It should be a fun series, let's continue it :)
An article on the details of the $80K payment and of punches and kicks made by
either team and how Rose and $80K behaved as players and coaches would make a
very interesting read. Maybe even showing any and all back and forth in that
fame berween the two players and the rumored groin kick in previoys years by
that player to Emery's brother. Coach $80K seems to be mostly a very good
coach - maybe a little bit chicken about playing a tough schedule OOC, and a
very angry man. Maybe a Chris Hill puppet. I read somewhere that
$80K is slowly paying the money through a trust fund or foundation using money
that he already committed to another purpose. So, who is really paying it -
sounds like taking it back from Peter and giving it to Paul. Coach
$80K seems childish about this whole thing and in need of anGermany management
and a backbone.
The opportunity for fun is lost when the fans devolve the outcomes into who can
denigrate the other side the most. I love the state of Utah, all schools in the
state get my support. Sometimes I think that Utahans don't know how good
they have it.
Hopefully Coach Krystomivaak slept ok last night, all that worrying about those
mean BYU players hurting his players. He tries to pretend he is so tough, but
the reality is he wishes he didn't have to play BYU, he's afraid,
terrified, and likely will meltdown again when they lose.
eastcougIts interesting that you are talking about Utah posters commenting
on an article about the Utes bb coach.
It's highly ironic that the few constant Ute posters on BYU boards would
clamor to end the rivalry. Why are you here every day stoking the rivalry and
obsessing about BYU? If you want it to die, why don't you find another
There are a lot of classy Ute fans and I think the rivalry is one of the
defining features of living on the Wasatch Front and it extends all the way
around the world wherever Ute and Cougar fans meet.I grew up in a
family like most that had people on both sides. It spiced up family gatherings.
I like it.That said, there are a few with a smug
self-righteous attitude that can ruin it. They overreact. Sadly that includes
some BYU fans. It also includes Coach K in this instance who wanted to get back
at BYU by cancelling the series. Each side is responsible for its own players
and no one need act like they're doing that perfectly.The few
Ute fans who are constantly are on these boards to jump on everything BYU does
are also part of that extreme attitude by very definition. When you act like
your side does it OK and the other side is wrong, and you're dwelling on
what that side is doing at every move, you are acting self-righteous.
I hope those big bad boys at byu will go easy and not hurt anyone. This is and
was a farce. Utah didn’t want anymore non conference loses.
Rivalry games should be banned.In Texas, peace was restored when
Texas and Texas A & M went their separate ways.
Hope BYU takes Utah to the woodshed on the court. One thing about it, coach K
will have his team motivated for the game. That is for certain.
@ Naval VetI'm actually in agreement with you about Emery. He
should've had a harsher punishment than what he got, but Marshall Henderson
according to articles during that time sounded like he transferred on his own
and did not get kicked off the team. Maybe he didn't get along with Boylen
or he didn't like the direction the program was going.
Mark321:Then it sounds like coach Boylen wasn't willing to put
up with thuggish behavior either. So that makes TWO coaches who do a better job
than Rose in reining in his players.
@ Naval Vet"I don't recall Larry Krystkowiak inviting him
back to play his Sophomore year. Coach K DID something about HIM!"Marshall Henderson left (transferred) in April 2010 when Boylen was coach.
Boylen wasn't fired until 2011 so Coach Krystkowiak wasn't involved at
all. Get your facts straight.
kaysvillecougar:The only thing "weak" about Emery's
swing was that it came from Emery's super-skinny, undeveloped arms. But
let's not pretend that his swing wasn't all that he had in him! It
was a classless move. You are correct that he wasn't the only
guilty party there though. The other guilty parties therein were Coach Rose --
who did nothing about it -- and cougar fans who both defended that punch then,
and continue to do so now!Personally, I think this game is being
played too soon. Emery seems to recognize that he was in the wrong and learned
his lesson, but that doesn't appear to be the case with either Coach Rose
or cougar fans. Yourself included.
