As more more state offer either medical and or recreational cannabis the black
market will continue to shrink, however I don't think it will ever go away
completely. The profit margins for them will drop and many would prefer to get
safe tested and regulated cannabis rather than unregulated untested ditch weed.
Organized crime has already recognised that the black market is contracting and
has shifted to other drugs as their profit stream. How Jeff Sessions came up
with the idea that medical cannabis is a cover illegal black market sales just
shows his complete lack of any comprehension of the market and the tracking
safeguards built into the medical cannabis sales. Talk to actual patients who
are real legitimate need. These are not stoner pot heads looking for any excuse
to get high. These are real people in real need. The citizens of Utah get it.
Our elected officials however do not seem to get it thus the ballot initiative
came about. No doubt in the upcoming 2018 session our elected officials will
offer some smoke screen token bills as a counter to the BI. It will be
interesting to see if any real offers are made and not a trojan horse.
I was born and raised in Utah and obtained my BS in Botany from Weber State. I
recently lived in Oregon for two years and worked as a cannabis grower. As far
as the job, it is no different from any other horticulture position. Soil,
water, plants, nutrients, bugs, plant issues, etc. Recreational cannabis
generated $85 million in taxes that were distributed to the common school fund,
mental health and drug abuse services, police, and to pay back the state for
everything involved in cannabis legalization. The industry attracts many
educated people and requires that no felons may work within it. Every gram that
is grown is tracked from beginning to end. With the OLCC, Oregon's cannabis
black market is being obliterated. Regardless of what you may feel about
cannabis, people are going to continue to use it because adults have that
choice. It is far better to create jobs and generate taxes rather than creating
felons for a victimless crime. Almost 120,000 people are employed in
medical/recreational cannabis in the US already. Opioid deaths in legal cannabis
states have dropped by 25% and there has been a decrease in youth using
cannabis. The answer is obvious. Legalize and regulate.
BrentBot I think the information you posted is so incredibly important. We know
the brain is developing until age 25 or so, and drugs including Cannabis and
alcohol are easily available in any high school. Proper education to our youth
beyond abstinence is critical. Having said that, how would a overly
cautious, very slow approach to Medical Cannabis, as the Deseret News believes,
help with the youth drug problem?
A study from New Zealand conducted in part by researchers at Duke University
showed that people who started smoking marijuana heavily in their teens and had
an ongoing marijuana use disorder lost an average of 8 IQ points between ages 13
and 38. The lost mental abilities didn't fully return in those who quit
marijuana as adults. NIH Website
The comments are comical. "Pill form"? So, pills like Prozac are
okay? Laughable. Utah is okay with something as long as it can quietly sit in
our medicine cabinet, with approval from our neighbor/doctor."More
research" and "FDA approval". Again, comical- the FDA approved
Fen-phen, Vioxx, Qaaludes and Thalidomide. We know how safe THOSE were,
thousands died; but pot hasnt killed ANYone. 6000 years of human use but Utah
wants more research. To get close to toxic, you must ingest 150 pounds in 15
minutes. Hardly possible.The ballot initiative doesnt allow smoking,
requires doctor supervision, and limits the number of dispensaries to one for
every 150,000 population.Allow research along with doctor-regulated use.
Stop with the Nancy Reagan hysteria.
It is interesting that the opponents point more research is needed. 6000 years
of use and not one overdose death from use is apparently not sufficient evidence
of safety. With the raising issues opiate overdose deaths and so many other drug
issues what will doctors be left to use to treat patients? The proposed ballot
initiative is the most conservative program proposed in the United States. The
initiative is not the hood wink program that California has had in place. There
are specific medical conditions that are specified and specific limits on use.
No reasonable person is opposed to more research. For those that want to wait
for more research before using then wait. There are other patients that are
dying waiting for more research. Let those that are in dire need have the option
to use instead of having to die while waiting for the federal government to
decide that cannabis is safe to reschedule and allow for federal research to
begin. Cannabis as a schedule 1 drug has been a farce. No one has ever died from
using cannabis. The same can not be said of aspirin. 6000 years of safe use has
more history than any FDA medication. For those that need it though it is a life
Fear, uncertainty and doubt. These are the things we care about.
