Jay Evensen: The irony of the Cliven Bundy case

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  • Michael_M Scottsbluff, NE
    Jan. 13, 2018 4:25 a.m.

    @Dan Maloy
    I disagree. Had the Bundys simply obeyed the law none of this would have happened and Lavoy would still be alive. How can they remain in good standing in a church with an article of faith such as that 12th one?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:02 p.m.

    Next time you thank a service man for his service, ask him how he feels about risking his life for people like Bundy and the failure of our justice system.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    @ Michael_M - Scottsbluff, NE - Jan. 11, 2018 2:47 a.m. - "What ever happened to the 12th Article of Faith?"

    It's still there. And practiced, often, even by the Bundys.

    Here's my questions:

    1 - Whatever happened to the FIRST part of the 12th Article of Faith?

    2 - Whatever happened to the First Amendment?

    3 - Whatever happened to the Tenth Amendment?

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:04 p.m.

    Article quote: "This fight over Western land is not new, nor is it well understood by people who live in other parts of the country. In Utah, 66 percent of the land is federally owned. In Nevada, it’s 84.9 percent; and in Oregon, 53 percent."

    Do I think our federal government has a "right" to own land here in America?

    Of course.

    Military bases and the associated military training grounds, federal court houses, government offices, etc have to be put somewhere.

    But a whopping 66% of Utah?
    Over half of Oregon?
    And poor Nevada only gets to own a measly 15.1% of what's within its OWN borders?

    That isn't called "fair", that's called "government over-reach". That's called "unrighteous dominion". That's also called legalized "theft".

    To those who claim the Bundys don't know what's in the Constitutions they carry around in their pockets, I bet they understand the 10th Amendment very, very well.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:34 a.m.

    Jay -

    I disagree. The federal government, as a whole, IS the problem. In this case it was one single, solitary judge who spanked the entire federal government.

    Thank the Lord for people with a spine.

  • 1Reader Alpine, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 9:30 a.m.

    They Feds were amazingly arrogant and consistently over-apply their authority. This could have been a tragic disaster like in Waco, Texas. These matters need to be managed more cautiously.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:29 a.m.

    Thank you blarson for doing your homework and knowing of what you speak. You made excellent points.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 4:56 p.m.

    Go Bundy!!

  • KJR Sequim, WA
    Jan. 11, 2018 2:53 p.m.

    Yes, in a sense the Federal Government protected Bundy's rights . . . but he had to go to court and expose massive overreach by that government to escape incarceration. As the judge noted that oh-so protective Federal Government engaged in "reckless disregard for constitutional obligations." And unlike the defense, whose job is to represent the client zealously within the bounds of the law, the prosecutor's mandate is to "seek justice." Between seeing a bloated federal bureaucracy that lacks accountability and the ATF, BLM, and the like fielding SWAT teams, I'm getting a little nervous about my rights.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 12:08 p.m.

    @2 bits

    Bundy ignored multiple federal court orders to remove his cattle from federal land. When the final court order authorizing the BLM to forcibly remove his cattle was made, Bundy threatened violence verbally, and called for armed resistance to that legal court order. Bundy supporters trained loaded weapons on federal agents. Bundy and supporters directly interfered with federal agents attempting to enforce a court order.

    Any and all of those items are grounds for arrest.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 12:04 p.m.

    @blarson

    "The fact is that LaVoy Finicum could have been picked up at almost anytime before his attempt to travel to another location outside of the county with no danger to anyone. Period. Full stop."

    Absolutely false. Full stop.

    Lavoy Finicum's truck and one other vehicle were pulled over well before the roadblock. Finicum told law enforcement they would need to shoot him to prevent him from travelling to the meeting in the next town.

    The other vehicle stayed and surrendered to authorities. Finicum sped away, crashed a roadblock, exited the vehicle and was shot reaching for a gun. Multiple videos, including one taken from inside his own truck verify Finicum's comments and actions before his death.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    RE: "federal agencies commanding “armies,”...
    Armies like the ATF that kill their own citizens (not enemies abroad) I might add.

