BYU learns important lessons in overtime setback to Saint Mary's

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  • oddman ,
    Jan. 3, 2018 8:24 a.m.

    re:good for good Couldn't have said it better. Sports isn't about perfection, it's about trying to better your game every time you step onto the floor. I, hated to lose in the way we did, but have to say that for two hours I was rewarded by being able to see the Cougs play their hearts out. Seljaas has lost a little confidence and probably shouldn't have been the guy to take the final 'do or die' shot, at least not until he regains his confidence. In baseball it's called a slump and every one has them. Right now it's Haws and Seljaas. I enjoy every game and can't put this loss on any one player. They seemed to run out of gas and confidence.

  • V.A from Texas denton, TX
    Jan. 2, 2018 4:47 p.m.

    Why is Child shooting fade aways when their Aussie center has 4 fouls in the last 10 min of reg and OT? That is a coaching flaw to not wake him up to that fact

  • HoboA1 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 4:24 p.m.

    I think the lesson is this: BYU does enough to lure your attention, then they lose when it matters the most. It never fails.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 2, 2018 4:08 p.m.

    Remember the last play at Umass? I know you have to have more than one play to close out a game, but drawing in all those big bodies and letting Yolie finish it off might have been a better choice. Stay with what works.

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    Jan. 2, 2018 3:39 p.m.

    I know, it's much easier to be Sunday morning couch critique than a real coach; but I have no idea why Hardnett and Dastrup were on the bench and Seljaas and Cannon were on the floor the last minute, and especially the final play.

    I'll take my chances with Hardnett bringing down the ball and kicking it out to Eli for the long ball or Childs underneath.

    The score was tied, we didn't need a 3. If Eli is bringing it down, push for a layup and maybe get a foul.

    I really like Seljaas' game, but he hasn't been great from behind the arc this year. No way I'm trusting or putting the pressure on him to take the game winning / losing shot.

    Cougs were one play away from a resume victory.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 2:19 p.m.

    I agree with others here that it looks like Dastrup should get more minutes. He does well when he's in there, a big improvement over last year, and he'll most likely only get better with more PT.

    Another change I'd like to see is for Elijah to get some rest. The last couple of games he's played every minute. I see a couple of issues with doing this. First, he's had problems with injuries so playing him every minute can't be good for his body. And second, by watching from the bench for several minutes he'll get a different perspective on what's happening out on the floor and not only come back in with fresh legs but also be able to tweak some of his moves/plays against a given opponent to be even more successful.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    I think we all need to remember that this is a very young team playing against seasoned St. Mary's team that recruits overseas and starts 4 seniors.

    If the Cougars can hold it together this year I see great improvement the next two years when these guys grow up a bit and get some more experience under their belts. I wish they could get another dynamic big to clog up the middle.

    St. Mary's loses their 4 top players to graduation next year so BYU has a good chance to gain some ground. Gonzaga is another story altogether. They just seem to reload every year, also recruiting overseas.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 2, 2018 11:59 a.m.

    I wonder if Coach Shroyer has any say on who's on the floor at any given time. Overall, I like this team. They will get better. They might lose a game they have no business losing, but that's sports. They also might win one when they are the underdog. If they had one less turnover, one more made foul shot, they probably win that game last Saturday. So losing the way they did, might be a blessing in disguise down the road. That lose should be a learning experience for games yet to come.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Jan. 2, 2018 10:58 a.m.

    Find the right mix at the right time is key. Seems like playing Payton D. More is a must.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Jan. 2, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    We fans, by definition don't know much. We're not in practice. We only know what we read. That being said, I've learned a little by watching BYU hoops for 60 years. BYU has a run and gun tradition. When they have a good team, they win.

    This team is the direct result of the acquisition of Heath Stroyer (sp?). Coach Rose wanted to change the direction of the team. It is also a coming together of a bunch of new, young, guys. St Mary's has been playing together for 4 years. They are very very good. Does BYU even have a Junior on this team?

    This game against St Mary's is very very encouraging. As the players develop, they could be very tough at tournament time. Nobody predicted that they would be 11-3 by this time of the year. Lets just see what they can do, and enjoy the journey.

  • payara OREM, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 10:10 a.m.

    BYU had the last shot to win it. It looked to me that Bryant had the shot but chose to kick out to and open Seljaas, more then likely a coaching call. Love our team, Eil and Childs are stars, Haws seriously needs to hit the weights in the off season, there is only so much you can do with that frial body. Dastrup needs to eat up more of Seljaas minutes better stats. all around. Dastrup, Childs combo would be good for long periods, make teams play big man ball for a chang.

    The single biggest change I see this year is the hire of Heath Shroyer and his determination to play defense, a swear word to Rose for a number of years now. Shroyer gives us a chance to play in the dance. The Utah win is looking better all the time.

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    Jan. 2, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    I agree with the title of this article - important lessons were indeed learned from this game. It was winnable - but the young Cougs let it slip away to the more experienced Gaels, who are actually the Australian national team - or a good segment of them - in St. Mary's unis. The guys will take note from this loss and hopefully play a little smarter in crunch time down the road.

