"We all know that it's common behavior by ute fans . . ."arlington hill:As is the well-earned coog "holier than
thou" perspective. Thanks for that.
JohnInSLCWe all know that it's common behavior by ute fans,
however, it's banned by the PAC 12's sportsmanship rules of conduct,
which is why the PAC 12 fined your AD $10,000 and publicly reprimanded him.That's for a 1st offense.For a 2nd offense, Utah's
basketball team could be suspended for a minimum of two games.
Brit:On the other hand:"It may not sound nice to
some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my
soldiers to remember."- George S. PattonI think Gen.
Patton defined all the coog fans chiming in here.
“ Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the
inarticulate”- - Author Unknown
Has anyone been to a Junior High School lately? The kids are swearing like
crazy these days. They would make Chris Hill cry with his weak rant at the
A window into his true self.
At EkeuteYep, 2 in the same
NoNamesYou can pretend that if you want to, but the reality is we
have video evidence and transcripts that prove exactly what was said, how it was
said, and to whom it was said.Chris Hill revealed how he treats
others when he thinks that no one else is listening and you can bet that the
only reason he issued an apology is because his rant was witnessed and recorded
during a live, televised interview and was reported by dozens of news media.
Without knowing what was said or to whom, it is tough to form much of an
opinion.But like politics, anything involving the U or BYU will too
often demonstrate extent to which far too many posters engage in situational or
personality based ethics.Reality is, lots of good and decent people
swear. In fact, like picking one's nose, the question isn't so much
whether most men swear, but rather under what circumstances. Decent men will
refrain from course langauge in the presence of ladies or children. Their
language in the office or at church may be a bit different than when working
with a horse, or on a car.Many who condemn Mr. Hill defend or excuse
Trump. Many who condemn Trump's recent alleged use of a profanity to
describe the squalid living conditions in some nations will defend or excuse
Chris Hill.Does our reaction say more about ourselves than it does
of either Trump or Hill?A man used some profanity in a private
conservation that was overheard. He apologized. Lacking more details, I
have a hard time being the least bit cocerned about this.
Yet another vulgar bully from the New York metro area who thinks he can
intimidate. If he hadn't been caught on a recording, this would have never
hit the fan and there would have been no apology.This kind of
behavior doesn't exist in isolation. Hill needs to go.
good griefIsn't Chris Hill one of the AD's named to the
PAC 12's task force to investigate basketball issues, like the shoe
ekute"Are the above commenters the same ones who were throwing
trash and verbal insults at the officials down in Provo a few years ago?"Deflecting much!Except for a little paper, can you explain
how the incident you refer to was different from the constant yelling and
screaming at officials that we hear constantly at every college basketball
game?So how does that even come close to the level of
"transgression" of the official head of Utah's entire athletic
department shouting obscenities, face-to-face, at the head of PAC 12 officials,
during a post game interview of Utah's head coach that was being broadcast
live on the PAC 12's own network?
TMR - Los Angeles, CAJan. 12, 2018 12:54 a.m.Why is this even a news
story?__________________Oh, I don't know. Maybe
because Deseret News, SL Tribulation, every TV channel in the Intermountain
area, Yahoo Sports, ESPN, Washington Post, USA Today, all news outlets in
Tucson, AZ, all PAC 12 news organizations, and even myrtlebeach online news,
among countless other news organizations say it is? I mean, what better story to
carry than an actual video/audio clip of a supposedly prestigious member of the
conference of champions (though none lately) whose athletic director put his
true character on display during a live broadcast?Why is this even a
news story? Comical that you should ask.
ekute - Layton, UTJan. 12, 2018 2:09 p.m.Are the above commenters
the same ones who were throwing trash and verbal insults at the officials down
in provo a few years ago?______________________________It's for sure it wasn't the BYU's AD doing it. Weak attempt to
deflect embarrassment from the chief athletic ambassador of your entire
university off to some deranged BYU fans several years ago. You must be so proud
of Dr. Hill right now!Sheesh, even Chris B said it's an
embarrassment. I'm positive she wasn't in the stands in Provo
"throwing trash and verbal insults" at the officials.