    People think the biggest mass killings in the USA were by a crazy kid at Sandy Hook (26), or a radicalized Muslim in Orlando night club (49), or a crazed gunman in Las Vegas (58). But the largest loss of life was when the ATF attacked the religious group in Waco Texas (80+ men women and children died when the ATF attacked the people in the compound 23 years ago).

    Not crazy people, or radicalized Muslims, but radicalized government workers carried out the largest mass murder in America so far.

    ===

    So many (like OMM) are saying "Bundy and his group deserve to be in JAIL!"...
    ---
    What group needs to go to jail? And for what? They were protesting. Not a shot was fired by Buddy or any protester.

    Did anybody go to jail when the guy who protested in Oregon was shot and killed for trying to get away after their protest?

    Protesting is not a Death Penalty offense people.

    Disagreeing with your government is not a Death Penalty offense.

    Exercising your right to bear arms is also not a Death Penalty offense.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 11, 2018 7:21 a.m.

    Clive Bundy and his family take up arms against law enforcement - and he is a cult hero to the hard right crowd. Meanwhile the same crowd view black football players taking a knee during the anthem protesting police abuse as treasonist.

    How is the threat of direct violence and killing of police deemed ok in one instance, while protesting the police killing of suspect viewed as anti-American.

    We live in strange times.

  • Michael_M Scottsbluff, NE
    Jan. 11, 2018 2:47 a.m.

    What ever happened to the 12th Article of Faith?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:06 p.m.

    All the back and forth misses one extremely important fact.

    The Bundy's committed an act of domestic terrorism. And they got off on the technicalities rather than full redemption from a jury.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 6:59 p.m.

    The dismissal of this case doesn’t prove whether bundy was innocent or guilty. It only shows that prosecutors messed up.

    The dismissal of this case also doesn’t lend any credibility to Bundys cause. He is still a man who owes money for grazing.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Jan. 10, 2018 5:43 p.m.

    My, after watching the whole NFL kneeing fiasco go ballistic --
    it will certainly be interesting to wait and see how the Trump Administration deals with this sort of "heavily armed insurrection against the Federal Government" sort of conflict...

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 10, 2018 4:54 p.m.

    Hey blarsen -

    Re: "There is no evidence he’s was reaching for a gun."

    . . . Except for the video and the officers' statements.

    Re: "What happened to LaVoy Finicum was cold blooded murder. The perps still have to be brought to justice."

    Guess what . . . Even police officers have a right to defend themselves.

  • Reb68 Mesquite, NV
    Jan. 10, 2018 4:44 p.m.

    While the author is correct that in the end the system worked, it failed before it finally did. Greg Burleson was given a life sentence this past year, because he did not have 33000 pages of evidence the Bundys had access to. The system failed because, no matter how you slice it the indictment contained false information, based on false claims and out right lies. Because of that they were jailed for over 650 days, and Cliven 700, and combined they now owe half a million in legal expenses. The Bundy's have every right to be disgusted and to continue to be skeptical of the system and the government that administers it.

  • blarsen BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 4:05 p.m.

    GaryO, again.

    The fact is that LaVoy Finicum could have been picked up at almost anytime before his attempt to travel to another location outside of the county with no danger to anyone. Period. Full stop.

    There is no evidence he’s was reaching for a gun. He had his hands up and could have been easily talked down and detained. Watching the video closely show a man crouched by the back of the car pointing a gun at him. Just after LaVoy reached for his upper left breast/shoulder, the man scooted away out of camera range. The strong implication is that he fired a dummy round to hit LaVoy in that area so Lavoy WOULD reach for it, and so they would be justified in gunning LaVoy down.

    There is an excellent video you should watch that meticulously goes through every step of the extant videos, showing exactly what happened, and where and in what time frame they happened. The overwhelming evidence points to a deliberate set up.

    What happened to LaVoy Finicum was cold blooded murder. The perps still have to be brought to justice.

