Krystkowiak not sorry he paused BYU-Utah rivalry, but civility actually might prevail

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  • rogerdpack Orem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2017 3:33 p.m.

    It should be a fun series, let's continue it :)

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    Dec. 16, 2017 3:26 p.m.

    An article on the details of the $80K payment and of punches and kicks made by either team and how Rose and $80K behaved as players and coaches would make a very interesting read. Maybe even showing any and all back and forth in that fame berween the two players and the rumored groin kick in previoys years by that player to Emery's brother. Coach $80K seems to be mostly a very good coach - maybe a little bit chicken about playing a tough schedule OOC, and a very angry man. Maybe a Chris Hill puppet.

    I read somewhere that $80K is slowly paying the money through a trust fund or foundation using money that he already committed to another purpose. So, who is really paying it - sounds like taking it back from Peter and giving it to Paul.

    Coach $80K seems childish about this whole thing and in need of anGermany management and a backbone.

  • Crazy in California Acampo, CA
    Dec. 16, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    The opportunity for fun is lost when the fans devolve the outcomes into who can denigrate the other side the most. I love the state of Utah, all schools in the state get my support. Sometimes I think that Utahans don't know how good they have it.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Dec. 16, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    Hopefully Coach Krystomivaak slept ok last night, all that worrying about those mean BYU players hurting his players. He tries to pretend he is so tough, but the reality is he wishes he didn't have to play BYU, he's afraid, terrified, and likely will meltdown again when they lose.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 16, 2017 9:51 a.m.

    eastcoug
    Its interesting that you are talking about Utah posters commenting on an article about the Utes bb coach.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 16, 2017 7:55 a.m.

    It's highly ironic that the few constant Ute posters on BYU boards would clamor to end the rivalry. Why are you here every day stoking the rivalry and obsessing about BYU? If you want it to die, why don't you find another hobby??

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 16, 2017 7:49 a.m.

    There are a lot of classy Ute fans and I think the rivalry is one of the defining features of living on the Wasatch Front and it extends all the way around the world wherever Ute and Cougar fans meet.

    I grew up in a family like most that had people on both sides. It spiced up family gatherings.

    I like it.

    That said, there are a few with a smug self-righteous attitude that can ruin it. They overreact. Sadly that includes some BYU fans. It also includes Coach K in this instance who wanted to get back at BYU by cancelling the series. Each side is responsible for its own players and no one need act like they're doing that perfectly.

    The few Ute fans who are constantly are on these boards to jump on everything BYU does are also part of that extreme attitude by very definition. When you act like your side does it OK and the other side is wrong, and you're dwelling on what that side is doing at every move, you are acting self-righteous.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2017 6:57 a.m.

    I hope those big bad boys at byu will go easy and not hurt anyone. This is and was a farce. Utah didn’t want anymore non conference loses.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Dec. 15, 2017 9:35 p.m.

    Rivalry games should be banned.

    In Texas, peace was restored when Texas and Texas A & M went their separate ways.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Dec. 15, 2017 4:55 p.m.

    Hope BYU takes Utah to the woodshed on the court. One thing about it, coach K will have his team motivated for the game. That is for certain.

  • Mark321 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 4:55 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet

    I'm actually in agreement with you about Emery. He should've had a harsher punishment than what he got, but Marshall Henderson according to articles during that time sounded like he transferred on his own and did not get kicked off the team. Maybe he didn't get along with Boylen or he didn't like the direction the program was going.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 15, 2017 4:43 p.m.

    Mark321:

    Then it sounds like coach Boylen wasn't willing to put up with thuggish behavior either. So that makes TWO coaches who do a better job than Rose in reining in his players.

  • Mark321 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 4:37 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet

    "I don't recall Larry Krystkowiak inviting him back to play his Sophomore year. Coach K DID something about HIM!"

    Marshall Henderson left (transferred) in April 2010 when Boylen was coach. Boylen wasn't fired until 2011 so Coach Krystkowiak wasn't involved at all. Get your facts straight.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 15, 2017 3:54 p.m.

    kaysvillecougar:

    The only thing "weak" about Emery's swing was that it came from Emery's super-skinny, undeveloped arms. But let's not pretend that his swing wasn't all that he had in him! It was a classless move.

    You are correct that he wasn't the only guilty party there though. The other guilty parties therein were Coach Rose -- who did nothing about it -- and cougar fans who both defended that punch then, and continue to do so now!

