The current College Football Playoff system is a joke. Many of us would have
liked to have seen UCF in the playoff. It would not be that difficult to take
the top 16 teams. The first round would include 8 games, 2nd round 4 games, 3rd
round 2 games (semifinal), and the 4th round (final) game. It could be rotated
among the different bowls and they would probably attract more viewers if it was
considered a playoff game. You could have one of the lesser bowls such as the
Holiday or Citrus Bowl be included in the first round game. And instead of
having only 20-30,00 in attendance they would probably have 40-50,00 in
attendance and many more viewers since it would be a "playoff" game.
This is not rocket science. If college basketball can have a legitimate playoff
why can't college football do the same. It doesn't have to be 64 teams
but a 16-team playoff is certainly better than a 4 team playoff, which
let's be honest, is not really a legitimate playoff.
@2bcwins... no appearances in any CCGs... No appearances in the Rose Bowl"...Lets see if you will stand by what you say. With what you laid
out regarding UCF in this comment thread. You're admitting that the 08 Utah
football team should have been national champions, right?"***************Like utah's opponent this year (WVU), in 2008
utah played a weakened Alabama team (Their Outland Trophy winner did not play)
and utah won. Would they have won anyway? Who knows? I do believe however, if
the playoff system would have been in play in 2008 that utah should have been
invited (whether it was a 4 team playoff bracket or an 8 team playoff bracket
they should have been given a spot).
"The Big 10 was the best conference this year; look at the bowl records.
"The Big 10 didn't have enough bowl-eligible teams. That's
why Utah got their spot in the Heart of Dallas game.Is a conference
the best, if only a few are bowl eligible and those teams win?Or is a
conference the best most teams are bowl eligible, but few win?There
is an unfortunate view that a losing team "didn't deserve to be
Simple solution; 6 BCS conference champs get auto bids and 2 at large bids. One
from the best of the BCS left, and one to the best of the non BCS teams. The
system is not right as it sits. The Big 10 was the best conference this year;
look at the bowl records. However, they beat each other up and no one got in.
They system is pretty good; just needs to take one more step to making it a true
playoff. UCF is much like Utah in 2008. Were they the best team? Maybe, maybe
not. We will never know and it's a shame they never got the chance to play
Poor Utah and BYU get thrown around in the mess and will never win champioships.
@Deductive reasoningThe jealousy you have for big brother Utah is
absolutely hilarious. It shows in pretty much every post you make. @PoymanLets see if you will stand by what you say. With what you
laid out regarding UCF in this comment thread. You're admitting that the 08
Utah football team should have been national champions, right?
Loved the "old" Coaches and AP polls.The NCAA today, would
more respect if Vito Corleone were running it.
Cougsndawgs - "your argument breaks down is that UCF being unbeaten
isn't the point...it's that no G5 has a shot at the CFP, period.
Unbeaten or not."Under the current 4 team arrangement, yes, its nearly
impossible for a G5 to get in.Eight is a good number. Twice, Utah
reached #6 in the final BCS ranking, TCU got even higher. Its very possible for
a G5 to earn a spot in the playoffs. That is key -- a team should earn it.
I don’t have any doubt that this year‘s playoff identified the best
team in college football. But there is an inherent flaw in the system. There’s no power in a P5 conference if its championship game
doesn’t secure the winner a spot in the playoffs. It’s a farce.
And that farce has happened far too many times. A number of times another team
from the same conference has been selected for the playoff at the expense of the
conference champion. Twelve is the right number. All P5 champions,
the 3 highest ranked G5 champions and 4 at large selections. That many at
large births will encourage teams to play high profile 00C games to enhance the
resume knowing that a loss has no impact on their ability to win their
conference and a win gives them a leg up in the beauty pageant for at large
There should be a 16 team bracket. That would take four weeks to play,
eliminate all the idiot bowl games. The championship could be on New Years.It would be a cash cow for the NCAA just like March Madness is.
