Letter: No reason to defend the Russia probe

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  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 29, 2017 4:30 p.m.

    @ 2 bits

    "They don't want the truth. "

    It is easy to make statements about Mueller and the media not being seekers of truth. But when Trump makes comments like "Obama was the founder of ISIS" and "Obama wiretapped Trump Tower" ... when you are all on board with whopping lies like that ... and when you hate the media for reporting those comments ... you lose credibility.

    The media's job is to shine a light in dark places. Mueller's job is to determine whether Trump engaged in criminal activities. Your job is to impugn the integrity of Mueller and the media. We get it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 29, 2017 11:17 a.m.

    As long as there's even a remote chance of this investigation "bearing fruit" (the words used on "Meet the Press" recently)... it will continue. Because a large part of the Media and our political-class would like nothing more than to bring The President down, by any means possible. And this is only the first attempt. There will be more. That's just the way politics works in America today (and a BIG part of what's wrong with American politics today IMO).

    They don't want the truth. They just want enough innuendo to keep the media with something to talk about and keep the President from being able to focus on his agenda.

    Coincidentally... the same thing the Russians want, and the North Koreans, and the Iran, and ISIS, and Hamas. For America and our President to be weak, and not popular, and for the masses to feel like the government is not supported by the people.

    The media plays a big part in creating that impression. So do Democrats.

    To be fair... so did Republicans when Obama was President (the problem in American politics).

    It didn't start with Trump that's for sure. But it is to a new level today.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    Dec. 29, 2017 5:11 a.m.

    So far, at least, Mueller isn’t claiming Trump is not a citizen of the United States. Thorough investigations take time. Let it play out. That is, if you’re interested in finding the truth.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    If anyone wants to see how scary things are looking for our democracy right now, watch the YouTube video from 12/18/17, where the Young Turks host, Cenk Uygur, discusses how Fox News' Hannity (and guest Gov. Huckabee) are claiming the FBI is planning a “coup” against Trump, how Pirro (also F.N.) accused Comey & the FBI of forming an anti-trump “cabal” & demanded they be “taken out in handcuffs”, & how Republican Reps. Jim Jordan (OH) & Matt Gaetz (FL) are calling for investigation into FBI, & railing against the rule of law. The video is titled “This is How Fascism Begins”. In case you don't know what fascism is, it's where people gather around one leader at the expense of the country the leader is supposed to lead/protect. (Hint: Hitler, Mussolini, Franco).

    Since then the “witch hunt” rhetoric has only gotten louder and stronger, much of it from Trump himself. WHY IS HE SO AFRAID? WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO HIDE?

    People like D. Johnson might want to consider which side of fascism they show themselves to be on when the crisis comes—and it will! You all know Trump will not give up his power w/o a fight! As for Fox News & our leaders--Americans, like elephants, can have long memories.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    I saw this article late last night and was pleased to see that 19 comments by reasonable, fair-minded people were posted before the tribalist rhetoric started. Maybe it's just that the letter was a late-in-the day post, but I'd like to think that perhaps people who care more about what's good for America, for our democracy, and for our families, are starting to win out over pure tribalism.

    High 5 to K. DeForrest for his opening comments about Fox News and his recommendation to “please turn it off”. Made me chuckle, and brightened my night.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 10:00 a.m.

    I want to see Trump's tax returns. How about you?

  • Red Crane Layton/Davis, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    So the new conservative standard is that anyone under investigation has the right to view the investigators emails, texts, etc. for bias? And any evidence should shut down the election? Every criminal would accuse the detectives or whomever of being biased against them. Remember when Hillary was under FBI investigation and Rudy and others came out and said that the FBI hated her and were pro Trump. Funny that didn't seem to bug y'all.

    Oh, and since conservatives have decided that activities by spouses are also something to look into....Liberals have been saying for quite some time that Clarence Thomas should recuse himself from many cases due to the active involvement of his wife in conservative causes. I'm sure all the conservatives here will agree he should remove his obviously biased self from any questionable decision making.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 28, 2017 7:45 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted - you asked some questions...