  • hbeckett Colfax, CA
    Jan. 10, 2018 3:53 p.m.

    in time justice will prevail our government is still learning what is correct but we are all human beings with God given rights to freedom of conciense and actions to right the wrongs that are sent against us Jay you did your best to portray the facts in this case thank you

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 10, 2018 3:37 p.m.

    Hey NoNamesAccepted -

    Re: "In the Bundy Nevada case, nobody died precisely because the citizens presented a credible resistance."

    Wrong

    Actually, the OPPOSITE happened.

    Finicum died because he was armed and appeared to be going for his gun. I've seen the video. Had he not been armed, he would still be alive today.

    "I would rather die than be caged." - LaVoy Finicum

    He died. The others were caged for a short while. The choice was his to make, and he made it.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 3:25 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon: "No - the irony is: a single unarmed ... black man ... heavily armed White men"

    Is this "irony" or is this natural outcomes? The lone, weak, aged, or slow often fall victim to predators. The strong, the many, and fast, the armed have a better chance to survive.

    Ruby Ridge, Waco, WVC & Danielle Willard, Michael Brown, Baltimore, Bundys in Nevada.

    If you admit the possibility of abuse of government power and bogus charges in some of these cases, why do refuse to even consider the same may be possible in others? Racists figure inner city blacks have it coming. What do we call the man who figures rural ranchers, or fringe religious folks deserve it?

    "Bundy and his clan deserve to be in JAIL!"

    A United States federal judge who has shown zero bias in favor of the Bundys, indeed, quite the opposite, says otherwise. Do you support the system? Or do you have the same kinds of concerns about injustice that many on the right have?

    Justice cannot be partial to one race or zip code vs another. If you recognize the potential for government to unjustly gun down innocent black men, you must also recognize that same potential when it comes to ranchers.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    @wasatchcascade: "In the Nevada setting, Bundy supporters had ten times the number of snipers perched, all with their guns pointed at BLM and federal agents."

    Two thoughts:

    1-If I point a gun at a man without "reasonable man" belief that he poses an imminent, grave risk to my life or limb, I have committed a serious crime. Those upset over Bundy supporters having or pointing guns are really upset about them doing so in the supposed absence of a legitimate need for self defense against criminal violence.

    But, we've learned it was the BLM who first pointed guns at the Bundy family even when all of their own, best intel told them the Bundys were not violent.

    When a man points a gun at me without justification, that man now becomes the criminal and has given me "reasonable man" belief to fear for my safety.

    2-Rural residents learned the sad lessons of Ruby Ridge, Waco, the WVC Danielle Willard case, and too many cases involving black young men. When the government vastly outguns the citizens, government agents get a little trigger happy and innocent people die. In the Bundy Nevada case, nobody died precisely because the citizens presented a credible resistance.

  • blarsen BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 3:14 p.m.

    To “wasatchcascade” Got any more hyperbole you can throw at the Bundy controversy? E.g., :Bundy supporters had ten times the number of snipers perched, all with their guns pointed at BLM and federal agents”. This is simply an exaggerated lie.

    And the Bundy’s don’t just claim to be part of the LDS fold. They’re members in good standing, last I heard. Then there’s the snide comment about “Captain Moroni”.

    But yes, the Bundy actions do constitute a “political prism on a most pressing issue”. The real issue is government overreach and the illegal actions they, themselves resort to, some of which were outlined by Judge Navarro, but not all.

    And of course, you’d want to throw racial identity politics into the mix, usually utilized by left-leaning individual/groups to obscure real issues.

    Curious. How do you feel about the LDS Hammond family being convicted twice (double jeopardy) for so-called terrorist activity on their ranch for a controlled burn?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 3:09 p.m.

    Jay, innocent men (which is what they legally are at this time) have spent upwards of 2 years in jail, away from family, unable to operate their business, incurring massive legal bills, after having valuable livestock shot, tortured, killed, and left to waste.

    To have the charges dismissed with prejudice--to be effective ruled "innocent"--is not justice.