I'm a Georgia fan and I think UCF deserved a shot at the national
championship. Do I think they could have beaten OU and Bama in back to back
weeks? No I do not, but without question they earned the right to at least get a
wack at it.The solution isn't hard as Lonestar already pointed
out. To keep P5s happy and have their money (because that's not going
away, like it or not), every P5 champion gets in. The 6th invite goes to the
highest ranked G5 team (can be from any conference, not just the AAC). Then 2 at
large's to fill out the 8 team playoff. It's the right thing to do,
and the fair thing to do. Otherwise, stop with the pretense and just divide the
FBS already into separate divisions because, in reality, they already are
separate and certainly not equal.SoonerUte:Your comments make
sense, and point to exactly what would happen if "unbeaten" were the
only criteria. I think where your argument breaks down is that UCF being
unbeaten isn't the point...it's that no G5 has a shot at the CFP,
period. Unbeaten or not.
re: poymanI agree with most of your thoughts and reasoning, but a
couple of things to consider-Alabama only has 1 loss this year, one
of only 2 P5 conference teams with only 1 (the other being Wisconsin), and
Alabama proved on the field the last 2 weeks they deserve to be declared the #1
team in the country at this time. Ohio St didn't deserve to be there ahead
of them when they had 2 losses (including a 30 point blowout to Iowa), and the
Pac-12 champ definitely didn't deserve to be included.The
system is still broken, and UCF and Wisconsin have more right than anyone to
complain about not being included. Under the current format, however, a non-P5
team will never be included (even if they're the only undefeated team left-
and I agree, a #6 ranking for them still is ridiculous). That bias is way too
obvious and isn't going to change anytime soon. I'd love to see a UCF
vs Alabama game now. UCF looked like the real deal in their bowl game. With the amount of money in play things aren't going to change anytime
soon- it just exemplifies part of what is wrong in this country when athletics
and entertainment are valued so highly that salaries are obscenely out of
Forget any "rankings". Opinions are not what wins championships. Each
D-1 conference champ should get the chance to play. They did their job and won
the conference; now they should get the chance to play for the title. This
eliminates opinion and playing a weak schedule. If you need to round out a
bracket - do it with byes and draw out of a hat who gets one or who has to play
@LonestarRunner - "The solution is simple - EVERY conference champion ranked
in the Top 12 in at least one poll (AP or Coaches), plus the next 2 to 3 highest
ranked teams to get to 8 playoff teams."@Jello is Good - "I
like it, however it would defiantly motivate BYU (and maybe ND unless they get
some consideration) back in a conference. "Notre Dame and BYU
and any other Independent could still make the playoff if they were ranked high
enough.LonestarRunner's solution would give value to winning a
conference championship and being highly ranked, while still giving
consideration to every highly ranked team, regardless of conference
affiliation.It also doesn't preclude a G5 conference champion
from pushing a P5 conference champion out of the playoff.I trust the
AP and Coaches poll voters much more than I trust the CFP selection committee,
which has already demonstrated their extreme bias toward the P5 Big Boys club
(and, no, Utah is NOT part of that club).
simpleton"That high school stadium is more profitable than your
archaic shell..."Yawn, it's still a high school-sized
stadium."The Utah Utes will be fine in any playoff format,
simply because they are already members of the fraternity."Don't kid yourself. The Utes aren't even capable of winning a
division title, let alone being a factor in a national playoff.
The current system is more of a monopoly than anything Rockefeller or Carnegie
came up with. Those two chaps of old gave away much of their fortunes before
they died. But the masters of the P5 leagues - they wouldn't even let an
unbeaten team in on their scheme.
@CGThat high school stadium is more profitable than your archaic
shell, held the olympic games, sells out every game, and it is the flagship
stadium in the State of Utah (see the olympics). The Utah Utes will
be fine in any playoff format, simply because they are already members of the
fraternity. While byu-p is not. 7 in a row and counting.
@LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UTJan. 9, 2018 11:23 p.m.The
solution is simple - EVERY conference champion ranked in the Top 12 in at least
one poll (AP or Coaches), plus the next 2 to 3 highest ranked teams to get to 8
playoff teams.Seeded according to rankings, except no first round
games between opponents from same conference.In 2017, seedings would
have looked like this:#1 Clemson - ACC Champ#10 UCF - AAC
Champ#4 Alabama - at large#5 Ohio St - B1G Champ#3
Georgia - SEC Champ#6 Wisconsin - at large#2 Oklahoma - Big 12
Champ#8 USC - PAC 12 Champ"-----------------------I
like it, however it would defiantly motivate BYU (and maybe ND unless they get
some consideration) back in a conference. Under your plan it gives G5's
and the PAC a chance to get in the playoffs.
Fact is that the system IS better than it was when it was just the opinion of
the coaches or the writers. And having the argument about who is #4 vs #5 is
better than it was between #2 and #3. It will be even better when the
argument is between #8 and #9.