Leonidas:"Marshall Henderson, the king of ute sportsmanship. I
don't recall any games being cancelled after his cheap shot. TIme to grow
up Larry."Marshall Henderson was an out-of-control thug, and not
a "team player". I don't recall Larry Krystkowiak inviting him
back to play his Sophomore year. Coach K DID something about HIM! Time to
educate yourself Leonidas!
@ekute "Owning byu is no longer a big deal. We'd like to
see them move on to play with their own friends."Undeserved
elitism at its finest. You'd like BYU to move on, but even though they
pretty much equals in BB and on the gridiron. I know you'll pretend they
aren't. Facts and stats are really miserable things when they are in your
way huh?Then you'll Say you've moved on, yada, yada,
yada.... yet here you'll be daily seeking to convince us all that the utes
are awesome-er" and BYU is not.Maybe one day you'll really
believe it too. Doubtful though.
One think is sure. Krisco isn't going to be the first to apologize.
He's a tough guy who has a hard time seeing that there was more than one
wrong committed. Let me say that Emery taking a (weak) swing at the Ute player
was just stupid and childish. The way Krisco responded both immediately and in
the months after was completely childish as well. Now that time has helped
soothe things, he's not ready to admit he was wrong, but hey, no big deal.
He has his opinion and others have theirs. Hopefully both coaches and teams can
play hard and with respect. I think they're both good coaches. Go Cougars!
@81Ute.Can't speak for all BYU students, alumni or fans. There is
always going to be some BYU fan willing to complain if BYU-Utah goes away. You
and I really have zero control over this.There is an interesting
financial reason to continue the rivalry, though. That is that in any given
down year for either school, the rivalry games provide at least one sell-out
crowd (or close to it). But, as I said before, if there is enough bad blood,
I'm not sure finances should rule these decisions.@Stringer
Bell.Those Utah and BYU grads out of state have no influence with the
state legislature. So, the Utah voter will have to do that. It is interesting
that if a rivalry game is mandated by the legislature, the U of U must comply.
But, BYU, as a private entity, can say no.
65 traps: "Who cares. Let this hate-filled rivalry die. BYU doesn't
need Utah - so why do it? "Because BYU-P fans in the State
legislature insist on it. Most Utah fans just want BYU-P to go away. Again,
there’s nothing gained in beating them. Utah beat BYU-P in football and
then immediately dropped in the polls. There is no sane reason to play them
Who cares. Let this hate-filled rivalry die. BYU doesn't need Utah - so
why do it? Some people are just too sentimental.
water rocket,Thanks for talking down to me. I will keep your expressed
thoughts in mind and pass them on to a couple of your friends that have
commented above.Perhaps you should keep them handy and look at them
yourself once in while.
@VermonterYour comment is curious. It is the byu fans that insist
on playing the Utes and outrage ensues when it does not happen. Read the
comments on this article...where is the angst? byu fans. Look at the vitriol
when the Utes picked up Michigan in football...all byu fans.Personally, I think byu should 1 up the Utes and refuse to play Utah again.
We know that won't happen, the coogs need the Utes to fill their stadium
and arena.If Utah never played byu again in any sport...that would
be a good thing.
EKUTE, civility also (I hope) includes being more respectful toward each other.
This would (should) include the behavior of a certain coach to NOT mock the
other team's student section, or flash team signs at them.Team
competition can be pretty intense, but the fans should not fan the flames of
hate. Having a rivalry is a fine and fun thing, but like anything in life, it
can be carried to an extreme, and those who do so in this rivalry tarnish their
own team's reputation as much (or more) than they do their opponent. Both
schools are fine institutions. Both schools have great students and faculty.
Both schools are competitive, and both schools are deserving of the respect and
considerate treatment from their fans. Lastly, both schools deserve to have
their fans represent their school with dignity, to show the world that their
school represents the finer, more intelligent and well bred side of society.