    Either the BLM and prosecutors hounded innocent men and violated their rights, or some very dangerous, guilty men have been allowed to skate due to grossly unprofessional, illegal, unconstitutional conduct by our agents. In either case, justice demands that those responsible (BLM supervisors, head prosecutor) be prosecuted for their crimes.

    Justice demands that innocent men be compensated for their property (livestock) that was destroyed, for their time unjustly incarcerated, and for the violation of their due process rights.

    Thus far, the system isn't working very well. We didn't convict men in violate of due process. But the system has greatly wronged them while failing to prove any punishment was justified.

    Surely, we expect a higher bar than that.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 10, 2018 3:02 p.m.

    Re: "The federal government system they portray as the enemy just protected their rights from abuses of power, precisely as it was designed to do."

    True.

    The Federal government is Cliven Bundy's benefactor. And yet he shows no appreciation. He didn't even say thank you.

    The Federal Government, given to us by the Founding Fathers via the U.S. Constitution, benefits all American citizens. That's what government was DESIGNED to do. It promotes the general welfare. Many of us appreciate that fact.

    The Bundy's do not appreciate it. The Bundy's and others like them are defined by their narrow minds, their ingratitude to our nation, and by their greed.

    Why is it we should not "cast pearls before swine?" . . . It's because swine cannot appreciate those pearls.

    Modern "conservatism" has created a whole herd of people like the Bundys . . . Greedy, grasping, unthinking, and ungrateful souls who demand much from our nation but refuse to give anything back.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 2:47 p.m.

    The Bundy's are not "the good guys"; they're thieves who have been stealing from the rest of us for decades.

  • wasatchcascade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2018 1:55 p.m.

    Putting a political prism on a most pressing issue, violence that accompanies cultural and political angst. In the Nevada setting, Bundy supporters had ten times the number of snipers perched, all with their guns pointed at BLM and federal agents. And Bundy's for years have scoffed at Federal grazing fees and Court Orders backing up those assessments. And the young Bundy's barged right in to a Federal Facility in Oregon and took up residence. And in both cases, politicians, either supported them or acted in a sympathetic manner. And the Bundy clan all claim to be part of the LDS fold and often tender constitutional and scriptural messages to support their actions. Captain Moroni came forward in Oregon and even in Nevada. Those that endorse these activities and views - showing up in mass with high capacity assault rifle type weapons and scoffing at basic public land use practices? Had these men been "Black, Hispanic or Muslim" don't you just imagine that their "dance and parade" would have lasted (not long) for how many hours or days? Resolving conflicts in modern society? The Bundy way? Or, are there other options?

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 1:52 p.m.

    @mcclark, I think the $8K amount was what was brought up at trial. The last grazing fee that Cliven Bundy attempted to pay to Clark County was $1.9K for '93 to '94. Assuming a constant fee rate over 20 years, that comes to $38K, a far cry from $1million.

    Technically, the BLM canceled the grazing contract w/ Bundy's in 1994. The money that the BLM claims is owed is for grazing trespass fines. However, the BLM when requested via FOIA has not produced an account of what they claim the Bundy's owe and why. Seems like someone just pulled a very big number out of the air to justify the BLM actions against the Bundy's.

    @TheEducator, of the people in the spotlight that are LDS, The Bundy's are in the minority that does not cause me embarrassment.

    @Freiheit, The Courts give opinion, what they say goes, as long as it is in accordance with the Constitution. If/when they try to make unconstitutional laws from the bench that is when the 2nd amendment is put to the test.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 1:28 p.m.

    JimInSLC claims: "The grazing fees that the Bundy's did not pay to the BLM amount to about $8K, the other $992K claimed to be owed is, I assume, penalties and interest. "

    Honesty just doesn't work for the conspiracy conservative, does it.

    Your 8k doesn't even cover one year at the lowest rate, and he hasn't paid in 25 years, your math is horrible, but I suspect your just repeating radio nonsense instead of actually researching it.

    The mess was created by a cheat and a thief, Bundy.
    To defend him is to defend lawlessness and theft of property by a terrorist clan.

    Good people don't threatin to shoot public servants.

