2017: In a less religious America, conservative Christians got the president’s ear, a museum and a day in court

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 18, 2017 12:09 p.m.

    Why did almost 100% of Evangelicals vote for President Trump -- and will do so again? Because he is NOT a traditional hot air polititian who sounds good during the campaign then has memory loss after the election. No this president is not a polititian at all and that is why the only way he knows to act IS to act. To do what he said he was going to do and he has done it starting with his Supreme Court pick and continuing on to support religious liberty in America after it had all but been abandoned by Mr. Obama.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    @Karen R
    Gallup polling shows that there's been a slight lean to pro-choice since 1995 (it was a wider margin before then) and pro-life had a slight lead a couple years the past decade.

    There are large majorities against a total ban on abortion but also against no limits on abortion.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2017 12:40 p.m.

    @sashabill
    "My point is that if people of one political persuasion can bring their religious perspectives into the public square, then people of other persuasions have the right to do the same thing."

    People can bring their religious perspectives into the public square. The conflicts where people complain about it (usually in the form of left->right over abortion or same-sex marriage, but sometimes is right->left) is when the issue being discussed is something where people believe the religious group is pushing an unconstitutional law.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Dec. 17, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    @sashabill;

    People rarely protest those who are working to improve America for everyone; they are very likely to protest those who preach bigotry though.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Dec. 17, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    @ sashabill

    Current Pew Research Center stats show that majority public opinion has been consistently pro-choice since 1995. Perhaps this contingent includes the Christians who have actually read their holy book and know what their god(s) think about the issue.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Dec. 16, 2017 10:35 p.m.

    unrepentant progressive, Your estimation of the pro life movement in this country may need some revising and updating. Public opinion polling shows a wide divergence of perspective on this issue, with many people ambivalent about it, and still significant percentages of others favoring at least some restrictions on abortion (including about one fourth of Democrats who describe themselves as pro life.)

    The active pro life movement has broadened out in the past decade or more, with such groups as pro life Gays and Lesbians (PLAGAL), Secular Pro Life (SPL), Pro Life Pagans, atheists and agnostics, and feminist pro lifers, as well as Pro life Democrats (DFLA).

    Curiously, those who object to religious involvement in the Pro life movement seem to have no such problem with the open pro abortion advocacy which comes from the Unitarian church or the United Church of Christ, amongst other religious sources. As I alluded to earlier, I find this blatantly hypocritical.

    For the record, I am actively and publicly pro life, for both religious and human rights-related reasons, and will remain so.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 16, 2017 3:35 p.m.

    I wonder if religious fundamentalists will ever wake up and realize that their movement is past its high water mark.

    The reason it's past the "Use By Date" lies in the stridency and blatant political machinations employed. By using social issues (anything remotely involved with LGBT issues and a woman's right to choose) as a bludgeon to garner political influence in the right wing world, the conservative religionists showed themselves to be more political than religious. This alienates the younger generation, who know better.

    Not only are the children of fundamentalists rejecting these social views, but the majority of Americans reject them as well. IMO, the religious fundamentalist leaders are loathe to surrender their crusade against the 21st century because they are so used to a seat at the political table. And that this political squabbling brings in the bucks to their "non-profits".

    Which brings up another subject. Has anyone ever looked at the lifestyles of these so-called religious fundamentalist leaders? How did Pat Robertson get so rich anyway? Or many of the others. IMO, this is not exactly how the New Testament tells us to conduct our life.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Dec. 16, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    Impartial7, I am also referring to the anti-Vietnam War protests of that time period, which often included rioting and violence on college campuses. The radical Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), for example, drew active support and involvement from the Unitarians (I was a member of the Unitarian church during that time ). Malcolm Boyd (Episcopal priest), William Sloane Coffin (Chaplain at Yale University), and the Barragan brothers (Catholic priests) were among the religious leaders involved in liberal-left wing political activity .

    More recently, those who complained about Mormon or Catholic involvement in California's Prop 8 campaign curiously voiced no such objection to Unitarian, Episcopal, or UCC involvement in the No on 8 campaign.

    My point is that if people of one political persuasion can bring their religious perspectives into the public square, then people of other persuasions have the right to do the same thing. To affirm that right for oneself, while denying it to others who happen to disagree with you (as many liberals seem to do), is pure hypocrisy.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 16, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    @sashabill;
    "GingerMarshall, Liberal churches were crossing the political line back in the 1960s and '70s. "

    Are you talking about the Civil Rights movement? Then yes, it was the church's responsibility to expose the hypocrisy. Jesus said "Love one another". Not, "Love one another of the same color".

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Dec. 16, 2017 5:10 a.m.

    I read stories like this and couldn't help it but laugh. Open your eyes, you religious people. There are lots and lots of good and decent non-religious people out there too. You are spending way too much time inside the walls of your utopia. Get out sometimes and breath the fresh air of "life" and "common sense."

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2017 12:50 a.m.

    Utah religionists ' response to the Trump threat is muted at best. Why? Because they know that even if he is personally corrupt and.politically corrupt he nevertheless can do things they want. This is itself corrupt.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Dec. 15, 2017 10:57 p.m.

    GingerMarshall, Liberal churches were crossing the political line back in the 1960s and '70s. Funny, I don't remember any of the politically correct community complaining about separation of church and state when that was happening. (Incidentally, no I didn't vote for Trump).

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 10:34 p.m.

    Religion plus politics equals politics.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Dec. 15, 2017 8:30 p.m.

    2017. The year American Christianity officially crossed the line from religion to political machine willing to do anything to attain power.