Hey BYU fans. Grimes is a great guy. A Smart, very good O-Line coach, but he is
also has a great eye for talent ( a HUGE necessity when picking 17 & 18 yr
olds). As an experienced O-Line coach, he knows all about the
offense and has been around some great minds at his different stops. I
don't know what BYU is paying him but evidently it was enough to leave an
upper echelon SEC school for a position promotion. I think he will
do great things at BYU.
I love how the Y fans are laughing at Utah's OC turnover year after year.
That means Utah can beat the Y no matter who is Offensive Coordinator. Gayle
Ruzicka could be the OC and Utah would still win. It's just how things are
now. Get used to it.
I guess the Ute fans can teach us something here.they get a new OC
every year and they say that we're celebrating incorrectly, they should
educate us on how it's done, because they know a thing or two about having
a new OC because they've seen a thing or two about having a knew OC.What's the proper way to celebrate Utes? Should we not be
excited?At least our OCs purchase homes, Utah OCs just live in a
motel for a few months before moving on to the next gig.
Fake news alerts! The only one calling for a BYU NC is a ute fan. You guys are
hilarious. I get a huge belly laugh every time I read one of your post. You are
trying to be funny, right?
Jeff Grimes is coming!! To town!! LOL
Got to love all these Expert Ute Fans weighing in on BYU sports. Certainly not
motivated to see BYU's success in a lot of cases. Got to give the new
guy a chance. While I supported Ty and so wanted him to be successful, just did
not happen in any way whatsoever. Can blame injuries, bad head coach, etc. but
the team was largely healthy early on and fell flat on its face in those early
games and did not and could not move the ball. Just an honest assessment from a
40 year plus BYU fan. Only way is to go up in my opinion.
Can't get worse than almost the worst offense in the country can it?
Certainly hoping for better OL play at the very least and hope they will play
the best players along the OL period regardless of seniority. Some played much
better than others (BYU's center). Against the better teams, many O Lineman
had absolutely no push. Just saying... and hoping for a better day. The guy
seems sharp and motivated, and will push some players pretty hard. Much harder
than Ty did. Good luck Coach Grimes!
Football smart coach, someone LSU wanted to keep, experienced recruiter and a
good person. He will fit in well at BYU. Considering the merry-go-round of
OC's at my alma mater, choosing an OC has an element of luck.
@Kaladin - Northern, COIf you can't block it you can't run
@co uteSo one of the 13 became a head coach and you try to use that
as a justification.LOL!
eastcoastcougar—I find it interesting you were dogging Bronco and
his staff almost his whole tenure for “underperformance,” calling
for his replacement for many years.And here we have an OC—Ty
Detmer—who oversaw perhaps the worst offense in BYU history whom you say
should never be fired.He’s a great guy. I get it. But why the
double standard? Like many of us you have high expectations for BYU football.
But when it comes to Detmer those expectations disappear.I have been
somewhat critical of Detmer, but also supported giving him one more year,
because of who he is, not because I saw any potential for improvement. But that
dye is cast and it’s time to get behind the new hire. While I’m
disappointed he has no play calling experience, I’ll withhold judgment
until we’re well into the season.
"As for criticizing this hire, who else were they going to hire? The hiring
pool for BYU is very shallow . . . "We just picked a very high
paid position coach out of an SEC school who isn't LDS - I think BYU just
made the point that the hiring pool isn't really so shallow.The
"legacy" coaches might have been a huge part of the problem here if you
think about it - Detmer isn't the only guy under-preforming!BYU's hiring pool is only shallow if they make it shallow, in truth BYU
can spend and shop like the big boys if they want to, it's a choice to be
more frugal and if you can get good talent at a low price why not - sometimes
they can and sometimes they can't.
CO ute:"some of those changes came as the OC was given a head
coaching job elsewhere."Some? Since you're being a
stickler for the facts, name one OC other than Chow who left to become a head
After learning more about our new OC, I am cautiously optimistic. However, I
still think that Ty Detmer deserved another year.
AZUTE1“And the annual offseason Nc hype starts early this year.