    Black guy takes a knee and the conservatives loose it.
    Rednecks takeover a government building with an armed insurrection, and conservative applaud their protest?

  • blarsen BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    Mr. Evensen says: “The federal government system they portray as the enemy just protected their rights from abuses of power, precisely as it was designed to do.”

    Three things are wrong with this statement: saying the Bundy’s portray “the federal government system . . . as the enemy”, could be called a sweeping generalization, and a bifurcation or black-and-white logical error, as well as being misrepresentations of their position.

    The Bundy’s support the federal government system when it stays within the bounds of the Constitution. They are against federal overreach and criminality of action. Why indeed, as Bundy asked, are simple government agencies able to bring what amounts to armies against citizens, and to commit their own illegal actions with no repercussions?

    And you think the Bundy’s and their supporters somehow don't understand that the government worked in their favor? I'm sure they are very grateful that the government (i.e., Judge Navarro) acted as it was supposed to. There is simply no irony warranted.

    The rest of your statements in the article indicate you have no compunction to address or recognize government overreach or government criminality.

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 12:47 p.m.

    Bundy owes me and fellow taxpayers millions of dollars. We aren't letting this welfare queen go without a fight. I have confidence that we will get him. I want my money back. Anyone else remember when Hannity couldn't cheerlead Bundy enough? But then suddenly dropped him after he said something? Anyone remember what Bundy said?

    So lets stop making Bundy out to be some hero. He's a criminal and a completely embarrassment to the LDS faith.

    Get Educated

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    Irony? Like in "crime pays"?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Jan. 10, 2018 12:20 p.m.

    This is far from over....

    mobster Al Capone was never found guilty of running a mob, murderer, ordering hits, gambling, extrotion, or bootlegging alcohol.

    ...Al Capone died alone in jail for tax evasion....

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 10, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    I would be very interested to know "how many" government snipers were at the ranch. Also, did those protesters know they were there?

    Mr Evensen: Please give a report on the status of Mr Bundys grazing rights. The courts have ruled that he owes money but why hasnt his "grazing rights" been lost because of not paying those fees.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    To those supporting Bundy are you also supporting the right for Americans to disregard the rulings of our courts or just the actions the BLM took to get what was owed to the general public? Bundy kept sending his grazing fees to the State of Nevada who returned them and said to resubmit to the BLM as they are the landlords for the American people's lands. Bundy refused to acknowledge the Federal government as the rightful owner and the courts instruction to pay them. He may have won the battle but it's best he losses the war or we'll have anarchy on our hands out on our public lands out West.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 11:34 a.m.

    mcclark: "For a bunch of folks who carry a copy of the Constitution in their pockets they don't seem to know much about it. It clearly states that the Supreme Court decides what is and what isn't Constitutional." It says no such thing. The power of the Court to decide constitutionality of congressional legislation grew slowly from Marbury v Madison and the Dred Scott case (54 years apart) to general acceptance now. It is presently part of our system, but it is not in the Constitution.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 11:31 a.m.

    Thid, the matter was settled in court, several times. The Bundy's refused to obey the courts findings. Jim, $8,000.00 divided by 20 years (the time they have refused to pay) equals $400 per year. I dont think so.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 10, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    @ Impartial: If Bundy had been grazing his cattle for free, the government should have put a lien on his cattle and settled the issue in court, not come in with helicopters, military vehicles and guns to abuse and threaten him and his family! What the government did was wrong, unless you live in Iran or N. Korea! That's the difference!

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 11:03 a.m.

    The grazing fees that the Bundy's did not pay to the BLM amount to about $8K, the other $992K claimed to be owed is, I assume, penalties and interest. The Fed Govt has spent over an estimated $6 million to try to collect those fees. It is not about the money.

    In 1993 there were 53 ranchers in Clark County Nevada area; The majority of them I have to assume complied and paid grazing fees to the BLM. Today, all but 1 has been pushed off their property and the land acquired by special interest groups.

