@ 2 bits"They don't want the truth. "It is
easy to make statements about Mueller and the media not being seekers of truth.
But when Trump makes comments like "Obama was the founder of ISIS" and
"Obama wiretapped Trump Tower" ... when you are all on board with
whopping lies like that ... and when you hate the media for reporting those
comments ... you lose credibility. The media's job is to shine
a light in dark places. Mueller's job is to determine whether Trump engaged
in criminal activities. Your job is to impugn the integrity of Mueller and the
media. We get it.
As long as there's even a remote chance of this investigation "bearing
fruit" (the words used on "Meet the Press" recently)... it will
continue. Because a large part of the Media and our political-class would like
nothing more than to bring The President down, by any means possible. And this
is only the first attempt. There will be more. That's just the way
politics works in America today (and a BIG part of what's wrong with
American politics today IMO).They don't want the truth. They
just want enough innuendo to keep the media with something to talk about and
keep the President from being able to focus on his agenda.Coincidentally... the same thing the Russians want, and the North Koreans, and
the Iran, and ISIS, and Hamas. For America and our President to be weak, and
not popular, and for the masses to feel like the government is not supported by
the people.The media plays a big part in creating that impression.
So do Democrats.To be fair... so did Republicans when Obama was
President (the problem in American politics).It didn't start
with Trump that's for sure. But it is to a new level today.
So far, at least, Mueller isn’t claiming Trump is not a citizen of the
United States. Thorough investigations take time. Let it play out. That is,
if you’re interested in finding the truth.
If anyone wants to see how scary things are looking for our democracy right now,
watch the YouTube video from 12/18/17, where the Young Turks host, Cenk Uygur,
discusses how Fox News' Hannity (and guest Gov. Huckabee) are claiming the
FBI is planning a “coup” against Trump, how Pirro (also F.N.)
accused Comey & the FBI of forming an anti-trump “cabal” &
demanded they be “taken out in handcuffs”, & how Republican
Reps. Jim Jordan (OH) & Matt Gaetz (FL) are calling for investigation into
FBI, & railing against the rule of law. The video is titled “This is
How Fascism Begins”. In case you don't know what fascism is,
it's where people gather around one leader at the expense of the country
the leader is supposed to lead/protect. (Hint: Hitler, Mussolini, Franco). Since then the “witch hunt” rhetoric has only gotten louder
and stronger, much of it from Trump himself. WHY IS HE SO AFRAID? WHAT DOES HE
HAVE TO HIDE? People like D. Johnson might want to consider which
side of fascism they show themselves to be on when the crisis comes—and it
will! You all know Trump will not give up his power w/o a fight! As for Fox News
& our leaders--Americans, like elephants, can have long memories.
I saw this article late last night and was pleased to see that 19 comments by
reasonable, fair-minded people were posted before the tribalist rhetoric
started. Maybe it's just that the letter was a late-in-the day post, but
I'd like to think that perhaps people who care more about what's good
for America, for our democracy, and for our families, are starting to win out
over pure tribalism.High 5 to K. DeForrest for his opening comments
about Fox News and his recommendation to “please turn it off”. Made
me chuckle, and brightened my night.
I want to see Trump's tax returns. How about you?
So the new conservative standard is that anyone under investigation has the
right to view the investigators emails, texts, etc. for bias? And any evidence
should shut down the election? Every criminal would accuse the detectives or
whomever of being biased against them. Remember when Hillary was under FBI
investigation and Rudy and others came out and said that the FBI hated her and
were pro Trump. Funny that didn't seem to bug y'all.Oh,
and since conservatives have decided that activities by spouses are also
something to look into....Liberals have been saying for quite some time that
Clarence Thomas should recuse himself from many cases due to the active
involvement of his wife in conservative causes. I'm sure all the
conservatives here will agree he should remove his obviously biased self from
any questionable decision making.
@NoNamesAccepted - you asked some questions..."Were you
concerned about Obama not disclosing college records or quickly releasing his
original birth certificate when Hillary made that an issue? "As
already noted, it wasn't Hillary how made this an issue - and the man who
made these demands has don't likewise himself. No grades from Wharton to
back up his claims. No immigration papers from his now wife.... If your going
to demand something of others, you had better do likewise yourself."Have we ever before seen such rank partisan emails from special
prosecutor team members?"Yes, both during WaterGate and Iran
Contra. Also during the McCarthy era. Absolutely have seen this before.
Vietnam-era... absolutely. Not emails, but communications - yes."Did you voice this same position on HIllary's handling of classified
material, Benghazi, etc?"Yes I did. She should have know
better, particularly being a trained attorney. It was sloppy at best.I am really not sure what Hillary has to do with this. I didn't and
still don't support her nor her candidacy. Hillary is not justification
for anything Trump does himself.
@NoNamesAccepted I'm curious about your statement that it was Hillary
Clinton who made Obama's birth certificate "an issue." The claim
that it was Hillary Clinton was started by Donald Trump's campaign. Donald
Trump was the initiator and leader of the birther movement against Obama. Unless
you believe every fact checking organization to be unreliable, this has been
checked extensively. In today's "fake news" climate it is very
important to fact check.