"Based on these extensive scientific and educational experiences I assure
you this is a very scary drug with many potential side effects that are very
concerning especially in adolescents who are by far the most likely population
to use this drug whether legal or illegal (see the NIDA.gov website for
scientific details)."Room 105# I am very very interested in
reading the data to support your statement.
Lots of plants, some poisonous, produce chemicals that prove to be effective in
medicine. Asapirin, for example, is derived from willow trees.What
people don't realize that many medicines are DERIVED from plants - plants
have evolved to generate lost of chemicals useful for defense against grazing,
disease, etc.Medical research based on Marijuana doesn't mean
somebody would be smoking it. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), gives us a bang if we
smoke it, but medical research would use THC as a starting point for other
drugs, derived from or synthesized with THC. Other compounds exist in Cannabis
that may prove to be beneficial.Medical research is done in a lab;
people aren't dosed directly with willow for example, we make aspirin from
it. Research leads to related products by testing compounds derived from natural
plant chemistry. Medical research on Cannabis is perfectly legitimate, but since
most politicians and the public in general is ignorant of the scientific method,
stupid laws limiting or forbidding scientific investigation in many areas are
common in America.This is a stupid law. Let's grow up, Utah.
We've been cautious for many decades about moving forward on medical
marijuana. The time to move forward is now.
Medical Pot is a ruse. My daughter who is in the medical profession in CA says
ANYONE can get a card for just about anything. These "clinics" even
have their own "docs." Approve medical pot in Utah and you might as well
legalize the crap, because its all the same thing.
I agree with the reasonable and cautious position of the Deseret News. I have
done NIH -supported research for ~30 years in the neurobiology of addiction and
related substances like THC, and have lectured on these topics to medical,
pharmacy and dental students and professionals at Universities and national
scientific conferences. I also directed cannabinoid research and education at
the National Institute on Drug abuse and Utah Addiction Center for 17 years.
Based on these extensive scientific and educational experiences I assure you
this is a very scary drug with many potential side effects that are very
concerning especially in adolescents who are by far the most likely population
to use this drug whether legal or illegal (see the NIDA.gov website for
scientific details). Please be cautious establishing medical/recreational
marijuana policies. Remember our history with tobacco-a substance with startling
similarities to marijuana; once you let the marijuana genie out of its legal
bottle, you will never be able to put it back. Just ask the many millions of
fatal victims of regular tobacco use how cautious we should be as we seem to be
so eager to curtail our control of marijuana.
Since when is "conducting research" part of the legislative process in
Utah? No research seems to have been required to prohibit cannabis in the first
place, or mandate that restaurants build a wall in front of drink preparation
areas. The very idea of making a plant illegal is absurd. Lawmaking in
Utah is based on hunches and emotion.
According to an NIH article from April of 2017: "Scientific
study of the chemicals in marijuana, called cannabinoids (two forms - THC and
CBD), has led to two FDA-approved medications that contain cannabinoid chemicals
in pill form. Continued research may lead to more medications."It is also proven that THC (pill form) improves appetites of Chemotherapy
patients and CBD (pill and oil form) help to relieve epileptic seizures.
Drugs that are prescribed in this country go through years of testing and
research. Why should that be any different for this drug? Just follow the same
laws we do for all prescription drugs.And the FDA does not allow the
research from other countries. We do our own research. You can argue whether
that is right or wrong but we should not change our protocol for this one drug.
Tell me which current drugs/antibiotics/vaccines “treat or even cure
serious diseases”? Our medical treatments here in the US are highly
ineffective and most cause more harm than good. Yet if you go to doctors here
you have no other options. The FDA cracking down on homeopathic medicine and
other helpful vitamins, herbs, marijuana, etc? What a joke. Those things
actually do work, and then we never have to take our kids in for antibiotics for
earaches, which the ENT specialists freely admit isn’t effective.
Children don’t need numerous shots, antibiotics, vaccines, and Tylenol.
What they do need is fresh air, clean water, food without sugars and coloring,
and healthy outdoor time.