Unbelievable.”—You mean about like the Utes
annual hype every year that they’re going win a P12 title????.....sigh
Always get a kick out of the comments section on these articles but before I
recap, let me state for the record that this could be a very good hire for BYU.
Downside is that he has not been an OC before and will get schooled a few times
next year by more experienced opposition coaches. Good move to bring in someone
with extensive experience coaching college outside of the Rocky Mountains. He
has the potential to do very well.Now how about the memories that
the team 2 years ago was great and would have been undefeated with a better
defense. That is laugh out loud funny.Seems like 65power toss is
more worried about the 'angst' factor than the success factor.
Didn't we hear the same comments about angst when both Detmer and Sitake
were hired?An finally, duckhunter, misquotes both opinions and facts
about Utah will be changing OCs for 12 out of 13 years as well as ignoring some
of those changes came as the OC was given a head coaching job elsewhere.
Robo, No, I didn't prove your point. Utah beat BYU the previous three
years, and BYU hadn't changed their scheme. Utah has foremost always been
about beating BYU; that they have seven years in a row now gives their fans
wherewithal to say that isn't the case, but their level of
"interest" in our program belies that. Sarkisian was a good QB his
second year, yes, but the great running game was frankly rather new to BYU, and
Utah wasn't prepared for it. I remember Norm Chow saying he had the best
running back on the West Coast, and he enjoyed being able to employ a more
balanced attack than they traditionally had.
People saying that BYU can never succeed with a run game must not have been
paying attention to the service academies or Georgia Tech over the last two
decades. The option is custom made for BYU's recruiting base, undersized,
players with average speed. While Grimes isn't necessarily an option guy,
LSU runs a big boy college offense that includes a lot of spread. Too bad we
didn't have him when Taysom was at BYU. As for criticizing this
hire, who else were they going to hire? The hiring pool for BYU is very shallow
and I don't see anyone out their with better credentials that they
haven't already tried to hire. This guy is taking a huge risk going from an
SEC team to BYU. I wish him well.
“By the way, our defense was nothing to talk about last year either. With
a better defense, that team goes undefeated.”Conversely, how
many pts away was byu from going 5-7 that yr?Which good P5 opponent
did byu beat that yr?
“let's lead the Y to ANOTHER national title!!!!”And
the annual offseason Nc hype starts early this year. Unbelievable.Gotta hand it to cougar nation, they absolutely kill it during the offseason.
Undefeated even. Lol
Oh joy, here comes Robert Anae 3.0. How many times is BYU going to make the
mistake that they can't win against the big boys playing smash mouthed
football? A run-centered and/or spread offense will not work at BYU! They will
never get the players to compete with that style. Anae proved that. Detmer had
the right recipe, but it is clear Sitake never believed in the vision, so likely
recruited accordingly and set up Detmer for failure. Now we'll never know
what was possible under Detmer. The one shining light is Sitake will likely be
gone in a couple years when this experiment fails yet again and he'll have
nobody to blame but himself. Sure BYU won't likely lose to San Jose State,
but they won't compete at a high level either. Lifelong Cougar fan, but
it's clear Sitake isn't the guy. Nothing to be excited about for BYU
football, including this hire.
@Cougar PassionYou proved my point, "Utah had designed their
defense specifically to stop BYU's passing attack." Yes, the passing
attack was so great with Sarkisian that they had to gear up for it. That then
let the running backs run free. Point is, it didn't start with a great run
Robo @ 3:03 p.m.:Actually, Patriot is basically correct. Sarkisian may
have been the last great BYU QB, but he isn't really in the same class as
the great ones who preceded him. Moreover, the running game that year stood up
just fine on its own. Utah had designed their defense specifically to stop
BYU's passing attack, so Norm Chow took great pleasure in running, running,
running the entire game; Sarkisian passed the ball all of 12 times, completing
seven. BYU won that game 37-17.
Love the comments from the fans of the TUN that has had the most OC's in a
10 year period of any team in college football history. I mean they have the
record for OC's. They've had more OC's in 10 years than BYU has
had since about 1965. You guys crack me up, your just too funny.