    "Were you concerned about Obama not disclosing college records or quickly releasing his original birth certificate when Hillary made that an issue? "

    As already noted, it wasn't Hillary how made this an issue - and the man who made these demands has don't likewise himself. No grades from Wharton to back up his claims. No immigration papers from his now wife.... If your going to demand something of others, you had better do likewise yourself.

    "Have we ever before seen such rank partisan emails from special prosecutor team members?"

    Yes, both during WaterGate and Iran Contra. Also during the McCarthy era. Absolutely have seen this before. Vietnam-era... absolutely. Not emails, but communications - yes.

    "Did you voice this same position on HIllary's handling of classified material, Benghazi, etc?"

    Yes I did. She should have know better, particularly being a trained attorney. It was sloppy at best.

    I am really not sure what Hillary has to do with this. I didn't and still don't support her nor her candidacy. Hillary is not justification for anything Trump does himself.

  • kazie Heber City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2017 12:10 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted I'm curious about your statement that it was Hillary Clinton who made Obama's birth certificate "an issue." The claim that it was Hillary Clinton was started by Donald Trump's campaign. Donald Trump was the initiator and leader of the birther movement against Obama. Unless you believe every fact checking organization to be unreliable, this has been checked extensively. In today's "fake news" climate it is very important to fact check.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 10:23 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil: "Trump refuses to disclose his finances like every other President has."

    JFK, Clintons, and even Rockefeller all disclosed personal assets while keeping assets owned by trusts they controlled out of the public eye. This means what was disclosed was a small fraction of what they actually controlled. Trump varies by degrees, not materially in this regard.

    Were you concerned about Obama not disclosing college records or quickly releasing his original birth certificate when Hillary made that an issue? There is no legal/constitutional requirement for candidates to disclose personal financial information. There is a constitutional requirement for the POTUS to be a natural born citizen.

    "Never has a president ...ever accused out nations law enforcement and justice system of being corrupt"

    Have we ever before seen such rank partisan emails from special prosecutor team members?

    "If Trump has nothing to hide, he should welcome the investigation which would exonerate him."

    Did you voice this same position on HIllary's handling of classified material, Benghazi, etc?

    As I posted, I favor the investigation. I also favor intellectual honesty from both sides.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 27, 2017 8:47 p.m.

    Trump refuses to disclose his finances like every other President has. He has also been caught in lies about who contact whom during the campaign. It's not proof of anything other than Trump is trying to hide something. Will we ever find out? Maybe not. But to pretend nothing is there... that is just silly.

    The label "witch hunt" should be used for those in the administration, in congress and in the media who claim the dishonest group is law enforcement. Saying the FBI is corrupt.... shameful and very anti-patriotic. Saying the Justice Department is corrupt.... equally wrong. Never has a president - even a big government critic like Reagan, ever accused out nations law enforcement and justice system of being corrupt to cover up what ever.

    Even Nixon and the Republicans of the day were not this crass. If Trump has nothing to hide, he should welcome the investigation which would exonerate him.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 8:37 p.m.

    As a long-time, card carrying conservative Republican who voted for Trump in the general election (but not in the Primary) let me be among those who believes the investigation needs to continue.

    I want to know whether our President--or those he trusts to advise him--colluded with or were duped by the Russians in some way.

    I want the results of the investigation to be unsullied by partisan politics. So I expect Mueller to clean house of those too stupid or arrogant to keep any personal or partisan views fully in check. On both sides. If Trump or his team were "negligent" I don't want that being watered down by some partisan hack to the non-actionable, "extremely careless".

    So let me be very clear that I am sickened by the rank hypocrisy shown by those on both sides here.

    Those who rightly demanded Hillary be investigated now want to prematurely end this investigation.

    And those who spent years attacking investigations of Hillary, Bill, or any suggestion that Obama might just release his college transcripts and original birth certificate now crow about how the innocent have nothing to hide.