Can someone please tell me if the FCS division can do a 24 team playoff and make
it work, why can't the FBS division? Does anyone really think
the elite players in the FBS are really concerned about missing a few extra days
of classes? I think not
ekute"Start by doing away with
out-of-conference(preseason/exhibition) games and then enlarge the playoff
field."Do so, and the Utes would constantly finish with losing,
bowl less seasons - Utah has a losing record versus PAC 12 teams since joining
the conference.It would also kill any plans for stadium expansion.
With only 11 regular season conference games each year, the Utes would only have
5 home games every other season - not enough to justify spending $50+ million to
expand their high-school sized stadium.
Start by doing away with out-of-conference(preseason/exhibition) games and then
enlarge the playoff field.
Why don't we recognize the top college conferences for what they are, farm
teams for the NFL. Calling football players at these schools students is wrong,
they are football players trying to get a big pro contract. The major goal of
the top programs is keeping the eligible until they have used up their
There should be a minimum of an 8 team playoff (A Champion from each of the P5
Conferences, The Highest Rated G-5 School (based on record and strength of
schedule) and a four team play in (for the remaining 2 spots) from the next two
highest ranked P5 schools against the next two highest ranked G-5 schools. This
would give the P5 a potential of 7 spots in the 8 team playoff and the G5
schools a potential for as many as 3 spots in the 8 team playoff. It would take
a total of 4 weeks to complete with a lot of rest for players and coaches during
that period. Today it takes 5 to 6 weeks to complete the playoffs.This year was a travesty and it is clear that the controlling body of the NCAA
has little to no control of the P5 members. The Courts need to get involved and
if they can't or won't then Congress needs to... It is clearly an
anti-trust situation which would not be tolerated in any other Business arena.
Sanefan hit this one right on the head... This playoff system stinks. It's
no better than the system before this one and the system before that... Truth is
that we are back to the beauty contests that everyone hated only now there is
huge dollars being given to the recipient of the Beauty Contest and that Contest
is judged by the favorite sons and daughters of the Gentlemen's P5
Clubs.This year the Beauty Contest Winner was Alabama (a team with
two losses that didn't even win their own P5 Conference Division
(technically they finished 3rd in the SEC behind Auburn and Georgia)... Auburn
beat Alabama by nearly 2 TDs and they beat the Conference Winner (Georgia by
better than 3 TDs) while UCF beat Auburn by a TD to be the only undefeated FBS
team in America.And then, to rub salt in this ridiculous arbitrary
decision, UCF finishes #6 behind all of the playoff participants and Ohio
State... Wisconsin (who also had one loss in the Big 10 CCG by 6 points) dropped
a spot in the rankings despite winning their Bowl game against Miami.This is crazy and financially harmful to successful schools who spend a lot of
money on their FB Programs.
Eight is enough.
The solution is simple - EVERY conference champion ranked in the Top 12 in at
least one poll (AP or Coaches), plus the next 2 to 3 highest ranked teams to get
to 8 playoff teams.Seeded according to rankings, except no first
round games between opponents from same conference.In 2017, seedings
would have looked like this:#1 Clemson - ACC Champ#10 UCF -
AAC Champ#4 Alabama - at large#5 Ohio St - B1G Champ#3 Georgia - SEC Champ#6 Wisconsin - at large#2 Oklahoma -
Big 12 Champ#8 USC - PAC 12 Champ
The solution is for Congress to address the issue------right after they do a
balanced budget, illegal immigration, education reform, energy independence,
health care that actually works, foreign aid, caring for veterans, eliminate
political grandstanding for "the party," etc------oh well, not in the
lifetime of my 1-year old grandson---if he lives to be 95.
There should be a level playing field for all college football teams .....
Eight teams, please.
The current system is no less a scam than it's predecessor the BCS. UCF is
as much the NC as Alabama. After all they went undefeated and beat the ONLY
team to beat both Alabama and Georgia. National Champions in College Football
for 2017 season is UCF.
If the criteria for making the playoffs is "go unbeaten and you're
in", then schools will dumb down their schedule. Florida State-Alabama,
Nebraska-Oregon, Michigan-Florida, Oklahoma-Ohio State? All those
non-conference games go out the window.BYU would suffer greatly, no
longer able to schedule games with Wisconsin, Mississippi State, Tennessee, and
all the PAC12 schools. Why? Because such games would be risky to the Unbeaten
Golden Ticket.Instead, the Fall would be filled with Division 1
schools padding their record by trouncing Division 2 and 3 schools on national
TV. Exciting!Be careful what you wish for, because you think the
consensus #10 team "should have been there" instead of Alabama.