Odd, at best.
I could have recommended two OC's both with a national championship on
their resume. Norm Chow and Gary Crowton. Seriously I wish coach Grimes the
best. If BYU does not have a winning next year Sitake will be in the hot seat.
Let me get this right. Ty Detmer gets fired so he can be replaced by a new
offensive coordinator who has never had experience as anything other than a
player and a line coach. This looks like it could be shades of Robert Anae. What
could possibly go wrong with that?
Enough, enough already.........the only thing we don't know is which junior
high school coach he mentored with
As a life long fan and season ticket holder since 1990, I am going with a
"wait and see" attitude and not buy into the hype. I hope he does well,
but I am still a little skeptical that he has no game experience calling plays.
I was hoping to hire someone who actually had called plays in a game under
pressure. I am sure he is a great guy and good father, but I will reserve
judgement. Go Cougs!!
@The Rock—“If coach Grimes wants to keep Cougar Nation happy,
he should keep Ty as his QB coach.”What on Earth makes you think Ty
would accept a demotion to QB coach? And exactly what BYU QB flourished under
Ty’s tutilage? I’m in the camp that would give Detmer one more
year’s chance, but I would much prefer Grimes get his own QB coach.“The O-line did well. Keep the coach.”You mean the
same O-line that couldn’t protect their QB to save their life against a
very weak UMASS team?“Receivers coach? His stable of
thoroughbreds was on the injured reserve list most of the season.” The receiving corps, in terms of getting separation and catching the dang
ball, was the worst I’d seen from a BYU football team last year. This year
was even worse.The new OC needs to overhaul the entire offensive
staff, so in the end, the buck stops with him. (Although I think he’d be a
fool to dismiss Clark, the TE coach).I only lament that the same
thing isn’t happening to the defensive staff. The offense was so bad this
year it was easy to overlook the fact that the defense was not remotely up to
par with Bronco Mendenhall defenses.
I certainly wish the man good luck but with the current talent level and
schedule for next year, dont plan on any miracles as far as winning games is
concerned.As for those who insist on criticizing Detmer without
recognizing the very poor play at QB, the vast amount of injursys and
suspensions, along with what BYU now says is a poor support staff for the
offense; you should consider yourselves ill informed and unable to give a
credible opinion. Just very bad form. One criticism that could be
discusses is if the Pro Style offense would work at BYU or if a spread type
hybrid offense is better for their type of talent. That is at least a good
topic to discuss.
@patriotThat's gotta be the worst interpretation of the 1996
Cotton Bowl team I've ever seen. Sarkisian was the last great QB at the Y,
yet somehow it was the running game that made them tick? If the passing game
looked easy it was because of Sarkisian. The running backs only flourished
because BYU could throw the ball. That is the only recipe that has ever worked
at BYU, and the only one that ever will. BYU will never get the size and speed
to compete with a running game. The passing game needs to be the catalyst;
Detmer had it right, just didn't have a QB to run it.
Eastcoastcougar, that may have been the most pessimistic, negative comment
you've ever made on a DN article. Think about that . . . You may also
consider giving him a chance.
ute fans ,What did you expect the Y to do as troy taylor was already taken
so we had to settle on Jeff Grimes ... Now that even makes me laugh !!
Gotta love fans of Last Chance U ... Like the ole saying states, "Haters are
gonna Hate" .....
Jeff has worked at the Y before on the O-line so he is a good fit. However, I
do hope that Jeff understands the only way for the Y to survive much longer is
to change to a physical ground and pound type offense with a QB that can
suppliment the run game by throwing down field. This would be very similar to
the 1996 cotton bowl team where BYU had Steve Sarkisian at QB but it was Ronnie
Jenkins and the other assortment of backs and physical O-line that really made
that team click. On that team -- the passing game was pretty simple and it was
because the run game was so good that this balanced offense clicked. BYU
doesn't have the talent anymore to run a wide open passing offense so
hopefully Jeff changes things toward a run first approach. I think Mangum would
be much better if he had less pressure on him as well and his playbook for
thowing was simplified.