But seriously folks!,What's obvious is that the response was
justified. The audit wasn't. It's also obvious that the media
won't let it go in attempts to benefit byu by keeping the "rivalry"
Maybe it is because I look at this from afar. But, the BYU-Utah rivalry started
to take on ugly overtones in the 1970s with the negativity accelerating in the
past 10 or 20 years. Since most BYU students and alumni now are not
actually from Utah, I'm not sure most of them see an actual need to
continue the rivalry if it just continually stirs up bad blood. Yeah, it may
help BYU's SOS in football and basketball. But, there are limits to the
value of SOS when balanced against other negatives. Coach K and Coach Rose need
to keep it respectful and sportsmanlike, or many of us will be in favor of
throwing in the towel long-term.Interestingly, the BYU-USU rivalry
for the most part has never had any of the uglier overtones of BYU-Utah. I have
some ideas why. But, it would be interesting to hear what other people think.
I think we should all take a look at the video and look at how LK responded and
then let's see who the grown up was then, and is today. Good things Jordan
Loveridge was there to physically restrain his more mature and grown up coach
(snicker, snicker).Emory reached out to smooth things over. LK is
still sore about it and will not let it go.I am still in disbelief
that ute fans are blaming Rose for letting his players bang on the utes when was
the dirtiest player in college basketball at Montana. Don't believe it
just google the riot he started and get back to us.I would prefer
that the series never be played again.
Marshall Henderson, the king of ute sportsmanship. I don't recall any
games being cancelled after his cheap shot. TIme to grow up Larry.
Striker, it wasn't because a Utah player got an owie, it was because the
BYU players were acting like thugs and the coach wasn't doing anything to
stop it. The real culprit is Rose. It does sound like the action had the
desired effect, less vitriol on both sides (except for some BYU fans that is).
It is erroneous and silly comments like the one from Joe Schmoe that make me
think now is the perfect time to let this so-called rivalry game lapse forever.
There are enough bad feelings between the BYU true-believers and the rest of the
public that there is no need to aggravate things by continuing this annual
hate-fest. Let the legislature's BYU true-believers find other things to
do - like legislate. . .
Owning byu is no longer a big deal. We'd like to see them move on to play
with their own friends.
So the rivalry took a break for two reasons:1. WWII2. Utah got an
owie in a very physical game, led by a coach known for being very physical when
he played.I'd be absolutely embarrassed if I was Utah.
Even IF he had any regret, there is no way he would ever admit he was sorry
about his $80K decision.....Utah fans would revolt.
I have a feeling that the BYU-Utah game is not going to be an annual event in
the future. The two teams are no longer in the same conference and I just
don't see as much enthusiasm for it on either side as their once was.
4-0 Nuff said.
Hey Joe Schmoe - did you actually read this or any of the several other articles
where Emery and LK exchanged texts and resolved their feelings? Really annoying
when posters make incorrect comments like 'the kid even apologized and the
coach still won't let it go'. He totally let that incident go but
like many U fans, has no interest playing BYU on an annual basis.There is another game scheduled for 2019 and think it would be just fine if
BYU were to exercise the buyout clause and cancel that game.
@MacKayjonesBYU was paid by the University of Utah per the terms of
the contract. Coach K agreed to pay the University of Utah. As of the Speaker
Hughes audit, $20,000 had been paid by Coach K. in accordance with the terms of
his reimbursement agreement. The remainder to be paid in three remaining equal
annual installments (I believe those were the terms I read). If you doubt he
will honor his word - then you and i could enter into another separate
'The rivalry well could continue beyond that, if for no other reason than
politics.""You mean the part where the politicians and legal
threats got involved?"Never in the history of collegiate sports
has a legislative body compelled a state funded university to play a privately
funded university at the expense of other state funded schools. Speaker Hughes
with his threats (both real and implied) is unique. What a legacy.
Inquiring minds want to know. Did Krystkowiak ever pay BYU the $80k he owes
Krystkowiak shouldn't be sorry he paused the BYU-Utah rivalry, but Greg
Hughes should be sorry he restarted it.
Weak. Blaming things on a 20 year old kid. Weak. The kid even apologized and
the coach still won't let it go. Weak.