ekute"Are the above commenters the same ones who were throwing
trash and verbal insults at the officials down in provo a few years ago?"Not once have I ever shouted an obscenity at, nor throw paper at an
official or anybody else, during the hundreds of games I've attended at BYU
and at the U.I was at the game that you refer to, and it was only a
couple hundred fans, mostly students, who were throwing the paper. I condemned
it at the time and make no excuses for it now, even though the officiating was
so bad that games, that it was well deserved.Trying to excuse Chris
Hill behavior, however, because of what a few BYU fans did several years ago, is
pathetic.The two situations are vastly different.
ekuteYou're seriously trying to equate a few random fans
throwing paper and yelling at the officials,with Utah's AD
verbally assaulting, face-to-face, the head of PAC 12 officials, during a live,
televised interview?As far as yelling at officials, except for the
paper, Utah fans do far worse in yelling profanities at the officials. I've heard the entire student section and most of the north end zone
section chanting obscenities at the officials and visiting opponents, in unison,
at almost all of the dozens of games I've attended at RES and at the
Huntsman.Get real!The two situations aren't even
remotely equivalent.Don't be too surprised if the PAC 12 issues
an official reprimand to Chris Hill for his behavior.
As another BYU fan, but a Utahn, am I kind of embarrassed by this loss of
control and profanity from the head of the state's flagship athletic
department, which I support with tax dollars, Sure.But... Okay, the
guy is human, he lost it, and he has apologized for it. At least he didn't
handcuff the official and drag him out of the building.If this is
the worst he does, we let it go and move on, same as we hope people would do for
us in such an instance. We all know that sports bring frustration and anger out
of all of us. We are all trying to gain perfect control but it's a
lifelong pursuit. At least he still cares a lot about his teams.
Are the above commenters the same ones who were throwing trash and verbal
insults at the officials down in provo a few years ago?
CO UteUnfortunately for U, Chris Hill's embarrassing meltdown
and profanity-laced verbal attack on the head of PAC 12 officials is an
embodiment of the general behavior of a significant minority of Utah fans at
every Utah basketball or football game whenever an official's call
doesn't favor Utah.It's therefore not at all surprising
that you're trying to make excuses for it by blaming others.Let's not forget that this wasn't in the heat of the moment when
emotions often run high during a game, it was after the game, when there was
plenty of time for Chris Hill to calm himself before speaking to the official.
@CO Ute - PARKER, CONews flash! All BYU grads are not republican
and yes I would love to see trump impeached, or better yet indicted and
convicted. And yes I know that Dave Rose curses. I may have thrown a few bombs
in the heat of the moment. I just find humor in Hill's hypocrisy, not that
his language was bad, but that he lost his temper. Certainly doesn't seem
Nice to see a number of Y fans posting here with very reasonable comments. Of
course there a a few 'holier than thou' Y fans claiming outrage.For the latter group a couple of thoughts. First I would guess that
every one of you voted for a person to be president of this country that
regularly talks in the same manner and also has been overheard bragging about
sexually abusing women. Apparently you think this type of behavior is
acceptable for the leader of the country but deplorable for an athletic
director.Second, see if you can find a video of Dave Rose pulling
off his jacket, throwing it on the floor, and running off a profanity laced
tirade during a BB game. All this in full public view and knowing that he was
being recorded.If any of you have any integrity you should be making
the same posts asking BYU to get a new coach and congress to impeach the
That's a shame.Joey K. -- Yes that sounds about right. In my
experience I've found that all information, scientific studies, statistics,
etc. on the internet are always 100% correct (especially when it comes to
scientists). ;) Luckily admin and kindergarten teachers never need to "crack
some skulls' to get things done. I know that when I've had my skull
cracked by a CEO, head coach, or President ... I got a lot more accomplished
than I would have otherwise. Serenity now!