For the cougie fans that like to spew about the word "angst", I
don't think you understand the meaning of that word. You sure seem to have
a lot of it! I just hope for your sakes Coach Grimes can bring your team up to
a competitive level again. This is not me having angst, just wishing you well.
I'm puzzled why many think Ty Detmer would want to stay at BYU as the QB
coach? I have been demoted before and staying around when that happens is
extremely hard. Also why would Grimes want someone who potentially undermine his
title? Last what makes you think Ty Detmer would be a great QB coach?
"Last fall, Grimes saw BYU’s offense firsthand when LSU blanked the
Cougars, 27-0. BYU’s offense never crossed the 50-yard line in that
game."That is a poorly worded sentence. I should read: Last
fall, Grimes saw BYU's lack of offense...I hope this helps the
poor Cougars but I will wait sitting down.
And just think, only one year from today utah will be firing their offensive
coordinator and looking to hire the 12th one in 13 years and all these same ute
"fans" will be crowing about how utah will use all that p5 money to hire
him away from BYU. I can't wait. lol
@ConradGurch - "his offense" huh? He was OL coach, not OC at LSU. Der
If coach Grimes wants to keep Cougar Nation happy, he should keep Ty as his QB
coach.The O-line did well. Keep the coach.Receivers coach? His
stable of thoroughbreds was on the injured reserve list most of the season.Too many times coaches get replace for things that are beyond their
If this is such a "big boy hire" why was his offense ranked 53rd over
all? By the way his passing offense was ranked 85th.
Although I still feel for Detmer and think he would have eventually turned
things around at the Y, I think this is an excellent hire. BYU got this one
right. Hiring Grimes with all his experience including that of the strongest
conference in the nation coupled with his national championship experience is a
much stronger hire than pulling an OC out of lower division football like our
good friends on the hill did. Grimes would have never gone to another non-power
5 school but did to BYU because of the tradition and potential other non-power 5
schools just don't have. Good luck Grimes.....let's lead the Y to
ANOTHER national title!!!!
"this is a big-boy hire - get used to it."Never designed a
play; never called a play; never substituted players during a game. Be afraid,
be very afraid.
Good comments, Joe. I have a couple more: Grimes has coached extensively in the
South East. That is South East, as in Southeastern Conference. He has recruited
there. This hire may open the doors to some really good players, LDS or not.Another good thing. A non-LDS guy coaching at BYU, with guys like
Williams and other non-LDS players in the pros. A guy who was hired based on his
experience rather than his closeness to the fold. A guy who knows what BYU
stands for and accepts that non-LDS can thrive there. I'm sorry
for Detmer, but lets get real. Game one, against Portland State, BYU could score
only two touchdowns. The Pro Set offense was dead on arrival. Will BYU keep
Detmer as QB coach? That will be left up to the new OC. As it should be.
Good hire. After over two decades as a position coach with additional duties,
it is time to be able to step up as a coordinator. And he is accepting the
challenge with foreknowledge of the issues at BYU on and off the field. I do
not think he would have taken the job if he did not believe that he has the
skills to be successful within the current BYU system.I am afraid,
however, that if he is successful, he will be gone from BYU is 3 - 4 years.Ty Detmer is still a football genius even if he was not ready for prime
time as an OC. Keep him as QB coach and in the booth during games. His ability
to rapidly recognize defenses would be a great asset to Grimes on the sideline.
"Sitake and Detmer are likable guys but I wonder if they weren't as
strict as they should have been. "Interesting comment. The
personality of a coach can sure make a difference. I've wondered the same
thing. Nebraska fired their coach. Everyone considered him a nice guy, but his
teams just don't win. Discipline is so critical in a game like football. I
too like his high standards of play.
I know that this hire will create angst with some of you, but tough, this is a
big-boy hire - get used to it.
Oh please Lil' Uties give us a rest with all the anger. Its not like
your year was so great that you can wander over here and complain about BYU
football.I don't know if Coach G will be the right fit - but I
do know the O-line is about to get a lot better. I do know that programs need
adjustments from year to year. And I remain hopeful - its what you do as a fan.