@UtahBlueDevil: "Trump refuses to disclose his finances like every other
President has."JFK, Clintons, and even Rockefeller all disclosed
personal assets while keeping assets owned by trusts they controlled out of the
public eye. This means what was disclosed was a small fraction of what they
actually controlled. Trump varies by degrees, not materially in this regard.Were you concerned about Obama not disclosing college records or quickly
releasing his original birth certificate when Hillary made that an issue? There
is no legal/constitutional requirement for candidates to disclose personal
financial information. There is a constitutional requirement for the POTUS to
be a natural born citizen."Never has a president ...ever accused
out nations law enforcement and justice system of being corrupt"Have we ever before seen such rank partisan emails from special prosecutor
team members?"If Trump has nothing to hide, he should welcome
the investigation which would exonerate him."Did you voice this
same position on HIllary's handling of classified material, Benghazi,
etc?As I posted, I favor the investigation. I also favor
intellectual honesty from both sides.
Trump refuses to disclose his finances like every other President has. He has
also been caught in lies about who contact whom during the campaign. It's
not proof of anything other than Trump is trying to hide something. Will we
ever find out? Maybe not. But to pretend nothing is there... that is just
silly.The label "witch hunt" should be used for those in the
administration, in congress and in the media who claim the dishonest group is
law enforcement. Saying the FBI is corrupt.... shameful and very
anti-patriotic. Saying the Justice Department is corrupt.... equally wrong.
Never has a president - even a big government critic like Reagan, ever accused
out nations law enforcement and justice system of being corrupt to cover up what
ever. Even Nixon and the Republicans of the day were not this
crass. If Trump has nothing to hide, he should welcome the investigation which
would exonerate him.
As a long-time, card carrying conservative Republican who voted for Trump in the
general election (but not in the Primary) let me be among those who believes the
investigation needs to continue.I want to know whether our
President--or those he trusts to advise him--colluded with or were duped by the
Russians in some way.I want the results of the investigation to be
unsullied by partisan politics. So I expect Mueller to clean house of those too
stupid or arrogant to keep any personal or partisan views fully in check. On
both sides. If Trump or his team were "negligent" I don't want that
being watered down by some partisan hack to the non-actionable, "extremely
careless".So let me be very clear that I am sickened by the rank
hypocrisy shown by those on both sides here.Those who rightly
demanded Hillary be investigated now want to prematurely end this
investigation.And those who spent years attacking investigations of
Hillary, Bill, or any suggestion that Obama might just release his college
transcripts and original birth certificate now crow about how the innocent have
nothing to hide.Do you not remember your own words from just two
years ago? No integrity.
Mueller was charged by the Justice department to "ensure a full and thorough
investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016
presidential election". This is important to all of us and this work needs
to continue. If his investigation keeps pulling threads that lead to the
trump campaign, those need to be investigated. Trumps' efforts and those of
state tv to discredit the investigation and investigators are telling and more
than a little questionable. He's nothing to hide; let the investigation
It is my belief that the Special Counsel will find SOMETHING against Trump. I
say this based upon the ability for the SC to go anywhere the evidence leads.
As human beings, we are susceptible to mistakes and errors such things will be
uncovered. And it may have nothing at all pertaining to Russia.As
far as Russian involvement in our election, what is the difference between that
and Obama trying to influence the Brexit election last year or the Israel
elections a couple of years ago? I am not aware of any evidence showing that
votes were changed or fraudulent due to the Russians, only that there is concern
about their propaganda. Please enlighten me.As to bias in the
investigation, while we all have our own bias and pre-dispositions, they must be
tempered when conducting investigations. It is somewhat troubling, that a
senior individual (whose fingerprints are all over the Trump investigation and
who helped write the Clinton Decision (2 month PRIOR to her being interviewed))
was married to a recipient of a huge donation from the Clinton Foundation. This
is a huge conflict of interest. Also, the individual, whose texts to his
mistress about Trump, is also compromised.
Donald, it's obvious that you are getting your information from Fox News.
Please turn it off. It isn't news, and it isn't true. It's the
equivalent of government-run media in most dictatorships. Remember Pravda? Fox
is an embarrassment to the entertainment industry, not the news industry. It has
nothing to do with the new industry, which happens to be doing a pretty good
job, despite all the "fake news" deflections. Even the Deseret News is
trying to be objective in this crazy country. Personally, I'm a
Democrat. Mueller is a Republican, as are most of the FBI brass Fox News is
criticizing. But I trust the FBI. I trust Mueller to be professional and to find
crime where it is hiding. I'm pretty sure he's going to unload a
truckload of unimpeachable evidence that will shed light on just how corrupt
this administration is. We knew who Trump was before he was elected. His
business shenanigans and sexual misconduct were never in question. Just look at
all the statements made about Trump by his Republican co-contestants in the GOP
beauty contest last year. They spelled out in clear detail exactly who Trump is.
Why is everyone trying to deny it now?
