Letter: The 'Just Pass Something Tax Act'

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  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Dec. 29, 2017 10:28 a.m.

    @ patrioticAMERICAN

    "DEMS actually care about PEOPLE vs. rich corporations."

    I'm still trying to figure you folks out. I can't seem to wrap my head around your ideology. I mean, I perfectly understand that the liberal elite's strategy is to make things miserable for the masses to gain more control over them. What I don't understand is why the liberal masses want to be controlled.

    You promote this war against "rich corporations." You pit them against the "PEOPLE." Well, let's say your strategy works and the "PEOPLE" win their war against "rich corporations." What then? The "rich corporations" all fold and you've won your war. Who's now gonna give you a job? Where are you getting a paycheck from? It's been said before and I'll say it again, "a poor person never gave a job to anyone."

    But I'm sure Venezuela, NK, Iran and other places that fully control their people would love to accommodate you.

    "patrioticAMERICAN" Yeah, right.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    @LOU Montana - Pueblo, CO

    Don't blame me. I voted against Hillary ;)

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 4:38 p.m.

    I wasn't going to respond to people's comments on this letter but this is too much.

    @barfolomew: “Do you people even know why the middle class tax cuts are temporary? ... it was done through Reconciliation... Cong. rules dictated that certain provisions of the bill be temporary.”
    Cong. rules required that if the DEFICIT was going to go over a certain amt., they couldn't use Recon. They knew Dems weren't going to vote for the bill cuz DEMS actually care about PEOPLE vs. rich corporations. That's why ind. tax cuts are temporary & corp. aren't— they had to keep the def. from being so high that they'd have to work w/ the Dems (heaven forbid) to get enough votes. Research it instead of just taking Hannity's word for it. (Btw, I'm conservative, not liberal. I thought cons. cared about deficits?)

    @ J Thompson: “Those who disagree with the tax cut can continue to pay the higher rate.”
    Unless you're in top 10%, you'll be paying the higher rate soon enough yourself. I was fine w/what we were paying. No one's going to say no to less taxes, but if it comes w/exploding deficit, imploding economy, & gives more power to already too powerful mega corps/financial industry, then it's not worth it.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    Those who disagree with the tax cut can continue to pay the higher rate. They can protest by rejecting the lower tax brackets. They can stomp their feet and tell us that it is unfair. They can say anything that they want - as long as they pay the higher rate.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 3:21 p.m.

    We have needed an examination of our corporate tax rate for a long time. At this point, however, I wonder if this will bring US companies back home from their 'legal' corporate headquarters in nondescript buildings in Zurich? We'll see.
    In the meantime, this bill seems so haphazard and cobbled together it's hard to imagine it's been the raison d'etre of the republican party for decades. Kind of like their ACA replacement; it's been a while but they'll let us know if they come up with something.
    But they did something, I guess. It was enough to allow trump to claim he broke all kinds of records, which is odd because it's so easily verifiable otherwise.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Dec. 28, 2017 2:44 p.m.

    Kinda reminds you of the 'Just Pass Something Healthcare Act'. More the half the country didn't want it, and nobody agreed on what to put in it, so many many "buy my vote" exceptions and "
    "backdoor sweetheart deals" had to be made just to get it through. Also much of it had to be stalled and postponed until elections dates went by, so don't get all preachy about what's gone on with this tax legislation. You sure weren't running your mouth and being all sanctimonious back then.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 2:10 p.m.

    Wow! All the liberal/progressive commenters, as well as our letter writer, just can't stand it, can they? You people are in such a tizzy against Donald Trump that you'll fight against anything he does regardless of the truth. It's actually kind of comical.

    Our esteemed letter writer says,

    "And while the corporate tax rate cuts are permanent, the middle-class tax relief is temporary, with taxes scheduled to increase."

    Do you people even know why the middle class tax cuts are temporary? Due to the fact that not one Dem was going to vote for this, it was done through Reconciliation, requiring only 51 Senate votes. Congressional rules dictated that certain provisions of the bill be temporary. So, if the Dems cared at all about the American people, then they would have voted for the middle class tax package and passed it with 60 votes. Then, Reconciliation would not have been necessary, the American people would still have gotten their tax break - permanently - and they would have put themselves in a better position come November.

    Instead, they act out of pure hatred for Trump without regard for their constituents.

    And they think Americans won't remember this at the polls.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 2:00 p.m.

    I've already written several comments against the new tax scam bill, so I won't add to that for this particular letter.

    But I do want to to say kudos to D. Roberts for the catchy and much more appropriate relabeling of it. Thanks for the smiles!

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 11:37 a.m.