Things have imploded rapidly for the Utes in the last 4 weeks.Since
losing to BYU, the Utes are 3-4 overall, 2-3 in the conference, with
an embarrassing, official blaming meltdown by their AD.And, to make
matters even worse.with @USC, Wash, WSU, @ASU, @Ariz, @Col up
nextthe Utes could easily lose 5 of their next 6 games,and be sitting at 11-11 overall, 3-8 PAC 12, by Ground Hog Day.
toosmartforyou,One problem, he does not extend the same courtesy to
others, instead he cancels a game and blames it on a 19 year old kid. I guess because he thought no one was listening it is OK to use profane
language. Pickemright is spot on; inner core.It seems that
between the AD's temper and LK's temper things are on the downhill
trend on the hill. I am wondering if the PAC is now regretting inviting the
sore losers to the conference.
Profanity is something that we've all probably done for whatever reason.
Actually, I believe it's an attempt to express oneself forcibly, but our
vocabulary (at that moment) seemed insufficient. Our English teachers are
probably pulling their hair out...I'm guilty, you're
guilty, we're all guilty at some point. The Utes are going to
win some games and they are going to lose some. It's part of the whole
process of playing against OPPONENTS, who are trying to oppose what you're
doing. They defend, they make shots, they foul you... Get a grip on life.
Basketball is not life or death. It's basketball.
Whatsnu"Acts in Violation of Conference Sportsmanship Policy:- Using obscene gestures or unduly provocative language or action toward
an official,...Penalties - Obscene Gestures and LanguageFirst offense - Public reprimandSecond offense - Public reprimand and
suspension for at least two contests (and not more than one season of
competition)"Going by a strict application of the PAC 12's
sportsmanship policy, Utah's basketball team could be suspended for at
least two games the next time any Utah athletics administrator, student-athlete,
booster, fan, or student swears at a PAC 12 official.
Mr. Boris"This is not an embarrassment to the University of
Utah."Who do you think you're kidding?This is a
huge embarrassment to the University of Utah, that the head of their athletic
department threw a temper tantrum directed at the PAC 12's coordinator of
officials, during a live television interview with Utah's head coach.Personally, I couldn't care less, but it is a serious violation of
the PAC 12's code of conduct, especially for an AD who is supposed to be
setting an example.
SportsmanshipThe Pac-12 Conference has implemented an extensive
sportsmanship policy which applies to each member institution, the athletics
administration, student-athletes, boosters, fans and student-body. Violation of
this policy may result in penalties being placed upon the institution.Acts in Violation of Conference Sportsmanship Policy:- Using
obscene gestures or unduly provocative language or action toward an
official,...Penalties - Obscene Gestures and LanguageFirst offense - Public reprimandSecond offense - Public reprimand and
suspension for at least two contests (and not more than one season of
competition)Seems like pretty clear "First offense",especially since it occurred during a live interview televised by the
PAC 12 Network.source: UtahUtes website
@SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UTJan. 12, 2018 9:12 a.m."TMR
- Los Angeles, CA "Why is this even a news story?"It is meant to
rile up the fans down south who are expressing fake outrage over something that
they'd never heard of before today, and still have no detail about.Sad.They want to get rid of Hill because his accomplishments make
the failures of Independence look even worse."Wow! That is a
stretch and a fabrication on so many levels.As for me, I am not
outraged nor really care if Hill remains at Utah. I am humored and
see at least a little hypocrisy that he allowed a game to be canceled because a
young man lost his cool in the heat of a game and his coach didn't do
enough from Hill's opinion to curb that activity. Fast forward to now and
Hill, hopefully more mature and wise than a 21 year old young man, at the end of
a game, not in the heat of a physical game, lost his temper and yelled and
cursed at the head of PAC 12 officiating.So if the Ute players
follow his example if they don't like a call, they should yell and curse at
the ref, right? I'm not outraged or offended or even "riled" up.
Just humored and entertained.