"Proponents want to ignore data points out there like evidence of lower IQ,
increased risk of psychosis, and a 9% or so addiction rate. Society needs to
know the risk vs benefits. "I have read studies from countries
where studies are legal that do not support "evidence of lower IQ", from
my investigations into this subject there COULD BE a risk of increased psychosis
in a very very small group of people and I agree I have read multiple reports
that the addiction rate could be as high as 9%. Lets put that addiction rate
into context. There is no physical addiction and psychological addiction is
similar to small doses of caffeine. There are zero deaths associated with
ingesting Cannabis.Society already accepts the risks of the current
FDA drug approval process where new information comes forward years after a drug
is approved. For example, opioid drugs. Society accepts the risk of 2 drugs,
alcohol and tobacco, that don't benefit a person health wise for the most
part. To deny patients a substance that studies prove and people
know will help them is cruel. Patients are only asking to take a personal risk
to help with their suffering.
It's interesting to see all the comments from those we know would never use
medical pot or approve of anyone doing so. Yet they are silent on, and use, all
kinds of wild sounding chemical compounds as the medications they are. Ask your
doctor if today's purple pill is right for you. People engage
marijuana for it's medical properties, but also because they enjoy it. Here
in Utah, we can't stand that.
Medical marijuana has been approved in at least 26 states, including
conservative states like Louisiana, North Dakota, and Arkansas. You don't
think medical marijuana has been evaluated enough scientifically for all those
red state voters to be comfortable in voting for it? It's such a
hysterical, tired argument you are presenting.
And the editorial board is correct
. Politicians are not experts in the
field of medicine
senators and representatives need to stay away from
trying to promote this! .Attorney General Jeff Sessions has studied this and
what he has found is not good! . He claimed that organized drug trafficking
groups were using the medical marijuana system in states that have legalized the
treatments to operate under the color of law! .I am sure that the good people
of Utah are not willing to allow organized drug trafficking groups to operate in
There a vast difference between legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes
and medical purposes. The first is simply personal preference while the second
requires verifiable hard data. At present, the evidence for cannabis as a
legitimate medication is primarily anecdotal. The FDA should approve legitimate
studies to answer the question and provide guidelines for indications, adverse
reactions and complications.
By the same logic, there is no justification for maintenance of criminal
penalties based historically on “anecdotal reports” rather than
science. This seems a case of guilty until proven innocent, when clearly there
is a substantial body of scientific evidence revealing clear medicinal benefits,
both internationally (Israel, Spain, and many others) and even US government
funded - including a patent by the US government for its medicinal properties.
Of course, one would expect this newspaper, being the mouthpiece of its owner,
to continue to fight the Utah Patients Coalition petition to put medical
marijuana on the ballot. This paper continues to trot out the same tired
arguments to arouse those who are all too willing to be told what to think, and
not do a modicum of research on their own. The allegation that their isn't
enough valid research is blatantly false. There has been abundant research done
in Canada and in Europe, and enough analysis of that research done by reputable
scientists in this country, for anyone but the laziest among us, to formulate an
intelligent opinion on the subject. This newspaper can publish its opinion, but
it does a disservice to the community it represents when its opinions serve only
to pander to the collective psychosis of that community. Opinion should be
supported by facts and logical argument. This opinion only serves to convince
the populace to remain happily in the darkness of illogical prejudice and
“Medical” marijuana millionaires should not lobby for sales tax
exemptions nor push For unproven benefits without first passing rigorous
scientific study. Even still most of the supply pot is not even of medical
quality as dosages are not consistent.
Mj is like a snake oil salesman. Everyone says it is great for everything. CBD
seems more promising with less chance of bad outcomes. We need more data. If
the state says it is "medical" before science gives us more information,
it could be damaging.Proponents want to ignore data points out there
like evidence of lower IQ, increased risk of psychosis, and a 9% or so addiction
rate. Society needs to know the risk vs benefits. Getting a medical card at a
concert mobile home doc like I've had someone tell me thats how they got
their card does not give me confidence that this move will benefit Utah. If
legitimate studies back up the claims, I say legalize it. Let it be data
We can harness CBD without any THC.
The last five murder casesIn Louisiana investigated by forensic psychiatry
have involved marijuana. For someone with depression, anxiety, or even
pain—the benefits at this point don’t measure up to the risks of
mental health consequences. Until we can avoid the thc and harness more of the
CBD activity of marijuana, which targets receptor systems our bodies were born
with, we are simply playing Russian roulette. And the data doesn’t lie,
people who use marijuana to cope are more likely to use other harmful substances
to cope. Having it available will give kids the idea they can use it to cope and
that it’s safe. Right now I think it’s not , in my opinion.