This is a process - kinda like the U's quest to win a PAC 12
championship - you know a work in progress. And here is a fun stat for PAC 12
folks - Utah and Colorado both have won less conference championships combined
than Idaho (who won one in 1927) and the same as Montana - who left the PAC
never winning one. So no worry - there is time for winning - for
This is a good hire for BYU. Jeff Freaking Grimes (JFG) as offensive
coordinator! He is an offensive genius and I've heard he has taught
several quarterbacks how to read defenses and throw a spiral. Good luck to JFG
and the BYU offense.
Awesome hire! 25 years of college experience in offenses. Not sure BYU could
find that much experience on any side of the ball. I've loved watching
Fournette and other RBs at LSU. Please, please stop running down the
middle all game when it doesn't work. Take that out and put in some sweeps
, tosses, and bootlegs and we could actually have a creative and fun offense
I love how some equate experience the Offensive Line at a D1/P5 program with
designing, implementing and running an Offense.That's like me
saying I've worked for a Fortune 100 company... so I can be the CTO of
Google.Or...I ran my family business I inherited (Casinos, Resorts,
Boxing, Beauty Pageants, Online Degrees) so I can be POTUS!!
And we didn't even think to ask the posters on these boards with their vast
knowledge of college football knowledge on what BYU should of done.
Unforgiveable. And to even let the Ute posters, post, with a new OC in the last
10 of 11 years is laughable. For me I'll see how it shakes out. I do
believe this is Kalani's hire so this is on him. Coach Grime's does
have a wealth of experience though a lot of it is limited on the OC end of it to
run calling. But nonetheless he's cut his teeth at a lot of relevant P5
schools. And unlike the little engine on the hill fans take....he's P5
material, non LDS, so what's he doing at an irrelevant school like BYU?
Maybe coaches view points from around the nation make BYU a little more relevant
than what some haters would have you believe.
It's pretty obvious that a Ty Detmer denial support group needs to be
created for those who are in denial about Detmer's qualifications as an OC.
Some of you really need to get a grip on reality. It takes a years, sometimes
decades, of college experience to become an OC at a high level. It takes much
more than Heisman trophies and other player accolades. Some of you just
haven't figured that out.Now, if you just can't climb out of
that dark hole and are still angry at Sitaki for doing what every other coach in
America would do - I'm sure the Crimson Club will gladly accept your
I wish Grimes the best of luck in his new position. It will be interesting to
see how 2018 season goes with him as the play caller. This may make some
recruits reconsider and it may not. But most the y's new recruits will
still take a 2 year hiatus from football and will return different men and
players, so there may not be a huge difference for a year or two or three.
I'm not on the team and don't know what practices were like but it
sounds like one thing this guy may bring is more discipline to the team, along
the lines of a Bronco. I'm not talking about the honor code but the daily
practices and workouts. Sitake and Detmer are likable guys but I wonder if they
weren't as strict as they should have been. I recall after they were hired
many athletes saying Sitake is a players coach. That may work better in the pros
but in college it can go both ways, and usually not for the better. At the same
time, we still have the same athletes, with which you can only do so much.
Are they going to let him keep the beard?
Another OC with no prior experience (being paid more than ever), with Zero
recruiting pull. Remind me again why BYU fired their only Heisman winner?I wish him success but outside of the contract, I feel sorry for the
FWIW, I still say Ty Detmer got treated like trash and fired before he could
prove himself or his vision.Unforgivable.
@ ekute - Layton, UT - Dec. 14, 2017 9:49 a.m. - "And now we will scour the
internet for compliments on this hire and publish daily reports on how "2
yards and a cloud of dust" is the best thing for BYU. If I were Arizona,
California, and Wisconsin I would be "scared, very scared". Go
Cougs!"I'll tell you what's scary, is you as a
(supposedly) Utah fan being on here commenting on EVERY single BYU article day
after day after day....Come to think of it, though, it's not
scary, just sad.We Cougar fans thank you personally for your undying
Love the hire and love the angst it has caused the haters of BYU. By the way,
to compare this hire to the hiring of Detmer is absurd. Detmer had zero, zip,
notta college experience at any level. This guy has a ton. Best of luck to him
and his family.
