether as president of the church
or president of the quorum, Russel M. Nelson will be the administrative head of
the church until a new First Presidency is organized. Every new apostle is
given all of the priesthood keys held by the president of the church.
This is unusual for the President of the Twelve, not yet unanimously approved by
the Twelve to be the President of The Church to announce a special announcement
on Tuesday, the day that would normally be reserved for the Twelve to meet after
the funeral of President Monson, to unanimously approve President Nelson to
become the President of the Church. This is out of the ordinary, for normally
the new President just takes over and then we wait until April General
Conference to sustain him. This special announcement on Tuesday now becomes a
significant Church Historical event, that every Mormon will need to watch live,
so as not to miss anything. Very curious.
The ongoing leadership from the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles provides continual
guidance and direction for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Their cohesion under President Monson is a testimony of divine guidance to
members, every day.
The new Quorum of the twelve President can also be in the First Presidency. They
would then have a acting Quorum President from the twelve who would be the next
in line of senior apostle.
" In an unprecedented move" I wish you would explain what is
unprecedented. I see this as what usually happens.
Why this is "unprecedented"?
"I'm Prophet now and I can do what I want."
Two things:First, I'm not quite tracking what exactly is
unprecedented.Secondly, the article said that the second-most senior
apostle would be the President of the Quorum of the Twelve unless he was called
to the First Presidency. The person would still be the President of the Quorum,
but the Quorum would then have an Acting President. That scenario has occurred
many times during my lifetime.
I love the interregnum! I always feel secure in the transition to new
leadership. I was a convert in the David O Mackay era and I can testify that it
Please include why this is an unprecedented move. It's clear to older
practicing members of the Church why it is unprecedented but to anyone else it
won't be clear why.