Letters like this one are published to bring about intelligent responses...And the responses are the only intelligence associated with it.
Patience.Mueller is amassing such a boatload of indictable charges that
trump won't be able to tweet them away, or define each one as
It behooves the writer to accurately describe the probe's findings to this
point. There hasn't been " one conviction" over things that
"happened years before." There have been four indictments resulting in 2
guilty pleas. The latter result directly from lying to FBI officials about
contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians. Facts matter.
Details matter. If you do not have an accurate understanding of what Mueller
has uncovered, how are you in a position to declare him irredeemably
compromised? More importantly, why is there a consistent pattern of
lying by campaign members whenever the subject of Russian interference comes up?
I want to know. The Russian government carried out a brazen
intelligence operation in the 2016 election. As an American citizen, I want
that investigated to the fullest extent possible so that 1) we can protect
ourselves in the future, and 2) we know to what extent Americans may have
assisted them.As for the allegedly unrelated charges against
Manafort and Gates, it's helpful to review how Ken Starr went from an
obscure Arkansas real estate deal to charging Clinton with perjury related to
his affair. That's a pretty broad mandate.
When Comey got the boot and Mueller replaced him, the pro Trump crowd was
pleased.When Mueller showed he would conduct a thorough
investigation, the Trump crowd was displeased.Here's how to
please the Trump crowd: End all investigations immediately.
If I was innocent -- I would DEMAND a fully and open investigation.I
would do everything I could to restore integrity and clear my good name.I
do anything for the sacred office I was entrusted.I would establish
dignity, honor and respect for the Presidency of the United States.I would
put my country and the Constitution ahead of all else.I would spend every
waking hour creating trust to ALL the People of this land.If I was
guilty -- I would act just like Donald J. Trump
What is the fear if innocent? Does Mr Johnson have some secret inside to the
investigations or does he think not coming forward upfront is regular order? It
is a cowardly liar that fears the light of day.
Mr. Johnson didn't pay very close attention to the commission of Mr.
Mueller.Special Councils have the authority to start one place and
go wherever they find crimes.How do you get from Whitewater to
"Perhaps the editorial board has not been watching how American justice
works."American justice should not be hijacked by those fearful
of losing power and money. Trump believes he is above all consequences and Mr.
Johnson believes it too. In the end, the letter writer would be
delighted if Trump replaced the FBI and hired his own private security army much
like Putin does. Putin would have jailed Robert Mueller a long time ago. Fox
News advocates this. "Lead him away in handcuffs!" It only
demonstrates what a perilous condition our democracy is in right now. Honor and
integrity are getting waxed. It's systemic of moral collapse by people on
Mr. Johnson, The Russian probe is an investigation, not a prosecution. Big
Donald - the findings of Mueller haven't even been published yet..... so
for anyone to say it has been "sloppy".... that is just more of the
FoxNews propoganda machine hard at work. Just as with Hillary - to make claims
one way or another is not only ill advised before it is published, but it shows
who ever is making the comments is acting very unprofessional as well.How about this, lets have all law enforcement who have a political leaning or
opinion step down from their jobs, because surely based on the FoxNews logic,
they can't do their job objectively despite their personal feelings. Find
me one Judge, Prosecutor, Investigator, or detective that doesn't have a
personal opinion on the person under suspicion. Good grief, the
logic is so simplistic and without basis, it is amazing Fox can keep feeding
this to people who lap it up in their partisan based frenzy of hate. The investigation isn't done... and there has been no report yet. There
is nothing yet to say is sloppy... you can't judge something that
doesn't exist yet.
Alan Dershowitz a liberal activist? Snicker...Isn’t it funny
that everyone the trumpers disagree with they immediately label liberal
activists? Even traditionally conservative people, like Charles Krauthammer,
david Brooks, George Will, Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake, John Kasich, and even the
dnews is accused daily for being “too liberal.”Rather
than trumpers attempt to converse using facts or logic, they immediately emulate
their despot apprentice, label someone a derogatory term, and try and shut them
up. They refuse to compromise or converse in a civil manner. This all is
predicted by those who have studied authoritarian regimes. For those interested
in some good reading, try “On Tyranny” or “Despot’s
Apprentice” by Brian Klaas. Douglas Johnson, in attacking the
integrity of this investigation without using any facts is just another lame
attempt by wannabe strongmen to exercise their authoritarian rule to overrule
our institutions that provide checks and balances. This has been done in Russia,
Turkey, and the Philippines. What trumpers want isn’t justice,
they want to shut down Mueller and justice to enact absolute rule. They must be
Mr. Mueller has not publicly released his findings and he won't until the
investigation is over. Those who want it shut down now simply don't want to
know the truth.
Are you kidding me? Mr. Johnson...You say there is no reason to
defend the Russian probe, and the Donald Trump is innocent?Innocent until proven guilty does not mean NO investigations.
If one goes through the messages sent between the two people, they'd find
not only messages criticizing Trump but also ones criticizing Bernie, Hillary,
Cruz, and others.The Trump administration is so busy trying to come
up with anything to deflect attention away from their own moral bankruptcy.