    And we still have sycophants who will pretend that this wasnt political payback. They will still insist that this is 'letting us keep our money' while ignoring that fact that the robber barons are about to crash our economy...again.

    Our political system is legalized bribery and nothing will change until that does. The middle class will continue to get the shaft and half of us will continue to thank the shafters.

    It seems as though the middle class (and poor) GOP voters all see themselves as 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires'.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 11:32 a.m.

    From business insider:

    ““My donors are basically saying, ‘Get it done or don’t ever call me again,'” Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) told The Hill on Tuesday when asked about the GOP’s tax reform package.””

    And we wonder why this tax bill benefits the rich and hurts everyone else? Paul Ryan and Mitch have both said that they intend to make cuts to food stamps, Medicare, and social security to pay for these tax cuts.

    How does that help the “Forgotten Man?”

    Trump is a loser

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    Wanted: assistance in setting myself up as a “pass through” company. Best Advise of the year: Don’t spend that tax refund just yet.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    Trump campaigned on reducing Corp. taxes drastically. Another promise kept. The individual tax cut is Temporary only because of Sen. rules. Not one democrat would vote to make them permanent .

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    Basic economics tells me that when times are good, you should have surplus.
    When times are bad, that's when you dip into savings, go into debt, spend to stimulate the economy, and wait out until things turn up.

    We seem to have thrown out basic economics just so Donald Trump can give himself a huge tax cut.

    How will the rest of us suffer because of the greed of the GOP?

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 9:00 a.m.

    This tax cut nonsense is even worse than you think.

    The deficits created weakens the United States's response to future economic crisis and foreign threats. When the next bubble bursts, our government will be inhibited in its response to stimulate the economy and limit the recession's effects. If natural disaster or foreign threats occur, the United States will be limited in its ability to deal with these issues because of the deficits created.

    Furthermore, the opportunity to invest in America's aging infrastructure, invest in education and technology, and strengthen social safety nets has been lost. We cannot "build the wall" or build anything while deficits are exploding due to tax cuts. Look at Kansas, where road projects were cancelled and school ended weeks early due to budget shortfalls because of tax cuts.

    Lastly, these tax cuts only benefit the super rich. The GOP has shown that it doesn't care how this bad legislation affects the 99 percent as long as the 1 percent continue to give them campaign bribes.

    Is that really the type of government we want?

    Get Educate

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    Remember how Donald campaigned on stickin it to the rich and empowering the forgotten man? And now that he’s been in office all he’s doing is enriching himself and his own class?

    Are all those poor factory and coal miners rich now?

    How’s the forgotten man? Does he feel empowered yet?

    Let’s just admit that Donald has failed the forgotten man... bigly. And if a forgotten man still supports trump then they’re completely ignorant fools.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Dec. 28, 2017 8:09 a.m.

    Copybook: Great stuff. Yuk, Yuk :-)

    Grab her by the what?

    Did he really tweet that?

    Who is going to fight that war?

    Where does he get his information?

    Wasn't he suppose to improve healthcare?

    Tax breaks for the rich, REALLY?

    No new taxes? (oops! Sorry that was Reagan's quote).

    Did he just endorse Roy Moore?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 28, 2017 7:05 a.m.

    Sadly, we must all agree with the LTE.

    In its efforts to get something done, the GOP passed and the president proudly signed a Frankenstein bill full of give-aways to the already wealthy (which included a big tax breaks for trump's friends to his private club in Florida).

    This law also shows that the president will make any promise to the American people that might gain their support, but that he really doesn't mean it. What happened to all of his tax legislation promises? Down the sewer of hypocrisy.

    Hope the trump supporters find some way to justify promises vs reality. But then again, trump support generally doesn't much care to self examine words vs deeds of the president.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 6:42 a.m.

    One irony is that the tax reform was supposed to simplify taxes. The first news report last night was about how residents in New Jersey are panicked about paying their property taxes early, and the panic is flooding tax advisor offices about "what to do?" With the limit of $10K on property tax deduction, residents in states with high property taxes now have to think if they should pre-pay those taxes to get the deducted before the law changes January 1st. There are all sorts of contingencies the law has about if this is a good idea or not -- the perfect headache for the holiday season!

    So I guess the tax reform is creating jobs already! Just what America needs -- more tax lawyers and accountants to sort it all out!

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 5:54 a.m.

    If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it. Period! Exclamation point! End of story!

    The average family of four will see there healthcare expenses decrease by 2500.00!

    Cornhusker kickback! Louisiana purchase!

    Harry Reid and the nuclear option.

    As if anyone on the left has room to criticize.

    1.5 trillion added to the deficit over ten years: "Doom and Gloom!"

    Nine trillion added in 8 years: "Oh look. A squirrel!"