He's sorry...sorry that his little, true character revealing tantrum was
broadcast out over live media for all to hear. 80k's response was
priceless. Nice job Larry! Usually it's Mr. crimson or plaid jacket who has
the veins bulging out in his neck from a public tirade.Hey
soonerorlater, what more detail does anybody need than the video, with sound, of
80k's presser, to form an opinion? This doesn't have anything to do
with the fans down south. It's the display of a childish meltdown from the
guy at the TOP of the u athletics food chain.Will there be censure
from the university? From the league? Or is that kind of behavior only frowned
on, and requires accountability, when it's a student athlete?Of
course, up on the hill we never blame officiating for our losses. That only
happens in Provo too. A documented comedy of embarrassment. I'm sure the
conference of champions (but none recently) is proud to have you live in their
Just the FACTSCBS Sports: "Utah AD apologizes for
profanity-laced tirade directed at head of Pac-12 officials"According to The Fieldhouse, Hill (now identified as the angry voice in the
video) was directing his frustration at Bobby Dibler, the Pac-12 coordinator of
basketball officials."You know that, Bobby. They're
supposed to be good officials," Hill yelled before expletives flew during
coach Larry Krystowiak's press conference in the room near him. Krystowiak,
however, quickly came to the aid of his boss: "I don't recognize that
voice," he said.
Sooner Ute,If you would read the comments you would see that most
BYU fans don't even care about this. Once again a Ute fan takes a story
that has nothing to do with BYU and somehow makes it about BYU. It's
embarrassing.Most BYU fans are coming to the defense of Chris Hill
in this situation so I think the fake outrage is by you. BYU fans don't
want to get rid of Chris Hill. BYU fans don't care one way or another
about Chris Hill.Utah alum,This is not an embarrassment
to the University of Utah. This type of thing happens at every university in
the country. Sports are intense and emotional and sometimes people make
mistakes. So what? He apologized, he didn't need to, but he had to do the
PC thing. And as a BYU fan I don't care. It shouldn't even be a
story. And since when do we care what they think about it in Germany? You can
represent a university professionally and still get mad once and awhile. And I
don't care that he used profanity.
wazzup"Yelling at Bobby Dibbler. PAC12 director of officiating.
I guess he was yelling at him because ASU had 12 more fouls called on them than
on his own team."I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see the
PAC 12 issue some type of sanctions or reprimand.Isn't this
type of behavior expressly prohibited by the conference's code of conduct?
@TMR - Los Angeles, CAJan. 12, 2018 12:54 a.m."Why is this
even a news story?"You read it and commented on it. Must be
important to you.
@TMR - Los Angeles, CA: "Why is this even a news story?"@Sooner Ute: ""It is meant to rile up the fans down south..."LOL at your desperate attempt to blame BYU fans.This story
has absolutely NOTHING to do with BYU or its fans.It's been
reported by the SLTrib, D-News, ESPN, Bleacher Report, FOX News, and scores of
other media outlets and is a complete embarrassment for Utah to have its
Athletic Director throwing a temper tantrum during a live interview.
I have watched this guy from afar for a long, long time, and he has always acted
and been an.....well, we all know what he is. Trump has nothing on him exept
the President actually does productive things.
Mr. Boris"I'm a BYU fan and this shouldn't even be a
story."It was Chris Hill throwing a profanity-laced temper
tantrum during a live post-game interview with Utah's HC, not BYU fans,
that made this story.It's an embarrassment to the university
that Chris represents and warranted a public apology.I've even
seen mentions of this story posted in Germany, so it's obviously a
newsworthy story, whether you like it or not.
TMR - Los Angeles, CA "Why is this even a news story?"It is meant
to rile up the fans down south who are expressing fake outrage over something
that they'd never heard of before today, and still have no detail about.Sad.They want to get rid of Hill because his accomplishments make
the failures of Independence look even worse.
Yelling at Bobby Dibbler. PAC12 director of officiating. I guess he was
yelling at him because ASU had 12 more fouls called on them than on his own
I am a BYU who has no love for the team up north but I must say, this should not
even be a story. So often the press over-steps their bounds in their attempt to
over dramatize everything. Let it go. We all have moments that we are not
proud of and wish we could take it back, this should be one that is not judged
and should just be left alone. Chris got upset, was frustrated,
whatever...we've all been there and I'm glad that my mistakes are not
on public display. As BYU fans, or just people in general, we should all be
quick to forgive and forget and never make hasty judgement. Let it go, just let
Half an apology. Who were you speaking to and what were you complaining about
C'mon, who was the rantee and what was the rant about? I'm guessing
it had something to do with officiating.