    I agree with Gruncle Ralph and others - Dastrup deserves more minutes....and also that Zeljaas shouldn't be guarding big men. I disagree about Hardnett - I generally like his ball handling, quickness and defense - although he did have some silly turnovers on Saturday, i.e. stepping out of bounds while holding the ball and driving into traffic as others have already mentioned.

    The talent is there for the Cougs. I don't foresee many, if any, of those annoying & embarrassing losses to weaker teams this winter as they did last year. Now it's time for them to learn to work even better as a unit and outfox their tougher opponents in close games such as this one last Saturday.

    Go Cougars!

  • Gone for good Burley, ID
    Jan. 2, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    So tell me how they have a clue. Are they friends of Coach Rose? Are they on the coaching staff or know someone on staff? Do they attend team meetings? False news from other posters does not make you an expert. If you have nothing to back up what you are saying, I can only assume that it is your opinion only and deductive reasoning would lead to the fact that someone hasn't a clue. If you tell me I'm wrong I'll be glad to admit it if you give me some facts

  • Originalflyinhawaiian Yakima, WA
    Jan. 2, 2018 9:15 a.m.

    "They aren’t perfect and apparently the fans are not either. I often grow tired of so many negative posts from fans who think they are experts but have not clue one about what is going on." Gone for good - Burley, ID

    I love it when people with no clue tell people they have no clue

  • Gone for good Burley, ID
    Jan. 2, 2018 8:48 a.m.

    This is a young team and they sometimes make mistakes a veteran player would not. It is not an excuse it is a fact about this team. Why do fans constantly seek to destroy Coach Rose. Many teams would have wanted to recruit the lone peak 3. Most of the problem lies with the fans. They expected them to be the saviors of BYU basketball. Coach Rose never promised that, the fans did. Get over it. It didn’t work out. Quit blaming Coach Rose for the twist and turns in young men’s lives. They aren’t perfect and apparently the fans are not either. I often grow tired of so many negative posts from fans who think they are experts but have not clue one about what is going on. I am just happy that I am a BYU fan and weekly I get to see fine young men competing for my team.

  • BullsEye Washington, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 8:05 a.m.

    Having a young team and no Seniors is not a excuse it’s Coach Roses fault. He kind of shot himself in the foot by signing the Lonepeak 3 because this was going to be our glory years where we should be in contention for national championships. It was poor judgement on his part and he needs to stop putting the blame on a young team.... He was out coached again Sat. as he is a lot of nights. I like Dave but hes not helping the program anymore with his 20 win seasons and trips to the NIT

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Jan. 2, 2018 7:37 a.m.

    Essentially a new team and young. Sometimes reverting to form. I really like the direction this team is taking on offense and defense.
    But, fairly late in the 2nd half, BYU is up by 7 and had the ball. Hardnett then inexplicably drives into a crowed lane and turns the ball over. Beginning of the end.
    Although I like the new deliberate, patient half court offense it sometimes seems a little too hesitant and passive.
    Not doubling Landale when he was hitting nearly 100% of his shots?
    Seljass has yet to impress this year. His play does not seem to justify his minutes. Would like to see Dastrup get more than 11 minutes.
    Would like to see Haws take more of his mid-range jump shots. Don't mind him passing on some 3pt opportunities, but could be more aggressive on the mid-range. Would like to see Childs take fewer fade-aways.
    But. . . I am very optimistic about the future. This is still a work in progress and the progress so far has been amazing. As good as BYU has been so far, they still have an amazing upside which, i hope, will be there by seasons end.

  • Sinew South Centennial, CO
    Jan. 2, 2018 7:30 a.m.

    I agree with Gruncle. With the caveat that I don't know all the nuances of college basketball, I think Dastrup needs more minutes and the Cougs need Dastrup to get more minutes. He has energy and confidence that most of the other players lack. I'm trying to see what Hardnett provides other than quickness. He doesn't seem to play tough defense, is a liability when he shoots, and has the body language of someone who feels entitled. I think Cannon is a much bigger asset in that he plays very hard on both ends and is a threat from 3 point range.

    It was very encouraging that they could go toe to toe with the unanimous preseason favorite (and had a chance to win at the end of regulation). It gives me some hope that they can challenge for the regular season title and possibly the tournament championship.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2018 1:55 a.m.

    Coaches were really slow to react when certain lineups weren’t working late in the 2nd half and failed to recognize what lineups worked the best in the first half when BYU went on a 12-0 run and built a small lead at 29-21 late in the half.

    Dastrup played a key role in that 12-0 run and had a couple of blocked shots to go with an assist and several defensive rebounds. Despite only playing 11 mins overall Dastrup was the only Cougar to finish in the positive with +/- for the game (he was a +5).

    It certainly looked like BYU’s best lineup in that game was with Dastrup guarding Landale in the post and Childs guarding Hermanson or Krebs on the perimeter (he was very bothersome with his long arms) along with Cannon in the game.

    Trying to play Seljaas as the stretch 4 was a disaster much of the game (he had the 2nd worst +/- for BYU at -13) and he, along with Hardnett, really struggled defending the PNR late in the 2nd half allowing SMC to hit a couple of 3’s and score a 2 pt jumper when they erased BYU’s 6 pt lead. Why Dastrup wasn’t in the game late is a head scratcher.