    Do you not remember your own words from just two years ago? No integrity.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 4:08 p.m.

    Mueller was charged by the Justice department to "ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election". This is important to all of us and this work needs to continue.
    If his investigation keeps pulling threads that lead to the trump campaign, those need to be investigated. Trumps' efforts and those of state tv to discredit the investigation and investigators are telling and more than a little questionable. He's nothing to hide; let the investigation continue.

  • Curmedgeon Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 12:04 p.m.

    It is my belief that the Special Counsel will find SOMETHING against Trump. I say this based upon the ability for the SC to go anywhere the evidence leads. As human beings, we are susceptible to mistakes and errors such things will be uncovered. And it may have nothing at all pertaining to Russia.

    As far as Russian involvement in our election, what is the difference between that and Obama trying to influence the Brexit election last year or the Israel elections a couple of years ago? I am not aware of any evidence showing that votes were changed or fraudulent due to the Russians, only that there is concern about their propaganda. Please enlighten me.

    As to bias in the investigation, while we all have our own bias and pre-dispositions, they must be tempered when conducting investigations. It is somewhat troubling, that a senior individual (whose fingerprints are all over the Trump investigation and who helped write the Clinton Decision (2 month PRIOR to her being interviewed)) was married to a recipient of a huge donation from the Clinton Foundation. This is a huge conflict of interest. Also, the individual, whose texts to his mistress about Trump, is also compromised.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    Donald, it's obvious that you are getting your information from Fox News. Please turn it off. It isn't news, and it isn't true. It's the equivalent of government-run media in most dictatorships. Remember Pravda? Fox is an embarrassment to the entertainment industry, not the news industry. It has nothing to do with the new industry, which happens to be doing a pretty good job, despite all the "fake news" deflections. Even the Deseret News is trying to be objective in this crazy country.

    Personally, I'm a Democrat. Mueller is a Republican, as are most of the FBI brass Fox News is criticizing. But I trust the FBI. I trust Mueller to be professional and to find crime where it is hiding. I'm pretty sure he's going to unload a truckload of unimpeachable evidence that will shed light on just how corrupt this administration is. We knew who Trump was before he was elected. His business shenanigans and sexual misconduct were never in question. Just look at all the statements made about Trump by his Republican co-contestants in the GOP beauty contest last year. They spelled out in clear detail exactly who Trump is. Why is everyone trying to deny it now?

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    Letters like this one are published to bring about intelligent responses...
    And the responses are the only intelligence associated with it.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 11:26 a.m.

    Patience.
    Mueller is amassing such a boatload of indictable charges that trump won't be able to tweet them away, or define each one as "fake".
    Patience..

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Dec. 27, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    It behooves the writer to accurately describe the probe's findings to this point. There hasn't been " one conviction" over things that "happened years before." There have been four indictments resulting in 2 guilty pleas. The latter result directly from lying to FBI officials about contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians.

    Facts matter. Details matter. If you do not have an accurate understanding of what Mueller has uncovered, how are you in a position to declare him irredeemably compromised?

    More importantly, why is there a consistent pattern of lying by campaign members whenever the subject of Russian interference comes up? I want to know.

    The Russian government carried out a brazen intelligence operation in the 2016 election. As an American citizen, I want that investigated to the fullest extent possible so that 1) we can protect ourselves in the future, and 2) we know to what extent Americans may have assisted them.

    As for the allegedly unrelated charges against Manafort and Gates, it's helpful to review how Ken Starr went from an obscure Arkansas real estate deal to charging Clinton with perjury related to his affair. That's a pretty broad mandate.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    When Comey got the boot and Mueller replaced him, the pro Trump crowd was pleased.

    When Mueller showed he would conduct a thorough investigation, the Trump crowd was displeased.

    Here's how to please the Trump crowd: End all investigations immediately.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 10:31 a.m.