The true Chris Hill comes out. Just live with it. It is time for Chris Hill to
I'm a BYU fan and this shouldn't even be a story. Who cares if Chris
Hill said a few swear words? It's not a big deal and if it bothered
someone maybe they should stop eavesdropping on private conversations.And no, you can't tell the inner core of a person by the language that
they use. That is absurd.
Joey K"Actually swearing is a sign of intelligence according
scientists..."Don't kid yourself, it doesn't take any
intelligence to swear.What swearing really demonstrates is a
coarseness in behavior and a lack of self restraint.
MYTH--that the Utes never blame losses on the officials--BUSTED!U
lost, at home, to a team that had even more fouls called on them, Chris.Deal with it.
Time for a change! Bye, hill.
The apostle Paul said it best,Ephesians 4:2929 Let no corrupt
communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of
edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
What the hill is this all about?
Actually swearing is a sign of intelligence according scientists (EDIT, tried to
post an article but it didn't work, just google "Swearing and
Intelligence."My experience is that people who are highly
successful in life often have these type of outbursts because they demand
perfection from themselves and others. It's easy to be an admin or
kindergarten teacher and keep your cool, but when you are CEO, head coach, or
President you often need to "crack some skulls," to get things
accomplished. This is only a story recently because of the increase in video
cameras, throughout the history of time this was common place. Swearing and yelling don't make Chris Hill a bad person, they are part of
the reason he has gotten so far in life.
I would like to nominate Kyle W. for AD.
Enough. Hill, go home to Jersey. Time for a change at the U.
Go back to Jersey, hill.....time for change.
I guess some people have never heard Rick Majerus or Bobby Knight express their
opinions to their players. Their heat could wither a rose.Get over
That's pretty ugly - if it were BYU's AD who said that the Utah fans
would remember it like CNN will remember what Trump said today for ever and ever
Relative to language and comments to connecting character here. Look, you
don't have to condone any language (cursing) or its' tone in order to
be understanding of human emotion and flaw. If you are above that in your life,
when upset or what not, good for you. Still, we are all sinners. Judging
one's character in matters like this (or in general) is a much finer line
than judging a behavior to avoid or speak out against. See the
distinction?Questionable/bad behavior is interwoven in the human fabric since
'the fall'. Individually and collectively we all need grace. Judgments
that resemble condemnation is stepping outside of him who is worthy to judge
(our Savior). Dr. Hill is not well received by some in blue I dare say. For me
as a Ute, it doesn't mean I endorse this relative behavior here either. But
I don't bash Dr. Hill. Likewise, I DON'T think any worse of Bronco
Mendenhall when it was made public, and Bronco admitted that he used (say)
"colorful language" in the Cougar and Cavalier locker rooms. Sometimes
good people swear. That said, we could discuss use of language and have our
takes. Still, people mess up. Steve Young is beloved. NFL Competition reached
Why is this even a news story?
@PickemrightCasting the first stone are we? I get the
dislike of Coach K from BYU fans. 80k is a good rib. Me, I like the guy and his
reaction here is funny. I also remember Coach K apprehending a bike thief on
campus years ago and detaining him so to speak while waiting for campus police
What an embarassmentWe get 19 fouls on us to 31 on ASU and Chris
hill throws a temper tantrum?Ya we have nothing to whine about with
officiating in that game.
So, the only real mistake he made was being overheard. The same people
condemning and demanding apologies are frequently the greatest offenders of
rants and inappropriate language.
Great ambassador for the state and the PAC.
My guess is that if the Utes had won, he wouldn't have been cursing. Well,
we're all human I guess and sometimes emotions take over rather than
reserved behavior. I'm OK with that as long as Dr. Hill gives allowance
for others with the same shortcoming.
You can tell the inner core of someone by the language they use---especially
when they think no one else is listening.
Not much news unless we know who was on the other end of the conversation and
what the general content of the "rant" was.