    Personally, I think this game is being played too soon. Emery seems to recognize that he was in the wrong and learned his lesson, but that doesn't appear to be the case with either Coach Rose or cougar fans. Yourself included.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 15, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    Leonidas:

    "Marshall Henderson, the king of ute sportsmanship. I don't recall any games being cancelled after his cheap shot. TIme to grow up Larry."

    Marshall Henderson was an out-of-control thug, and not a "team player". I don't recall Larry Krystkowiak inviting him back to play his Sophomore year. Coach K DID something about HIM! Time to educate yourself Leonidas!

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Dec. 15, 2017 2:50 p.m.

    @ekute

    "Owning byu is no longer a big deal. We'd like to see them move on to play with their own friends."

    Undeserved elitism at its finest. You'd like BYU to move on, but even though they pretty much equals in BB and on the gridiron. I know you'll pretend they aren't. Facts and stats are really miserable things when they are in your way huh?

    Then you'll Say you've moved on, yada, yada, yada.... yet here you'll be daily seeking to convince us all that the utes are awesome-er" and BYU is not.

    Maybe one day you'll really believe it too. Doubtful though.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 1:42 p.m.

    One think is sure. Krisco isn't going to be the first to apologize. He's a tough guy who has a hard time seeing that there was more than one wrong committed. Let me say that Emery taking a (weak) swing at the Ute player was just stupid and childish. The way Krisco responded both immediately and in the months after was completely childish as well. Now that time has helped soothe things, he's not ready to admit he was wrong, but hey, no big deal. He has his opinion and others have theirs. Hopefully both coaches and teams can play hard and with respect. I think they're both good coaches. Go Cougars!

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Dec. 15, 2017 1:01 p.m.

    @81Ute.
    Can't speak for all BYU students, alumni or fans. There is always going to be some BYU fan willing to complain if BYU-Utah goes away. You and I really have zero control over this.

    There is an interesting financial reason to continue the rivalry, though. That is that in any given down year for either school, the rivalry games provide at least one sell-out crowd (or close to it). But, as I said before, if there is enough bad blood, I'm not sure finances should rule these decisions.

    @Stringer Bell.
    Those Utah and BYU grads out of state have no influence with the state legislature. So, the Utah voter will have to do that. It is interesting that if a rivalry game is mandated by the legislature, the U of U must comply. But, BYU, as a private entity, can say no.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 12:18 p.m.

    65 traps: "Who cares. Let this hate-filled rivalry die. BYU doesn't need Utah - so why do it? "

    Because BYU-P fans in the State legislature insist on it. Most Utah fans just want BYU-P to go away. Again, there’s nothing gained in beating them. Utah beat BYU-P in football and then immediately dropped in the polls. There is no sane reason to play them anymore.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 15, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    Who cares. Let this hate-filled rivalry die. BYU doesn't need Utah - so why do it? Some people are just too sentimental.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 10:58 a.m.

    water rocket,
    Thanks for talking down to me. I will keep your expressed thoughts in mind and pass them on to a couple of your friends that have commented above.
    Perhaps you should keep them handy and look at them yourself once in while.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    @Vermonter

    Your comment is curious. It is the byu fans that insist on playing the Utes and outrage ensues when it does not happen. Read the comments on this article...where is the angst? byu fans. Look at the vitriol when the Utes picked up Michigan in football...all byu fans.

    Personally, I think byu should 1 up the Utes and refuse to play Utah again. We know that won't happen, the coogs need the Utes to fill their stadium and arena.

    If Utah never played byu again in any sport...that would be a good thing.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    EKUTE, civility also (I hope) includes being more respectful toward each other. This would (should) include the behavior of a certain coach to NOT mock the other team's student section, or flash team signs at them.

    Team competition can be pretty intense, but the fans should not fan the flames of hate. Having a rivalry is a fine and fun thing, but like anything in life, it can be carried to an extreme, and those who do so in this rivalry tarnish their own team's reputation as much (or more) than they do their opponent. Both schools are fine institutions. Both schools have great students and faculty. Both schools are competitive, and both schools are deserving of the respect and considerate treatment from their fans. Lastly, both schools deserve to have their fans represent their school with dignity, to show the world that their school represents the finer, more intelligent and well bred side of society.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 9:36 a.m.

    But seriously folks!,
    What's obvious is that the response was justified. The audit wasn't. It's also obvious that the media won't let it go in attempts to benefit byu by keeping the "rivalry" alive.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Dec. 15, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    Maybe it is because I look at this from afar. But, the BYU-Utah rivalry started to take on ugly overtones in the 1970s with the negativity accelerating in the past 10 or 20 years.