    If I was innocent --
    I would DEMAND a fully and open investigation.
    I would do everything I could to restore integrity and clear my good name.
    I do anything for the sacred office I was entrusted.
    I would establish dignity, honor and respect for the Presidency of the United States.
    I would put my country and the Constitution ahead of all else.
    I would spend every waking hour creating trust to ALL the People of this land.

    If I was guilty --
    I would act just like Donald J. Trump

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    What is the fear if innocent? Does Mr Johnson have some secret inside to the investigations or does he think not coming forward upfront is regular order? It is a cowardly liar that fears the light of day.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Mr. Johnson didn't pay very close attention to the commission of Mr. Mueller.

    Special Councils have the authority to start one place and go wherever they find crimes.

    How do you get from Whitewater to Lewinsky?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 7:29 a.m.

    "Perhaps the editorial board has not been watching how American justice works."

    American justice should not be hijacked by those fearful of losing power and money. Trump believes he is above all consequences and Mr. Johnson believes it too.

    In the end, the letter writer would be delighted if Trump replaced the FBI and hired his own private security army much like Putin does. Putin would have jailed Robert Mueller a long time ago. Fox News advocates this. "Lead him away in handcuffs!"

    It only demonstrates what a perilous condition our democracy is in right now. Honor and integrity are getting waxed. It's systemic of moral collapse by people on the right.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2017 6:46 a.m.

    Mr. Johnson, The Russian probe is an investigation, not a prosecution. Big difference.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 27, 2017 6:18 a.m.

    Donald - the findings of Mueller haven't even been published yet..... so for anyone to say it has been "sloppy".... that is just more of the FoxNews propoganda machine hard at work. Just as with Hillary - to make claims one way or another is not only ill advised before it is published, but it shows who ever is making the comments is acting very unprofessional as well.

    How about this, lets have all law enforcement who have a political leaning or opinion step down from their jobs, because surely based on the FoxNews logic, they can't do their job objectively despite their personal feelings. Find me one Judge, Prosecutor, Investigator, or detective that doesn't have a personal opinion on the person under suspicion.

    Good grief, the logic is so simplistic and without basis, it is amazing Fox can keep feeding this to people who lap it up in their partisan based frenzy of hate.

    The investigation isn't done... and there has been no report yet. There is nothing yet to say is sloppy... you can't judge something that doesn't exist yet.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 26, 2017 11:56 p.m.

    Alan Dershowitz a liberal activist? Snicker...

    Isn’t it funny that everyone the trumpers disagree with they immediately label liberal activists? Even traditionally conservative people, like Charles Krauthammer, david Brooks, George Will, Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake, John Kasich, and even the dnews is accused daily for being “too liberal.”

    Rather than trumpers attempt to converse using facts or logic, they immediately emulate their despot apprentice, label someone a derogatory term, and try and shut them up. They refuse to compromise or converse in a civil manner. This all is predicted by those who have studied authoritarian regimes. For those interested in some good reading, try “On Tyranny” or “Despot’s Apprentice” by Brian Klaas.

    Douglas Johnson, in attacking the integrity of this investigation without using any facts is just another lame attempt by wannabe strongmen to exercise their authoritarian rule to overrule our institutions that provide checks and balances. This has been done in Russia, Turkey, and the Philippines.

    What trumpers want isn’t justice, they want to shut down Mueller and justice to enact absolute rule. They must be defeated!

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 26, 2017 11:33 p.m.

    Mr. Mueller has not publicly released his findings and he won't until the investigation is over. Those who want it shut down now simply don't want to know the truth.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 26, 2017 11:10 p.m.

    Are you kidding me? Mr. Johnson...

    You say there is no reason to defend the Russian probe,
    and the Donald Trump is innocent?

    Innocent until proven guilty does not mean NO investigations.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 26, 2017 10:21 p.m.

    If one goes through the messages sent between the two people, they'd find not only messages criticizing Trump but also ones criticizing Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, and others.

    The Trump administration is so busy trying to come up with anything to deflect attention away from their own moral bankruptcy.