Why did almost 100% of Evangelicals vote for President Trump -- and will do so
again? Because he is NOT a traditional hot air polititian who sounds good during
the campaign then has memory loss after the election. No this president is not a
polititian at all and that is why the only way he knows to act IS to act. To do
what he said he was going to do and he has done it starting with his Supreme
Court pick and continuing on to support religious liberty in America after it
had all but been abandoned by Mr. Obama.
@Karen RGallup polling shows that there's been a slight lean to
pro-choice since 1995 (it was a wider margin before then) and pro-life had a
slight lead a couple years the past decade.There are large
majorities against a total ban on abortion but also against no limits on
@sashabill"My point is that if people of one political persuasion can
bring their religious perspectives into the public square, then people of other
persuasions have the right to do the same thing."People can
bring their religious perspectives into the public square. The conflicts where
people complain about it (usually in the form of left->right over abortion
or same-sex marriage, but sometimes is right->left) is when the issue being
discussed is something where people believe the religious group is pushing an
@sashabill;People rarely protest those who are working to improve
America for everyone; they are very likely to protest those who preach bigotry
@ sashabillCurrent Pew Research Center stats show that majority
public opinion has been consistently pro-choice since 1995. Perhaps this
contingent includes the Christians who have actually read their holy book and
know what their god(s) think about the issue.
unrepentant progressive, Your estimation of the pro life movement in this
country may need some revising and updating. Public opinion polling shows a
wide divergence of perspective on this issue, with many people ambivalent about
it, and still significant percentages of others favoring at least some
restrictions on abortion (including about one fourth of Democrats who describe
themselves as pro life.)The active pro life movement has broadened
out in the past decade or more, with such groups as pro life Gays and Lesbians
(PLAGAL), Secular Pro Life (SPL), Pro Life Pagans, atheists and agnostics, and
feminist pro lifers, as well as Pro life Democrats (DFLA). Curiously, those who object to religious involvement in the Pro life movement
seem to have no such problem with the open pro abortion advocacy which comes
from the Unitarian church or the United Church of Christ, amongst other
religious sources. As I alluded to earlier, I find this blatantly
hypocritical.For the record, I am actively and publicly pro life,
for both religious and human rights-related reasons, and will remain so.
I wonder if religious fundamentalists will ever wake up and realize that their
movement is past its high water mark.The reason it's past the
"Use By Date" lies in the stridency and blatant political machinations
employed. By using social issues (anything remotely involved with LGBT issues
and a woman's right to choose) as a bludgeon to garner political influence
in the right wing world, the conservative religionists showed themselves to be
more political than religious. This alienates the younger generation, who know
better.Not only are the children of fundamentalists rejecting these
social views, but the majority of Americans reject them as well. IMO, the
religious fundamentalist leaders are loathe to surrender their crusade against
the 21st century because they are so used to a seat at the political table. And
that this political squabbling brings in the bucks to their
"non-profits".Which brings up another subject. Has anyone
ever looked at the lifestyles of these so-called religious fundamentalist
leaders? How did Pat Robertson get so rich anyway? Or many of the others.
IMO, this is not exactly how the New Testament tells us to conduct our life.
Impartial7, I am also referring to the anti-Vietnam War protests of that time
period, which often included rioting and violence on college campuses. The
radical Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), for example, drew active
support and involvement from the Unitarians (I was a member of the Unitarian
church during that time ). Malcolm Boyd (Episcopal priest), William Sloane
Coffin (Chaplain at Yale University), and the Barragan brothers (Catholic
priests) were among the religious leaders involved in liberal-left wing
political activity . More recently, those who complained about
Mormon or Catholic involvement in California's Prop 8 campaign curiously
voiced no such objection to Unitarian, Episcopal, or UCC involvement in the No
on 8 campaign.My point is that if people of one political persuasion
can bring their religious perspectives into the public square, then people of
other persuasions have the right to do the same thing. To affirm that right for
oneself, while denying it to others who happen to disagree with you (as many
liberals seem to do), is pure hypocrisy.
@sashabill;"GingerMarshall, Liberal churches were crossing the
political line back in the 1960s and '70s. "Are you talking
about the Civil Rights movement? Then yes, it was the church's
responsibility to expose the hypocrisy. Jesus said "Love one another".
Not, "Love one another of the same color".
I read stories like this and couldn't help it but laugh. Open your eyes,
you religious people. There are lots and lots of good and decent non-religious
people out there too. You are spending way too much time inside the walls of
your utopia. Get out sometimes and breath the fresh air of "life" and
Utah religionists ' response to the Trump threat is muted at best. Why?
Because they know that even if he is personally corrupt and.politically corrupt
he nevertheless can do things they want. This is itself corrupt.
GingerMarshall, Liberal churches were crossing the political line back in
the 1960s and '70s. Funny, I don't remember any of the politically
correct community complaining about separation of church and state when that was
happening. (Incidentally, no I didn't vote for Trump).
Religion plus politics equals politics.
2017. The year American Christianity officially crossed the line from religion
to political machine willing to do anything to attain power.