Well, at least he should be able to tell us how to cross the 50 yd line against
a team like LSU since his squad practiced all the time against LSU's
defense. I can only imagine him on the sidelines during that game earlier this
year watching our offense struggle to move the ball and thinking to himself what
in the world are they doing??? Might have been some mixed emotions for him,
happy that LSU was doing well but feeling kinda bad for BYU since he had coached
there previously.I hope he does well and is very successful for us.
I'm still worried that he isn't a proven OC at this level or even in
the FCS, so it's wait and see for me instead of waving the pom poms. Anae
was an O-line coach before coming to BYU and eventually he did well. But for a
while his nickname was "Robert Take-A-Knee Anae" and many fans were not
happy with much of his play calling. Maybe Grimes will be able to get some good
pointers from LSU's OC and other OC's he's coached under.
Looks like there's a new Sheriff's assistant in town.Be
No play calling experience. Not exciting. Better beg
Peterson to come on board.
Ty Detmer should have been given one more year. Brett Favre called him an
Offensive genius and would constantly ask his advice when they were teammates.
He just didn't have the players.
Hope he keeps Ty. I will keep my excitement to a low for the time being until I
see something on the field to get excited about. I am sure we will now
hear from our tolls up north what a bad pick up this is and some will toll how
this is great and DN will try to sell the new OC to build up excitement so
people will read their news. But like I said I will keep my excitement to
a low until I see something on the field and nothing anyone says will change my
mind. This time there needs to be some action to get excited about BYU football.
Great hire. I anticipate a simpler scheme executed with precision and discipline
- which is what works in college football.
So, from one guy with no experience as a college OC to another. Did I
misunderstand the reasoning for dumping Ty? I certainly have nothing against
Jeff Grimes and hope he does great, but right now I'm exceedingly unhappy
with Kalani for not sticking with the guy who lost four games the previous year
by a combined eight points to Utah, UCLA, West Virginia, and Boise State with
only one top-flight player (Jamaal); Taysom wasn't the superb runner he had
been that made up for his average passing skills, and the best receiver was Nick
Kurtz. If Kalani thinks it's OK to dump the OC that did rather well (with
no college experience) in his first year with that, I'm not sure I trust
his judgment regarding performance when the starting QB misses open receivers,
is off-target with the ones he does see, and is out or not fully healthy much of
the year, in addition to virtually no running game or receivers who can
consistently get open to begin the season, and myriad injuries plus suspensions.
What kind of results should we really have expected?By the way, our
defense was nothing to talk about last year either. With a better defense, that
team goes undefeated.
That exciting LSU offense that almost got everyone at LSU fired this year is
coming to townWhoop whoop
He better shave that face or face the HC.
And now we will scour the internet for compliments on this hire and publish
daily reports on how "2 yards and a cloud of dust" is the best thing for
BYU. If I were Arizona, California, and Wisconsin I would be "scared, very
scared". Go Cougs!
Did not see this Hire Coming...This is an absolutely outstanding hire ! An
offensive coach with tons of experience at the collegiate level much less a
coach from the best p5 conference in the nation as well as a coach from one of
the best Football teams in the nation year in and year out ! Great news for the
Y heading in the right direction ! Goooo Cougars !!
Although he anticipates those Saturday afternoons, this is not the SEC. I hope
he anticipates the Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night games as well. He did a great job at BYU previously. Best wishes for success as Coordinator
facing big challenges.
Great hire! Loved the guy when he was here the first time -- now, If he can
bring the LSU offensive staff, O-line and running backs with him, we'll
turn this thing around quickly!Go Cougs.
Well, good for him. But he must have a death wish (or be ridiculously
overly-optimistic) to take this role.It is unfixable at the Y til many
other things are addressed and successful remedies found.
2 yards and a cloud of dust. Whee!