    Since most BYU students and alumni now are not actually from Utah, I'm not sure most of them see an actual need to continue the rivalry if it just continually stirs up bad blood. Yeah, it may help BYU's SOS in football and basketball. But, there are limits to the value of SOS when balanced against other negatives. Coach K and Coach Rose need to keep it respectful and sportsmanlike, or many of us will be in favor of throwing in the towel long-term.

    Interestingly, the BYU-USU rivalry for the most part has never had any of the uglier overtones of BYU-Utah. I have some ideas why. But, it would be interesting to hear what other people think.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    I think we should all take a look at the video and look at how LK responded and then let's see who the grown up was then, and is today. Good things Jordan Loveridge was there to physically restrain his more mature and grown up coach (snicker, snicker).

    Emory reached out to smooth things over. LK is still sore about it and will not let it go.

    I am still in disbelief that ute fans are blaming Rose for letting his players bang on the utes when was the dirtiest player in college basketball at Montana. Don't believe it just google the riot he started and get back to us.

    I would prefer that the series never be played again.

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 8:22 a.m.

    Marshall Henderson, the king of ute sportsmanship. I don't recall any games being cancelled after his cheap shot. TIme to grow up Larry.

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 7:49 a.m.

    Striker, it wasn't because a Utah player got an owie, it was because the BYU players were acting like thugs and the coach wasn't doing anything to stop it. The real culprit is Rose. It does sound like the action had the desired effect, less vitriol on both sides (except for some BYU fans that is).

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Dec. 15, 2017 7:17 a.m.

    It is erroneous and silly comments like the one from Joe Schmoe that make me think now is the perfect time to let this so-called rivalry game lapse forever. There are enough bad feelings between the BYU true-believers and the rest of the public that there is no need to aggravate things by continuing this annual hate-fest. Let the legislature's BYU true-believers find other things to do - like legislate. . .

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 15, 2017 5:59 a.m.

    Owning byu is no longer a big deal. We'd like to see them move on to play with their own friends.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Dec. 14, 2017 11:54 p.m.

    So the rivalry took a break for two reasons:
    1. WWII
    2. Utah got an owie in a very physical game, led by a coach known for being very physical when he played.

    I'd be absolutely embarrassed if I was Utah. Unbelievable!

  • Joyfully American Fork, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 11:38 p.m.

    Even IF he had any regret, there is no way he would ever admit he was sorry about his $80K decision.....Utah fans would revolt.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 14, 2017 11:11 p.m.

    I have a feeling that the BYU-Utah game is not going to be an annual event in the future. The two teams are no longer in the same conference and I just don't see as much enthusiasm for it on either side as their once was.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 10:35 p.m.

    4-0 Nuff said.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 14, 2017 9:49 p.m.

    Hey Joe Schmoe - did you actually read this or any of the several other articles where Emery and LK exchanged texts and resolved their feelings? Really annoying when posters make incorrect comments like 'the kid even apologized and the coach still won't let it go'. He totally let that incident go but like many U fans, has no interest playing BYU on an annual basis.

    There is another game scheduled for 2019 and think it would be just fine if BYU were to exercise the buyout clause and cancel that game.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 7:58 p.m.

    @MacKayjones

    BYU was paid by the University of Utah per the terms of the contract. Coach K agreed to pay the University of Utah. As of the Speaker Hughes audit, $20,000 had been paid by Coach K. in accordance with the terms of his reimbursement agreement. The remainder to be paid in three remaining equal annual installments (I believe those were the terms I read). If you doubt he will honor his word - then you and i could enter into another separate agreement.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 7:51 p.m.

    'The rivalry well could continue beyond that, if for no other reason than politics."

    "You mean the part where the politicians and legal threats got involved?"

    Never in the history of collegiate sports has a legislative body compelled a state funded university to play a privately funded university at the expense of other state funded schools. Speaker Hughes with his threats (both real and implied) is unique. What a legacy.

  • MacKayJones PROVO, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 6:35 p.m.

    Inquiring minds want to know. Did Krystkowiak ever pay BYU the $80k he owes them?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 14, 2017 6:06 p.m.

    Krystkowiak shouldn't be sorry he paused the BYU-Utah rivalry, but Greg Hughes should be sorry he restarted it.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2017 5:38 p.m.

    Weak. Blaming things on a 20 year old kid. Weak. The kid even apologized and the coach still won't let it go. Weak.