    I'm glad that the Bundy's are out of prison, though I would have liked to have the trial concluded with a decision by the Jury, which I'm certain would have been favorable to the Bundy's. Judge Navarro did a great service to the feds by calling the mistrial with prejudice to prevent the BLM from pursuing this mess they created.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 10:53 a.m.

    Well said, and I don't mind pointing out often as not federal police power has been directed against the left, like when J Edgar Hoover was running the FBI. We on the left need to remember this.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 10:52 a.m.

    For a bunch of folks who carry a copy of the Constitution in their pockets they don't seem to know much about it. It clearly states that the Supreme Court decides what is and what isn't Constitutional. The Supreme Court has ruled several times that the Federal Government can own and administer land. But they reject that finding, in effect rejecting the Constitution.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 10, 2018 10:50 a.m.

    And I bet they still have not paid their grazing fees.

    No colored man or a person with a Hispanic surname could possibly get away with what the Bundys got away with.

  • makka Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    While I don't agree with the methods used by the Bundys, I'm afraid the greater risk to our country is the lack of trust in our federal government that is spreading because of their repeated unwillingness to follow the law.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    @1covey;
    "As to land use, it is time to stop the power struggle and come together on some reasonable, well - considered agreements involving all concerned parties. Again, local, county, state and federal levels need to sit down and sort it out. "

    That's not what Bundy wants. He believes that it's his entitled right to craze his cattle, for free, on any land that is owned by the Feds, State, or local governments. He's not seeking a solution, he wants free grazing.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:43 a.m.

    So, the system works; how well does it work when there is so much trouble or, in some cases, harm done ? As to land use, it is time to stop the power struggle and come together on some reasonable, well - considered agreements involving all concerned parties. Again, local, county, state and federal levels need to sit down and sort it out. Everybody could benefit.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    " America is acting like this dismissing charges against people accused of serious crimes because it values due process and the rights of its citizens."

    Not a Bundy fan. However, the prosecutors acted in bad faith. The case was thrown out-rightly so. However, this doesn't mean that Bundy is exonerated. He's still a welfare rancher that owes American taxpayers over 1 million in unpaid grazing fees.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:32 a.m.

    Using the same logic, I suppose Narcan proves that Heroin won't kill you?

    The Bundy case shows just how vigilant we must be about tyrannical government. We can thank God that the checks and balances our nation's founders incorporated into the constitution worked this time. They are clearly necessary.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:31 a.m.

    Great article. The Fed's handled this issue terribly from the seizing of the cattle to the court case. The Bundy's have handled their arguments with the federal government poorly. The Bundys need to be held accountable for breaking the laws of our country otherwise it encourages more anarchy.

  • Ladysmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:29 a.m.

    In 1992 Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi, and FBI sniper, shot and killed Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. That the time she was shot she was holding her 10-month old baby.

    On Sunday February 28, 1993, Mr. Horiuchi was in Waco, Texas when our Federal Government burned 76 Branch Davidian men, women, and children to death.

    I support our government but yes, they have been known to lie, steal and cheat just like the criminals they go after.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:21 a.m.

    In human history governments abusing their citizens is the norm, not the exception! I am happy that in America, an exceptional nation, the good guys can still win!

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:21 a.m.

    The Bundy's and their supporters deserved to spend a lot of time in prison for what they did both in Nevada and Oregon. The fact that they got off on a technicality doesnt change the facts of what they did.

    If prosecutors are guilty of what the judge says then THEY should be at least fired if not prosecuted.

  • Anonymous User ARLINGTON, VA
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:16 a.m.

    115 years?

    "To put things in context, it’s helpful to remember that in June 1913, Western governors met in Salt Lake City to send a message to the new administration of President Woodrow Wilson that the states, not the Department of Interior, ought to manage public lands.

    Here we are, 115 years later, and the arguments continue."

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Jan. 10, 2018 9:15 a.m.

    No - the irony is:

    a single
    unarmed
    non-threatening
    black man
    can get shot
    for doing absolutely nothing

    while --
    this large GROUP
    of heavily armed
    violence threatening
    White men
    walk free
    for staging an armed stand off with police.

    Bundy and his clan deserve to be in JAIL!